Podcast 211: KJ and Dara? Timeline Lies; Bailey Laid Ben Out; Summer House Casting Tea

Breaking news: Did KJ and Dara break up last night? Here’s what we know. The Summer House Reunion came in hot and never stopped. B has a theory about who actually leaked that Amanda and West were hooking up. Why was Amanda’s reaction to West’s nude so strangely gleeful? We’ve got a theory about that too. As expected the timeline is a main point of conversation (and contention). We have to ask, why would anyone put out a joint statement about their romance when they haven’t been past third base? We’re not buying it. Bailey completely laid Ben out and it’s hard to argue with her points, especially after production shows the clips right after. We have casting updates for Season 11 of Summer House — but things are always a little fluid up until the last minute with this show, so we’ll see. And RHORI: Now we know why people say Liz is “scary.” And we are still team Kelsey even though she’s kind of stepping in it lately.

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“Amanda leaked the whole West hooking up. She’s the one who got stuff out there in whatever way she did. She wanted him to cut it off with all of his other side girls, and she knew all of these girls because she hung out with them.” — B

Hear more about:

• Amanda and West’s secret relationship — backlash for secretly hooking up while allegedly misleading friends and castmates about their timeline.
• West accused of seeing multiple women — questions over West allegedly juggling Amanda, Meija, Shailene, and Ciara at overlapping times.
• Amanda’s alleged betrayal of Ciara and Kyle — Ciara accusing her of acting smug and showing little remorse.
• Claims West manipulates women for clout — Lindsay and Ciara on West hiding his off-camera behavior.
• Timeline lies around Amanda and West — inconsistencies about when they first became physical.
• West’s leaked nude photo drama — suspicions it was used to distract from reunion backlash.
• Bailey calling out Ben’s double standards — targeting women while behaving differently around the men.
• Rosie affair rumors explode — claims of an affair with a married coach fuel speculation.

What's up, cocktailers? Hello, Amanda.

Hi, B. Hi, Cocktailers. Okay. Last night's Zoom was one for the book, so thank you to everyone who joined. I think it was a group therapy session, and then we actually had one of our cocktailers who was actually a therapist. Definitely, like I said, everybody's very passionate about this summer house reunion, and shout out to Dr. Jen.

I got so many DMs. Dr. Jen, people really appreciated you weighing in. She actually DM me after and was like, "I'm sorry if I took up your too much time. No, we all loved it. Please do join again and weigh in, because we need, we have our legal counsel on our Zooms, we now have a therapist, doctor, we have real estate professionals, we, and we need them all.

We have very smart cocktails. Last night we kept

going, "Oh my god, we're all so smart.

Okay, so I want to start out with some breaking news. Woke up this morning, rumors are flying that KJ and Dara from Summer House have broken up literally last night because they were at an event together yesterday evening. This morning we wake up and they're not following each other, or somebody blocked the other person. KJ has removed all pictures of Dara on his feed, and then, as of when I looked today at noon, so a few hours ago, Dara has not removed pictures of him from her feed, and KJ wrote a couple of vague things on threads. The first one said, I love you all, I love all of you, and then the second one said whelp, so based on what I'm seeing, it's not looking good. I'm really curious to hear if you're hearing more.

So, they were at Sierra's partnership with DSW. We saw Lindsay was there, Yvonne Major, who's on In the City, was there, Carl, who else, Bailey, Dara, KJ. I saw a comment floating around on threads that a fan wrote and said I messaged KJ, and he said that Dara had been getting a lot of hate, so that's why he deleted pictures, but that doesn't add up. I'm not saying that this fan is lying, maybe KJ just doesn't want to spill the beans, maybe they're working on a reconciliation already, but it doesn't add up, because why would they be blocked unfollowed, and the whelp message, and the I love you message. Yeah, just yesterday she reposted his interview with, I believe, Essence, and she wrote, "That's my man,

that's my man. People are

speculating maybe they were at the party together, there's a beautiful picture of them hugged up, people are speculating, maybe they had a fight after the party. I don't know, so I'm not going to add to that speculation, but it does appear that they had a fight. I'm hoping it will blow over on the reunion, which we're going to dive into, guys. We heard KJ speak about his diagnosis with borderline personality disorder. He shared that he was in treatment, and now he is in therapy, and he is medicated, so we are sending KJ our love on his mental health journey, sending Dara our love too. A bunch of you guys reached out to me after the reunion, and you shared that you either had or are currently in a relationship with someone with borderline personality disorders. Some of our cocktails have borderline personality disorders, and you shared how after diagnosis it is hard to navigate. I don't need to know that to know, and I'm sure it's a learning curve for both of them. And just sending them the best, I met them at the Vulture event, and they were lovely, and they seemed really happy together. And I do worry about KJ in this environment, because it is a volatile reality television. There's a lot of nonsense, we feed into the nonsense, we're not above it. I don't want to be a hypocrite, because I'm not, not all personalities, not all people. He's such a sweet, sensitive soul. I don't know, but so is Carl for

somebody who's tough, and it's a hard life for somebody who is emotionally and mentally healthy. So that is, that is the concern, is that it is a rough environment for somebody who is having some documented, or has had very recent documented mental struggles. And so, do

you know what the other thing is, too, which I think is interesting, and it's something I thought of today when I was thinking about it. Summer House is a, it's bigger than it's ever been because of the scandal, but it's even before the scandal. It's a big show, we're 10 seasons in, but when it started, when shows are new, let's say Southern Hospitality, they're smaller shows, the people aren't known, and they grow into it and learn on the way, which is easier, like you look at Lindsay, Kyle, Carl as an example, they've had seasons to get used to this, and as the show becomes bigger, they know more, they know how to deal with online rumors and all of these things. When you join a show that's already a train that's moving it full force, it has to be harder than, like I said, a brand new southern hospitality, right, that nobody's paying as much attention to it, so you're. Learning as you go, and then as it gets bigger, more. Whereas KJ hopped on a very powerfully moving train.

