We are all so proud of B, who along with some other amazing Bravo accounts were interviewed for an article in the LA Times. Sweet tea from Southern Charm on the new castmates filming next season. Tom and Katie from Vanderpump Rules are seen on her birthday having a friendly lunch. And Kim Zolciak Biermann’s house appears to be in pre-foreclosure, according to county records sent to us by a Cocktailer. Jacqueline, OG from NJ, is talking publicly on social media about Melissa Gorga. Lenny the Boob God has TWO girlfriends – who seem to know about each other. We’ve got some info on the second girlfriend. And last but not least, we crown all the Potomac ladies queens, as this last episode was one of the best hours of Housewives TV we’ve seen in a while. Fights, shocking revelations, resolutions, and oneliners, we love to see it.
TRANSCRIPT: Episode 37
B: [00:00:00] At the time that Melissa was saying this, Teresa was calling her a stripper. And remember that whole season, and Jacquelyn, who is a very honest person, actually called Teresa out for starting the stripper rumor, which is one of the reasons Teresa and her friendship really fell apart. Yeah. Because she said, this was all you are doing.
You knew these people. You told them you brought them on the show for this. And so Melissa was like, see, even your friend is saying this.
Welcome to Cocktails and Gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re gonna spill the tape. We chat reality tv, celebrity blinds, and the hottest tea from Bravo and Cocktails dot. And as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds
Amanda: ambi. And I’m Amanda.
Let’s get into this week’s team.[00:01:00]
B: What’s up, cocktailers?
Amanda: Hi. Cocktails. I have to tell you guys, and I think you’ll all feel the same way. Had a proud friend moment today because this week B, you were featured in an LA Times article about your Instagram account. .
B: It was so funny. Uh, first of all, um, when the LA times when the writer emailed me first, I was shocked.
I was like, oh my God, why do they wanna interview me? and when I posted it, someone’s like, oh my God, did they write a hit piece on you?
And thankfully it was not a hit piece. So it was myself and my friends over at Real Moms of Bravo and my friend Best of Bravo, and Queens of Bravo, who’s another big account and myself. And basically the writer is a Big Bravo fan and she wanted [00:02:00] to kind of tap into some of the accounts and basically it’s a piece on how social media and the fandom and Twitter and Instagram has like changed the landscape of Bravo and how they listened to the opinions of the followers and the fans and the accounts.
So, . It was so humbling cuz there’s so many great accounts they could have featured. I mean, Amanda, you’ve gotten to know a lot of, well you’ve always followed a lot of the accounts, but now with this, you’ve obviously gotten to know Larry. You’ve spoke with some of the other accounts I’m friends with and you’ll be meeting more of them as time goes and they come on the pod and there’s so many amazing accounts that, that they could have featured.
So I, I feel very honored that they chose Bravo and
Amanda: Cocktails. Yeah, I mean, I thought she did a really nice job. Uh, well, first of all, I loved, I forget who it was, I think it was the author who compared. the Bravo sphere [00:03:00] to the Marvel Universe, and how people follow it very closely want to know who’s coming in and out and like what’s, you know, like they wanna know spoilers and stuff.
But I was like, that’s actually a really, I think, great comparison, right? Because the fans are just as invested and just as interested in hearing about what’s going on behind the scenes. But I thought she did a really good job of kind of explaining how, how in the last few years there’s been this switch now where she didn’t say break the fourth wall, but she brings up the fact that on the shows they’ve started to show some of the fan accounts.
So I think they showed Queens of Bravo, one of their posts. They talked to you and how you showed the Louie video. And so I thought, I just thought they did a really good job of kind of explaining to somebody who. isn’t like us who’s paying attention to everything and who might not know about all of us and did so in [00:04:00] a way that really was interesting, had that kind of personal touch, you know, on you and on the other accounts.
So, totally. That was great.
B: So yeah, ev, Yvonne, the writer, reached out to me yesterday and she was like, b I just wanna give you a heads up tomorrow. The article’s gonna be published online and in print on Sunday. So then I’m laying in bed last night and I’m remembering because when you get on the phone with a writer, you know me very well, Amanda.
Now I’m not, by nature I’m in, I say what’s on my mind. I mean, yes, of course I filter things. I’m not, I’m not Ramona Singer, but I’m an open book. Especially it sounds, it sounds contradictory cuz I’m anonymous in the fact that I don’t say my name and I don’t say where I live, but I’m an open book as far as who I am as a person and that like, , you know my right, you don’t hold back.
Right? Like what I’m about and and what I think and what I feel. And [00:05:00] I said a lot of things that I was laying there going like, Ooh, if she says that, how is that gonna like come across? And I was so happy first she picked. And I think that, you know, the cocktailers know this. I started the account when my mom was sick.
I had time and we spoke about this o on the pod without my two young kids. And I was sitting in a waiting room like, I’m gonna make one of these accounts because I always followed all the Bravo memes and stuff. Right? And the other thing for me is that I grew up watching Days of Our Lives with Lisa Rena as Billy.
And I kind of stopped watching when I was like a teen and in my twenties cuz it just seemed like it was too fantasy based. And when the Housewives came out, I was in my late teens, right? I guess when OC came out and. for me, it filled that void of soap opera, but it was more my speed. And I really do liken it to our generation’s soap operas.
I mean, poor soap operas, old, but [00:06:00] died. Some of them are on like streaming networks, but I think that these sh reality housewives shows killed soap operas, . But
Amanda: you know, anyway, especially,
B: oh, go ahead. No, I was just gonna say the same way that my mom used to get soap Opera Digest, and I wouldn’t call it a book club, but her friends would come over and they’d sit around and they’d, my mom wasn’t a drinker, but they, you know, they’d have coffee, the ones that had wine.
We’d have wine and they would talk about the episodes and they would go through Reader’s Digest and be like, did you see what Peter Rele, he was the actor who played Bo, said about hope in real life. And it’s basically what you and I do every week. Mm-hmm. . So it’s like, it’s our version of soap operas. And for me, It’s my version of it, but it’s also a familiar, it’s familiar, and this week was actually three years since my mom passed.
