Podcast 209: TWO exclusives only on the pod; What did West whisper to Amanda? The Valley of Man-Babies

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“Rulla did not want to leave her husband for multiple days, it was her means of controlling him by physically planting herself somewhere so she could prevent him from leaving to go and see the mistress.” – Amanda

Hear more about:
– Jenn Fessler & West hookup rumors: Rumors swirl that Jenn Fessler and West Wilson hooked up, fueled by Ciara Miller’s comments and Jenn’s shifting public response.
– Bravo hiding West’s whisper to Amanda: Production muting what West whispered to Amanda during Kyle’s outburst sparks theories Bravo is saving the reveal for the reunion.
– Amanda & West relationship speculation: Amanda and West’s intimate body language and emotional closeness continue fueling speculation.
– Kyle & Amanda’s toxic marriage dynamic: Kyle Cooke and Amanda’s relationship is described as a cycle of resentment and public conflict.
– Rulla’s husband cheating lawsuit drama: Rulla’s husband Brian and his alleged mistress are now suing each other over NDA violations.
– Jo-Ellen exposing affair evidence: Jo-Ellen shocks the cast by revealing video allegedly showing Brian still involved with the mistress.
– Concern over Danny’s behavior on The Valley: Danny Booko faces criticism for immature and dismissive behavior toward Nia Booko.

Transcript of episode 209, Cocktails and Gossip

Speaker 1 0:00
What’s up, cocktailers? What’s up, Amanda.

Amanda 0:02
Hi, B. Hi, Cocktailers. A lot is up, I feel like, but first, just wanted to let those of you guys who are cocktail party members know that we are doing our Zoom on may 27 so that is very much on purpose, because that will be the day after the reunion, part one for Summer House, and we will talk other stuff, but we, of course, get the feeling that there’s going to need to be a family meeting, so we figure that’s a good time,

B 0:32
there’s going to need some serious think tank after that,

Amanda 0:34
yeah, yeah, and then before we get into all of our usual, you went to the vulture, what was it, Reality Masterminds, I think it was called Awards. First of all, I know you guys don’t all get to see this, but I got to see some of the pictures. You looked absolutely gorgeous.

Speaker 1 0:52
Oh,

Amanda 0:52
tell us everything.

B 0:53
Okay, you know, I’m just gonna ramble now because I’m gonna tell you everybody I met. So I was invited in my inbox, I get the email from Vulture, and I’m like, they’re honoring Andy Cohen and Kathy Hilton, so it’s an immediate yes, right? And then I was like, oh, it would be so fun if my husband could come, so I asked them, and they let me bring him, which was amazing. Thank you, Vulture. We had the best time, he was my photographer. I have to tell you, some of the reality stars were after my husband, Amanda. Yes,

B 1:24
he was

Amanda 1:25
a very nice looking man. So, who wait? Who was after? I wanted to say, but I didn’t.

B 1:32
So I’m standing, talking to New York from Flavor of Flav Villains, Tiffany Dollard. So, me, her, and I are just chatting. I did it. So, I did tell some people I was Bravo and cocktails, but not everybody. I told people where it was relevant, and if I have a good relationship, and if I trusted them. I didn’t just tell some people because I was nervous, or because I just felt like, in Tiffany’s case, it doesn’t really matter to her. She’s not in the Bravo world, kind of thing. And then, of course, you get nervous, because somebody like Tiffany, I may or may not have posted something shady about her, I may not remember, she might, and I don’t want to piss off Miss New York, so her and I are laughing, talking, because I’m like, “Where in New York are you from? She’s, “Girl, I’m from upstate. I was like, “Get the hell out of here. So we were laughing, and then she turns her head and she is, “Whoa, who is that fine white man staring at us? And I was like, “That’s my husband. She’s, “Oh, she’s such a good thing I have a man, so whatever. But he’s good looking. I’m like, thank you. Ah, honestly, all of Quad, the summer house girls.. like, they were all like,

Speaker 1 2:30
‘Good for you, B. They were very.. yeah, they were very

Amanda 2:34
so funny.

B 2:34
So, okay. Who did I see? Now,

Amanda 2:36
too,

B 2:37
I loved Quad. Quad gave me her phone number. I have quads phone number in my phone, like we’re like really friends. She was, because it’s exciting to meet everybody, but her and I, not even about the show, like we just.. I don’t even know what we were talking about, but she is somebody that, like, her and I would be friends in real life.

Amanda 2:54
You vibed, yeah?

B 2:55
Yes, we absolutely vibed. So we get there, the first, the walk-in first people, there’s a whole red, so it was at something called the Long Club, which is a huge event space. It looks like during the day, or even like on at night time, they do, there’s like turf in certain areas, so maybe, or I don’t know, croquet, I don’t, you know, me with sports, but there was also like huge event space, because there were tons, so we got there. We weren’t like the first people there, because we went around the corner to this really cute bar and had an absinthe and gin cocktail, because I was like, I need to loosen up. Delicious,

Amanda 3:29
they light the absinthe on fire.

