105. Breaking news; All roads lead to Bravo, VPR Finale

We’ve got two different sets of breaking news this week. We start out with the story about Ryan Boyajian, fiance to Jen Armstrong of the Real Housewives of Orange County. He has been named as an associate to the bookie in the gambling and theft case of Shohei Ohtani, the LA Dodger, and his interpreter, Ippei Mizuhara, who has been accused of stealing more than $16 million from Ohtani and wiring the money for his gambling to Ryan Boyajian. What did Tamra Judge say about this? You’ll hear it here. Jersey is leaving us feeling a little dirty, now that we know about what’s been going on behind the scenes (allegedly) with members of the RHONJ cast paying and giving gifts to fan accounts in return for the fan accounts trashing their cast rivals. Vanderpump Rules’ season finale felt a little like a series finale. But we know it’s not – the ratings are just too good to end the show. Did production give Sandoval a redemption arc? We have differing opinions. What should Lala do next? And, as we’re discussing a poll that B put up on @bravoandcocktails_ , we get some breaking news from Dorit and PK. 

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What’s up cocktail hours and Amanda? I’m so excited. We have so much school. There’s so much today guys. So I don’t know I’ve been dying to talk to you about Vanderpump which we will get to because I have so many thoughts on that. But I think we should start first with the something that’s becoming like a much bigger news story. Like I even heard it on like the load being talked about, actually this morning on the local radio. So I would like to point out that we knew this guy we had like so much intel about various like things not being on the up and up. And it’s what Amanda always says like when there’s smoke, there’s fire. Like if you’re an honest business person. There aren’t going to be like all of these things lingering around that don’t write legit multiple federal investigations, right like that. Yeah, right. Okay, so who we’re talking about right now is Jen Armstrong, who was new on OC last year. You’ll remember she was came on as a friend of Tamra she was a yoga studio owner. She was going through a divorce. And she was dating that guy, Ryan. Boy, as she said, I hope I’m saying that right. We had gotten a lot of intel that he was a scammer and kind of slimy if you’ll remember we did a little deep dive on the other federal investigation that he was I think an informant on to actually I’m trying to remember the details. I should have looked that up. But today’s been nuts Tamra had kept saying like he was, you know, inferring that he’s a cheater. So we had shared and cocktail, all of this kind of stuff. And then it comes out this week that Ryan who is now engaged to Jen, who is a current cast member of the OSI is involved in a I don’t even know what you call it. Scandal slash scheme, where I’m gonna try to say his name right. There is a LA Dodgers player called Shohei Otani, who is an amazing, amazing baseball player
and has I think he has like a contract for like 70 million maybe I don’t remember how much it is. Well, I think some of that is like endorsements, both Asia and here so I don’t know if the team pays him mad or like what? Yeah, tons and tons of money. I think I think his like salary alone I think is like 20. I don’t know. So he is Japanese. He has an interpreter, which is apparently quite typical with a lot of players that have their interpreter that’s like their trusted person who knows a lot of details about their, you know, like all their contracts and their banking and all that stuff, because they’re helping them navigate life in the US as a non English speaker. So the translators name is Meizu Harl, Ippei museo Hara, and it appears that pay. Ms. O’Hara had a really, really bad gambling problem and has been accused of stealing $16 million from Otani to feed essentially what is seen as this gambling addiction where Ryan comes in is Ms. Ohara had been sending wiring the money to Ryan Boyajian who it was that then in terms apparently giving all or some of that money to a bookie who was illegally placing bets you know who is running an illegal like bet placing situation and so we posted this in cocktail But Amanda if you can read this was explained very well by a lovely cocktail or who we cannot say who or what Yeah, affiliation she has. Yeah, but trusted source. Yeah. And I will also say like one of the big reasons that this was a really big deal is that Shohei Ohtani there was a lot of speculation that he was the one actually doing the gambling and that the translator was just placing the bets for him. And if you I’m sure you guys know this but if you are a professional sports player, you absolutely cannot bet I don’t know if you can bet it on any sports but you definitely can’t bet on the sport that you play which is what Pete Rose gotten to trouble for forever and ever and ever ago because then if you’re seem to be gambling on the sport you pay, people will question like, Did you throw game just so that you could make you know money for yourself? Okay, so it is seeing there people I think though, Otani has now been cleared that it really is just about it’s just the translator but here’s why a source set. My husband works for blank. There’s lots of theories about this scandal and at the end of the day, people are gonna think whatever they want. Otani is 100% of victim the FBI actually investigated and found no evidence of him being involved and that the interpreter sold the money. Of course, people are going to question how did he not know millions of dollars being transferred out? Otani is worth millions of dollars and the majority of his money actually comes from endorsements not just in the US but also in Japan. It wasn’t like he transferred a book some it was multiple payments, multiple large sums but small enough for him not to notice. Besides he trusted his interpreter with everything foreign players, especially young ones. 1,000% depend on their translators to help them with everything when they come to the US like finding a place to live negotiations just in case our agents so speak their language, helping them acquire travel documents and yes, even opening a bank account for them. This is actually very common, much more than you might think. Otani was has known his translator ePay since he first came to the US when he was like 21 or 22. And they developed a strong friendship. He depended on it pay for everything and trusted him to handle a lot of things for him like his finances. He was a kid away from his parents or any other adult he’s known so he heavily relied on his translator he was a pay was Otani, his translator, personal assistant and accountant. I didn’t move her I didn’t want to say I don’t want to say too much. But even before this all came out people in the organization were iffy about ePay he walked around acting entitled and made sure no one spoke to a tiny without him even though there are other Japanese speakers around who could have helped. It’s actually kind of sad how Ohtani found out. It was after their first game of the season that opened in Korea. They got word that a news article was coming out because you pay did an interview and ePay wanted to confess the team about his gambling addiction. So it says see
entitled Why would a translator demand to hold a team meeting? Right, great question. Another team Japanese translator had to tell Otani what was going on because the pay wasn’t accurately li translating what he was confessing to. He originally only confessed to Otani about having a gambling addiction but left out the fact that he was using Tommy’s money to pay it off made them wonder what else he incorrectly translated for Otani and there’s also their specific reasons why his contract was deferred. I won’t even go into that later. The reason last the reason they even titled honey the gambling ring is because they found his name when they subpoenaed Ryan Boy Yeah, Zions Bank Accounts. First. I feel so bad for Otani. How disappointing and upsetting to trust someone with your life. I’m sure he was incredibly generous in his salary that he paid his translator, interpreter and what a betrayal I mean his name is clear now but when this was all coming out, I was getting messages yesterday and I originally posted because as you guys know, I am not the girl in the sports world. I don’t know and I was very click Quick when it was all figured out to take that post down and share this Otani. His name is cleared it he was in the dark. I think initially people were like, Oh yeah, okay. You don’t notice $16 million missing. But it was explained when you have $70 million. And if he is his accountant and he is his everything he could have said I’m investing in this I’m investing in that we have a property here we like he’s trusted this man with his life. So it’s very possible and obviously it has been determined that he was not at all involved. He did not know that this gambling was going on. So besides the fact that this is obviously a huge story and a big deal in the sports world.