So it was pretty incredible that I created this when she first was sick. And when the article [00:07:00] came out, I like really smiled to myself because I know how proud she would be to know that I took a hard time because my mother was a very get on with it kind of person, right? Mm-hmm. , she never raised us to wallow in it.
She never walled in her own circumstances when, you know, when her old mother passed and when other hardships she faced, she didn’t ignore them, she dealt with them. But she always pushed through and enjoyed life and I know that she would want me to do the same. And this account and this, the whole podcast and the website and all of that really was created out of, out of turning like that hard time into something that I could channel positively.
So it, it’s pretty incredible and I’m very, very grateful.
Amanda: Yeah. Well, I don’t think it’s a coincidence the timing that, that of that article coming out that it’s almost three years to the day. I think your mom is smiling down. But I think, you know, the other reason that you know, your account and I think some of [00:08:00] these others accounts is, is that you do have, you know, such a an honest perspective.
It’s, you know, a lot of it is like the funny, the me the talent you have for making memes and the talent, you know. But I love, uh, reading more and I wanna listen to Real Moms of Bravo. I wanna listen to their podcast and hear more about that. Cause the article talked about, you know, how they had a perspective on Candace from Potomac going through ivf.
And IVF is something that we have talked about here. Having, you know, both of us had, you know, multiple friends going through it and knowing what an awful, you know, an hard. hard experience. It is just on somebody’s body. And anyway, it was a great, it was a great article and it just, it honestly, I think it was nice to hear this reporter, you know, who we know is a fan, but to kind of explain what’s going on, and [00:09:00] I don’t wanna say the word legitimize it, because we know that, you know, we know from a lot of different things, but maybe to kind of lift the curtain on this world that we all really enjoy being in for other people.
You know what I mean? Absolutely. I
B: think it’s, I mean, social media has changed so many aspects of our lives and, you know, entertainment is no different. I mean, even the A-list celebs, you know, there’s accounts, our accounts are Bravo centric and reality TV centric, but we touch on. You know the big dogs too, like the A-list splits and all that.
When we get that, and certainly there’s other accounts like Doo and you know many others that fo more focus in on the A-listers and don’t think they’re not watching, you know what I’m saying? Like they’re watching those accounts. The Kardashians are clocking, who’s posting about them? I will never forget there was, and I mean the Kardashians after the Balenciaga that came, whatever.
But [00:10:00] when I was first starting out, I made a funny meme about Chris Jenner cuz one of their things dropped and I like did a meme about her like typing fast. It was whatever. It was like a, a gif. Chloe Kardashian commented and I remember like being like, oh my God, like Chloe Kardashian saw my freaking meme and you know, when you’re new.
That was awesome. That stuff is like so cool. You get used to it, but it’s very cool. There’s some people you never get used to. Like Dr. Nicole commented on something today and I was like, oh my God, I love her. .
Amanda: Oh my gosh. I need you to ask her where she got that blue hat that she was wearing a couple episodes when they were ago, when they were at the beach.
I I bet
B: you she got it at the, at the Boutique am Ma Soul. Oh, I bet you’re right. Because she shops there and, well, I think she kind of has a partnership with them and they have gorgeous hats. I have a hand painted hat. I’m gonna look next time I’m down I’ll look for you.
Amanda: Next time I’m in, I need, so I need a blue hat.
I really, or if [00:11:00] they have it in like, even in a different color. It is so cute. So cute. Well, congratulations. It’s, it was, it was a really exciting day when, when it came out I was on the Peloton, so my Peloton was not like the best , but I really enjoyed reading the article. . Okay. So great week for Southern Charm fans this week, and we know we have quite a few cocktailers who are into it.
So, Why don’t you start by like just telling us a little bit about what you’re hearing about the new people coming on.
B: So three new people, three new men all around 40 years old. One is a successful gay man, big personality. I have some names, but so full disclosure, and you guys know this about me, like some accounts, like my friend Larry is so good at remembering the names and put like, I’m fly by the seat of my pants, right?
So we’ll get to know who he [00:12:00] is. Then a Persian guy from Ohio who has lived in Charleston for over 10 years. Great edition. Friends with everyone on the cast, smart, witty, kind, but can definitely hold his own and throw some shade if he needs to. And then the third guy from dc and as luck would have it, Amanda, we have, um, Some of his, some of his acquaintances happened to me.
My followers . He doesn’t have the best reputation around town. He thinks he’s hot stuff again, this is, this is what was sent to me. I don’t know the guy from mm-hmm. , a can of paint. He thinks he’s hot stuff because he owns, so he bought these rental properties. He turned into Airbnbs called the Inn. This person claims there’s some question as to whether his businesses are legit.
Hmm. And I’m sure you saw the video I posted last night. It was a clip of Taylor in a bar with a guy and he kind of pats on the tush and Yes. Seemed flirty. That’s the guy. His name is Jart Thomas, or people call him JT [00:13:00] Follower. Said that while he was building the Inn, which is the Airbnbs, he lived in an Airstream.
Do you know what an Airstream is?
Amanda: Yeah. It says metal. . You don’t wanna call him a camper or a trailer because there’s like kind of a cult following specifically. Like do you remember a long time ago, like before he was married, Matthew McConaughey lived in like a silver camper? Yes. On the beach to Malibu.
That’s a narrow stream. Yes. Yeah. So I
B: googled it because I was picturing that, but I wasn’t a hundred percent sure. Okay. So that could be a whole podcast on itself because some of these things are very high tech, like sleep, eight people, like very luxurious inside. So he lived in one of those, I dunno if it was super high tech or if they have like more normal ones, but they’re all very nice and so.
You know the person that messaged me that knows him well, no. No, no. So there’s a couple people that messaged. So there’s someone in Charleston who messaged and I’m like, what’s the deal? Like they look flirty. They told me that [00:14:00] they know that Taylor had hooked up with one of J T’s friends, but they do think that something is brewing between JT and Taylor.