B 3:31
They did. It was really cool.

Amanda 3:33
Oh,

B 3:33
it was such a cool vibe. And we got these like lobster tail corn dogs, random, delicious,

Amanda 3:39
yum.

B 3:40
And I’m glad I did, because it was just past orders, and like, my husband, he’s a workout guy, and he needs his food.

Amanda 3:46
Yeah,

B 3:46
he’s, where is the food,

Amanda 3:47
and things like that? Yeah, it’s hard to eat and talk, and you’re talking, and things like that. Yeah,

B 3:54
and I had zero interest in it, because I was like, so interested in talking to everybody, so that’s why I fed him before. He’s like, it’s like kids’ husbands, you got to feed them before. Yeah, so walk in, Kyle Cook on the red carpet. Carl’s must have just walked off the red carpet. He was Carl, absolutely lovely, so tall, really. How I’d picture him to be, and just had a really nice conversation. I did whisper to him who I was, and like, he did say I’m a subscriber. I can say that because he said it, and I was like, really, and he was like, listen, I haven’t always appreciated the stuff you’ve posted, but it’s always been pretty accurate, so I was like, can I quote you on that and put it at the top of the website now, so just a really nice conversation, and then Kyle came off the red carpet, and at first I didn’t say anything, and then I was at the bar, and he came right next to us, and was like, “Hey, just to me, and I was like, “Hi, do you recognize my voice? And he looks at me, and he’s, “I know you. I was like, “I’m bravo in cocktails, and I have heard that you listen to our podcast, and I can only call the look on his face fear, ha. Ah, and then I introduced him to my husband, who is a strapping man. Listen, he was perfectly polite. I would not use the word warm.

Amanda 5:12
Yeah,

B 5:13
he was what I expected to be. Like, I don’t expect Kyle

Amanda 5:16
trouble this year, we

B 5:18
for many years,

Amanda 5:19
but yeah, especially over the last year, because we were widely reporting that they were not together well before Bravo Con, so you know we do try to be – I don’t want to say fair and balanced, because we will never be that, but when we see good things about the people that sometimes we say more bad things about, we do report, we do talk about those too,

B 5:42
and we do promote his business. I have very often, I very often drink Lover Boy while I’m recording, and I’ve shouted it out, so

Amanda 5:49
you

B 5:50
know,

Speaker 1 5:50
yeah, one

B 5:50
hand washes the other, right? He was fine, but he was DJing, so it was kind of good, because, like, I said hello, and then I did see him, but he was behind a DJ booth, so he couldn’t get to me to yell at me, which is fantastic. Okay, Melissa and Joe were seriously VIPS. They were on the red carpet forever, because I said I keep almost saying my husband’s name. I was like, we can’t miss them because they go to a lot of these things, and I’m sure they’re gonna do the red car carpet, come in, do some interviews, say hello, and bounce, which is what they did. So Joe comes off first, and I go running over, and he’s looking at me, and obviously none of these people have ever seen me, and he’s looking at me, and I was like, whisper in his ear, I’m like, Joe, I’m Bravo, and cocktail gives me the most authentic hug, like a cousin,

Speaker 1 6:30
I’m not even

Amanda 6:30
kidding, bring me diarrhea,

B 6:31
and he

B 6:32
goes, Melissa, get over here, our Paisan is here, and I’m like, don’t shout my name, thank God I said that, because he was about to say Bravo, and

Amanda 6:40
oh God, oh God,

B 6:41
Melissa came, and it was like, I just listen. I have always been a fan of theirs. I feel like I.. we don’t

Amanda 6:48
talk. Had Melissa on the podcast, really like her,

B 6:51
exactly.

Amanda 6:51
Yeah, been on her podcast,

B 6:53
yes. But we’ve never met in person, and she was just really so cool. And, of course, Joe’s talking to my husband, he’s, ‘Let’s go do a shot. Melissa, we will find you for a shot, but we have 14 interviews to do still, and he’s gone. On it was, they’re very.. they are who they say they are.

Amanda 7:09
Yeah, I swear, this is Carl’s year. Was there.. oh, girls checking him out. What was the like kind of vibe around him?

B 7:20
First of all, I feel like this. We all swore it was Carl’s last year. I think Kyle being single could change that. I think the scandal could change that. I think he was more interesting this year, just in a general way. He’s got stuff going on.

Amanda 7:34
Yeah, I think the fact that he was at the Bravo up front means Bravo isn’t done with him.