Involving Bravo, it’s just all roads. Amanda just lean back. We just recently we had one of you cocktail hours we’re at the Baha Mar in the Bahamas, which I gotta tell you that resort boy they they they keep the T flow and for us Bravo fans. We have we have juicy Joe there every weekend. We have Michael What the heck’s his name? Ashley’s husband for Darby, Darby. Oh, yeah, right. They are flirting with allegedly flirting with men in the bar. Long story short, we like Baha Mar, because they give us the T. The good news for us is that I did reach out to my source. And although we had heard that OC wrapped it did, it’s still in production. They’re still confessionals and stuff filming. So yes, we’re going to see tamaraws reaction. Yes, Jen is going to have to say so I’m sure she’ll try to weasel out and say something to the effect of, oh, I can’t speak on that. But do you think if for example, something like this big that breaks after they had wrapped filming? So we know that they’re still doing production rate? Are they allowed to like bring this up in the reunion? Because I don’t know if they’ve if I don’t think they filmed the reunion yet? Or do you think they’ll pick the cameras back up? Or like how do you think no, I so I think it’s still in production as what my source said. So like, main filming is concluded. So I don’t know. Are they just gonna ask the women in confessionals and get their thoughts on it? And then when we pick up next, or like at the reunion, flush it out more. And then when we pick cameras up for next season, discuss it right, assuming Jen doesn’t walk? Yeah. To me. She also gets invited for another season. While my favorite part about this whole thing is that you posted the story yesterday on the Bravo and cocktails, Instagram. Tamra judge commented on the post told you so.
Well, you know, it’s funny, she was just talking about him being a cheater. Who knows, maybe she didn’t mean with other women. Now, I’m kidding. Obviously. Listen, these things always come out. And I think that will always surprise me and it shouldn’t right because people who are capable of doing things like this, like Jen Shaw, like others will go and reality TV because they just think they’re invincible. They have some new brands right? Is the word huge? I mean, it’s gotta be a personality disorder. Right? There’s got to be a DSM classification. Yeah, over that. Yeah. But yeah, but it’s hubris, like they just have big bowls and they just, they’re like, I’ll never get caught and like you go on TV. I mean, his name already had as we discussed the top of the pot it already had. He’s already been had federal investigations and all sorts of stuff that I reposted yesterday and I will repost again after this is live so that if you guys missed it, you can read it. I’ll go back to and find the little the episode that we did the deep dive and then we can link that to Yeah, I mean, I don’t know if I’m
devil’s advocate, right? Which I this is not necessarily what I believe. But if I’m playing devil’s advocate, perhaps Ryan didn’t know that the funds were stolen. Okay. But the other side of that argument to me is that if there wasn’t something funky about the money, why would riot need to be the middleman for the wired money on behalf of the bookie so like something clearly stinks here? There was some speculation and when the article actually that was, I don’t and I would tell you guys if I remember where I read it, but that it had something to do with Ryan was also going and taking some of us wired money and then betting it in Las Vegas, something to do with a marker for the bookie, which again, is strange. So then it definitely sounds like Ryan’s a little bit more involved versus just like holding and, and sending over money. People online are also saying, you know, her money her ring was bought was stolen funds. I mean, I think that’s a little bit of a leap that we really don’t have any proof for by or there’ll be a forensic investigation. Yes. To determine all of that. Erica Jane, anyone? Yeah, exactly. So I’m sure you know, we will definitely be keeping an eye on this because I think I think it could end up being a lot, a lot, a lot bigger. OC is a town, much like Charleston, that we just have a lot of people who are cocktail errs, who live in the OSI and somebody else who’s closely connected to the OSI said, Ryan will is going to give up someone huge to get immunity. And they said it’s a very dark circle, and he will have to sleep with one eye open and that Jen should run. And I’m old enough to remember casino the moving,
which I like have a strong urge to rewatch. But these are like you’re talking about some bad people involved in all of this kind of stuff.