Yeah, Kyle and Lindsay and Amanda, because I actually just rewatched the first, very first episode ever. They grew up together, Carl. They grew up together, and they learned as their fame grew, and the show grew, how to handle this very, but you're exactly right. The train was moving at a very fast pace when KJ hopped on, and yeah, it changes the

dynamic for the new person joining. I think we saw that with, I think we saw that with Lexi, and Lexi was a model, and she was somewhat known. She had dated celebrities, but she herself was a model, but she wasn't like, as in the public eye, where we all knew her, and she kind of hopped on something, and Jesse was only on it for one season, but he was more established, and the show was established, and you saw it take over, and I don't think I don't know whether she was asked back or not, but I know that she really wasn't interested in coming back, because it's a lot to just walk into something that's so known.

Yeah, and you're also going to have a much higher level of scrutiny on you as well. Yes, because I think as viewers we are always going to be the newbies have a lot, a much bigger, higher bar to jump over with us to get us to like them,

right?

Then just if we had just started with them from the beginning, I think they have to have the good takes and the good interactions, and that's why some people struggle, like we saw last year and in previous years, where people come in and they just don't do well, and then they go away, and I do think the bar, Bailey, I feel like people were probably still on the fence with her until this reunion, and Levi has not gotten a lot of respect, and I honestly feel like,

and if this was a new show, that would probably be different, but the bar is higher,

yeah, the bar is higher, but also Levi, like, who knows, there might have been a lot more stuff with her in it, and they had to cut it because they had to go back and change things with a sharper eye on what was going on with West and Amanda. We don't know the answer to that, so let's talk about their union.

So we're gonna get into all the details of the first part of the summer house reunion. There's so much Amanda and I want to dissect and talk about. I have to start with Sierra brings up that West had a girlfriend and says, and he and Wes says I was seeing somebody, and Amanda's just looking stone-faced, and it was march 24 that he admits that Mejia stayed over his house because she gave him the famous, now famous horse hair tie that he wore, and we learned at the reunion that she slept over his house, march 24 which obviously they were well into their hooking up, even by their bullshit timeline. West denied on Watch What Happens Live that he was with Amanda, that's his friend. He also said Mejia, if you look back, oh, this is my friend's brand, and I think that West loved the fact that him and Amanda couldn't be out because he was able to maintain Mejia, he was able to maintain Shiley. I'm sorry, Miha. I've heard conflicting things, Miha.

Yeah, I know. I think I'm pretty sure it's Mija, because I think that's what they were saying. They were on the reunion.

Okay, so here's my conspiracy theory, guys. I think I'm convinced after watching this that Amanda is absolutely the one who leaked that her and West were together, I think that she did it so his side bitches would know and hopefully end it with him, because he'd publicly have to claim her. Right, you can't bang your ex-girlfriend's bestie, you're also besties with her husband, who she made a statement with a month before. Do I truly believe Amanda's the one who ultimately outed their situation. I think West was perfectly happy to be hooking up with all of these girls, like secretly and behind backs. And I also think that's why Amanda was bread crumbing on Instagram, so that people would pick up on it. People like us would post about it, posting best day ever, the touching the fingers, all of these breadcrumbing things on the internet, that was all Amanda West did not breadcrumb Amanda, that was all Amanda's Instagram. Amanda wanted the rumors to get going. Amanda wanted people to know, because once people knew, it would stop West from hooking up with other people. And I believe that she wanted to be with him, to have him at the reunion. She did. She clearly doesn't care about Sierra or Kyle's feelings on this, so that her demeanor at the reunion is what makes me believe that my, my thinking, because I've been thinking this, that she was the one who outed it. That is true.

It's shocking to think about her actually being the one to out the situation, but I think you could be right. At the very least, she definitely didn't not want it to get out right, because if she didn't want anyone to guess or even know why all the posts to your point, while the breadcrumbing cannot think of one reason that you would do that if you're really trying to sneak around and keep it a secret.

Yeah, I

think obviously somebody. She took a video of her and West with a telephoto lens, but I just think nobody really would have been peeking in on.. I don't think the eyes would have been on them had she not started the conversation. She has definitely had a role in this. She cannot.. nobody can deny that. She can't deny it, West can't deny it, and there were some other posts from some of their friends, and I think West himself.. it just.. it felt very.. it did feel very looking back at it, especially it just feels so laissez-faire, and very much tells you that they did not care, and they don't care. So the reunion kicked off just as the trailer promised, so Lindsay is on the couch with the green screen filming a confessional for In the City. You hear this loud knocking on the glass, sounds like a glass door. Kyle comes in, tells Lindsay you might want to look at your phone, then Lindsay starts reading the statement out loud. Jesse calls her while she's doing that, then Mia calls, then Carl calls. So they're all on, they've got Mia, I think, and Jesse on Lindsay's phone, Carl on Kyle's phone. They're all doing this kind of joint phone call to discuss the reaction. Kyle says I spoke with Amanda the night before, and then he says that West sent him a text earlier that day, but that it felt very much just like a box getting checked. Mia says she has suspicions that West and Amanda started their romance, whatever you want to call this, in the second week of January.