B 7:39
I said to him, I was like, I know I’ve posted this, and I know you get a lot of tags and whatever, but I want to tell you that I really love your podcast, and I shouted Nick Vial, who, and Carl’s, he’s directly behind you, but I love that for you. I’m like, I don’t even know what he looks like, and I turn her, and now my husband is just like, oh my god, I don’t want to have to fight anybody. Please, Nick, my house, a little, he’s a little guy. I saw him enough. He didn’t do anything for me. He is, he’s a little, he’s Kyle. Not so little. I’d like to just say something, Kyle, not so little. My husband’s six foot. Kyle, I would say about 510 Kyle’s slim. We all see him very fit on TV, but he’s also slim, so I think that’s part of it. But I complimented the skin, and he has great hair. Yeah, he does have like.. I was staring at it, trying to decide if he went to Turkey and got it done, because it’s that good. But I think he’s

B 8:35
actually

Amanda 8:35
like great hair. Yeah, I don’t.. I think he’s never had a revolving, moving hairline. I think he’s just blessed with it. So, I know

B 8:43
Carl does want us to go by soft bar, so we could do an event. You have to come, and I’m like, I’m anonymous, that’s tricky. But, and a bunch of them DM me the next day to say it was nice to meet me, which was really sweet. And Carl was like, please do not just show up, let me know, because I want to be there. It was great to meet you and your husband. Yeah, really, he’s a gentleman.

Amanda 9:03
Oh, wow,

B 9:05
or a smart businessman, because now here I am blowing him up. So,

Amanda 9:08
I mean,

Speaker 1 9:08
listen,

Amanda 9:09
maybe both. He probably is both. Okay, I know you were like when we were talking about who you’re excited to see, and I know you had a lot, but Ryan Sarnhant was up there for you. How did that go?

B 9:21
So I think he did the red carpet and bounced because I got a picture of him on the red carpet, and then through the Gorgas, and then I didn’t see him again, but he was with Amelia. She’s stunning. She looks.. he is.. he is.. these people are how we see them. He is gregarious, he’s smiling ear to ear, he is beautiful, beautiful, you know. I love him. I just think he’s beautiful. She is beautiful, but you can definitely see she’s more guarded, guarded, that’s the word. Yeah, I was taking pictures of them, and she was definitely looking at me, because I don’t have a media mic or anything. There I am with my camera, and I don’t know, and she’s so smart, right, so. Like I don’t know, I felt like she was sniffing me out, so I got the hell out of there, because we posted some stuff about their marriage.

Amanda 10:05
Yes, we have.

B 10:06
He is not somebody I’d whisper to,

Amanda 10:07
yeah,

B 10:08
because he’s a businessman and smart. And I met Kathy Hilton, she was walking by, and I’m like, “Oh my god, Kathy, I didn’t tell Kathy either, because I didn’t think she would even be like a blip on her radar, because it’s Kathy.

Amanda 10:21
Do you know what I thought of that picture? Because, of course, guys like B is sending pictures, and I was actually really stunned by her picture, because I know you didn’t put any filter on it. And, oh no, she’s got some amazing thing.

B 10:36
Listen, every.. oh, they all have work done, but some also have good genes. And look at Paris. Paris is older than us, and she doesn’t have a wrinkle on her face. I’m sure they do botox and stuff, and in Kathy’s case, I’m sure there’s a facelift. She was just as you’d picture, she was like talking to me, going in her bag, quirky, funny, all the things.

Amanda 10:55
Love,

B 10:56
so she was the recipient, and Andy, I saw him, I was actually like deep in conversation with KJ and Dara, so I was with, okay, so then we go back. Oh, so then I see Lindsay. Lindsay, when I told her who I was, she gave me a huge hug. Was so warm, I was.. it could go either way with Miss Hubbard and myself, because we.. there have been times I’ve posted things that she hasn’t liked, but for whatever reason, she’s currently happy with us. So we’ll take it. I know I’ve said this about her when I saw her at BravoCon. First of all, she’s so tall, which, for whatever reason, doesn’t translate on television. Maybe because Carl’s so tall.

Amanda 11:28
Oh,

B 11:29
she’s so thin, and I don’t mean like overly skinny. She looks perfectly healthy. She’s so gorgeous. My husband felt of everybody we saw, he said Quad and Lindsay were the two for him that he thought were the most beautiful,

Amanda 11:41
huh?

B 11:42
Yes. So I was talking to her, and then I was talking to Mia. Mia and I were like, literally sitting on a couch by where Kyle was DJing for half an hour. My husband was bringing us drinks, and then KJ and Dara came by, and Dara hugged, kissed me, so sweet. KJ was a little standoffish, but then when Dara was warm, he warmed up.

Amanda 12:01
Yeah,

B 12:01
yeah. I was with the summer house. I met Ariana. I did not tell Ariana who I was, because remember,

Amanda 12:05
yeah, we

B 12:06
did break Scandinavia.

Amanda 12:07
Yeah,

B 12:07
she’s adorable and cute, and her boyfriend, by the way, is very attractive in person.