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you know, I want to say something, take it for what you will. Okay. I think that like Jen seems like a nice person Jen Armstrong. But I think that like it’s a really big character flaw and what we’re seeing on housewives. And I don’t know if it’s a broader issue, but there is a certain inclination for these women to turn a blind eye in favor of being with men who have money. And I think that I just don’t and I said this in regards to coach and in that case, they were married many years. Right. So he certainly should have had some idea but I just find it so hard to believe that I’m not saying that Jen had knowledge that it was purely illegal or that he was stealing from a famous baseball player but like on some level. You don’t know It’s shady. I mean, he
You’re Not You know, we posted about this last year about totally different fraudulent situations he had been in. And yeah, sure he can explain it away. You know, crooks always can but he was essentially now I’m remembering he was essentially part of a, like an organization that was essentially selling land and development that never came to be a dry Costa Rica or Dominica, I can’t remember where but somewhere like that, so it’s like all this shady stuff and you love this person so much. He’s so attractive. It’s I don’t know, it’s just, I think, unfortunately, when you place a premium on being with somebody, I don’t know maybe it’s a personality type. They like maybe they like that variant would you say would you call it? Hubris? Hubris? Like, I don’t know, I don’t know. I just I just advise women just know where the money’s really coming from. If they don’t have a typical nine to five then I guess no coming home at night and between you about what Karen said in a meeting
that’s when you should really be like why should always gotta be Karen for an hour because it usually as Karen Yeah, I don’t know. I just I guess what I’m saying is like it’s kind of hard for me to feel sorry for like the Erica Jane’s and the coach Shaz and the Jen Armstrong’s it’s like you were with the shady motherfucker Give me a break. At least in Erica situation. He was a lawyer, right? So that’s like, Yeah, and like for so many years, but like Coach Shaw, Jen Armstrong, where they go into work. What are they doing that they have all this money? Come on? Yeah, I’m on. Ryan’s at the gym working out three hours a day. He’s some brilliant guy. What is he? Mark Zuckerberg? Like, what is he? Jeff Bezos he has? And if that’s the case, where’s the Amazon? Where’s the Facebook? Where’s meta? How is this average intelligent man? Who dresses in Ed Hardy clothing? have all this money? Fine. You should on the back of this gene pockets. Like you expect me to believe that she didn’t suspect there was some illegal action going on. I’m not saying she knew the details, or she knew the extent but she knew something. And I am by that. You know, I think too. I think the dating pool is of people who can afford to live in EOC in like the nicer areas, right? Or even just in the OC in general, because it’s such an expensive place to live. I think that is a very small dating pool. Hence, Alexis and Johnny Jay. Right. And they’re like, of the people who are then, like, take that pool even smaller, right? By like, of the people who are decently attractive and not over the age of 70. Right. So Right. You know, I don’t know, I think there’s people who are willing to turn a blind eye because, you know, they want to have the lifestyle that they want to have. So okay, let’s talk jersey. I’m, like almost scared to even bring it up. It’s started out messy. I think that’s what we’re gonna be seeing. So we talked a little bit about this last week. We’ve posted on the site. There is a lot of scandal happening kind of off the screen right now a couple of weeks ago, there are a bunch of essentially fan accounts, but fan accounts that were tree huggers that really turned on her but especially turned on Jen Eden, they had been sharing information and screenshots saying that they were paid or gifted items, so that they would push narratives fed to them by Teresa’s attorney, Jim Leonard, Teresa, and Jen. They shared screenshots. There were meetings, there were phone calls with Teresa and Jen, all of this is being exposed. And then funny enough first episode, we immediately see Jen and Teresa in the car before they go to the party, discussing exactly what these Twitter accounts said that they were told to say regarding John Fouda. They spoke that his Jen’s like, oh, did you hear in the car to Teresa, that he that John Fouda likes to use purple double sided dildos. And also there was a claim that he was the biggest drug dealer in Bergen County, which is where they live. It’s just funny, right? Because right out of the gate, first episode, everything that Theresa Jen and the lawyer were accused of, we see okay, check, mate. So it’s fairly obvious. Also at the reunion, John said, You contacted my son’s mother in jail or halfway house wherever she was, her communicating with blogs got her or Twitter accounts or whatever, got her put back in jail. So Louie wanted to meet with him to deny that he contacted the baby mother but Teresa’s walking into the party screaming about talking to them about seeing it quote, unquote, on the internet. And what’s funny is when
I remember when Marge and the other women, two seasons ago brought up the warrior video. Right? That was something they saw on the internet. So I think that’s how Theresa and the lawyer and Louie got the idea. Because they always believed that Marge fed the video, I can tell you that isn’t true. I’ve said it a million times. I have no affiliation with Marge. I never have but of course, the tree stumps although I don’t even know if there are any tree stumps left because they turned on her. She doesn’t have Melissa feistier anymore because she turned on her too. So I think honestly, I think what’s happening is Jen’s taken all the heat, because I think they’re all turned out. They’ve all turned on Jen, but like I even listen to Carlos King, who has always been a Teresa person, you know, he used to produce her on the show, and he’s just calling out. Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen and I use his friend. Right. But I think that’s what’s happening with some of these is that, you know, and I listened to what I think I guess was the last episode of the podcast with her and Melissa, and Theresa says, like, Oh, my insurance been hacked. Oh, the show’s Instagram has been hacked. Oh, you know, and like that. Yeah, that’d be, that’s going to be her answer to all of this. So I think she’s hoping that she’s probably gonna still like, escape all the heat and that it’s all gonna go to Gen eight and she still acts like she doesn’t know why she went to jail. And there’s like, legal documentation showing why so of course, she’s gonna deny this she hasn’t taken accountability for anything she’s ever done in her entire life you spent over HERE AT T Mobile get four 5g phones on us in four lines for $25 A line per month when you switch with eligible trade ins all on America’s largest 5g network.