So they’re not like together, but clearly they’re may be a little flirt, hookup thing
Amanda: going on. The chemistry with those two is jumping off the screen. Like there is chemistry with those two. I mean, he smacks her kind of on the butt playfully, but like, they’re not like making out or anything, but there’s, you can just feel it.
So I got way more than friends vibes from that totally.
B: But they are in a bar and drinking. So it could also be that they’re both single attractive and buzzed, and it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re dating.
Amanda: I don’t know. I saw what I saw. I said what? I said I think there’s chemistry there.
B: We’ll see. I’m just ready for the Shep flip out when it happens.
Amanda: Oh, he’s not gonna handle this. Well, he isn’t. And you know what, Shep, I’m gonna tell you right now, don’t call [00:15:00] her out. Don’t say that she’s getting around. Don’t, don’t do that. Don’t go there. It’s, you know, like you had your chance with her, you could have locked her down and you didn’t. Yeah. So, and then who, why was the thing about the other guy that was gonna come on, but maybe now isn’t?
B: So, apparently there was some guy named Alec who, the picture, he looks like very handsome and people are saying Austin was jealous about a new, handsome guy joining the cast, and that he had a contract, but then suddenly production told him, forget it again. It seems a little off to me if you have a, maybe the contract wasn’t signed, maybe he hasn’t talks.
Maybe the guy is putting it out there that Austin was involved and really he wasn’t. Right. Because the thing is, I mean, we know Austen to be many things, but I feel like once somebody has that [00:16:00] reputation, they just, people will just pin everything on them. Mm-hmm. . And this same person told me that Austin text messaged TJ this week from Southern Hospitality and said, go ahead and use my name to move up.
You need me, don’t forget it.
I mean, I have no receipts, so I’m just repeating
Amanda: what was said. Mm-hmm. interesting. Yeah. Well, I wanna see who this Alec guy is and maybe, who knows, maybe they’ll bring him in partly through the season or, or what, but I’m happy to hear that there is. Somebody from the L G B T community coming on. Cause I feel like that has been something that we haven’t really seen on that show.
Right. So it’s good to see a little diversity coming in from that perspective. I think. And
B: shout out to Family Karma and Southern Hospitality who are both nominated for GLAD Reality television awards.
Amanda: Yes. Super [00:17:00] cool. That like just we were saying last week, like we’re seeing some stuff on Southern hospitality.
We really haven’t seen on other reality shows in terms of, you know, you know that whole story with Mikel getting upset when somebody else was like pushing the other guy to, you know, share his sexuality. Right. I just thought it was an interesting story, so. Okay. And then we know, so we know that, we know Venita is coming back.
We know Taylor, obviously we saw her shooting. we are hearing Olivia is back. Do we have any new girls or is it all dudes that are new? I’m sure there’s
B: gonna be some other women in the mix. Filming’s in full force. We’re seeing videos, we’re being sent pictures. But specifically, I, I can’t think. I may have, you know, like I said, until I see, until I know people, it’s all a blur.
I know people were annoyed cuz it’s all new. It’s three new guys. But I definitely think we’ll [00:18:00] be seeing more ladies and you know, Amanda, I do have something to share in regards to me and Austin.
Amanda: Oh, I, I actually don’t know the whole thing with this, but I know what you’re talking about. I want to hear the story.
I feel like we should say that for cocktail party bonus pod. Cuz I think it’s pretty juicy. Or at least I hope it’s juicy. It
B: is pretty juicy. Okay. Cocktails will really appreciate it. , .
Amanda: Sorry guys, but that I think is definitely one of those that we should. Should save for our, for our crew. Yes. Okay. And then in the last few days, I can’t remember what day it was, but it was Katie Maloney’s birthday, I think it was over the weekend.
And we saw a video that you posted of Tom and Katie out to eat at some restaurant. They were like very, they weren’t [00:19:00] trying to hide, they were, you know, towards the front of the restaurant. It looked like, it seemed like a pretty friendly vibe. Totally.
B: Do you remember when like J Lo and Paris Hilton would go to the Ivy and sit by the white fence and it would be in like US Weekly and People Magazine and it was totally that they wanted to be.
Amanda: Oh yeah. Because I have done a lot of work. I used to do, especially back in those days, I used to do more work in LA and you would walk by and the paparazzi would just be standing there kind of waiting to see who was gonna walk in. So 100%
B: totally reminded me of that. Like they wanted to be seen Katie.
Okay. So Katie came out and said, the vibes are off with Lala. So I went digging. Well, okay, so she said the vibes were off and then Lala recently, today, yesterday, whatever said in her podcast. Yeah. Apparently the vibes are off. I got these nasty messages from her. I mean, I forgot her birthday. It was Martin Luther King [00:20:00] Day.
I was busy. There’s more to the story. I did a little like outsourcing and what I learned was Katie was pissed because yes, Lala maintained a friendship with Sheena, but apparently like shared with Katie that like. , you know, she had mixed feelings about Sheena. She was, doesn’t have the highest opinion of her.
And then they were hanging out all the time. This is going back to November, right? So after Bravo con, right? Cuz we said they were hanging in Bravo con, they like shared a room, Katie and Lala. So they were tight and apparently Katie went to her and was like, what’s the story with you always every day being with Sheena and like, you’re the one who’s talking smack about her.
And Lala basically was like, I don’t know what you’re talking about, your drama. I’ve got bigger fish to fry, I’m busy girl, bye. And didn’t talk to her. Went on to hang out with Sheena every single day, which all us social media people know cuz we see it. [00:21:00] And then out of nowhere kind of messages or calls, Katie, like everything’s all good.
And we all know Katie Maloney don’t play that. , that’s the version that I heard. And based on what Lala said, Lala didn’t point any fingers at Katie. So it kind of seems like it’s legit. Right? Because if Lala had something to say about, she did say like, I’m busy with stuff if I forget your birthday, whatever.
So she’s trying to play it like she’s busy, and Katie’s like, no, no, no, no. You were being too faced about Sheena. Again, this is not like deep beef. I never really thought it was some big egregious thing.
Amanda: No, but I would, I just kind of trying to put myself in their shoes. I could see how Katie would be like, what the fuck?