Amanda 12:11
Oh,

B 12:12
I feel like some people don’t translate as well on TV, and he is somebody who, on TV, not that he’s bad looking, but he just looks.. but in person, first of all, he’s very tall and well built, and he’s just sexy. He’s a sexy guy. I am loving her as a brunette. Love it.

Amanda 12:29
She looks gorgeous. She looked drop dead gorgeous on Watch What Happens Live this week.

B 12:35
Yes, I also met Kelly from Atlanta. I didn’t tell her who I was, but she is itty bitty, adorable. She was with a really handsome guy.

Amanda 12:43
Oh,

B 12:43
like really like good father, her, yeah. So, I don’t know, was just a date, it was just a plot, I don’t know,

Amanda 12:49
good for her,

B 12:50
but I didn’t ask because he was standing right there, Rochester, that’s all I know, because my husband was talking to him,

Amanda 12:56
truly, of all the bad timing and the world, like, first, so it was the bad timing of us not finding out about Dr. Dre and Michelle dating until after I met Jesse and his girlfriend. Pretty much the same thing happened, because Jen Vessler was there the day that I was there at the party, and then the whole scandal broke the next day, so I doubt I highly doubt any of you have missed this, but just in case, Jen Fessler was asked, and then she posted

B 13:30
something on a comment below one of the videos, and says he’s just a golden retriever, leave him alone, he didn’t mean to hurt anyone, don’t give him such a hard time, so that video got reposted. Sierra writes below it on social media. She slept with him too, and of course, the internet went absolutely wild. Had this happened before the event, I know you would have just marched right up to Jen and asked her about it, and I know, and Marge and Jen were on the red carpet, but I didn’t get to them in time, because listen, Marge, people who are New York-based, they’re invited to so many things that I think oftentimes they go do the red carpet and leave, yeah, and like after the red carpet there was like a space for interviews behind, so I, of course, I would have loved to meet Marge and Jen, but I like Melissa. I was like, I am. I stood like in the media stand. But talk about an immediate spiral. The entire internet went to Jen Feschler’s account, and we reposted her videos. You guys, I’m sure you saw it, but as an example, on her 27th anniversary with her husband, Jeff, her caption was, I’m not leaving you, even if you sleep with Amanda or West. So, since then, she has gone on quite the campaign. First, she played into it, then she denied it, and made a loose threat to Sue. Sierra was like, ‘Don’t mess with me, don’t fuck with me. I did her cartwheel emoji, which instantly I kind. It Sierra did not issue a retraction. She did not apologize. She very much doubled down. Jen then went on 2t and denied it, went on Jeff Lewis and denied it. I want to say she went on another one. Here’s the thing, I personally have zero proof that something happened, but sometimes it’s better to say less, because to me, whether she did it or not, the videos she posted are incriminating when you watch it in the context of thinking they hooked up. The

Amanda 15:26
lady watch Doth protests too much.

B 15:29
Yeah, the watch what happens live of him saying he hooked up with a woman in her late 50s. Sierra not backing down, it could be that Sierra’s not backing down because she knows as a public figure there’s not much Jen can do, there’s a huge burden of proof on Jen Fessler’s part, but why would Sierra mess with a marriage unless she really believed it happened? And could it be that Wes said it in line? It’s possible.

Amanda 15:50
I definitely could. I fully agree. Jen’s approach was terrible to try to make jokes about it first, while I know that is more her brand and the way that she does things, I think it was a terrible call, because

B 16:03
either stick to that or come out angry,

Amanda 16:05
I don’t know, I or just say very little and just say this is categorically untrue and leave it alone, right? Because I don’t know if I take my marriage very seriously, I would never joke like that ever about that. Yes, I talk about my laminated list, but you guys know I just feel like she kind of doubled down with the joke, and it just was so bad.

B 16:27
And then she even said that the reason she made the thread on one of the pods was because Jeff was mad about it, so it’s like,

Amanda 16:33
yeah, of course, I mean, and her son, of course, he was really upset. But here’s my thing, both on Watch what happens live. Carl and Lindsay individually come on the show and confirm that they had heard the rumor before. I think

B 16:49
Lindsay actually did that with virtual reality

Amanda 16:52
over

B 16:53
whatever publicly interview she said. Why is anyone surprised? We all knew this.

Amanda 16:58
Yeah, and then the rumor, of course, like you mentioned, Wes talked about hooking up with an older woman named Jenny. So interesting, because Jen Fessler goes by Jen, not Jenny, and who else has Wes given a nickname to somebody who never goes by Mandy. We call Amanda Mandy and Jen Jenny. It’s a pattern to me.

B 17:22
It’s also fits his manipulation to make a private joke between the private

Amanda 17:28
little, a little pet’s name.

B 17:30
Yeah, so it

Amanda 17:31
fits. I don’t know. Okay, we got to talk about this episode. So much happens. Tell me, what your initial thoughts are.

