106. We apologize; What (else) we’re watching tangent; We pledge allegiance to gossip; Our real opinion on Lala vs Katie

First, a genuine apology to Jen Armstrong, formerly of RHOC and to Jen Pedranti, currently on RHOC. We mixed up last names, and when we meant to refer to Jen Pedranti, we accidentally called her Jen Armstrong. No shade was meant. But just because we messed up Jen P’s name, doesn’t mean we’re not going to share the latest on her fiance’s involvement in the Ohtani theft/gambling scandal. @bravoandcocktails_ Instagram has been in the news – thanks to a pic we got from a Cocktailer that was then shared and credited to the B&C IG by TMZ – of Dorit and PK at dinner shortly after their separation announcement. We have a hot take on Jenn Fessler’s convo with Teresa. B’s question for Amanda – if *this one thing* changed about John Fuda, would we all have a different opinion about him? The VPR reunion aired, and we’ve got different opinions about the Lala vs. Katie convo. 

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What’s up cocktail errs and Amanda. Tybee Hedgecock tailors Okay, so I want to first start out just bought with an apology and this is not a sarcastic This is that like this is a heartfelt apology because we just messed up last week when we are talking about the Shohei Ohtani. Scandal and Ryan Boyajian. So nobody’s corrected me on if I said that right. We accidentally said his fiancee is Jen Armstrong. That was wrong. It’s Jen Padan t. So I literally, we just mixed it up. And I was like, Yeah, are literally the plastic surgeon right. Also had a husband named Ryan but went by Ryan College. Jen Armstrong, i Nobody anyone listening knows because you guys were all like, oh, no, you and Amanda said Armstrong, we apologize that it really came out like that morning and we were just like buzzing about it and just kind of went off like a train leaving the station with no destination. Not to OC like back to back Jen and Ryan like it’s it was it really truly was an honest mistake. We did not mean any shade by it. So I just wanted to we wanted to start there because we got actually quite a few emails and then things on Discord. I know you got a bunch of DMS. And it was it was just we just messed up. And we do that sometimes. But speaking of we might as well start there. Are there any updates on that situation? I mean, I definitely heard Tamra go really hard on him on the two T’s in a pod podcast this week. She said, quote, unquote, she was right about Brooks. And she’s right about this guy. I mean, yes, she did. So what their camp is putting out there is that it’s all good. She’s not worried. He’s not worried. I hear he’s really acting as if he has no role in this. It’s all going to go away. Now. Listen, there’s a lot out there.
So that just can’t be the case. But that’s their stance. Yeah. I mean, what are they supposed to say? We’re really concerned. I mean, that’s like an admission of guilt. If something bad I’m going away. Yeah, exactly. And again, just to clarify, there’s no question or any, like, there’s no allegations that Jen has any involvement about it. It’s just more of a question of if this guy is going to Vegas and admittedly gambling with millions of somebody else’s dollars and what’s really going on and why didn’t Jen question any of that? That’s really kind of, I think what we’re all wondering right now, and then, I think last week, we
I said that cameras. Were going to go back up. We did see on Instagram some pictures of the ladies in back in filming. So, and we also heard I heard Tamra say on two T’s in a, I would say kind of gleeful tone that she wasn’t the first person to bring this situation up on camera. Thank you for good timing because it production would have completely been shut down. And we told you guys last week that we knew it wasn’t they were still filming confessionals. So it was fairly easy to toss up a camera and have them all go to the what do they call it the patio? Whenever that outdoor restaurant is that Taylor owes a deck? Yeah, the back Hangout at because we couldn’t let this whole season go and not see or hear about this coming out. Right? Because we would have had her at the reunion saying all these are legal issues. I can’t discuss it. So at least now we’re gonna get Tamra wearing an FBI hat.
Which was briefly posted to I don’t know her and the other lady’s Instagram are slew screenshot it. And then Jen’s answer was taking a picture of herself wearing a trash hat. I mean, it’s Chad really just going to deny this all does she legitimately believe him when he says he’s innocent? It sounds like he believes his own story. And you know that we have. So we have Tamra who said something like I feel like I’m on Mob Wives. So then and so like this kind of ticked me off because Jen posts on her stories. I’m disgusted. My daughter didn’t go to school today. She asked me what a mob wife was full stop. Okay, Jen, you are on a reality show. You are engaged to this man whose name is involved in all of these things. This is not Tamar, and she’s all day today. Still posting the tamaraws a bully and listen is Tamra shining a spotlight on it? Yeah. You’re on a reality show. This is her livelihood. This is getting her clicks. How about some accountability? on your end?
Yeah, Jen is just displacing her. I don’t know, anger, feelings. I don’t know, whatever feelings she’s having. She’s just displacing it at Tamra because, you know, yes, Tamra is definitely kind of calling it out. But I don’t think Tamra is implying that Jen is doing anything illegal. I think she’s just calling out. Ryan and right his involvement. So I don’t know. I mean, that FBI hat. It’s like, it’s the best kind of shade. It’s great. You know, the thing is this, the thing is ultimately Gen podiatry if I’m saying that right, next gen. Armstrong has a responsibility to the slew of children she has, okay. And you put yourself on a reality show with a guy who you knew was shady. And you now have confirmed the fact that he’s involved in something? If not, I’m not saying he’s the ringleader. But his name is in the mix these this is legal. This is his name is in documents. He’s right. So where is your responsibility to not be involved with somebody like that? Yeah, no, I don’t know what thing about her ex husband, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say her ex husband isn’t thrilled by this. She lives in a home with this man who now has all these legal issues. And his children and her children are around this man. And they don’t have to be. It’s not their father. It’s not her husband. And that’s just like, I just feel like yeah, you could be mad at Tamra, but you could also recognize your part in being with somebody who has all this going on and as the bat like, she’s posting stories, how her daughter’s upset. Okay, if you care about your child’s feelings, then maybe don’t be with somebody who’s causing the upset. Well, and I mean, you think your daughter’s upset right now. Like imagine how traumatic it could be for your children when the FBI come and read your home.