Like, you know, Sheena, you’re pretty much encouraging Rochelle to hang, to make out with Tom. I mean, at least that’s what it seems like. And if not, even if you’re not encouraging it, you’re also not like saying, [00:22:00] you know, like you’re not shutting it down either, which. Right. Would not feel very good if you’re Katie.
Right, right. And like Rochelle’s gonna do what she’s gonna do. But if, if Sheena’s kind of sitting there shipping it, it’s like I would be annoyed with her too. So I get it. And then if Lala keeps hanging out Lash Sheena, then it makes it feel like she’s okay with it. With it too. So, and I, I get
B: it. I mean, they were together for so long and now we see them out to lunch on friendly terms.
Do we think there’s a reconciliation or has that completely, is that sailed? Like that’s done? I mean
Amanda: maybe they’re, maybe they’ve just realized they’re better off as friends. I know quite a few people who are on really great, very friendly terms with their exes. Especially, well, both people actually who have kids together and don’t, I don’t know, maybe it’s sad.
See,
B: I think with kids it makes the transition easier because you know, you’re [00:23:00] co-parenting so, over time. It can work itself into a friendship, but I think without the kids, I don’t know. I guess it was sort of amicable, but then it wasn’t when he was like making out with Raquel everywhere and telling her he wasn’t, and then her seeing pictures of it.
Amanda: Yeah. Well, I don’t know. I feel a little bit, I wonder too if Katie has been feeling kind of like the odd person out here, right? Because she still, you know, we know she still hangs out with Stassi, you know, Christina Kelly, and we know, and Christina. But we know that like Sheena and Lala have have all been hanging out and then you know, they’re going to the bar and they’re still hanging and they’re hanging out with Rochelle.
So I wonder if a little bit of it too, is Katie’s like, well, , you know, if she, assuming she wants to be [00:24:00] on Vanderpump and it’s continuing to film, I mean that there could be like a, I better make sh you know, preserve this friendship. Right. With Tom kind of. And not that I’m saying that she’s being manipulative necessarily, but you know, I think
B: not even filming, just the fact that they live and work cuz that’s their work in the same place and have so many mutuals, it’s not as easy to just cut it off.
Right,
Amanda: right, right. Exactly. Okay. What else do we have? Oh, Kim Zac Bierman. So we’ve been, people have been asking us for a while and something just popped up yesterday. So we got a couple different emails from a cocktail who has access to. Whatever that database is. So I don’t know if it’s a real estate database or if it’s like some sort of mortgage or financial one, but they sent [00:25:00] us documents with information.
So here’s what the email said. It said, I’ve been checking the county records for the past few months. It had been tagged auction since your LE first tip back in October, November. Today is the first time, January 17th in parentheses that I’ve seen it switch to pre foreclosure. Not sure if their friend with money backed out or what.
B: So we know we’ve, we’ve known something was fishy. It was very confusing. However, the documents clearly now state as of the 17th pre foreclosure and a source expects they’ll be out by March. You know, . Cocktailers also pointed out, because I blocked her back when I did all this because she was going on lives and I was nervous, she was gonna start reporting me and I get shut down again.
But that pictures that she’s posting in the house [00:26:00] are clearly not like taken in the last day or two or weeks Christmas time. She didn’t decorate for the holidays. I mean, inevitably these records are public. It’s gonna come out right and we’re gonna know when they move, cuz then they’re gonna have to move and however they spin it, we’ll know that it was foreclosure because the documents will show us that.
And will she ever come out and say it? She won’t. She’s gonna spin it. We do know that she was, she is having a cameo in Atlanta. She was seen filming. That is confirmed. So listen, let’s see how it plays out.
Amanda: Yeah, and you know the other thing too is, So that loan that kind of popped up, going to auction before, that was one of the minor loans, not the major.
I don’t know if this is the major loan or what, but this one is, so it’s a loan that the $880,000 loan that is in [00:27:00] foreclosure or pre foreclosure, our, our real estate expert would have to explain kind of what the difference is. But,
B: and once anyway, I feel like once this is all settled, maybe we can ha even have that person come on and explain it for us, because I’m sure they can do a better job than we can
Amanda: I know they can’t, they can do a better job than I can . Same. But yeah. So I mean, and who knows what this’ll turn into if she, so we know that she did that like short scene or whatever for Atlanta and we know that that’s how Vicky started back up. and then Vicky started filming more. So, you know, it might turn into her being, you know, back on Atlanta.
We’ll, see, I would like it.
B: I I have always tried her. I mean, she’s, she’s crazy, but
Amanda: I like her. I, yeah, I do too. And I, I really wanna, I cheer for their family. I love that she and Corey are so in love with [00:28:00] each other. I think that’s, that’s super cool. And like, I think he, the way that he came in and has been such a great stepfather to the older two girls and like totally great.
They, they have a lot of things going for them and so I know, you know, you and I are, but I bet the rest of the cocktailers too are all cheering for the best. So we are just talking about oc, which reminded me that Shannon the door or storms the door, I think as she’s going by now. So she and her boyfriend.
John broke up and immediately he was out at the Quiet Woman, which we have now seen to be a restaurant that a lot of filming takes place at that he brings a date there and we actually shared pictures on the membership site and I think on the regular site too. Yeah, I did. I know, definitely I
B: did end up sharing them [00:29:00] on the regular site too.
What a statement. I mean, wow. I mean, and you know, so apparently when she was on Jeff Lewis, she said that they broke up right after filming, which was like end of October, November, you know, that we had been getting information that he’s been on dating at since September. and that he’s a user. And then Vicki came out and said, and we compared him to Steve Lodge and then Vicki came out and was like, he’s just like Steve Lodge.
These men use us. She had some choice words for him, but going to the quiet woman, he wanted someone to send a photograph to Bravo accounts or to tabloids. He wanted that out there. And why? It seems very mean.
Amanda: It does. It seems very petty. It seems very clout. Chasy to me.
B: Totally. Totally. So like John, you’re done.
I’m not posting your picture. Again. We posted the picture cuz it was at the Quiet Woman and we thought you had just broken up. But now we realize you’ve been trolling [00:30:00] dating sites for months and we’re done.