B 17:40
Okay, what stuck out to me the most, and everyone there were so many moments in this episode, and different things stuck out to different people. I know that the hug between Amanda and West, when she says, ‘When you pulled your chair up next to me, I love you, and he was like rubbing the back of her head, and was a very intimate moment. Yes, that was shocking. What caught my attention the most was when Amanda was trying to calm Kyle down outside, she was like choking him, and, and the thing is, too, it’s so easy to be so critical in the moment, there’s drinking involved, everybody was hysterical, there was a serious fear that there may be a physical fight between Kyle and Carl, so she was just trying to calm him down, West comes over to her, puts his hands on the sides of her breasts, which I can’t under her arm, guys, her arm is out. He reaches under her arm and touches that side of her breast, touches it that way, which is a very intimate gesture. Oh, I can’t.. it’s like you might as well touch the vagina. To me, I just found that beyond intimate. And he whispers something to her, which the audience cannot hear, and then Amanda immediately walks away from Kyle. Yeah, goes inside, sits down, and whatever. I have no idea what he said, but if I were to guess, it would be something like, let him bury himself. Yeah, yeah. In other words, I feel like he was thinking, let him look like a national on national TV. I really believe at this point that West is incredibly calculated and manipulative. I think he was fine with burning Kyle to the ground and making him Kyle look like a piece of shit. I think he saw himself as the future of summer house, and the final piece of that was having a fling with his wife to really burn him good.

Amanda 19:20
We know Wes was miked because we hear him speak at other times, so he was miked at that moment, but production chose not to share what he said for some reason. Bravo, we demand to know what it was. My theory is they saved it for the reunion to play for everyone to get a reaction.

B 19:42
Oh, because I hope so.

Amanda 19:44
You think I highly doubtful that they missed whatever it was. There’s some reason that they didn’t share it. I didn’t love Amanda’s hands around Kyle’s throat.

Speaker 1 19:55
No,

Amanda 19:55
I didn’t love that. Also, just I know that this has been. I think other, I’m slow, because on I’m slow to come to this realization, because I’m not a psychiatrist, but Amanda and Kyle have both been in this very toxic cycle, and it really became clear to me that they both seem to enjoy it, right, because Kyle acts out to get Amanda’s attention, and then she feels justifying in icing him out. I think she likes having a reason to treat him badly. It is literally happens. This has happened since the very beginning of Kyle and Amanda. I think it’s a terribly toxic cycle. I think it’s good that they are no longer together.

B 20:40
I found it very interesting, and our friend, who we definitely need to get on here soon to discuss the summer house of it all, because your Bish therapist has been writing really insightful summaries as a therapist, what she’s seeing.

Speaker 1 20:56
Yes,

B 20:56
and she mentioned in last week and this week’s summary about triangulation, and how Amanda has other people do her bidding and speak for her, and how we’re watching her have that duper’s delight, where she’s satisfied watching him get destroyed. And now the thing about it is, was she always this way, and we’d have to go back and watch, or instead of leaving, did she go to this place? Instead of leaving a marriage that she was unhappy in, and what about when Kyle was talking to himself in the closet? He basically said everything that actually happened. She hates me, she doesn’t want anything to do with me, but she’s scared to leave me because she doesn’t know how to do things by herself. She feels like she needs him for that.

Amanda 21:42
That was quite the read. Do we think Amanda and Wes are still together? So, I know we’ve gotten some intel that they were apart, but it’s been pretty vague. He obviously did not take her to the wedding, but that didn’t really throw me. I don’t think most people would take, or even be able to take, somebody who is relatively new, and because wedding invitations are as well in advance, and then RSVPs are done two months before, or whatever. So,

B 22:10
and what couple is going to want West and Amanda with Scamander overtaking the bride shine? That’s understandable, that even if he, they were okay for him to have a plus one, they would say, “Don’t bring her. Yeah, I did think it was funny how we had all those videos of him in the airport with somebody, and again, this person was likely just a friend. Actually, they think they went to high school together, but in the pictures she looked just like Amanda. So everyone’s Amanda was there, and I’m like, “That’s not Amanda. And then I’m like, fighting with people. And then finally, cocktails, as they always do, figured out who it was, and we solved the puzzle. It’s not that he’s with that girl, but they were traveling, and is West so into his own PR that he chose to go to the airport with a girl who put a bull cap on and looked just like Amanda. I put nothing past him now.

Amanda 22:54
Yeah,

B 22:55
here’s my thing.

Amanda 22:56
Okay,

B 22:57
are they broken up? The reality is West doesn’t want a relationship. I have to imagine that Amanda thought this would become more, or she likely wouldn’t have blown up her life in the way that she did, just for a hookup. I could be wrong. I would imagine. Sorry, go ahead.

Amanda 23:14
Oh, I was just gonna say, I think Wes is really good at making a lot of women feel like they’re the only one in his life,

B 23:20
including Jenny,

Amanda 23:21
including Jenny.