Because you live with somebody who is directly involved and has admitted that they are directly involved with this type of case. So this is where it’s just like, girlfriend take a step back. Look at the bigger picture. Nobody’s saying break up with him. Just get a little space. i Hey, Matt, if while I get into sleep, Amanda unveils you
Yeah, okay, but where I’m getting pissed off is like you’re bringing your kids into it like, okay, hey, girl that you feel like my reality show was shouldn’t talk about it. And you’re worried about your daughter because of what they’re saying like, why don’t you worry about your kids? Because they’re around somebody who’s involved in this? Yes. Don’t live, don’t live with him get some space from him. Like I said, I’m not saying break up. You’re saying breakout. But like, I just this is me. And this is her children and like this could have a real effect on their day to day, especially if there is that, you know, a raid or that kind of thing. And we’ve seen this happen in housewives history. So it’s not like what I’m saying is just like so out there and would never happen. Right. Okay. So in other will say bravo and cocktails, news. Tamra on the same podcast mentions the picture that you had on the bottle on cocktails, Instagram, of terete, and PK having a dimly lit dinner together. Literally, I think the same night that the announcement. So I guess would this would have been last Thursday night right after the announcement went out. And then TMZ also use the picture on their show, which was really cool. When you guys send that to me. And Amanda, you and I have discussed this multiple times when Beverly Hills was on was, you know, airing and we were hearing that they were actually separated. And we were like, well, they’re obviously saving their separation to secure another season. Tada. And we saw Lisa Vanderpump. On Watch What Happens Live who said that, you know, she doesn’t speak to PK and to read. But they still have mutual friends. He has been living in a hotel for months, which again, was mentioned on Watch What Happens Live when Kyle and I forget who the other person was on with her. I think it was another Beverly Hills housewife. But in any event, like this is stuff that has just been out there. And you know, we’ve shared all sorts of receipts of people seeing him there and him even telling people they were separated. Yeah. So we also saw him TMZ posted that night, or I don’t know, the next night, whatever he filmed with Mauricio TMZ reported that PK stormed out,
you know, regardless of when PK and Arete separated, because it has been months, right. And maybe there was some back and forth, because Lisa indicated that she thought he had moved back home, but then was back in the hotel, we’re going to see the emotions that come with making this public when you’re a public figure, there are two young children involved. Certainly, you know, we have sympathy for them. And they always seemed and I know that divorce can change things and things can go from amicable to not quickly. But they always seem to have a really like nice friendship. And I hope that for the kids sake, because there are two little kids involved in this. Yeah. I mean, as somebody who’s been through this, I cannot imagine having to do it publicly, like any celebrity, right? Who like paparazzi are taking pictures, and there’s rumors going around. But then also on a television show that is documenting your life where you’re really I mean, you’re opening your opening up these questions to the public, you know, when you’re when you go on a reality show like that my heart really does go out to their children. And I agree with you, I really hope that, you know, they do what they’re saying they are doing on that statement, which is focusing on the kids and keeping it amicable. You also though this we posted a picture of Drea and Kyle talking and it looked like it was like they were being like they were filming. So my first thought last week was like and then kind of I’m gonna bring it up again. I do think the fact that both are like publicly now going through separations, do you think this will bring Kyle and jury closer together? I honestly think it depends a lot on the other women and like where they all fall.
So with Kathy filming as an example, Kathy and Kyle are in as good a place as they’ve ever been. I feel right. So I feel like Kyle is the sort of person who this isn’t a knock, okay, because I think that many people, myself included would feel this. Kyle is the sort of person who when she has somebody firmly beside her like when she had Teddy doesn’t need, like I don’t know if she’ll need to read. Yeah. Does that make sense? I think Erica is
is going to be a big piece of this puzzle. Because I think, Erica, would you agree that Erica sort of is mutual with both of them? Is she closer to one or the other? Do you think maybe Kyle, a little thing? Anybody writing for the REITs? Right. That’s my point. Right. So I think Erika is generally kind of gonna always be on Kyle’s side minus she might bring a thing in her or two up that annoys her. I don’t see her having that same deference for the wreath. And yeah, then so then let’s look at the remaining Garcelle certainly is I’m not going to say she’s going to be unkind to dirt, but she’s not writing for her.
Sutton is not inclined to ride for her and her friend, Jennifer Tilly is going to be there. So she has solid people, right, because now she’s got Garcelle and Jennifer Tilly. Right. So yeah, I do feel like juries walking into this walking a wire in many ways. I think what I think with the two of them is I think a lot of it depends on how much Kyle actually decides to share. Yeah, and I think if she decides to give a little bit more in terms of how she’s really doing, you know, and how things are really going and, you know, like she still would never, I don’t know, I could see there being some camaraderie. Definitely. It’s one of those things right. Like if somebody has something terrible happen to them, like their dog passes away. Other people who’ve had their dog passed away, will often reach out and be like I’m here for you. I know how hard it is right? And that is something that you really do see a lot with divorce and separation is women reaching out and helping each other through situations like that. So I would like to see that happen. I doubt it will turn into a we get to see everything kind of situation. I don’t I just don’t feel I feel like if Kyle doesn’t kind of reach out and be there for Dream she’s gonna look really bad. You sped up over here AT T Mobile get four 5g phones on us in four lines for $25 A line per month when you switch with eligible traders all on America’s largest 5g network.