Amanda: I, you know, I still, I’m still having a hard time like reconciling because I see Shannon so upset on Jeff Lewis’s show and like, she’s clearly going through heartbreak. But I know what the emails we’ve been getting for quite a while about, and you know, maybe it was all from him. Maybe he thought they had an arrangement and he has been the one that, you know, wanted out this whole time.
And, and she, but even Amanda
B: didn’t look at Vicky who was on the girls trip, crying her heart out, but then saying they hadn’t been sleeping together or with each other in 13 months other than talking on the phone and occasionally seeing each other. So there’s a level of delusion with both of them, because these are parallel stories.
I mean, listen, I’m not giving Steve Lodge or John, whatever the hell his name is, any credit, they’re scumbags, however, . [00:31:00] If a scumbags being a scumbag and you’re choosing to ignore it because he hasn’t officially said to you, we are done. I mean, at what point is that Your own, you know the o your own world that you’re living in.
You know what I’m saying? Yeah, yeah. To the point that he shows up at the quiet woman a couple of days after you’re crying on Jeff Lewis. Get the hell outta here. Like, what are they? They literally are stomping on them until they finally announced they’re broken up in both cases, publicly stomping on them.
I mean, Steve Lodge was engaged and getting married a couple of days after Vicki finally announced it, and Shannon was the next day he was at the Quiet Woman. It’s like,
Amanda: come on, gross. It grosses me out. So I don’t even know. Like, I don’t know if you even read this. So Teresa came out in an interview.
saying that when her youngest daughter graduates high school in like four years, she and Louie plan [00:32:00] to move to California. Do you think that she would try to do a show move as part of that? Like Beverly Hills or oc? I did.
B: I just actually pulled this a little while ago. I did see it. I said, I don’t see Beverly Hills at all.
I could see a world in which OC would work her and Tamara would probably go at it. I can actually see her being friends with Gina. You know, Gina’s like that, like Long Island kind of Jersey feel. Do I think she’s ever actually gonna move to California? Not really. I don’t ever see that happening. I think I don’t, he posted this really creepy video yesterday, a bunch of people sent to me in the kitchen and he’s like the, the camera’s right up in his face.
He’s beat red, his eyes are bulging. And he’s like, I just got home from work. Side note, where do you work? I thought you were fired from your own company. I just got home from work and I’m motivating you all in life. You build a family and going on and on and then he pans and you see Theresa Gia and G’s boyfriend sort [00:33:00] of look like they’re being held captive.
Be quite honest with you, . They’re like just staring. And this is my family and we built this family and this is my, my family. This is G’s boyfriend. . This is Gia and this is Hi honey. And she’s like, hi honey. Like even she was not into it. It was. Weird,
Amanda: weird. I gotta go back and look at that video. It’s in my story.
It’s super creepy. I kind of scolded past it just because I, he, the bulging eyes kind of freaked me out. But that reminds me so much of, like, these are my brothers . Mm-hmm. , his video. Mm-hmm. .
B: And he’s talking about becoming a better man and like, what did you do? Did you kill? Are you Jeffrey Dahmer? Like, what did you do that you have to become a better man and talk about it every time?
I can’t,
Amanda: maybe he just got, he just got out of the pit at the Warrior camp again. Like maybe they, he was in the bottom of the six foot pit and he did another warrior camp. He killed his way out here. The Mackin [00:34:00] is all pumped up. It sounds like it. I mean, who knows? I do wanna know where he’s saying that he’s working though.
I’m curious. I’m, I’ll have to go and deep diving, see if I can see anything. And then Jacqueline, this week, did you see that she has did been talking on social. I saw. Interesting. It’s very interesting to me. So she said like she’s kind of coming out against Melissa Gorge and saying, I think the words she used are like nasty and conniving.
And then she also said it’s right when Melissa started coming on the show coming around that Jacqueline’s friendship with Teresa change. And she’s questioning if Melissa had something to do with that. And Melissa is also taking that, Melissa’s taking Caroline’s side. .
B: Well, Melissa does seem to be forming an alliance with Caroline.
We’ve seen them at Bravo con taking pictures, commenting on each other’s photos. [00:35:00] I certainly think that she’s laying the groundwork so that if Caroline came back, that would be an alliance for her. Makes sense? Mm-hmm. . And then she says that Melissa told her negative things, which I think is true, but at the time that Melissa was saying this, Teresa was calling her a stripper, and remember that whole season, and Jacqueline, mm-hmm.
who is a very honest person, actually called Teresa out for starting the stripper rumor, which is one of the reasons Teresa and her friendship really fell apart. Yeah. Because she said, this was all you are doing. You knew these people. You told them, you brought them on the show for this. And so Melissa was like, see, even your friend is saying this.
Where I feel a little disconnect. And again, Jacqueline’s perspective and her experience certainly is her own. And I do think she’s an honest person. But I think that Melissa deciding to make up with Teresa had a lot to do with her [00:36:00] in-laws and her husband and just wanting there to be peace. She said as much.
Do I think that since they were on the same show, Melissa wanted it to go away? So Teresa would kind of just be normal with her on the show for sure. And I think that Jacqueline was kind of like, how dare you make up with her after I took, went against my friend and told you what she’s been doing to you behind your back, and then you just forgive her.
And Teresa never accepted Jacqueline back after. We know that she holds a grudge like you told Melissa what I was doing, even though I was doing it, and even though you were telling the truth, not that Teresa would ever admit that, but we know that, right? As viewers, right? I am never gonna let you back in the fold.
And I mean, she cut out Kathy and Rosie in the same way because they made a comment about her parents that she didn’t like. She never spoke to them again. She referred to them as cutting out the cancer. So Jacqueline never got past that. Melissa made up with Teresa, and Teresa didn’t wanna be friends with [00:37:00] Melissa, I mean with Jacqueline.
So then Jacqueline was kind of off the show, right? Because Teresa didn’t need her anymore. And the show very much became the Teresa Melissa Show. And that’s when they brought the twins on and that’s when they brought Amber Marky and she was just left in the dust, right? So I do believe that Jacque. From her seat.