Can we first laser focus on Jesse's instinct to call Lindsay before anyone else? I would like to say justice for Jesse Solomon, and for all of us. And I know that we speculated and questioned whether he knew, whether he was the Tom Schwartz, he was not the reaction when he was on the phone call at the beginning of the reunion episode was raw shock and hurt. Jesse Carl's reaction were as raw and real as it gets. I have no doubt in my mind that they were finding this out for the first time,

and I should have looked this up, but if you'll remember, Jesse and Amanda were photographed out having martinis, and I think Amanda even captioned it or put it in the comments somewhere. Now everyone's gonna think we're dating, yeah. And so that was used

them,

yeah, it was like within a couple of weeks, so she completely used him, and what I'm, I have a feeling that might come up in the reunion, because Jesse has every reason to be upset with that, to go and have drinks with somebody, and have them completely lie to your face over what must have been a long conversation. Yeah, it's just, and they did it to everybody, but yes, the fact that he called Lindsay, like she really is Mother Hubbard. She is the matriarch of the group. I really want to talk about timeline mentioning Mia's comment, so we'll go back to that in a minute. But let's go back to reunions, kind of starting. They're all sitting down on couches, they're getting set to film. Wes checks his phone and says, I just found out that my phone was hacked and a nude is has been sent around, we already knew this because the guys had already talked about these nudes backstage before they saw him on set. Jesse pulls out his phone, shows it to West, says that Wes West looks at it, and Wes says, yeah, that's me. But what I want to talk about is Amanda's reaction. It was very strange. She got this look of almost glee on her face. That's the best I can't explain. Glee is the best way that I can explain it. Leans over West to get a better look, and then she's, I never got one. Didn't you think that was strange?

I'm gonna tell you what I think. I think that West and Amanda knew all about the nudes. If the guys knew, he knew, she knew. I think that their little trick up their sleeve was to bring it up before everything started to distract, disarm. Everybody had a little giggle. It was a very good idea, actually. I threw everyone off kilter, right? It was all tense, and this really broke the ice. He did the whole disparaging.. oop, that's me, and we know it wasn't a flattering picture, right? It was flaccid. Everyone had a good laugh. It was very much the manipulation that we all now understand from West. But when you're in it, when you're sitting on that couch, I'm sure the whole cast now looks back and sees it as I saw it as a viewer, which is, and that's why Amanda was gleeful, because I think she thought somehow it would lighten things, and maybe for that moment it did. Certainly, anyone would have sympathy for someone's nude being leaked, or whatever,

right?

But again, Who would send it to Amanda? She has no friends, as per the. Crouch, yeah,

it definitely was. It felt manipulative, so just like everything. Yes,

that it was definitely manipulation on West part. And I do think that the gleeful look on Amanda's face was because they really thought they did something, bringing that up before, before they had to get into it. And Amanda really didn't know how hard Sierra would go on her. She had no way of knowing until she got there, so when Amanda starts by saying she wants to give an apology to Sierra and Kyle. By the way, when Carl said your statement was like singing "Happy Birthday" without saying the person's name, who was that for? If you're not gonna say their name, then why are we singing at all? Perfect analogy.

Do you think part of the reason.. do you think the reason they didn't name Kyle and Sierra. Do you think it was an accident? Do you think it's because Wes knows there's other women that were very much hurt in this as well? I think it goes along with

their whole thinking of we're two single people, so we were allowed to do this. We're sorry if people got hurt, and I think that they really meant in a general way, I think that Amanda was like, I separated from Kyle, I'm allowed to date, and West was like, that's not my girlfriend, that hasn't been my girlfriend for a couple of years, and I really never claimed to begin with. So we're sorry if people got hurt, Mija, Shileen, Kyle, Sierra, our cast members, because we hid it and we lied to Jesse, so it was a blanket. We're sorry to lying for people. Yes, we are hooking up. Really, think it's that they don't take accountability for the fact that Sierra. So then they came to the reunion as if they were gonna take accountability for Sierra and Kyle, even though they were single people. They're entitled to their feelings. As a matter of fact, Amanda even said something like, you can feel how you feel, but what really, and we all saw it within a couple of minutes of the reunion starting, and Amanda declaring that she was there to apologize to Sierra and Kyle. We saw exactly who Amanda is when she snapped and shouted "fuck off" to Sierra, because Sierra came in a little hard. Amanda and said, "You don't have any friends, exactly

other than Wes, friends,

entitled Brat, she wants to be able to do whatever she wants, play the victim. She is so uncomfortable being in a situation where she isn't the victim, right? And she, her whole vibe was obnoxious, entitled, smug. I can't feel bad for somebody with that.

Yeah, I had.. I can't believe I'm about to say this. First of all, one quick thing: some of Amanda's reactions were so high school Mean Girl, yeah, and like turning her head to the side, and so high, so textbook high school mean girl, because I watched, I actually watched both Reunion Live when it happened, and then the next night I watched it on Peacock. I watched the extended version, and it was good to see there weren't a lot of really big differences, but it's also just helpful because you're taking all the information in, and then so then look at it, watch it again and get the real reactions and some of the nonverbal stuff, but I can't believe I'm about to say this, but at least Worm with a mustache, 1.0 Tom Sandoval came into the Vanderpump Rules reunion contrite, and I know people get annoyed when we, when anybody compares these two, but this is a relatively comparable situation where two people messed up, hurt a lot of the people there, obviously different situations, but he and Rochelle were both contrite, and I think Worm with a mustache 2.0 West and Amanda have been complete a holes, not only not remorseful, but Amanda just seemed dead in the eyes. There is no real feeling about things that the only things that really seemed to affect her were when people were hurling insults at her, everything else she was just whatever, very just, and I want to say, too, I know that I'm being harder on Amanda, and I want to say why, because they're both terrible, right, but I think for good reason, because we're more invested in her. She literally was on the very first episode of Summer House. We've seen her go through her marriage. We've seen her be friends with Sierra since 2020 Sierra held her hand, she dried her tears, she supported her through a terrible time, and Amanda was there for Sierra too, when Sierra went through her awful breakup and heard every detail and saw every tear as well, and this is why it feels like a deeper betrayal to me, because Amanda did this to somebody who has been there for her, laid her heart bare in front of her, and it just feels foul to me and everybody else, so when they mentioned the joint statement, and they said there are so many layers, it was so complex. Carl, once again insightfully, he says that wasn't enough to make you stop and say, What are we doing here, and reevaluate, which is something that I think you and I have talked about too. You, even if it was a just one time thing, they could have stopped then, and the damage would have been so much less than what it's turned into. Yeah, when Sierra says to us, she's, "I think the problem is now that you lie about your life, you lie about who you are. I think you're the most fraudulent person sitting on this couch. We've been here three years now. I don't know any that anybody really knows you knows who you are. You live a different life off camera. We never know what you're doing, and probably the reason why it was so confusing is because you had a girlfriend, Miha. And then Wes says, 'Not a girlfriend, but I was seeing someone. Hub House jumps in, and that's when she says, 'Me has actually the one she stayed the night with him before watch what happens live, and Amanda's.. I knew about her, yeah, as how that.. yeah,