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so I think sciatica Well, yeah, we’re forgetting Kyle’s really mad at a REIT for bringing up those text messages at the reunion. Yeah, and questioning her marriage on camera when she wasn’t ready to go there. And let’s not forget that door read at confessionals had a lot of opinions on her friendship with Morgan, where she sort of furthered our speculation that they were more than just friends. So into REITs. So first of all, I do think injuried stuff ends. I think she kind of said something that she everybody else was thinking when she was like, how’s your marriage and I think Kyle really lashed out at her when so many other people were thinking and in some cases, saying that I do think you could see it on its face as she was kind of seeing like wait a second. This
Friendship with Morgan might not just be a friendship, you could literally see her realize it on her face. And I feel like that was or what Amanda, if you’re my friend, you don’t do that on camera. If I’m Kyle, we know how Kyle is man, I don’t know if I, if one of my really close or somebody who I thought was a pretty close friend, who had always known to be straights started to show signs without telling me first that they were in a relationship with a woman, I might have a hard time keeping that to yourself. Well, not keeping it to myself, but more just if there’s a reaction on my face. Like if I see like a gesture or butt grab or whatever I would be, I would, I think have a hard time not visibly showing shock. But I So also what we have to remember is that a lot of the confessionals happened. Kyle didn’t know about them until it aired and then the texts happened at the reunion and all the while, you know, Damn straight Kyle knew that her and PK were separated during PK, and she didn’t out that. So that’s, uh, you betrayed me and I kept yours. That’s true. So I think that might be the sticking point with Kyle and I don’t blame her for that. Yeah. And I think that’s why Kyle was like, done with her because it’s like, you know what? I could have freaking out at you. And then we saw him Watch What Happens Live. When the season was Aaron. Kyle was like, oh, yeah, he is staying in a hotel. Isn’t he? Like because she was like, fuck this. I didn’t say this whole season. I covered it up and now you want to out me? Okay, here we go. Yeah, yeah, I think you’re right. It’ll be interesting. We’ll see.
We’ll see. I think Jennifer Tilly, I think it’d be a really fun addition. She seems a little quirky and I always love quirkiness. And I think she’s rich, rich, right? Because was her ex husband, the creator of South Park or Spongebob or something? Oh, I don’t know something. I could totally be wrong about what it is. I feel like it’s animated. All right, hold on. I’m gonna let them out. But yeah, she is divorced from a very wealthy person which so I kind of developer Sam Simon developer and producer of The Simpsons from 1984 until 1991. Okay, so I would Okay, would it what are the two I said I think you sound you are I South South Park and yeah, SpongeBob
but like The Simpsons is like real deal. Yeah, you develop the Simpsons, which is that does that still air like new episode? Yeah, still, since we’re kids, which is a long time ago. I know. I remember being and I’ve never watched it. Have you ever watched it? Since since I that’s one of those shows. Like I will sit down and watch it since always. And like South Park too. It’s always I think is this when you and your fiance don’t have the kids and you do an edible or just regular times? No, I mean, like so I will like watch it with my my kids on like, if it it pops out or whatever. We’ll totally watch it. No, what do we watch when we take an animal I can’t even think why are we watching lately? Oh, we’ve been watching Lutz with my Rudolph what I Oh funny. What is that on? It’s on one I have them all bat I believe are Amazon Prime. I think it’s Apple TV. Such a good show. Watch the first season it’s it’s like if Jeff Bezos, his ex wife, right? Who Mackenzie it’s it’s like based on like, what her life could be right? So like the you know, Maya Rudolph plays this bold Thai billionaire who’s I was married to a tech executive who then decides he that he wants to get divorced cheated on her I believe and then to jet was a cheat on his wife. Do we know I have no idea. Probably. I have no idea but like that she starts this like foundation and what she it’s just it’s a really really good show. I will highly recommend Okay, so good. When else I don’t know what else we’re watching like I feel like not much because of a smoothly I so I didn’t watch bridgerton second season because I watched the first season with the Duke did you watch it? Oh my god. I love I watched it like most of it Christmas Day when the first season came out. But did you watch the second season? Because I was so pissed. I and I was started. I mean, yes, I watched them all. Okay, so can I pick up third season? Or? Yes, I’ve as I read some of the books too, because you know, I’m a nerd like that. And this one is about a No. Is it Penelope or is that the actresses name? I can’t remember. But the girl who is well, I won’t say I won’t give it away. Do you know what I want to watch? We’re on a tangent but I want to say this. Did you read the book?
It ends with us the new Blake Lively movie, I believe the calling Hoover book because yes, you have. Yeah. And I’m trying to remember.
I feel like I want to read that book and then see that because I yeah, I know the book was so good. And I haven’t read it. Did you read 28 summers? No, it’s an a write that one down. You would like it. But then you’ll like also call me and curse me out because you’re going to be bowling, but it’s like happy sad kinda. But not.
I’m reading I don’t know, I’ve been on a sci fi coke lately. So I’ve been reading a sci fi. I’ve met a sci fi meta sci fi. I’m not an animated. I’m not a sci fi. Yeah, I don’t know. I need some more time to watch more television and in addition to moving Bravo. In addition to all the Bravo shows, yeah, but what’s it called? Is Coming help me live on. Okay, so do this wrap. So how long does it take to edit Amanda? I am imagining they’re probably going to announce I bet it’ll be fall foul play that I was like, yeah, a lot of I posted obviously when they wrapped because we know we’re all obsessed. And a lot of you guys were like, when and I’m like okay, well they just wrapped so edit full. Yeah, so where maybe I want to be in like comfy cozy clothes on my couch. Yeah, right. Why don’t you Why don’t you like that are coming back that people are excited about usually come out Thanksgiving weekend or around Christmas when they know people are going to have some some couch time. Yes. Make sense. And then I will definitely be watching House of the Dragon season two. I was a big game of thrones person never saw it.