I can see why she’s mad at Melissa, but I think from Melissa’s seat, it’s like, that’s my family. Yeah. She did fucked up things, but I chose to forgive her. And if she chooses not to forgive you, that’s between you and her, right? Yeah. So I also also think, listen, Jacqueline’s name comes up for these girls trips.
We know she lives in Vegas, but who knows? Money talks. God knows they could use the money. So maybe there’s a world within which she is back on the show and she’s teamed Teresa, and now they’re against Melissa. I don’t know. Yeah. People relocate for a lot less than television contract.
Amanda: Yeah. Well, I also don’t think it’s [00:38:00] a coincidence that sh we’re seeing her be more vocal on social media, more active talking about the kind of stuff when she kind of wouldn’t before.
Like to me that means like she’s opening the door for some sort of return, you know? Totally.
B: Yeah. We know that. Caroline does not talk to her brother. They had a falling out. Caroline feels that he took advantage of Chris and Alby with the Blackwater. Caroline still does talk to Jacqueline and Ashley.
Clearly, if she’s not speaking to her brother, I don’t think it’s a close relationship, but they are not on bad terms and Jacqueline clearly is speaking out positively about Caroline, which is nice to see. Yeah, so I dunno this, the Jersey stuff is always so messy, which is why we love it.
Amanda: I know. I can’t wait.
I’m so excited for it to come back on. Oh, okay. It’s gonna be so good. What day was it? Oh, I guess it was January [00:39:00] 11th because it was January 11th at 1111. Lars posts a picture and like goes public on Instagram with her boyfriend, Marcus , which we’ve been talking about, that they’re not just friends for for a a long time.
Shocker guys.
B: Yeah, come on. She knew she was gonna be exposed at the reunion. She’s been exposing people all season. You think that these girls aren’t gonna come on, you think Dr. Nicole and you think they’re not gonna say, oh yeah. And you’ve been with Marcus Jordan for over a year while we were filming last season.
And you say you’re friends, so she confirmed it. So we take it that email though. Yeah, east, east coast house.
Amanda: We got an email. I don’t have it. Some East coast housewife that it was a recently announced relationship that there is a rumored engagement. So yeah, it could be them. Totally could be them. I wonder if she’ll stay [00:40:00] on old league fans if they get engaged.
B: So I looked, now that I looked into him, like to see, he owns some store that has like 400,000 followers. I don’t know if it’s, I’m sure it’s like an online store. I don’t know a ma. I don’t know if they have like a storefront, a brick and motor mortar. Mm-hmm. . But I mean, he’s Michael Jordan’s son, so I’m sure whatever store he owned had good capital.
Good capital to start up. It’s not like he’s opening a joint with Mia.
Amanda: Oh my gosh. Oh, I wanted to tell you so, well, we talked about this a little bit on our call with the cocktail party crew this week, which was super fun. So Len. , I guess, has not just the mistress, the Katherine Zepa person, [00:41:00] but he has another girlfriend, I guess, and they’re like public publicly out. All three of ’em,
B: It makes me so sick to my stomach. I, I really,
Amanda: I just can’t, yeah. So I don’t, well, I can’t either, but I brought it up so I feel like I gotta share with the cocktail, the Cocktailers, so I won’t share her name, but according to what we have heard, there’s two girlfriends. They know about each other. I guess they go out publicly and they like, like each other as Instagram posts, which is very interesting.
But yeah, it’s the ca, cat Katrina, or Cat Catherine Zepa, and then this other girlfriend. . I looked a little bit into her, the, the other girlfriend that we haven’t been hearing much about and she is, quote unquote the founder of a boutique advertising, marketing and [00:42:00] PR agency. Oh, bullshit. Of course, she runs, immediately gets my attention.
Right. So you go to her website and on her website, what is she showing, like showing off her social media work? It’s all like pictures of like minor celebrities or influencers posing with like a bunch of like the, the shopping bags and like luxury goods for those like, you know, get more followers.
Giveaways, which I have heard pretty much, not all of them, but pretty much all of them are total scams. Totally. So that’s literally all that’s on her page. Is that on her ma on her like homepage? It’s all of that stuff, which just seems kind of suspicious to me cuz that’s not really. If she
B: had a successful business, she wouldn’t need to be in a throuple with a still married man who’s botching people’s breasts all around the south of Florida.
Amanda: I mean, [00:43:00] it’s just, it’s strange.
B: I can’t, and I don’t wanna keep cursing Amanda, but gimme a fucking break with this guy. I I What about when he, he’s demanding after he tells her to go fuck herself, he’s demanding chunky peanut butter, strawberries and bananas. Are you gonna go shopping soon? I would take that banana and you wanna know where I’d put it?
I think you’d know where I’d
Amanda: put it. Well, that’s, that’s exactly what Lisa said and like, I mean, it is so absurd. They’re all kind of laughing about it cuz it’s like, you’ve gotta be fucking kidding me. Like he is, he is. Even Amanda’s cursing. . I know. Well, I do do. I feel like I do more than you do. But anyway, you’re right.
Like let’s, let’s stop giving him any more air. Ugh. Okay. I think, I mean we have to talk about Potomac. I just like put me on the Emmy committee because I formally submit this latest episode for every award. It [00:44:00] was, I thought, like one of the best episodes of Housewives I remember seeing recently, which has been like, there’s been a lot of good, good Housewives TV because of Miami being like, you know, fire this, this whole season.
But for , I texted you. Cause I’m like, have you watched this? I’m like, where did this come from? So the ladies are at dinner the first night in Mexico and Cherise tells everyone at the table that Karen went to rehab in Miami and that her friends came down to Miami and busted her out of rehab to go partying.
Okay.
B: First of all, Robin and Gisele brought her on because they didn’t have the bowls. If this is true or if it’s not true, this is a narrative, whether it be true or not. If Karen did have a substance abuse problem and they outed her [00:45:00] like this at a dinner belligerently, that’s fucked up. I mean, yeah, I don’t know if she’s struggling with sobriety.