and this is exactly why I am gonna say it again. Amanda leaked the whole West hooking up. She's the one who got it out there, because she was continued, and I'm not saying that she leaked it to me, that's not what I'm implying. I'm saying she's the one who got stuff out there in whatever way she did, whether it was her DMing whomever or burner accounts for all of us to investigate. She wanted him to cut it off with all of his other side girls, and she knew she knew all of these girls because she hung out with them. And you guys that are cocktailers read about how she was friends with Chailene. You know, I don't know if she was friends at Mija. Remember, she didn't live in New York. She lives in Pennsylvania now, but she hung out with Chailene, so she knew all of it, and she just knew that this would sweep them out of the way.

By the way, I remain to ask you, How come nobody is talking about Chailene? Yeah, their secret girlfriend has she just asked to be not involved because we had source information that West also talked to her before all this broke, or right at when it did, and she was really upset too.

I'm told that she was very upset, but she really didn't want to be dragged into this. She did not want it publicly. She, they have mutual friends, and she just wants to go back to they're still on the same dodgeball team. She just doesn't want the heat on her, and I think that remember Sierra Lindsay – these people all know each other in some capacity, and I think that she verbalized that to them. And whereas Mija was like, "No, go ahead, say my name, get my brand out there, good for her. So everybody, everybody has their own way that they want to play things, and in the case of Charlene, she didn't want her name involved, and I think they're more so respecting it, and they have enough ammo on him that they can just name me, ha, and then say other girls in it,

and it's true. Yeah, okay, so let's get back to the timeline, because this is when stuff started getting – it was all good, but really good. So Sierra pulls out her phone to read the texts that she had between her and Amanda from early March, which is when all the rumors started to pick up, and Amanda says that at that point their relationship, so she's saying this at the reunion in real time, their relationship back in early March had been PG, and then Sierra says we clarify, and so she reads a text saying that she had sent her at the time saying you and Wes haven't hooked up, made out, held hands under a table, or had sex, and Amanda replied in their text, correct, but then the next thing that comes out of Amanda's mouth is she admits to lying,

and when Amanda is questioned about the lying, she says, "I was terrified. Meantime, Kyle, having a very emotional reaction, hunched over, and listen, we can all agree Kyle made his mistakes in their marriage, but he's clearly very upset, and she showed no remorse towards Kyle or Sierra. It was just about her fear of getting backlash, like it is about her always, and what she wants, and like her wants and needs are supreme to any society, moral code, what have you, and the level of self-absorption that must require is insane to me. It's the tone of her voice. I found it very hard to watch a grown woman in her mid 30s have such little understanding of the way that she hurt her husband and her best friend. These are not side players in your life. There have been situations in your life where you inadvertently hurt an acquaintance or a friend, somebody in your group, and with that you carry anxiety, you carry remorse to hurt your spouse, which, okay, you're separated, there's issues there, but this is just if the shoe was on the other foot and Kyle was hooking up with Lindsay or Sierra, do you think that Amanda would sit there and be as kind as Kyle is being, or be what she's expecting them to say, which is Amanda would say, yeah, he's with Ciara, but you know what, they're both single, of course not, so it's like her expectation of other people and what she requires of herself are. Are it's staggering, I find it. I don't think I know anyone like this in my life, and I am like, so thankful. Thank you to everyone in my life.

Seriously, so true. Timeline again, because it goes back to all the way back when you and I first started talking about this, like when it started, what happened. These are the things, like when it started, like all of that is, and what's next. Still, all we're talking about more lies about the timeline, because Andy asks West and Amanda when they officially slept together. Amanda kind of jumps over us to say, after we put out the statement, guys,

yeah,

who has been advising them on this? Who puts out a joint statement about somebody that they've owned. First of all, second or third base with

West looked shocked when she said that. I don't think he realized that she was gonna say that.

It looked like he was gonna say

we don't know, because she said it, but he didn't look like he was gonna say that. He looked very confused when she said that.

I just, I just keep thinking, hopefully they haven't paid anybody, any consultants, or any PR people for their positioning, because before, so before the union backstage, West said nothing new will be, and this is why I think they do have somebody helping them. I just think that's a really bad person, because West says nothing new will be revealed today, and Amanda agreed. I have not worked in PR, but I have worked with PR teams in the past on some of the brands that I have worked with. When a person is under fire or a brand is under fire and they're accused about lying about something, crisis PR experts often advise them to say nothing new will be revealed today. If they're doing a television, they're getting media trained for a TV interview, whatever, to both say, because that both says we haven't been lying in the past, but also to diminish the impact of the issue that has happened to date. So that's what makes me think that they do have somebody, it's just a bad, a really bad thing, or maybe they really did just go to Chat GPT to get their strategy, which either way, it's not playing well. It's not playing like you thought it would.