B 23:22
I think she must be coming to realize that the same way he wouldn’t commit to Sierra or Mejia or Dara or Shailene or any of the other, I’m sure, amazing girls he’s been involved with over the years, he won’t commit to her. Do I think that means that they’re not hanging out at all, that they’ll never hook up, not necessarily. I think she’ll want to save face, and I think he, to some point, will want to save face. Do I think to there’ll ever be a point where they are presenting themselves in monogamous relationship for the long term? As Carl Radke said on Watch What Happens Live, absolutely not.

Amanda 23:59
Yeah, this is not a matter of if it, they’re going to break up. It’s a matter of when. I think I think everybody thinks that. Think, though, we have to think about where we are right now. It is may 14. They will start shooting, filming the show at around the beginning of July, so we’re six weeks out. I think they’re trying to play their cards right and stick with us with whatever strategy that they have decided to do, so that they don’t get fired from either or both shows. In my opinion, they either end it now and say to everybody, “We messed up, we messed up, we messed up, or they still try to keep up this facade until contracts have got to be going out any minute now, literally, so that they get another chance in front of the cameras. This is, these are critical days for what happens next. Speaking of one of our cocktails saw a sign up in Brook. Plan for a shoot this Friday the 15th. Do we know anything about that?

B 25:04
So, I know it’s a promo that a couple of the cast are filming. It’s not really in relation to the show, it’s like a side thing, like a Bravo peacock collaboration promotion ad, if you will, like

Amanda 25:17
a summer by Bravo promo.

B 25:19
Now, I don’t think so. It’s involving.. I can’t really say, but it’s like an ad,

Amanda 25:25
okay?

B 25:25
Say it like that.

Amanda 25:26
Got it?

B 25:27
I wish it was something exciting. I wish it was Lindsay and Amanda, which is what people were guessing. Somebody said they saw a Lindsay coming straight from a spray tan, and she must be getting the spray tan to film. Listen, I hope all of that’s happening, but that’s not what this sign is about. We also got a post. Oh, so somebody said to me, “B, didn’t you have a post about Dancing with the Stars that said they were looking at Amanda for Dancing with the Stars? I had no memory of it. I went back, and sure enough, Gia Judicia was named. And remember, this was all when they were like in talks, and Amanda Patula was named. So essentially Amanda took Sierra Sierra took Amanda’s spot on Dancing with the Stars.

Amanda 26:05
Cheers to that.

Speaker 1 26:06
Yeah,

Amanda 26:07
deserves

B 26:08
it, and she hit a million followers.

Amanda 26:10
I saw that. I love it very good for her. All good things happening for her. So, okay, we got to talk about Rhode Island. The show, I think everybody agrees, the show is so good, but the off-screen drama has also been quite wild. So, on this last episode, Rula stays home from the girls’ trip, saying that she’s sick and in pain, and then we see a scene with Brian, her for now husband, doting on her when she’s in bed, and she says, I went to the ER because I was in such bad pain, and it’s some, they think it’s just some undetectable virus. Meanwhile, she is in full glam in the bed. My theory is this: Rula did not want to leave her husband for multiple days, it was her means of controlling him by physically planting herself somewhere, so he could, so she could prevent him from leaving to go and see the mistress. I think that letting production film her in the bed was her way of trying to keep her job with Bravo. I honestly, I, this might be controversial, but I think this was a convenient solution to multiple problems for Rula. I don’t think she was actually sick, and maybe she was like heart sick. Yeah, she

B 27:33
may be very stressed out.

Amanda 27:34
Yeah, but I don’t think I don’t think that what she was saying was accurate. I guess. I’ll put it that way. That she was in excruciating pain, and whatever. I think it was more about preventing him from seeing the mistress.

B 27:50
We have all been through times in our lives where stuff happens to us emotionally that does cause us to be physically ill. So, yes, what came first, but yes, I agree with you. We have some more news about Rula and the Foot, and the mistress – her husband is the Foot, by the way. If you guys remember, the Foot, Brian, Rula’s husband, sued his mistress, or ex-mistress, for violating a confidentiality agreement from another lawsuit by making public statements and social media posts about facts related to an earlier lawsuit, then on may 5, and we’re the only ones that have reported this, so we love our Rhode Island followers. Thank you, guys. Beth Walker, the mistress, did a counter lawsuit saying that Brian broke it first by talking on Real Housewives, and that he made defamatory and disparaging comments on the show, on a podcast, and on Watch What Happens Live. When he and Rula were on april 26 she is seeking monetary damages for this.

Amanda 28:53
We need this is one of those places where we could really have one of our legal experts weigh in, and I actually believe that Bravo Docket is covering this. I just haven’t had a chance to see everything that they have said, but I definitely will, because this all kind of broke over the last couple days.