I clearly remember her getting drunk, I think it was last season on Fireball and like Yeah. Saying a lot of stuff that she later regretted. And then I remember Robin and Giselle being like, oh, see, she’s not letting herself drink. And she was blaming like a stomach ache. And then another time she was blaming antibiotics.
So like Right. I don’t. . I, I don’t like Cherise. I don’t think she has good intentions. I think that she’s bitter that she was cut and she’s tried to get back on since I don’t think she herself wants to bear her dirty laundry. And I think she shows up and calls everybody else out when get the hell outta here.
I, I just don’t like her and I love Karen and I don’t know, I, the only thing that I will say is that if this is true, you know, the grand Dame, if this is true, it, [00:46:00] it’s gonna come out okay. People are gonna start digging. So own it. Yeah. And share it. You know, that, that’s, that’s what I would say.
Amanda: But I feel like Karen’s behavior and like the reason she won’t say why she doesn’t like Cherise and then her say, no, we’re good.
We’re good. But then not really being good and then completely freaking out about. in my mind. I did not see Cherise say anything denigrating about her. Karen’s mother, I think she just brought up like, you know, I went to the funeral and then Karen literally flips out. But I feel like that was Karen trying to cause like a diversion away Totally from what Cherise was really trying to bring up at the table.
So I don’t know if it was a rehab thing or the boyfriend thing or both, but I see through you, Karen on that. And I agree like [00:47:00] she’s Karen I think sometimes is a little slower to own it. Mm-hmm. and you know, like no one’s perfect but we all see through. , we all see through that behavior. And then when she’s like, I don’t recall banging on the table.
I’m like, how do you not remember banging on the table when like the dish, all the dishes were clattering. Right?
B: I mean, I guess I have a double standard because I totally feel that if you’re on reality tv, we’re gonna dig and we’re gonna find out and we’re gonna talk about it. But for some reason, I feel bad when it comes to Karen.
And I think, and I said this about Fedra, about like respecting your elders. And I don’t know, there’s something about Karen to me that is like untouchable. Like, because I feel, I think, okay, I’m gonna say it like this. I feel that she delivers enough without it. Like she gives us enough without it. So unlike Robin, who does not give enough without digging into other people’s,
Amanda: you
B: got a Zoom call [00:48:00] from me?
No, . Oh, I got a Zoom call from my sister-in-law. Oh. I am recording. I didn’t know if it like interrupted
Amanda: the pod. Nope. You know, speaking of Robin, it is really strange to me and I think we know why. I think all of the other stuff that we’ve been hearing and then we hear on the preview, I mean like even the preview for next week was really good where she’s, they say we know about Juan’s blonde girlfriend because I do, I agree.
Robin’s been just not sharing much, like seeing the boys get fitted for the suit, like who cares? And then they’re talking about how they’re gonna find somewhere like in the Cape or whatever to do the wedding. And then she brings out like, we don’t even know as viewers that she, they changed their mind and they’re gonna, now they’re planning for Jamaica.
Like, or The Bahamas. I forget what [00:49:00] she said. Right. I don’t know. It’s. It’s weird that Robin, but I think we know why Robin’s being so cagey. Well,
B: I mean, we’re sitting at a dinner. Your husband is being sued and potentially losing employment because allegedly he was told that a player was being sexually abused by a co, another coach, not your husband.
And your and your husband didn’t do anything about it. And we’re gonna talk about a rehab stint that Karen May or may not have done a decade ago. . Okay. Like come on, you mean? And I’m sorry, this is the third year we’re, her storyline is her wedding the fourth year. Cuz we had the engagement, we had two seasons of, we had a covid, then we had a, oh, we’re thinking about it.
And now we have a, oh God, when are we gonna do enough? Enough?
Amanda: Yeah. I don’t care. We had the robin. I don’t care. Lazy season. , that was like a whole season. That was her storyline that she wouldn’t get outta
B: bed. It’s pretty fit for somebody who laid in [00:50:00] bed. I mean, usually your muscles and your tone go away.
Amanda: Yeah. I I, I just also, I’m sorry, but like, if you have kids, like, you just, you can’t lay in bed all the time. So I’m like, I just don’t, I never really believed that either. And I get,
B: things are complicated and I, I do know, and we said this on the pod at Bravo Con, Robin was like an angel. So I think it was Shannon when she didn’t have any security, she sent hers over.
And I do understand that it becomes your livelihood and you rely on it. And maybe you don’t wanna air all your dirty laundry, but yeah, there you are. So intent on airing everyone else’s. So it makes me not feel, sorry, I don’t see Karen airing, airing it, although she did respond when she was attacked, like your fake wedding.
And then Karen came out on social media and was like, I could
Amanda: have said a lot worse and I didn’t. Yeah. , well it looks like she’s gonna say worse next week. The, the whole lunch where they go off to the sonte and Candace and [00:51:00] Ashley are having like an actually productive, civilized conversation like that felt actually really satisfying to me.
What did you think? I
B: really want them to be friends. I think they have so much more in common than they do different and yeah, they’re similar ages and they’re both intelligent and strong and I wish they would let that happen and stop letting other people interfere with that cuz they’re both smart enough to know better.
But they both have hot tempers. I have to say. Canda. has done for me a 360. I really could never, could not stand her the last couple of seasons. I adore her now. I think she’s fantastic. I think it’s very unfair because it’s completely fabricated what’s being done about her marriage and her husband.
Mm-hmm. . So I think she’s having a great season.
Amanda: I totally agree. I think, you know, [00:52:00] she’s always had the one-liners, but I just didn’t, I just didn’t care for her. I think she’s matured a little bit too. I don’t, I don’t know what it is, but I agree. Like I see her differently. This this season and like share line, when she was talking about Jacqueline and Mia, when she’s like, you can’t take the, so you can take the hoe out of the strip club, but not the strip club out of the hoe.
And she’s like, it’s ho everywhere. Hos at the bank and at Walmart at the table with
B: me. . She’s had great, not today, Nick. She’s had great one-liners. She’s great. She’s tv. She really, you know, the end, we talk about the Mia and Wendy fight. I have to tell you the truth, I don’t like Mia . She’s in the charade, a charise bucket for me.