It’s good. It’s good. The only thing like that that I ever liked was oh god Hunger Games. I read. I read the whole series. And then I watched the movies. I typically see but Hunger Games is reality based in a way. Like it’s not totally out there. Yeah, like you could picture that happening. It’s hard for me to watch something that’s so sci fi that like it’s impossible. I know what you mean. Alright. Yeah. And I think Game of Thrones. I just started watching because there was so much hype about it. And then like, I watched the first season. I couldn’t remember who everybody was because there’s so many characters and they all had beards. So then I was like, Well, I’m just gonna read the books and then I read all of the books.
So I really liked it. And it maybe I should start with the books because if I start with the books, then it usually hooks me. Yeah, and like it’s totally one of the things you can it doesn’t ruin one or the other to watch the show first and then read the book or read the book and then watch the show like because they’re both not exactly the same, but both really good. Okay, we’re doing all right, tangent obar guys to our usual Bravo bullshit. So sorry about that. We do go off on okay, what do we want to talk about Jersey jersey. Oh gosh, do we really want to
I’m going to tread lightly. I mean, you guys have closed off five people they pay plus the bots are a lot
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I am a huge Jersey fan always have been. I am a huge New York fan. I’m a huge Atlanta fan. I’m a huge retirement like, I love Bravo. Right. I don’t understand this obtuse way of thinking that because I have an opinion about a show. I go months with when Jersey isn’t on and I’m not being sent stuff. I’m still posting all day long. I still have five, public Bravo and cocktail posts, five private cocktail posts, the tea is still going. So when I see these things on Twitter, like trying to pigeonhole me into New Jersey, it’s laughable to me i It’s there’s no comparison. I am not a jury. And that’s not and that’s not it. Oh, limit people who focus on one show there are there are some great accounts who focus on Vanderpump Woolfolk, that’s cool. That’s not what we do. We are we sprinkle it all we are, I mean, overall, we are most invested in the gossip in general, right? Like, we’re invested in the people and we really our biggest allegiance is to what the good tea is. And that’s why like, there has been a lot of golf tea.
Okay, wait, I’m gonna just do a little tangent. I don’t want to speak on this until it comes out. For obvious reasons. If you’re on cocktail party, you know why, but my father in law called my husband and I came home today and my husband was like the, I told my father, you know, the whole scoop. And he was like, what? How? Like, because I don’t know, he doesn’t. For what he doesn’t watch Bravo. But he does watch a lot of doll. So my husband is like, no, like, this really transcends to golf. And he’s just like, I don’t understand any of it. I’ll believe it when I see it. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, it was the confidence, right? We pledge allegiance to gossip row more than we do to any certain show or any and like, Okay, that’s great. That says that we pledge allegiance to gossip. We pledge allegiance to gossip. Yes. Because we also trademark it don’t We don’t just pick a person that we’re like, like, we are only a Stan of this housewife or this person on summer house. We’re all over the place. Just having been with Carlin, Lindsay, this whole season, because that’s, I think just you and I are both like that, where we see we see things in and people and our opinions change and just show you that these people are on a loop because if they listen to our podcasts, they would know that just last week, I said that I thought Jersey went full on toxic when Marge outed Jen, Bill Aiden’s affair. I mean, I said that. So if I stand for March, and I’m being paid by March, I don’t think I’d be allowed to say that. But you know what I’m saying? And that’s how I feel. I feel like Jersey always had these silly storylines. But that one was actually true. Yeah. And she knew it was true. And I’ll give Jen 18 credit where credit’s due. She didn’t have to admit it right on the spot. And she did. And you know what? That makes a good housewife. And I don’t have to personally like somebody to recognize that that makes a good housewife. True. That’s true. Yeah, a lot of these other things have been true and they’ve denied it and they’ve skirted it. And they’ve continued to deny it. Like Teresa is still denies that juicy Joe cheated on her. Like we know he did. We watched when she was in jail. There were pictures of him in the tabloids. Like, basically motorboating a woman at dinner. So like, Don’t tell me he wasn’t cheating. And he had that call where he sounded like the other woman said something very racy to him on the phone, you know, and then he called her is bitch wife. I mean, he glad to see you next Tuesday wife. Oh, no. Maybe he said bit. But another time he called No, I know he did. He did use the C word at some point. That’s true. i We say all that to say, Yeah, we call it how we see it. And if we don’t see it, how you see it. That’s fine. We’re just saying what we say well, and stick around guys, because next week, we might feel differently. Yes. That’s churton. Okay, so with Jen. So I think we’re just continuing to see Jen is taking the heat for so much of what we’re seeing happening off screen right sending the screeners sending the DMS to these accounts that they were either gifting or paying. I mean,
Teresa doesn’t seem to be taking as much heat for it even though we’re seeing you know, some stuff coming out about Teresa so I don’t know. Teresa’s a little bit. She’s somehow got some teflon in her blood because a lot of and I’m gonna tell you what it is stick to her. The thing about Teresa is She’s a great housewife.
Yeah, she really is. She’s interesting to watch whether you like her or dislike her. And contrary to popular belief, I always like to Risa. I may not agree with her, but there are a lot of things about her I like and this stuff I don’t like, I kind of just go, oh, well, that’s how she is there are some people like there are people in our real lives who can get away with things. Now. That’s true. I think the last couple of years, there’s been an influence around her that has sort of changed how she is in general. But yeah, yeah, we don’t we don’t even need to go there. Right. Okay. Let’s see, Every dog has its day, you know, and I’m saying, II and if at any point, I’m wrong, I’ll say it. I have no problem. I can say you know what, I was wrong. Louise a great guy. Yeah, I will be. I’ll be very happy to be able to say that. I haven’t seen anything that makes me want to say that yet. Yeah, I mean, we haven’t seen anything that shows it here on through LA LA, either, or this new company he’s promoting. But I digress. Go ahead.