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What we hear is the entire reason why she went for food in the first place was to twofold right? First, she doesn’t want to engage her brother Melissa at all. Because at the reunion, she basically said yeah, you’re fired after this because I’m the star. Not in so many words. But she said she’d never have to see them again. And I’m so happy I never have to see you again. Or talk to you again. This what she said yeah. And then you have Louis who’s unhappy because Fudo wouldn’t shake his hand and accept his apology. So it’s so obvious, but I don’t know that the pulley of it all I okay. I just need to ask you this. And I’m just going to tell you the way that I’m feeling and cocktails, like don’t get mad. But I am just starting to feel really grossed out by this show. I now that I’m kind of knowing what I know. And like, I kind of feel like if we weren’t covering it for the website and for the pod.
I don’t know that I would want to continue to watch it because I’m like, okay, so we know there’s all of us orchestrating going on? Like, why are we even watching the show and it’s just starting to feel gross because like I am still like it brought back up these like, feelings of like horror of how our I mean Louis or Teresa or somebody in their camp is reaching out to John food as baby mama in prison. And they are calling marches son at work. It’s like, it feels like there’s no end to how low they will go and it’s I’m like I it’s just feeling really gross to me. Okay, and I totally get that I can agree because for me, I’ll always watch New Jersey. It’s just that show that I would always watch. But I will say this and I have always felt this way. Now. I absolutely understand Marjorie’s point that Jen kept hitting her with your cheater
Your mother was a cheater I get it. But Marge brought that to the show. Jen didn’t out that. And I always got the feel of it that she outed bills affair. Of course, ultimately, it’s bills fold. Of course it’s Jen’s fault to go on to a show and but and God knows I’m not a tree stump or an Aiden fan. I do have to say though Oh, that’s so what am I talking about? Teresa also accused her sister in law of being a stripper way back in the day. So yeah, put Jersey has always had it like think about it. Remember before the internet they got Oh, God was it Penny and the club owner to say that resides in the club? Yeah, so yeah, but they’ve always had these like, outrageous, trashy storylines. But yeah, like reaching out to the families. Especially like, that’s the kid’s mother who abandoned him. That point of it is like really gross, but they’re gonna deny it. They’re gonna say we didn’t reach out. She just spoke to blogs. She just spoke to Twitter accounts, but the Twitter account she spoke to her saying they told us to do it. So obviously we have no reason. I don’t know. Obviously they did. Because why would Christie balls I listened to that poke podcast based on your reco. So her name is she added on with Melissa’s old nose who is one of the big accounts who has turned on Teresa and Jen and Gabriella. Her name is Gabriella. She says she’s got receipts for everything. It sounds like she’s going to be kind of slowly letting them out. As the season goes on to kind of match up with where the story is. Because she’s like, I have receipts for everything that will be Teresa’s quote, unquote storyline this season. And she’s like, of course, I’m not surprised that the first thing they brought up, is, you know this John Fouda. Thanks. She’s like we actually thought so I guess the baby mama got put back in prison, because she was abusing her communication. privileges. Like she wasn’t supposed to be on Twitter or whatever. And I think that is what made Melissa’s old. According to her. That’s why she turned because she felt guilty. Yeah, and I mean, I get it, right. Like there’s there’s actual real people and real damage involved in this stuff. We’re not just trying to self produce a television show here. Right, like, right. I don’t know. I and then I think this whole like Fouda and Polly fighting at the party. Things seemed a little overblown. I’m not saying I think it was stage but I just think it was at a level 51 It really could have been a level 12 Right. And like, I mean, Poland, Polly starts even saying like, shut the fuck up. Like, I couldn’t understand it. Why Polly? He doesn’t have a need to get involved. I mean, he could literally look at the camera or a dolo and say like, not my circus, not my monkeys and his cute little Irish accent and people would love him for it. So like, what? Why? Why? I mean, the only conclusion I can come to is that he wants to make a splash. He wants attention. They’d love him for it, but it wouldn’t give him as much camera time. I do wonder why he rides so hard for Louis when Delores is friends with everybody. It doesn’t make sense. Does Louis have something on him to that? Honestly, what I think this is completely my own speculation. I don’t think that Louis has necessarily threatened poorly with anything. What I do think is that poorly feels if in fact, there’s anything he doesn’t want out. And everybody’s got a couple of skeletons. He feels like you know what? Louie likes me if I’m nice to him, and I go to dinners with him and I stick up for him, but just say oh, but I’m not getting in the middle. But I see his point like, kind of help them out a little bit. He’ll never expose because, quote unquote, Bo deetle investigated everybody remember Louis said it out of his own mouth. So I think that perhaps pulley has something or some things. I’m just guessing I’m not saying I know you guys right. Yeah, that and he knows that Fouda could find out Gorga could find out March could find out but they’re not going to out it if Paulie stays nice to them. And even if he goes a little bit not nice to them. They’re not going to probably not going to out it whereas Louis obviously will. Yeah, that’s what I think I got it right cocktail or brought something to my mind. They said to me, B I have to point out something that has crossed my mind and makes me feel like maybe poorly isn’t a stand up guy. Paul has been separated for 14 years. Could it be that Paul is not divorced because he’d have to pay support? I mean, they’ve never said it but I looked up his kids ages