B 29:10
Side note, I don’t want to say the person’s name in case they’re not willing. There’s two, but our cocktails, who always come to our Zooms that explain things so well, can we ask them if they can come to a pod with us one time, and we could just do breaking stuff down. I would love to have the Bravo docket, obviously they have their own pod, so I don’t know scheduling if they’d be able

Amanda 29:29
to, because

B 29:30
just so I don’t forget, because you know I’ll forget.

Amanda 29:32
Yes, okay, I will make a little note. My hope for all of this, so now we’ve got two suits, right? We’ve got he’s suing her for violating her NDA, and now she’s suing him for also doing it. I really hope that these cases go forward, and that we get to see what all the claims are in the lawsuits, just like we got to see so much after all the discovery in the Blake Lily and Justin Baldoni. Sue, because this stuff is, it’s so juicy.

B 30:02
Something else that I haven’t even posted, and I should, so we have a record

Amanda 30:06
of

B 30:06
it. That’s why, guys, by the way, I post all the emails, even if they end up not being true, whatever. Because our email inboxes, Amanda and I get so full, and we forget. So I would have totally forgotten about the Amanda Patula thing. I have to post what I’m about to tell you, but a source from Rhode Island told me that the mistress claims their relationship was two and a half years long, and she has an engagement ring from him. This is her claim

Amanda 30:30
that really makes so much sense, because I didn’t mean to interrupt, but watching was it.. I’m getting everybody confused about where I saw it, so I apologize, but watching Kelsey, and then an interview with Rosie. I think Rosie was on Nick Fields’ podcast, and then Kelsey was on, was it Kelsey

B 30:51
Virtual Reality Team? Okay,

Amanda 30:52
all right. See, this is why I’m getting it all wrong. However,

B 30:56
and they look alike.

Amanda 30:57
Kelsey mentioned that there was some other stuff going on that made it seem like not so cut and dry, and that she, I don’t think she said that she may, and maybe this was Joellen too. I think Joellen was saying there was more going on than what we’re being told, and I feel actually pretty bad for the mistress, which that would make so much sense if they were together for that long and she had an engagement ring. Oh,

B 31:30
and here’s what I want to say: it is not that I lack sympathy for Rula, I really absolutely don’t, but Joellen is doing her job, as I think the other ladies got on board with, because Joellen basically said in this episode, I’m not bringing this to her, everyone’s putting me on this, but and she can’t say this part, but we’re on a reality show, guys, this is all gonna come out, and if we ignore it, it’s gonna make us look like we hit it, like why should we do that? Rula agreed to this reality show, Rula knew her husband had an affair, she has never denied knowing it right, so she thought she could bury this as a mistake from the past, but it was still ongoing until right up before filming, or we don’t know, maybe during filming, right? Like, why should,

Amanda 32:13
yeah,

B 32:13
Joellen, or any of the other women, not discuss

Amanda 32:16
it? Yeah, yeah, especially

B 32:18
don’t go on the show, then

Amanda 32:20
there’s clear evidence that we’ll talk about in a minute, but I want to first talk because you mentioned Joellen with this episode, so she mentioned it at the Mask Soft dinner, but then this episode we hear a lot more when she goes on a walk with Alicia about her Alicia, Alicia, why do I have such a hard time, Alicia,

B 32:41
Alicia, there’s two. There

Amanda 32:42
is a name, Alicia, I know, but there’s like.. anyway, I apologize, but they’re talking.

B 32:47
Don’t piss people off, you know how they felt about Rochelle.

Amanda 32:49
I try my best, guys, I really do. Although with the Rochelle Raquel, whatever her name was, I just started doing that on purpose.

Speaker 1 32:56
Yes,

Amanda 32:56
so Joellen was a straight A student, she was not doing drugs or alcohol. Her mother first sent her to a drug rehab, drug and alcohol rehab in seventh grade, but she got sent away for a total of three times. The last one was over a year, and in order to keep her that long, she had to give her mom had to give partial custody to the state, and then the state wanted to take full custody of her, so then her mom finally let her come home, and she described that experience as very traumatic and made her feel very unloved. Has definitely contributed to ongoing issues. She said that the last place, especially, left her suicidal.

B 33:36
It made me so sad hearing this. I can tell you that I don’t think this is as uncommon as I think we all think it is. I’m pretty sure this is very similar to Paris Hilton’s experience, and I think that back when we were in high school, around the 90s, right, I think that this was recommended to parents with wayward children. I know that I know people, I don’t know if it was quite as intense as the programs that Joellen, but I had a cocktail or DM me, and they said I went to a program like that, Soul Tracks. I was outed. I also outed one of the male counselors for sleeping with a fellow camper, and instead of my parents bringing me home, they made me do another session. I was 17. Joellen’s story helped me. I still talk to my parents, and we’ve done a lot of therapy, for better or worse, but the pain is still there. I was woken from sleep and kidnapped and put in a van that brought me to the airport and sent to Minnesota. The person lived in New York. My parents were given terrible advice, but it’s still hard to understand why my parents would do that, so this cocktailer said her crimes were that she skipped gym class and smoked cigarettes. She said I graduated with a 3.7 GPA, but because I skipped gym class and smoked cigarettes, they thought I was on the road to destruction. It’s still a touchy subject at 40 years old. I commend. Ellen, for speaking on

Amanda 35:01
it. Oh, it, and you’re right. I do remember there being a lot of press about Outward Bound and other programs, like Scared Straight kind of programs, when we were teenagers.