All right, let’s get into what happens at this party. So what’s interesting, Danielle throws his party for asmin barely gets even like a couple of minutes of screen time to which I think is very much an A message from the show, like, you know, because of the stuff that she pulled last fall with this, whatever, like physical outbursts. And anyway, Jen Fessler talks to Teresa, she was like I thought it was kind of funny. At first she was like, Can I Can I have your pot pen to I think she said it to Jen Aidan. But they sit down and talk. And then if you guys will remember last week, Marge, she and Marge are sitting out by the pool, having salads and margin site, please do not. She’s like, please just don’t you know, I don’t care what you talk to trees about, but please don’t discuss me with Teresa. Well, she’s made a little more firm than that. She was like, No, absolutely not. I don’t want you mentioning me to her at all. Because they were trying to ice to reach out. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I also think too, if you’re, I think there was that I think to like I think March is kind of like I things went really far. And yeah, I really doesn’t want anything more. Right. And so but then Jen sits down with Theresa and does talk to Theresa about March like what are your thoughts on all that? So it seems like Fessler was intent on keeping with Theresa and she sits down with her. Teresa’s specifically asked about prior to I love how they say prior to New York, which we know means the reunion there was a meeting at Martha’s house. Is that the same as Fessler bringing up specific issues between margin Theresa I, you know, gray area right. But clearly margin Rachel are pissed that she’s over there. And the next day we see Fouda say, Yeah, you’re over there with her for hours. So like they were hanging out for a while. Obviously, we just see the Edit, which is their conversation. Yeah. If the plan was to iced Teresa out there watching Jen actively pursue a friendship with Teresa, and she’s staying at Rachel’s house. So my question becomes, did what production obviously so the ice out? Did they ask Jen Fesler to do this? Probably because we see Rachel go. I’m just confused because she wanted nothing to do with Theresa. Right? I mean, all these women are on this show with the hope of being a full time housewife with the hope of promoting their brand, right. Let’s not get it twisted. She’s very clearly shooting her shot. Whether production asked her to, or she saw an opening. Right? Yeah. I think she explained it well, because she was like, I like to research. She’s fun. She’s interesting. Maybe I’m being disloyal. But I like her. So it’s easier for her to explain it that way. Because there’s not a long history. She was on one season as a friend of nothing terrible happened between her and Teresa. But generally, we watched her say to Margaret, if that was if anyone ever did what Teresa did to you to my son or my child. I would never speak to them again. There comes the disloyalty, right. Well, I think maybe what Jenna is also trying to say is like, it’s not that deep for me. Yes. Right. She hasn’t done it to me yet. Right. So I don’t know. Like, I definitely think production probably got involved because I think if you think about it, you need a God to bring the cast together or you can’t build two parties, right? I mean, poor poor dolo has been on this tightrope for so many years now.
Alec she’s so share the bronze she she needs somebody else to be Switzerland with her. So because it’s it’s just been her and I think and I can see why production would do that too. Especially if, you know, Melissa says and Teresa aren’t really filming with each other and then we’ve got a three and a three situation you need the people who can bridge the gap and I’m gonna give my opinion I want to know what you think. Okay, I will first of all Jackie has a long and we’ve discussed this and I’m not going to beat a dead horse. Jackie has a long past with Theresa have reasons not to like her and a real real resale reasons real simple reasons her doing it makes zero sense. It’s very obvious and clear. She’s wanting to stay on the show Dassler while housewives fans still know that she’s doing it to stay relevant and get more screentime. With that said, bestsellers, funny and quirky. And like even the scene with her in March where she’s like, Yeah, you know what, I don’t want to thank you for getting me this little vibrator. Because normally I just use my electric toothbrush like, Oh, I was cool. I was like, surly. She doesn’t mean I have a toothbrush. And I was like, I mean, I looked at it and I’ll hold up neither way but I was like, Oh my God, no, like, yeah, that’s my toothbrush. Yeah. But I think first of all, I think she was telling the truth, but I also like she’s cool. She’s funny. Her husband has an easy way about the mother and the aunt with the twins. Like, she’s cool. I think she’d be a cool housewife. I think she’s showing herself to be a cool housewife. I really like her retail is man. After investing billions to light up our network. T Mobile is America’s largest 5g network. Plus right now you can switch keep your phone and we’ll pay it off up to $800 See how you can save on every plan versus Verizon and AT and T AT T mobile.com/across. America.