and the youngest is 17. I’m guessing him and his ex have an agreement where he provides her with Buddy. But it also avoids him for having to give her a large settlement settlement alimony. Like he takes, obviously he does well, he takes care of her, but in an official divorce would have to split his assets more severely. And he doesn’t want to do that. So I don’t feel paying support is probably the issue because maybe they owe I don’t think it’s support. But I think yeah, maybe they own properties together. And that investment is right, I think we’re looking at a marina co he might, we might be looking at our Murray CO and Kyle situation where the wife would legally have a right to half of his business or hike Sutton share. Let’s remember how well Sutton did, she got a basketball team that she didn’t know she had. Exactly, and he doesn’t have the cash on hand to buy her out. And if he can’t buy her out, then if they got divorced, he would either have to sell part of his ownership to somebody else, or let her be a principal as a named owner in the business. And then he probably doesn’t want to share the ownership with somebody and profit and decision makes making rights with like his wife or with somebody else who comes in and buys part of it. Which is why I think that’s what’s really going on. Yes. So but if that’s something you want discussed on the show, of course not. And like, I mean, there’s, it’s very clear, there’s something we are going on, if you’re separated for 14 years, you profess your love for Dolores, and okay, so then what slight problem, here’s the thing. I and um, I don’t know if you do, but, and the couple of people I’m thinking of are older than me, they’re my parents generation, but I do know couples that split and didn’t legally get divorced, although they spent the rest of their lives separated, and they didn’t legally get divorced, for reasons like they owned properties and things like that. And they sort of handled it, whatever. So that is something people do or they don’t know. Yeah, but it’s definitely I don’t think it’s like a monthly thing like, oh, he doesn’t want to give her $5,000 a month. I think he’s perfectly generous. Because if not, then she would probably be like, No, we’re getting divorced, because you’re cheating. And I want the courts to make you you know what I’m saying? I think yeah, I don’t think it’s he doesn’t want her to have ownership. Like she probably likely paying more than he. Yeah, and then marriage for the kid then he would be paying for it in a divorce because the court orders for like child support and stuff are just not very significant. If you are a person of means they’re not nearly to what you probably are paying for your kid anyway. And I have to imagine that he keeps the wife ex his ex in a lifestyle that’s very comfortable. So she wants for nothing nice house, nice cars, a good amount of money for her to spend every month so she doesn’t squawk about not getting the business. Yeah, absolutely. And for some women, maybe she doesn’t want to be divorced if you know they’re not legally divorced. Even though it’s financial. It’s always like see, but he never divorced me. Like, you know, who knows?
I don’t know. I don’t know. Jen Fesler would love her to be my bestie I feel like she would fit right in with my friend group. Love her or like, go out for lunch with you and me and would be so fun. So fun, great energy. She’s funny. She’s real. She says what she means. Whether you’re her friend or her foe, or whatever, she’s to the point. I enjoy her. I know that she kind of quote unquote, was neutral at the beginning of the season. It was interesting. She was at marches party because I thought there was more of a divide not the same divide with Jackie and Marge, which we’ll get to, but her being at marches party clearly shows that there’s, they’re okay. They may not be as tight but they are okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don’t know. I loved her birthday party. It looked like it looked like just a fun. Some of those parties look like an absolute drag like that whiskey launch party, which we’ll talk about later on. BPR. But that party, I was like, That is a pretty I would want to go to so interesting that Jackie and Melissa were talking about Jackie’s book, and Melissa is like, Oh, I got the book. Jackie is going to be on Melissa’s podcast. And then March is like all like pissy about it. And kind of comes after Jackie about not getting a copy and Jackie’s like well, I’m going to be on Melissa’s pod. And so then March is like so do I have to have you on my pod to get a copy. So as we do, we talked a little bit about this, but we know there are clearly some feelings around this book on merges part and what we heard and what I think our listeners know is that Marge felt like she had helped her get the book deal, and she wasn’t appropriately thanked by Jackie. I know that again. The toxic Twitter accounts was
Aren’t wanted us or want us to think that there’s some nefarious reason that Jackie switched sides but honestly I don’t at this point what I’m seeing and what I’ve heard I don’t think so I think that she was T Melissa and Marge. And then she got demoted Jackie, you sped up over here after investing billions to light up our network. T Mobile is America’s largest 5g network. Plus right now you can switch keep your phone and we’ll pay it off up to $800 See how you can save on every plan versus Verizon and AT and T AT T mobile.com/across. America.
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Teresa and Jen she saw them on an island by themselves as we saw them at the beginning of this episode. Because Danielle stopped writing for them we watched Nate runaway like I’m not getting involved with these people. And we know that Danielle very much like separated herself as a soldier which then turns into her and Jen fighting but that there was that were obviously going to see the lead up. I think Jackie looked at the situation and was like you know what if I go be friends with Teresa and Jen, I may have more screen time. In a perfect world. I might be full time. Do I definitely be like it would definitely get me more like, have a story too because now all of a sudden I’m changing sides. Yeah, do I think Marge was like it’s her or me? I think it’s possible. Yeah, I don’t I don’t think Marge would be fine being friends with her being friends with Teresa. March was very clear this season in other seasons even though she didn’t like Teresa. She pulled the whole like no, I’m going to try to make up March very clearly was trying to ice Teresa out first episode. She told Fesler Don’t mention my name to her. I’m not speaking to her harder. Melissa took a very strong set stance. They were icing them out by saying that she wouldn’t film or speak to her. So Jackie agreeing with production to film with Teresa gave Teresa what they needed right otherwise Jackie was Jackie was not slated to be a friend of So Jackie was out on her ass. Her filming with Teresa and Jen gave them an ally. And we have to know that Melissa this Jackie going to film with Teresa and Jen pissed off Melissa because she ruined the plan of icing her out. Now Melissa we know her personality. I’m sure Melissa played it much more cool, but make no mistake. She’s not happy with what Jackie did and there. I’m sure not in a good place. And Margaret I’m sure really went off on her and said yeah, you made this decision. Why didn’t we see her call her Jackie Judas? Yeah.