I don't think you need to work in PR to know that their strategy is probably the worst way they could have gone. Now, in the original audio leak, we heard Amanda say there was a video or rumor, she knew of a rumor of a video circulating, and she wanted to make sure her and West wanted to make sure they made a statement in case the video leaked. So, you mean to tell me that they hadn't slept together yet? They, everything was PG. So, what could be in this video? Everyone knew they, she was at his apartment, they knew that because they were hanging out all the time. So, unless you were nude or potentially caught in a sex act, and again, I'm not condoning anyone taking a video, it's awful, it's a violation. It should not have happened. There should not be a video. I want to make that clear. But since there is a video, and since you noted that the rumor of a video is what made you make the statement, how are we supposed to believe that you are only kissing and talking about emotions? I'm not sure why they continue to lie. I agree with Jesse with his exhaustion when he was like, why are you still lying? We all know, just be upfront at this point and tell us the truth about the timeline. You're claiming all these things, but nobody believes you want to make a statement before you slept together. Just,

of course, not. That is the, that is the most ridiculous thing, of course.

But it also makes us not believe the thing that they don't realize, I don't know what, why Amanda lied about that, because that was such an obvious lie, but it also then they've already lied. Okay, but now you're continuing to lie after you're already admitting that you're together, so now all of the rumors and all of the conspiracy theories and all the breadcrumbing and everything we watched in the summer makes me believe that you guys were banging on the banjo since the crazy days and nights blind that was posted on june 5, I believe it all now. I believe that they were having an affair since last spring. At this point,

completely agree. The more they lie about this, the worse we think of them. Yeah, so we think the worst, anything's

possible. They, anything,

I actually.. so I had a really good friend over to watch the reunion, and I asked her, because we text a little bit, but I hadn't had a chance to really talk to her about all of us, so I asked her, like, when we're sitting down and watch it, do you think that they were hooking up last summer, and so she, my friend, thinks they were not, she thinks that they were flirty but not hooking up, and that on the finale, the reason Amanda got that shocked look on her face when Sierra walked up to them as they're all leaving is because Wes had just whispered in Amanda's ear that he had made out with Sierra the night before,

could be,

I'm like, that's a pretty good theory,

or that they had also hooked up and he just told her, oh, I hooked up with Sierra, because you're still married,

yeah,

and that's why she was so sure to get that hotel room,

but let's even just say, let's just give them the benefit out, and say maybe it started in January, right? If they're not honest about that and not honest about the actual timeline, people will continue to believe the worst, which is what you've said. Now I've said it, it makes no sense, there's. What else are they hiding? Are they just trying to make it feel smaller? Because it just, it makes the fact that they are so obviously laying just makes everything look so much worse. She

wants everything to have been after she split with Kyle, and I guess she figures if she's gonna say that, then she also needs to give a little bit of distance, so that it doesn't look like she announced their separation because of West, which we all know that they were hooking up before, and that is why she announced the separation, and he was up in that hotel room, and all that, but she wants to put distance because she is going through a legal divorce, and there is stuff to figure out as far as financials and legals, so she wants to, even if Kyle doesn't believe it, seems like Kyle wants to believe what she tells him at this point, for whatever reason that

is, guys. I'm just gonna put this out here. Anybody who works for Mandalay Bay, or I think of the Four Seasons, is where they all the Bravoelebrities were staying during Bravo Con. I really want to know where Wes spent the night,

because we know Amanda and Kyle were not in the same room, because there were a lot of like clues in the videos they each posted that they were in different rooms, which we knew that they were already living separately. We had released all that intel in Cocktail Party, but the average viewer, who is not a Cocktail Party subscriber, did not know that, so people were checking her

about him hooking up with an older woman named Jenny in Las Vegas, have to wonder if it happened at this BravoCon,

and boy did West love when him and Amanda were doing it in secret, because he was able to do all of these things, and when she got annoyed, he would be like, "I have to throw the scent off.

Yeah, exactly. So back to the reunion, when Sierra, because so you had brought this up last week, thinking like maybe Wes has just really hated Sierra. Sierra says it to him, you and Amanda feel like the best revenge that you, you did, you made the best revenge that you could actually execute, and honestly claps to you,

and Wes keeps trying to say that although he and Ciara hooked up at the end of summer, he told her he did not want a commitment, but Ciara did clarify that she spent the night at his place in New York City twice after filming ended throughout the fall, which cocktailers knew that they were hooking up, and they actually also hooked up in December, so one of those times must have been December, but the terms of them hanging out at the reunion were a little strange. It sounded like she was like still fooling around with him, but they had agreed no sex, like that was the not commitment part. I don't know, mind you. Amanda seemed to not know that it was twice, because she looked visibly shocked and upset when she heard about the second time, which is saying something because she had such little emotion other than rolling her eyes and scoffing throughout the reunion again,

and come on, like just because they weren't having penetrative sex, he spent the night, they spent the night in the bed, presumably cuddle, that is an intimate,

and maybe Sierra doesn't want to say that they had, you never know, she may be protecting herself, and of course that works to Wes' benefit, so I wish she would just say if they did, but you could do it loudly.

I don't really care, honestly. When Wes was like, I just.. I drew the line by not having sex. That are like, 'fuck you. Yes, that doesn't.. that's not how women work.