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with Jackie and again, if Jackie lived in my neighborhood and our kids were friends. I’d like Jackie I’d invite her over. But she’s not like an interesting fun housewife. In my opinion. This is my opinion. I don’t I always felt like and like what do you like Marge or dislike her? She’s good TV. She’s quick. She’s witty. I get why her and Fessler are friends. They’re They’re similar energies in a way. Yeah. In a way. March has a more biting. Yes. Wait. Well, we haven’t gotten to know faster yet. You forget that Marge wasn’t always like that. She got like that when Ziggy came for her. Yeah. And Daniel, I Fessler could bite back when it’s directed at her and somebody comes for her or her kid or her business. I think she could bite real good. Yeah. And yeah, because yeah, like John was John never did it for me. And not because I dislike her. But not everybody does it on a television show. I liked her just fine. I liked her husband just fine. I don’t find him particularly interesting either. And I don’t want to sound like I’m being mean. He’s handsome. Seems like a great dad. I don’t really care to see him on TV. I think because I really liked Jackie the first season. I thought she kind of was I would say it how it was she was a voice of reason. But now that I look back, I’m wondering if maybe it was I got pulled in
to a juxtaposition situation, because I so disliked Jen, Aiden in her first season, right? That I’m like, maybe that’s why I liked Jackie and like I actually have. I have, there’s been a lot of things of Jaden that I have liked more her first season. I just thought she was so obnoxious by talking about how much money she has, how many bathrooms she has, I just really very, very much disliked that it is defaults to that, and it is so obnoxious and cringy. But Jen’s interesting where we’ve seen more of her that is yes, that is interesting. It isn’t just like her bragging. Right? Yeah. But back to Jackie. Yeah, so I just see Fessler sticking around, because I think she’s good. I think she’s got it. There’s an eight factor. And she’s got it. And like, people, a lot of people are hating on the food is what’s your honest, Real Deal opinion on the food is because I haven’t I don’t think I’ve asked you that. I think I have no idea. I haven’t actually taken the time and I should to look into what he really got arrested for. A thought was really just two drugs. Yeah, I think it was probably more than if it was really just dealing pot. I mean, like, how else are we supposed to get pot back in the 90s?
I mean, you know, like, but sarees like, let’s say, North Jersey. I’m just saying. I’m just kidding. Obviously, it was illegal, but I don’t feel like that defines a person. I feel like he has gone in a little hearts on a lot of things, which I don’t love. I like Rachel fine. But his baby mother was pulled out of the woodwork prison half house. So I do feel he has reason to go. And I’m gonna say something else. Fouda kind of and Rachel kind of give me old school Jersey vibes because like, not not obviously not like, exactly like Judy che but like, kind of like, I can’t explain what I mean that like you spoke about my family like the man so vibe, the Judy che vibe, the Gorga vibe, like it’s there with them? I like Rachel, I think that in the same way that Melissa and Joe are a package deal. I feel like the food is our. And I don’t a lot of people are like the husbands are so involved. But Teresa and Louie involved the husband where food is concerned when they got in touch with his son’s mother. So Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah, now he’s involved.
I don’t know. I like
I like them. I think that because Rachel kind of plays it calmer.
It makes him more likable for me. Whereas I think a lot of the audience is seeing it as too much. But for me, I remember where it comes from. If he was just doing this because Theresa called Rachel stupid or like, you know what I’m saying? Then I would be like, Oh, God, this guy’s thirsty. But like, his son was abandoned by his birth mom, because she was an addict. So if they met as teenagers, which they did, and they had a son, which they did, and John Fouda was selling drugs at the time, which he was. And now 17 years later, he has completely turned his life around, has legitimate businesses, married a nice good mom, who, whether she fully at the least she adopted his side is raising his son as her own. To have somebody bring the baby mother into this and talk to her and have it on social. Yes, he went on a reality show all is to be expected. Gotcha. But he’s not allowed to have a reaction to that. No, I think he totally is. I just felt like it was kind of weird that he had come in Polly is sort of we’re not it. I was I just found that whole thing. Yeah, I think he’s a little aggressive. I think he’s, I think he put on successful businesses and he’s used to bossing people around, and I could see how that can turn people off. I always think I’m sorry, I’m drinking a glass of wine because it’s been a long week. So I’m gonna say something. And I want your honest reaction to what I say. Okay, if he was cuter would we all love him?
I said yes, i Are you here it’s like it. He looked like Apollo or Evan.
Yeah, would we would collectively as an audience, we all be slapping our leg like Oh, there he is. Right, because because it’s kind of sexy. Like he’s a tough guy and I kind of like it, but he’s that
Ah, you know, people ate it up. For years when Mauricio is like, Oh, I love my wife. I know I’m a little high. I know I make some jokes and Baba blah, blah, blah. people ate it up, because he’s also very good looking. So 100% I think, I don’t even think that’s, that’s a question and I do I really do like them. I think where my hesitation starts to get is I just don’t feel like we’re I Rachel is, like, I guess our own. She’s not that interest there. Yes, I will say that still. And you I have seen this in my personal life and like, not my personal life in real life, right? With just lots of situations. Sometimes there’s those people like, while they didn’t do anything to me, right. And then they see something, a person do a repeated behavior to other friends one at a time, but they’re like, oh, but they didn’t do anything to me. And then they seem outraged when that person eventually does that. similar or same behavior to them. Right. And that’s where I am like, I just feel if I were Marge, or if I were Rachel. And I saw Jen Fesler becoming friends with Teresa after you know, calling my son up at work, cuddling my baby. I mean, I would just be like, What the hell are you doing like this? But then hey, because they need the Alliance, which is why Jen Fesler was at marches party.
Right? And so she can wonder where she lands current day? Because if she was at barges party, are her and Theresa not in a good spot? Is she going to come to the reunion and get Theresa good? Or is she pulling? Is she getting away with pulling a dole out? There’s very, could be. I mean, she could she could pull it off, do you have to be pretty smart. And you have to have a lot of EQ to be to play Switzerland for so long, like Flores has.
And I think she has the capacity to do it. The difference with Dolores is
Dolores is playing between siblings that she has known from before. And she has always maintained she’s heard them both out. And for many years, she tried to bring them together. And so now she’s saying like, Okay, if you guys aren’t going to be together, then I’m still going to be good with both of you. It’s not she’s not a new person. She’s somebody from you know, she’s a friend from the neighborhood. They grew up, they all grew up together. It’s that dynamic is rare, right? And like I’ve said, She’s gotta be exhausted, like there are people in my life that I could never ask to choose between my brother and I. Do you know what I mean? And I’d have just, I’d have to just not deal with the person, which I think if they weren’t on the show, I think the jeweler was probably wouldn’t deal with either of them, because I don’t know how she would pick it. She’d keep it casual with both like they probably wouldn’t make independent plans. But if she was at an event, if she was at a party, and Melissa and Joe was there, were there. It’d be all good. She had a part like that kind of thing. She had a party with Teresa, it would be all good. But there are you know, when you’re raised as I was in a close knit family, right. And there’s the whole Italian vibe, which my mom was Italian so I get it. There are you call them like family friends, right? And there would be no, unless there was something egregious, which they both done egregious things. Like he’s better over here now AT T Mobile get four 5g phones on us in four lines for $25 A line per month when you switch with eligible trade ins all on America’s largest 5g network.