And every preview Oh, yeah. Yeah, Jackie Judas Goldschneider then yeah, I thought that was I think Mark just so funny. I do too. But Mark is so funny, but March is very clearly. Like you’re my friend or you’re my enemy when it comes to Jackie because with Teresa it’s not. It’s not like it’s Danielle Right? Or somebody that maybe had a disagreement with Marge. Teresa, Jen vers Margaret and Melissa they both were trying to get each other fired. None of them want to fill with each other. Come on Jackie flipping to that side was shocking to them. Right and very much a betrayal. Right Yeah, I think it is too. And I see right through it and like it makes me really question even tree stumps see right through it. Yeah, absolutely. And I understand it because if you’re independently wealthy, what the hell do you need to go out like that not even listen. I understand that show friendships sometimes on screen you look like your great friends and maybe behind closed doors when when Jackie got demoted and then wasn’t
Ask back. Maybe she felt like Melissa and Marge didn’t really support her but like, they’re not the producers they would have been happy for you to stay. They didn’t ask for you to leave. Like it just to the audience like everything we liked about Jackie. kind of seems like it was phony bullshit. Like I was rewatching the season where Marge push Danielle stobs husband in the pool. Yeah, like Jackie was very strong in her convictions like Teresa fat shamed people over the years. Jen like you all those things that Jackie disliked for years so much about Teresa and Jen, now she’s willing to overlook it. And she really sees what good people they are. Come on. Yeah, I’m with you. Okay, I really want to talk about Vanderpump because I’ve been dying to talk to you about it since I watched because I feel like there’s I thought it was maybe one of the best episodes I’ve ever seen of Anna Vanderpump. It was good. So do you feel it felt like a series finale and not a season finale? You know what everybody see. The thing is, I know it’s not a series finale, like I know. So I do get what they’re saying. The ending to me seems like they were very much trying to highlight how Ariana didn’t talk, like, didn’t do our job. It seemed like production was really pissed off at her for, for that edit at the end, like pulling up the old footage. Which old footage like like with like just scenes of them, like showing their real lives. And Lala has whole speech about we always show in the short time I didn’t show I get what people are saying though, because when they showed all of their baby faces, and then they showed them current day? Yes, it did seem like you’re watching growing pains and
cocktails here. And it was like they were tying up the whole series. So I get what people are saying, I kind of saw it like they broke the fourth wall. And they kind of showed what the premise of the show was and what made it good. Do you know what I’m saying? I think to like showing that like when they’re like just getting ready to be on camera for the first time. Right? It showed them as like young and vulnerable. Yes. And like, it’s like, oh my gosh, how this world has changed for all of them. Right? Almost a very meta kind of way to be like, Look at how much more pros are now being on screen and sharing their lives. Like I literally had to sit in silence for a couple of minutes. And just like think about it, because that ending it really made me very sad and very happy kind of at the end because like I actually I didn’t fall for what production was trying to do. I was happy for Ariana, it felt like a happy ending for her where she’s like, No, I drew my boundaries, and I’m adding to it. And we’ve discussed this at length. But there is no other world other than reality TV where someone would have to repeatedly be in social situations. So not I’m not talking about you have an x that you have to see at your kids sports. I’m saying social situations such as like the beach day and like small dinners and lunches and boats and things like that, where you would have to repeatedly be in social situations like that with your ex if you don’t want to be right. And so like I also I wanted to mention, I don’t know which version of the show you watch, but I watched the uncensored and extended edit, I saw the clips, I saw those clips that were added to that. So I don’t know, which is the difference like I don’t. So I wanted to just say that to you guys. In case like I say something that you guys didn’t see because like, I don’t actually know what was included in the peacock version and what was not included on the Bravo version. So just keep me on and here’s the thing. When Tom has that whole tailspin and he starts going on about you see she’s lazy. She shows up for a check. She doesn’t do her job. She did her job. She set her boundary. She discussed she engaged with every single cast member except to you. I think you and I disagree about this. But I very much think that production was trying to give Sandoval a redemption arc. I think that for some reason, they felt that for the show to continue for more seasons. It was the best course of action when Ariana stood firm and her boundaries. Did they think oh god, this is the nail on the coffin like she’s got to talk to him because you could see they really wanted her to talk to him like you have to. It seems that it seemed it seemed that way. Yeah, it seemed like when Lala was like going off and the producer had the suit was over there. It seemed like they were all over there talking about like, oh my god, I can’t believe Ariana isn’t just going to talk to him like we want him to like that’s clearly what they’re all over there talking about. And I think at some point production told Lala told Sheena like we
We need you to not 100% forgiven but but say that there’s hope and that you’re willing to move forward like lavas outburst she never even liked sandable
it explained Sheena being so conflicted, like she felt she couldn’t ditch Sandoval because it would be letting her job down. She didn’t say that but that’s what it was brought falls into this category. Even James softening up to Sandoval falls into this category. They were all made to believe that you got to let Sandoval back in. Because James would have been like, deuces, bro, because you see James in his confessionals. Jeans did the best job of softening up a little bit, but also calling them out. And also in the after show if you guys watch the after show I’m sure most of you do siding with Ariana. I think there’s a couple reasons for that. I think it’s because James and Ariana were never like so tight. So the expectation on her end wasn’t the same. But also James up until a couple episodes when he cursed them out and said like, Oh, your band’s embarrassing, like you know what I mean? So I don’t know. So I kind of going back and forth on whether I actually agree with you that production gave him a redemption arc because meaning Sandoval I feel like he continued to live like an asshole all through the season. You know, not willing to admit and be sorry for what he had done. And they showed that right and they showed that scene where he and Lisa were like yelling at each other like and nobody yells at Lisa like come on. Just
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So I feel like they kind of showed him for what he was at the beginning. And then they tried to get everybody to come around. And he was willing to apologize to Ariana and after he screamed at Sheena. He wanted to help her with her performance and it was like they let him they air them out to bring him back around. shine them up like a penny. And what about like typical cycle of abuse? Right? Like that is what happens when abusers abuse. They do whatever they do, like they scream when they like or whatever or worse, right? But then they come back in and say oh, you know, like then they show some sort of attention and love so that they can get back in the cycle again. And so I wonder if like what we’re seeing because if you’ll remember at the very very end of the show, you hear his voice Yeah. And like in a very diabolical kind of manner. Like this is actually really good for me and like There you go like their areas. Yeah, so I don’t know I don’t know if if they’re just more showing him for what he is and like i Okay, but they showed him say that after their redemption are failed. Oh, yeah. I don’t know. Now you have Lala and Sheena very much scrambling because I can tell you people went into this season loving Lala. And they are exiting this season not wanting her on either show Valley or like no use it out in poll. You saw that? Yeah, I’m gonna see where it’s at right now. I hate even opening this
app while we’re recording because I know many messages and then I get distracted like as an example Hailey Bieber’s pregnant. Oh, congrats. I’m excited. You’re not excited. No, I just don’t know if I believe it because I’ve been.