And I love that Lindsay pointed it out. What difference does it make if there was penetration? She didn't use the word penetration. She said, 'Would you admit that an emotional connection is stronger than a physical connection, which again, guys, I'm gonna keep saying it. This is why I think Amanda leaked it, because Sierra was having sleepovers, and her and West, and Amanda and Wes were hooking up, and she wanted him to have to end it with everyone, including Sierra,

and she wanted to win versus Sierra.

Yes, and Lindsay came in, and she said, Wes, you're fucking good. I'm getting pulled into you right now, and I can catch myself, but you are so fucking good. You're good at pulling girls. Do whatever you need to do to climb that ladder, to clout chase, to get wherever you need to fucking go. That's verbatim what Lindsay Hubbard said, to which Sierra added that this wasn't the assist and layup of New York Knicks style, and then you drop them, and then boom, oh wait, I'm.. and then boom, they don't work for you, they don't serve what you need to be served, you drop them, you're going to do the same thing to Amanda when this is not working out, because it's not going to, and you're not going to be able to handle it, West, because you are an effing toddler, and then Sierra hits with I don't know, I think the best woman for West is someone who's not gonna check him on anything, and that's totally Amanda. She's very mute. She's gonna be that weak figure that he needs, and he can always be the star in their relationship. So I actually think maybe it could work. Kyle, who was seated next to Sierra, leaned over to her, was like, that was a little harsh, and she goes, that's your wife, she's not my wife. He

was like in the fetal position when she's saying, because that was a

hit at come on, that was a hit at him. He took, he caught a stray there, but hey, listen, that's not Sierra's problem.

Yeah, and then Sierra goes, that's your wife, not my wife. She came, she did not come to play. Okay, Sierra. Yeah, and then that, of course, like to all both of our points. Amanda isn't crying when she's trying to apologize. She's not crying when she's hearing about how Sierra has felt. She cries when Sierra calls her out, and yeah, it was really harsh, but I feel like the reason it felt so harsh is because it's true,

and Kyle is there, upset, and obviously he's upset because in the moment of reflection he understands that it applies to his marriage, but he's also upset because it was harsh and he felt bad for Amanda, and yet Wes didn't even glance at her, he does not care about anyone but himself, Lindsay is so right, but I do see what Sierra is saying, because Amanda will play the side chick, she's gonna cling to him until she lines somebody else up, because that's what she does.

Yeah, I think you're right. Okay, let's switch gears for a second and talk about Bailey. We mentioned her earlier, she laid Ben out, she said you like to reprimand women, that is your problem, because this all started when Levi comes in, and then they're talking, and the whole situation from the summer where Bailey made a comment about him wanting to fuck Amanda. Essentially, Levi first says, yeah, he has an anger problem, and then Bailey just set him up, lay him out, knocked him over. She said, 'You have a double standard, because she's you pop off on women, including your own girlfriend, but Kyle Cook just goes and acts like a monster, and you pretty much want to try to make out with him. It's definitely a double standard. It definitely feels like a double standard. Then Bailey goes, Sabrina is exquisite. I love Sabrina. She could do better than you.

I loved that. I know we all got a weird vibe from Ben, but it really wasn't until I watched the flashbacks of him actually snapping on the women, and then they showed the contrast of how he was with the men in the house that it made sense to me. Good for Bailey. She's incredible. Season two was secured with that delivery. I love how I loved when she called Sabrina exquisite, because he was like trying. He was trying to play, oh, how dare you talk bad about a woman, and she was like, this isn't has nothing to do with Sabrina. Sabrina's awesome. Even when Sabrina was in bed, when she was on the phone, and Ben was in bed with Sierra and whoever the other person was, and said, "Oh, Wes told, and Sabrina said, "Wes told Ben he has a crush on you, and he grabbed the phone, it was part of the, and he was like very sharp, very off-putting, and in such contrast, I never saw him get like that with a man,

no, definitely not. We had a cocktail, weigh in on this last night during our Zoom. She is Australian. Her point of view is that Ben's behavior is very typical for an Australian man, that it's almost like a cultural thing, and that she's like, actually, I think he actually, knowing what I know, comes off pretty nice. I thought, though, is maybe it's not just about him reprimanding women, maybe it's about him clout chasing and just kissing up to the dudes to secure his position in the group and on the show. Either way, snakey behavior, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that Bailey's right. Okay, before we move on, we have to quickly just talk about some of the casting emails that we have received, and we fully will say there's been a little conflicting information, so we'll fill in with kind of what we're hearing. But first, one summer updates: summer house will look different this season, as a lot of the current cast will be in and out filming in the city to wrap up story lines. Expect the full time in the house to be Carl, Jesse, Mia, KJ, Dara Bailey with newbies. The two names in the mix so far are Jolie Palazzolo and Hannah Kimberly Fox. All newbies must be single, and they are being extra diligent about it this year. Mia is single now, so the only couple would be KJ and Dara, which Bravo was okay with, since their storyline and because KJ's closeness with Sierra and Mia is a positive, and they will become the couple of the house now that Amanda and Kyle are done. I

don't know about that if they don't make up, but this week before today

things change fast in the Bravo world,

especially with Summer House, but we'll weigh in on that after we read these.

Yeah, scenes will be filmed with Amanda, West, and Sierra to wrap story lines, but none will be full time. Sierra's reason being is she's too busy and she does not want to be around them. Amanda and West's reason is that nobody wants to live with them all summer, but the show needs them to finish the story, Kyle and Lindsay will pop in and out similarly to how Lindsay did last summer. Okay, here's the next one coming up. Bravo updates this summer fall. Sierra's departure announcement after the reunion airs. Summer house season 11 will be a new house, new filming for. At new cast members, then the last one subject planning, then Levi, and by the way, these were all sent in to the Send Us Tea page on Bravo and cocktails.com So, if you guys ever have any anonymous content or any anonymous tips or tea, please send it to us. We'll keep you anonymous, and you can put in a whatever, whoever cares what kind of email it is, you, it's, we don't check it, so you can literally put it [email protected] which is what a lot of people do. Okay. Last email, subject planning, Ben, Levi, Amanda, and West are definitely out. Newbies are still being finalized, as well as Sierra's role. She's open to returning in some capacity, but won't be at the house every weekend.