And then, you know, fans don’t really love Wendy. I, I like Wendy because I like, there’s, there’s times I don’t like Wendy. I think she can be a little bit petty because I think she gets very [00:53:00] defensive. . Right. But I like her family. I think her husband is so adorable. I think her kids are adorable. I like their relationship.
I like how she’s a, we saw her be such a good friend to Candace and I see, I love that she’s smart. I don’t care that she brags about her degrees. Like, and not to sound like, oh, whatever, but you know, if somebody has advanced degrees, it’s hard work and mm-hmm. , you know, they give up a lot to get them and I don’t see any, like, to me, doctor, be it medical, be it, you know, a professor.
I respect that. You know, there’s a reason why people get to call you doctor cuz you put in work that other people didn’t wanna be bothered to put in. Absolutely. So I, that doesn’t make me angry. I don’t know. I, I, I get it annoys. and I never really saw, I guess some people saw it as like her rubbing it in other people’s faces, which I don’t believe was initially her intention.
I think she went there when people went places [00:54:00] with her, but I don’t believe that was initially her intention.
Amanda: I don’t mind talking about the degrees. I just don’t like if you’re gonna be, you know, tearing other people down for not having them or implying that you’re smarter than them because you have them, you know, and it’s that kind of stuff.
I mean, the kind of talking down stuff that I don’t care for. in Wendy, and like, I wanna see Wendy stay on TV and do the political commentary and all of that stuff. I thought that stuff was so much more interesting than her saying like, I wanna start a candle line and I wanna start a restaurant. And like that kind of stuff.
Like, let’s see more of the, you know, her political commentator like career and that kind of stuff. I found so much more interesting than what I’ve found from her lately. Absolutely. [00:55:00] And then absolutely. Okay. Like, I agree with you with Mia, but do we, do we even care? I mean, I think we care about the Jacqueline and Mia fight because I think what was really happening, I’m so curious to get your thoughts, but I think, I think that Jacqueline is really hurt because she thought her friendship was stronger than with m, with Jacqueline, with Mia than what?
maybe it was or stronger. She thought it was stronger than Mia’s thirst to be on camera because Mia comes out and says like, you slept with multiple married men, which I’m guessing is probably true, and Jacqueline’s just reacting more of like she’s denying it. But I think what she’s upset about is that Mia went there and like brought it up on camera.
What do you think?
B: I think everything I need to know about Mia is summed up in it. I think that she has loyalty to no one, and I don’t [00:56:00] think that she’s a nice person. And I think Jacqueline was a really good friend to her, too good of a friend to her, and I hope that she really never goes back to being her friend.
And I hope that Mia’s gone next season. . Yeah. I just, I, I’m not a fan of hers. It’s, I hate to hate her. Like, you know, like Andy says, it’s fine if they still wanna watch you, but they don’t like you. , which I felt, right. I felt that way about many Housewives over the years. Vicky, I felt that way about Tamara at points.
I felt that way about Renna this season. I don’t even wanna watch Mia. I fast forward through the scenes of just her.
Amanda: Yeah, I, I feel the same way. I mean, I thought she was pretty interesting her first season, but now it just feels like she’ll do anything, like, anything to stay in the spotlight and her level of [00:57:00] pettiness about this Wendy fight and that she will not, you know, and she, I know she apologized in the last episode, but it, it still did not come off as anything genuine.
Like, I just, I’m so over this because I, like, I, she just doesn’t seem like she could admit she’s wrong.
B: I agree. Absolutely agree. I’m telling you. Well, I,
Amanda: how much so was that? That was a. That was a mid, was that a mid-season? No. Was that a
B: mid season? No, think Mexico is mid-season. Okay. I think that the, yeah, I think, and it looks like it gets really spicy.
So buckle up everybody And
Amanda: then, and then the next few weeks we’ve got
B: February under pump. I don’t know when I’m gonna sleep. we have Vanderpump. I
Amanda: didn’t tell you this. I started watching the Jersey Summer house. Ginny and Georgia. What? Okay, so I dunno how you, how did you, okay. I’m only like three episodes in cuz I’m watching this.
I’m like, how did be [00:58:00] benches so fast? So those episodes are like an hour a piece.
B: Amanda, I told you I neglected every responsibility I have. . It is good. Shout out to my cousin. I like it. Who faithfully listens to me every week. I love you. Aw, she, she doesn’t live, she moved when she got married, she moved a couple states away so we don’t get to see each other as often as we would like.
But she texts me today, she’s like, Oh my God, I’m, I just started Ginny, uh, Georgia. Ginny and Georgia. Georgia. Geor, Ginny and Georgia. Yeah. And it’s because like we just happened to be talking about it and she had just started it, so I was like, buckle up and she’s got two little ones. Her kids are younger, so Yeah, she’s got less freedom.
Amanda: I know. I am like to bingeing. You gotta, I’m into it. I just need to find
B: time where you live, you get a lot of snow. Take a snow day. And
Amanda: I, I could really, actually, I would be pretty happy to do that. Like I used to joke with friends [00:59:00] back in the day like that. We should just get a hotel room, like just for the bombs, sit on the bed, drink some wine, order room service, and just like watch our shows in quiet.
B: My husband has to, that’s what I mean. Sometimes travel for work. And when he calls me for the hotel room, I just am so jealous. He’ll be like, yeah, the meeting’s finished at five. I’m just gonna skip like the dinner. I’m just gonna order room service. I have a, I’m gonna get a bottle of wine. And I’m like, I hate you as both.
My kids are like, mom, mom, mom,
Amanda: It is like a really, actually, I do not travel for work to be traveling for business. Yes.
B: And unless somebody wants to give me some gig that involves traveling and nice hotels, because that’s what I need another job.
brother. Cocktailers, we love you. Thank you for tuning in. It’s [01:00:00] about to rev up because we got a lot of shows coming.
Amanda: Yeah. Here we go guys. Get ready. Get
B: ready. Thanks guys. Till next time.
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