Oh, she did she posted. Yeah, yeah, because they’ve been not living. I heard they not been living in the same thing. Okay, so 29% of people want Lila to move to the valley. No more VPR for her. That’s the 42% want her on? No Show. 18% want her on? Both? 11% one her on VPR. So 42% want her gone? So she’s still more than half. want her on one of the shows. So that’s good. Yeah, I mean, I don’t think like that’s the weird thing to me about that whole like, and blast finale party thing. We’re productions kind of begin it seemed like Ariana is just walking out on the rest of the house. She’s not she’s just walking out. On Sandoval. It’s not like she’s like, okay, half of you guys are all of you guys come with me. And we’re all going to leave so nobody can film anymore. It’s just her leaving and her drawing her boundary and like she didn’t ruin the show. For everyone else. She’s even agreed to be in the same room and scenes with Tom and what she said about him. You know, he had every opportunity to speak to her in private to write her a letter to do any of that. And no, he wanted to do everything. He only wanted to do things on camera. And she’s like, that says everything to me, which I agree. And this is why like I really I just you know, you guys know I feel about Sheena. Amanda We have breaking news pro got breaking news. So
it was posted and deleted. But now it’s back up posted three minutes ago. And it reads, we are recording this by the way at four o’clock Eastern on Thursday the night. We as a couple have decided have been subject to a lot of speculation about our marriage. We have had our struggles over the last few years and continue to work them through as two people who love each other and share two amazing children together to safeguard our deep friendship and maintain a harmonious environment for our children. We have made the mutual and difficult decision to take some time apart and re evaluate our relationship while we prioritize our children. We appreciate your love and support while we continue to do the work necessary throughout this journey with love door wreath and PK. We guys I mean cocktail hours we posted that they were separated months ago. Oh my god, like they haven’t live on it heart. Yeah. So not shocking at all. Because they’re about to start filming. So. Okay, we see a treat. Yeah, yeah, I was just about to go on a rant about Sheena. But I mean, I’ll save it. I think I just see that she’s honest. She’s an opportunist. And she is or she is naive or unintelligent enough to realize that Sandoval doesn’t give a flying fuck about anybody. But himself. Who Sheena, Sheena. I just ate like, I think I don’t believe her at all bullshit that oh, I’ve been your friend and I loved you. I think she just wants to do what’s best for the show. And I think for whatever reason, her and Lala listen to production. And they went with it. I think that there Listen, on the one hand, on the one hand, what I will say is both of these women recognize how important this show is to their lives. Period. Yeah. And they don’t have the opportunities Ariana has. So they went with what production says, Now, I’m not them. I don’t have a $3 million mortgage that I can’t afford without the house. Right? Right. But Katie, of course has opportunity same like Sheena and are and Lala but she’s standing by her friend and what she believes is the right thing to do. I have been wanting to talk about her confessional because like when she said, you know, she was trying to be the exception to the boundary that Arianna has created of not wanting to have mutual friends with Tom. And then she’s like, then Katie says us and this is so true. Tom did not quote unquote make a mistake. He made choices every single day and now he has doubled down on those choices over and over again. It’s very simple. If your friends man cheats, then it’s clear. Fuck the guy and you stick to your friend. And if creating boundaries is what keeps your peace intact, then create those boundaries.