Okay, so first I want to say summer house casting always historically things change at the very last minute for a variety of reasons, because these are young people dating, getting in and out of relationships, they're always casting, so things switch up, and it's oftentimes not with established people like I trust that KJ, Mia Carl, like those. I'm talking about the new people now. In the case of Sierra, I'm receiving the emails are conflicting. I am hearing that there's really nothing firm, and she hasn't confirmed one way or the other. I think if it's true that West and Amanda are out. I feel like Sierra may film a little bit because Mia and KJ being in the house, but she has a lot of opportunities right now, so I wouldn't be shocked if she didn't. But then the other side of me is like, there's nothing precluding her from coming out for a weekend or whatever. You know what I mean? I don't know. We don't. Hopefully it's that she's just waiting for Bravo to show her the money, and it could very well be that, and these emails oftentimes are, you know, they come in as a scare tactic. So I just, this is what we're hearing. I do know 100% it is a new house. I had heard that from a couple of people, and then yesterday the owner of the house that they've used the last few seasons, there was a first house, and this is the second house. Posted a TikTok, like, "Hey, the network reached out to us, they won't be renting from us this summer, so anyone who wants to rent it. So it's definitely a new house. When it says "new cast members, that doesn't mean a whole new cast, they're not going to do that. Yeah, and they don't need to do that, and they shouldn't do that. As far as Carl, yeah, why wouldn't Carl come back? Carl is on, he's on the upswing. He was at the up front. He's going to be on season two of In the City. Should it be greenlit, which I think it will be. I'm sure we'll see Lindsay. I think if we learned anything last summer, it's that the best episodes were when Lindsay was there. So I think they want her, and Kyle single now. So why wouldn't he pop out there?

Yeah, I think that he probably will, and I think it makes sense for some of these more the veterans to not be there every weekend. That makes more sense to me, anyway. Right? That they're not going to be.. it's really funny having watched the first episode ever of this show. I just watched it this week, and then to watch this reunion, because Kyle literally started the show by saying, I know I need to grow up, I know it's not cute for somebody in their 30s to be dancing on bars and out until four in the morning. Carl's not Eric, Kyle's not gonna change his, he's not gonna change his ways, so I can see him coming back. But okay, let's, we have a little time left, so let's talk a little bit about about Rhode Island.

Yes,

because again, it just continues to be so great. So, the one of the biggest things that was, I think, really surprising is Alicia and Liz get into this huge fight as they're going to Rosie's husband's Frank Sinatra impersonation show, I guess, is what it was. So, Liz had jumped all over Alicia when Alicia said, "As a child, my dad sold our house under from under us and abandoned us and left us homeless. Liz jumps all over that. She said, "You were never homeless, but Alicia felt like she was being invalidated because of when her, how she felt when her father abandoned her. My thing is this: I don't think it's right to tell somebody else what their experience was. Just because she wasn't living on a sidewalk or in a shelter does not mean that Alicia didn't feel that way, that her family was abandoned, and that she didn't have a home because her dad sold it out from under them. I can only imagine that a child who sees lives in a situation where most of the families are typical nuclear families, and then sees that her family is was a nuclear family and now is living in her grandparents' basement, and that made her feel different, and made her feel abandoned. 100%

I can absolutely. And also, homeless may not be the right word, but we all know Alicia, and obviously Liz knows Alicia much better than we do. So, she, more than the audience should have understood, as we did, that she didn't physically mean. Was sleeping in a car, or she was staying in a shelter, you know what I, or she was on a street. Do see what Liz is saying. Oh, it's not nice to say about your family, they, you have such a big loving family, you weren't homeless. But to your point, Alicia, speaking about her experience, and it's her family, the anger from Liz was disturbing. Yeah, apologize, let Alicia process it, let her move on in her own time. It's obviously a very painful subject for her. So, when she became so angry, and then she was projecting onto Joe Ellen, who was just trying to keep the peace. Joe Ellen was just trying to.. they were in a car. You want to calm it down? I just

kind of get.. yeah, I really move on from here. I just.. I

didn't like that scary side of Liz at all.

No, she is definitely, she is definitely one of those people who is will not back down, even when they realize they're wrong. I think she's one of those people who will literally fight like a badger when cornered, but after time, cool down and apologize, because we saw her do that with Kelsey, after remember when Liz freaked out at her husband's studio 54 party, I have a feeling that's what she will do, but I hope that's what she does.

Same

on the triple date, where Kelsey and Bill are out together as a couple for the first time, she asks the group if they think it's weird that her ex is still playing for stuff. The group says no, Bill and her mom, though we know, do not like it. So somebody I forgot who asked her, just saying in return. Kelsey jokes that she has to blow him once a week. I mean, this again, another joke that just does not land.

I mean, I just. I don't like the way Kelsey framed it. I get she's joking, but the.. I don't know, I found it icky. She keeps mentioning if I was married, I'd get alimony, but somehow it does feel different for him to continue paying her bills if she really is in a serious relationship with Billy, which seems very unclear, and it's hard to tell what's a storyline with her.

Yeah,

I almost feel to her alimony point. Okay, then maybe ask for a settlement. We had a common law marriage for 10 years. I want you to give me 300 that, like, nothing is continuing to go on. If you're not still hooking up, then take a settlement or something. But

yeah, because then she's got to keep staying in contact with the ex to get her bills paid, so it does feel like it's not as clean of a break to your point.