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It’s such a good point. And it’s actually such an interesting point of view coming from because I know how close you and your brother are. So that makes a lot of sense to me. Okay, we have Orleans as in to talk about jersey. Hey, what’s still let’s move on today. And I’d like everyone to notice how many times our opinions change just within this conversation.
See, like,
it’s so true, but that’s the thing like but to go and I don’t really do Twitter but I do go on and I get tagged and stuff. Because two seasons ago, I was sent the warrior video. Okay, I’m really happy I was sent it. Guess what? I went viral. So. But guys, like if if B got a video of what oh, boy, you’re doing that. Guess what I posted? Yeah, we
gossip. Yes to gossip. I didn’t say even Apollo who everybody knows.
B would run away with in a minute. No, I’m just kidding. Do you see me zoom in? I did.
And you still don’t see it. But even if you saw Apollo doing something wild, like you would still post it because of your or you pledge allegiance to gossip. We pledge really nice. Apollo’s 12 Pack, right?
I mean, I sort of also
you could pledge allegiance to one of the word DAG. That’s right.
We’re Excellent. I’m ready. Let’s talk about Vanderpump because, you know, we had this we had part one of three union.
We see Lala kind of trying to come for Katie, when she reveals that at one point, he confided in her that she was upset because Ariana got the Broadway gag. And Ariana never told Katie about it. And Katie was kind of freaking out about the sandwich shop about something about her and that she apparently talked some shit about Ariana. But then what Lala kind of brought up is like, Well, we had this conversation. But then on camera, you didn’t say a word. So here’s what Katie posted after this aired. So she says, I’m someone who’s suffered from imposter syndrome for as long as I have known myself, hence why I was apprehensive about opening the sandwich shop on my own. So when Ariana was going through not only a world of hurt, but also getting some amazing opportunities, that change a lot of things during a pivotal time. I was sensitive to what she was going through, but also very supportive. I was also dealing with immense insecurity about what I could take on and simply didn’t want to put that on her. I had an emotional response that didn’t feel appropriate, bringing to her front door. So I went to where I felt safe, or where I thought I was safe, until I could find the time to have the appropriate conversation to have with Ariana, which of course I did. And we have had plenty of sense to know me as to know I value trust, loyalty and integrity. I just have to say, this is now me just giving you an opinion on what she said. For her to come out and say I was very insecure about doing this by myself like that is I thought that was a very, very, very honest statement coming from Katy. And that’s a hard thing to admit 100% It’s so hard for me to put into words, because I think that it really comes down to and I’m going to put it into words. But if you don’t get what Katie’s saying you don’t get it right. You either get it or you don’t. There is a huge difference between having a frustration with a friend of yours and having a conversation with a mutual friend whom you trust and working through your feelings. There’s a huge difference between that and going on a show that you’re filming and making her a terrible person. Yes, she vented to Lala about her frustrations about Ariana, maybe in her venting. She said things that maybe she wouldn’t say to Ariana Okay. Lala is trying to equate that with her and Sheena quote unquote, hopping on the Tom train getting the sandable redemption arc doing what production wanted them to do. I think Lola not only betrayed Katie’s trust, but I think she tried to weaponize it against her and Katie’s like, listen, because they had the conversation. Katie’s like, I’m not bringing this up on TV like I was talking to you where
Friends, we’re off camera right now. I’m not going to do Ariana dirty like that and paint her in a poor light in public. You know Katie’s polarizing for a lot of people because she’s strong, strong minded because she’s outspoken and can come off as a bitch. But like Ariana said Katie’s never changed in the 11 years they’ve been friends. I don’t believe that Katie didn’t say it on camera, because she wanted the public to like her. I think that whatever her feelings were, they were things that she knew she would work through and work out with Ariana and public facing. She supported Ariana she supported her success. Like, I mean, I think I think he had every right to be frustrated with Ariana for not telling her that this Broadway thing could happen and real Ed take her physically away from LA when they are trying to open a physical location in NLA. I think she had every right to be frustrated. But at the same time, I couldn’t see with Ariana having literally so much going on that it was hard to Ito in and maybe Ariana had some impostor syndrome of her own where I was like, I don’t know if this is really even gonna happen. You know what I mean? So I thought KDA greatest Bumble was saying it’s a Lala. Yeah, well, I think I think they all felt what I think is like, I feel like they all thought they were gonna band together. Yes. As women and friends and Well, hi, Narayana and behind each other. Yeah, and I also think it’s okay if Katie and Lala both felt like the public rallied behind Ariana when she was done dirty but not behind Katie and not behind Lala, I think that’s okay. I think it’s okay for Lila and Katie to feel like well, it would have been nice for us to get some of this shine there. Like Katie said it very well, at the reunion. The public opinion. It’s like an objective conversation. Yes, I’m mad. I didn’t get that. But I’m not mad at Ariana. Right. So it’s okay. They felt that way. The difference becomes Lala felt that way and sort of took it out on Ariana with how she did the season. Whereas Katie felt that way. And confided in someone and supported Ariana Yeah. And I would say, and I hate to give Sheena any credit, but I’m gonna say this. In the case of Sheena, Sheena was legitimately a friend of Santa balls. Okay. Katie, we all know doesn’t like Sandoval never really did. Nor did Lala. So. Katie and Lala were both done dirty by their spouses. Whatever Randall was. Katie and Ariana both already didn’t like Sandoval. That should have been a safe place for Katie without having to put it on TV. And for people who are like, Oh, but then Vanderpump is boring. You’re allowed to have an emotion and a feeling without putting it on television. Katie and Ariana are friends 11 years. Their friendship survive the fact that Katie hated Sandoval. All right. They have a true friendship. Your fact that Ariana is okay with everything is because Ariana gets it. She understands where Katie’s frustrations were. She appreciates that you didn’t bring it to the to the show. Because it wasn’t about that it wasn’t about trying to make Katie didn’t feel as Lala felt that Ariana thought she was a god. No. You know, I mean, nobody. I don’t know that anybody thought that? I think that was lalalala topping off. Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, this is a situation I think about a lot when it comes to reality TV and something like this happens. Like how to the cast establish what is really truly private. And what’s fair game for the show? You I can’t, you can’t because that’s the beauty of these shows and the beauty of ensemble casts. And it’s why we need people like Sheena and Lala but people like you and I are hypocrites. And I’ll tell you why we want the exciting Vanderpump and then we want to after the fact point out how she Anna and Lala aren’t as good friends as Katy and Ariana
so true, but if everybody was Katy and Ariana, we wouldn’t have a good show, and we wouldn’t tune in. So they deserve all the money. They deserve all the things. But I’m never going to say I agree with them because I don’t because I wouldn’t in real life. Do that. Right. You’re out. Yeah. And that’s, that’s a group so it’s hypocritical. Yeah, for sure. I don’t know. I just feel like what it is. Is this a misery loves company kind of thing. Like why did Lala even bring it up? Because at that point, she saw that the tide was turning against her. And so it was a good opportunity to be like, it wasn’t just me. It was Katie. Yeah. And I’m the only one fucking up here. Yeah. Listen
Lola has evolved a lot. She really has. There’s still hope for her, like I do. I do like Lala and I do love her that she’s a good person. And I just sometimes feel like we’re watching her tread water.
100% And that’s what she was doing at the, at the finality parties, and she just wants so much to keep this going. She just wants so much to be able to. And listen, I people say like, oh, but she has two houses and this and this and this, but she lives she doesn’t live in the same reality as your regular person. Like, No, obviously she doesn’t need to make as much money to support her kids. But I get the fear. Right. You get the fear that of it going away. I mean, anybody can understand that. Yeah. So I don’t I don’t know. I can’t she’s Lala is a hard one for me. Because I see things that she does that I don’t like, I can’t help but love her though. Like I do. I do like her because I do think at Horse. She’s a good person. Yeah, her mom’s a good person. Like, you know, she’s good people. She’s just very much still figuring it out. And she’s got a lot of trauma from the Randall thing. And you can’t discount that. No, you can’t. And I wish we could just sit down with her and like a lunch and just like, what are you really thinking and like? How is all of this? You know, what’s really going on? Because I do feel like the treading water thing is exactly what’s going on and that she is really like, I think she can make up with that, guys. We should all be treading water right now. I think right? She said, right. And I really think that I think that with time and space, they can get to a good place. I really do think so because I just think it was her attempt to be like, wait, wait, it wasn’t just me.
Yeah, and Sheena because the thing is is like as much as Lala love. She knows she knows that like Sheena Sheena. So,
like she wanted to be like, no, no, but Katie, come on, Katie, come on. So I kind of see her point. But she’s missing the big picture, if that makes sense. Which is why like, I felt like Katie was pretty soft with her. Like, she was kind of like, girl. You know, this was a private conversation. Like, you know that I didn’t want to bring this up. I told you I didn’t want to bring this on TV. You tried to make me we had that you’re really going to do this now. That’s how it felt to me. Yeah, like Yeah, I said those things to you. And guess what? I’m going to have a conversation with Ariana we’re going to be okay, but like you just freakin air to be out for what? Right? You know. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think they’ll be okay, too. I think they can get there. So we love you guys. We’re in it. We got an Atlanta cast. We’ll get to that next week because we got some juice on those ladies. We got Potomac in full production. We got Beverly Hills in production. We got New York in production. We’re back baby. There’s a that’s making it in Manhattan show. Oh, vallei like at all there’s Yeah, get to a lot. But we we didn’t. There’s times we had our lovely tangents this week. And yeah, stay tuned because it’s because Amanda is moving so we haven’t had her like normal tangents with each other. So now we had to have him on here. Apologies.
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it’d be fun. It’s gonna be we’re gonna have a great time. We’re gonna eat a lot of Italian food. And obviously, you drank a lot of Italian Prosecco. I just ordered a shirt that says may contain Prosecco. That’s hilarious. And that is so be coated. I love it a good corny classic, graphic t where you guys we love you cocktail party. We are doing a zoom. In the next week and a half. We’ll announce the date and time soon. So keep an eye out for that. And thanks, everybody, for your support, by the way, because we know we just happen to have two weird sound weeks in a week in a row. It really had nothing to do with anything. I think one review said that it was because we are lazy, but you guys have been so supportive and so great. And we just wanted to say thank you for going out there and putting good reviews out hold of noxious but I’ve never been called lazy. Yeah, that’s what one reviewer said is that we are lazy. Like I don’t I don’t know that other than like if there was like a hamster wheel.
I could have been running on to keep the Wi Fi going, I would have done that. There was literally nothing that we could have done. So it’s all good. Listen, it’s all good. Yes. Anyway, thank you guys for your support. We’ll see you on the Zoom soon. Till next time. Bye
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