And I’m like, this is, again. Why I love Katie because she’s absolutely right. But not only that, she’s, she’s stuck to it. 100%. And, you know, the thing about it is, is we don’t have to agree or like what Sheena and Lala did. But what I hope what I hope Lala does right, is I hope Lala comes out on her pod. And if anybody DMS with her or whatever, give her this advice, because this is what I would say to her. Lala, go out on your pod. And I don’t know if she can say this, right? Because you don’t want to get in trouble with production and be like, You know what, I fucked up. I got so nervous that Ariana not cooperating would make our show and after this season, because production was in my ear saying that or leave that out. Just say you felt that way that I felt like even though guys you know, I never liked Sandoval. You guys know you guys know me. I just felt if I could get her to speak with him a little bit have a conversation. I didn’t expect her to forgive him because I don’t think anyone expected her to forgive him. I don’t know why the conversation was that important? Why? So she can read them out? You know, and I think Ariana explained it very well. I feel like he’s a narcissist and a manipulator and he has abused me and manipulated me. And what he wants is a reaction. So that’s why I’m gray rocking. I don’t want to give him the reaction. He doesn’t deserve it. Right now, like maybe Sheena. And Lola should just go and kind of say like, We fucked up. People fuck up. People make bad choices. Lala is a single mother. Sheena is the breadwinner in winter. They’re doing what they thought was in the best interest of their families, period, end of story. And I think everybody, even Ariana can relate to that. Yeah. And you know, accountability and apology goes a long way. If I had a friend who made a bad choice, let’s say was a friend at work, who made a bad business decision. And they came to me after the fact with their hat in their hand. Is that what people say? Hmm, yeah. And they were like, be I fucked up. I thought what I was doing was in the best interest of my family in the process of doing that. I turned my back on you. I regret it. I was wrong. And I’m sorry. Do you win the trust overnight? No, but I don’t think that either of them have done anything that’s unforgivable. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, I do. I’m just trying to think about, like, from Ariana is perspective, how she would feel because, you know, she was talking in that confessional about Sheena. And like, she essentially kind of says, like, you know, I can’t believe that she doesn’t see that held just do this shit to her again, you know, but she says it still in a loving way about Tino, which is why I think you’re right, right. I think I think you’re right. I don’t know. I think there’s a big part of Ariana, contrary to what people who say, Oh, she’s got a big head. Now with her opportunities. I think there’s a very big part of her that recognizes she’s a sensible person. I think she recognizes that she has been offered bigger opportunities. And she understands why they did what they did. And I think she’d be very willing to move forward and forgive. I really do. Because let’s face it, she was on Broadway. She’s had every partnership known to man, the woman has cleaned up. Okay, she’s got to recognize that Lila and Sheena are hardworking and hustlers. And they want all those things and that it really wasn’t about her. It was just about fear of losing their jobs, right? Yeah. So listen, if tomorrow you were given a podcast deal, and commercials and all these things that I wasn’t offered. Like, yeah, I’d be salty. And I’d be lying. If there if I were to say to you, yeah, of course. I’d be happy for you. But you also would understand like, obviously be you’re not going to not do it. But you would understand if I’m a little salty. No. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, good. Like I never see those happening. Oh,
it’s like an in this case it is very comparable, right? Because yeah, with friends. Like if my friend works in finance and gets a job as a partner, guys, like I knew anything about this. I’m just saying I can’t really like I can be totally happy for them. They work in a totally different field. It’s got but like, if me and Amanda do the same exact thing is these girls scuze me women do and one gets like you know what I’m saying like yeah, that’s why it’s very comparable. Me and Amanda, we have the podcast together. If tomorrow I got this insane offer. And like now, I’m saying to her like, oh, Amanda, I’m not going to be able to do the pod this week because I’m flying to Italy. And you know, I’m gonna I’m gonna do my podcasts from there. You know what I’m saying? Like, yo, okay, like, yeah, she’s happy for me, but also like, Wait, am I going to lose out on my podcast now? Yeah, no, I
i That’s why I think Ariana was saying what she said in still in a Laker loving way. Right? So, and I think you’re right that every single person knows what’s really going on here. I think except for maybe Tom Sandoval. I think Tom Sandoval thinks he’s smarter than everybody yells okay. I wanted to ask you though cuz I, based on what I was kind of reading on Discord, it sounds like maybe that whole scene with the weird stalker at this party and seeing of all the chair, was that it not in the Vert regular version on Bravo. It wasn’t okay. And a lot of people were asking and then there’s like this whole I think you’re gonna explain it, right? There’s this whole Reddit thing. And well, do you remember how last year we got pictures from that finale party, and we saw like pictures of like Tom with a chair in his arms, like kind of fighting this guy off. And then we heard that maybe this person was Billy Lee’s stalker. So on the peacock version, they showed the whole thing, it made this like huge kerfuffle because the guy was like, he was like, trying to encroach and like he was like trying to get in the VIP. He was trying to like dance up on all the girls. He was drinking he literally was like picking up their alcohol from their table and their individual drinks, not just the bottles, but their individual drinks and drinking them. They’re all like Get this guy out of here. Brock like kind of shoes them out, right and then we see two minutes later something goes going on that guy goes crazy. He like throws a drink he actually like breaks a bottle throws it Tom has this chair which Why did it do much data but I remember it from all the stuff that was circulating on the internet. Yeah, and like but when you see it on on Peacock, the security guy already had it in his like handle like he had the guy the bear hug and who knows maybe it was editing. So it’s like okay, Sandoval put the chair down like you’re not really saving anybody. So we got some T into the Senator’s tea inbox saying wait a second. Is there something else going on here? Because the crazy guy he was wearing us like kinda like gold jacket, not like box school jacket, but a different culture jacket. With like a Paul. It’s like, you know, like uniforms kind of have on their shoulders like army uniforms. Kind of. Yeah. Anyway, he was in pictures at night with Billy Lee T the person that Tom had dated. There’s Tom’s friend who we’d seen like when he had like the birthday party, and then at this party, he was the tall guy wearing that gold jumpsuit. The crazy guy was in a picture with Kyle Chan, too. And then the theory is did Sandoval or Kyle chan set that whole thing up? So Sanibel could come off as like coming to the rescue. I mean, I don’t know but do I see it as something that could be possible apps a fucking Loli that has sinned? Oh written all over it so either the guy was thirsty and looking for airtime? I’m kind of pissed he got it because when it wasn’t in the original like when it aired and you guys were all messaging me I was like oh, he wasn’t a cast member Good. I’m glad that didn’t give him the airtime I totally think it was Sandoval looking to be like yeah, he’s so pathetic. Oh, you see your Sandy we see you cocktail hours we love you breaking news. I mean it can’t be more breaking then I go into checkup Hall and we find out jury is well we knew we already knew kind Taylor’s new anyway, I just looked I posted in February but I’m pretty sure we posted before that but in February is where holidays I feel like is February was when we remember I told you that follow like PK wasn’t here is at pi n. Yeah. Yeah. We love you guys. Where are you happy our audio is back to normal.
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