Yes,

I think she's scared. I think she's never been on her own. I think the blow job joke was terrible. Why would she position herself like that when she's really trying to position herself as something, somebody who's moving on from being in a relationship with somebody who doesn't want to marry her, essentially,

right?

The trivia night. Okay, first of all, did you.. I don't wonder, is that place also a bar because it's so brightly lit, it looks very coffee shop, or did they just get an event, an ability for the event to just have alcohol there. I don't know. I thought that was very confusing.

Yeah, one

of our Rhode Island people, they need to tell

us. Yeah, we need.. did you also see? I posted that Rosie's husband, apparently he's a great guy, and he goes around singing and dancing everywhere, not dancing, but he does weddings. He was at a restaurant last night, and people love him. He is well liked.

He seems great. Yeah, Ashley, back to the trivia night. She set up two tables to try to separate Rosie and Kelsey. Didn't work. They start to get into it. Liz just, you start to see her kind of slowly melt into her chair, ends up under the table. Then does Ashley. Ashley does, Alicia, everybody, but Rosie and Kelsey, so everybody's looking at them. The women, most of the women are under the table. Rosie and Kelsey are yelling at each other. Essentially, Rosie is mad because of Kelsey's behavior. Feels like Kelsey never apologized that that her coming with the big loudspeaker and saying that she was the house police, that was mean and a dig. Kelsey thinks she was joking, thinks that Rosie is being performative, which says to me, like, you know, she thinks she's overreacting.

As much as Kelsey isn't handling this great, neither is Rosie. She, I can't get out of my head something about how she is, especially with Kelsey. She just barks her down. I do. I think I can't move past the initial condescending way Rosie is. Just feels like she thinks she's.. doesn't feel like a way she spoke to Kelsey. Listen, I don't necessarily agree with Kelsey's life choices, but I really don't like it when women tear other women down in that way, of like, I have a career and you don't, and I think I just feel like if you have it all going on, you don't need to tear another woman down, a woman down like that. And then I guess the flip side of it is Kelsey talked about her house and made these accusations, but I just feel like Rosie started it. I guess that's where my mind goes. Those, I'm just not loving Rosie, like

it's Rosie comes off as less likable with this whole thing. What about so there is that rumor about Rosie having had the affair with that basketball coach. The rumor also says she got a payout to keep quiet about the affair, and that's what they're using to add on. They're essentially building a whole new house and just attaching it to what looks like a garage with an apartment over.

Yeah,

and it could, it could be like, I just, I don't think, I think, yeah, everybody likes Frank Sinatra, but I don't, I don't think that Frank Catinatra impersonation is that lucrative of a business.

I don't think so either. Here's my thing with the denial: if there is any picture that surfaces of her with this coach, she's in trouble, because when you go so far as to say I never met this man, you better really have never met this man, and in that case, I do wonder, because we got this rumor too, and of course it could be Kelsey that sent it in, or like it just seems odd to me that her name would be brought into this out of the clear blue sky if there was no connection, and that the rumor would have legs like it did,

right? I'm

not saying it's true. I'm saying to go so far as to say you never met the man, you really better have. If an interview surfaces from when she was on the local show, she can't be like, 'Oh, I don't remember meeting him, because that's now we're lying, right? So, and in that same vein, if nothing surfaces, and if we don't see a picture, and if there, then there really is no connection, then I'm looking at Kelsey sideways, because I know it's your first season, but when you come on a show like this, anything can be said, and you have to have some sort of receipt, you can't possibly know if there was penetration, this is our word, last week was the word of the pod was coward, this week it's penetration,

penetration, you

can't possibly know if an affair actually happened, but you should at least know if she was in this man's acquaintance. As an example, on the valley we saw allegations lodged at Michelle, and she was like, 'I just had dinner at the Chateau with these people, nothing happened. Okay, so I'm not saying there was any truth to the allegations about Michelle, but at least there was a receipt. She was at Chateau dining with these men in question,

right? So

they had something to build off of it. So if Kelsey did this rumor and there really was never anything, first of all, it's a married man and you're on a television show and he's a well-known married man. So my thing is, like, why isn't this guy suing? I don't know. Do you know what I'm saying?

Like, because, yeah, because he's yeah, or there was an affair, it wasn't with Rosie, and, but, yeah, I agree, there's definitely something going, something happened, something's up, something's off,

exactly, so watch and see, because if Rosie has ever been in this man's acquaintance, we will find out at the reunion, which has not filmed yet.

Yeah, or we'll probably get, if there's receipts, I'm sure they'll get sent to us too, because you guys, especially the Rhode Island network, is real tight.

Yes, and I love the leaks from Rhode Island. Oh, before we log off, Shep and Taylor are back to banging on the banjos, and I do believe we'll see her next season.

Somebody said on Discord what I think this means, like they could end up getting married.

I don't, and

I could see it.

So we had posted in February in Cocktail Party that Gaston was spotted out with the girl, and it was very specific. Somebody confirmed it. It was Valentine's Day, or like Valentine's week. Taylor was traveling that week, apparently. She did catch him cheating. She finally posted TikToks and everything, so he's done. And I do think that Taylor really loves Shep, and I do think that if Shep ever would settle down, it would be with Taylor.

Yeah, yeah, and maybe

getting to that point, we don't know,

who knows, who knows. All right, I love

you guys.

Yeah, the best. Thanks again for everybody joining on the Zoom, and I have to, and then on Discord too. It's been so fun just seeing all the live reactions during the reunion, and everybody's thoughts, and just again, want to just do a big shout out to our community, because you guys make everything so much more fun.

We love you guys.

Bye.