B 35:16
And listen, I think that it is fair to say, as parents ourselves now, right, and as I’m sure Joe Ellen and the cocktail, who’s 40, can reflect on it, was a different day and age, but also it is so scary, and I think that almost all of us know someone, or an acquaintance, or what have you, who normal family, or whatever normal means, typical family, not that there was like trauma or anything that we know about, right, that we know about, and one of their children is a drug addict, and I do think that it’s a real fear for some parents when they see behaviors. Listen, if my kids were cutting school and smoking cigarettes and drinking, we would want to correct it, and obviously these programs are hugely extreme, but I can see I don’t necessarily think number one, parents knew what they were really signing up for, and number two, there are also hugely expensive, so I do think that the parent, however ill-advised they may be, thank God for the internet, because now we can Google everything, you couldn’t back then,

Amanda 36:19
yeah, to your point, I feel like there was a much less of a lens on child predators. Oh, you and I, when we were going up, thought child predators were the people who pushed you into a van and drove off,

Speaker 1 36:32
gave you

B 36:32
candy,

Amanda 36:33
not people that were in positions of trust in your everyday life or in a program like this, and that since then we have found out it’s been camp counselors or neighbors or whatever,

B 36:48
coaches,

Amanda 36:49
coaches,

Amanda 36:50
and

B 36:50
duskyers.

Amanda 36:51
Yeah, there was just not as much priest.

B 36:55
I don’t want to go there, but come on, people that parent in our childhood in the 80s, the 90s were taught to believe they should trust. I don’t think that makes the parents necessarily evil. Yeah, I also don’t fault Joellen or any other person, Paris, our follower, who shared her experience. And thank you so much for sharing. I don’t fault them for having resentment for having a hard time maintaining a relationship, or a desire to, because they were traumatized, and yeah, it’s a very complicated thing. And I really thank you to Joellen for sharing.

Amanda 37:32
Yeah, and it, she helped our cocktail, or I’m sure she’s helped many other people, and I think it is, and it gets good for people like Paris and like Joellen to put a spotlight on this and point out the damage that it can do. So, at the end of the show, there’s a lot of other stuff that happened, but at the end of the show, we see the women all sit down in their jammies and Joellen shows them the video. So, this is the hard proof that Rula said she was looking for. They don’t show us the video, but the ladies tell us Brian hugs the mistress for a long time, like five minutes, I think. Somebody said grabs her ass, kisses her, and the video was taken two days before the polo match, which we now know that Brian did go sneak away to see the mistress that day too, so in Jo Ellen’s head, because Rule, it’s not still going on, it’s not still going on, it’s not still going on, and Jolynn, it’s still going on. Here is the hard proof again. What do you think Rula is thinking?

B 38:38
Here’s the piece that I can’t reconcile. It’s really nobody’s business if Rula decides to forgive her husband, if Rula and her husband have an arrangement, if she wants to work through things because she wants to stay married, whatever her reasons are. What I can’t reconcile is why she would go on a reality television show when she clearly doesn’t want to share this

Amanda 38:58
and doesn’t seem to need the money, because she is successful in her own right. This isn’t so much. I

B 39:05
have to think that she thought she could bury it. She could say it happened, and everybody would move on, because it was over. She said it was over, like it has to be that. And I don’t,

Amanda 39:13
yeah, that gene is not too different of a gene that we’ve seen Jen Shah go on to a reality show while she is knowingly scamming people and thinks she’s the

B 39:27
victim here.

Amanda 39:28
Yes,

B 39:29
I thankfully have not had this situation in my marriage where there has been an affair and I have to decide what I’m going to do, so I won’t speak to or be like I would leave my hut because I don’t know what I would do, because I haven’t been there, and I’m not somebody who is going to make proclamations.

Amanda 39:45
Yeah, you don’t. Every circumstance, you really don’t know what you’re going to do,

B 39:49
and there’s so many different ways that affairs happen, and so many different things, and I’m not going to pretend to know what I would do, or to act holier than thou, that I would leave, or whatever. I can confidently. Say, I wouldn’t go on a reality show if I was trying to work on my marriage and keep my family as a unit.

Amanda 40:04
Yeah, I completely agree

B 40:07
that I can say whether I would forgive or not is not even the point, because everyone makes their own decisions. Some women do forgive, some women leave the marriage, that’s everyone’s personal, whatever they decide. I don’t know what she’s thinking,

Amanda 40:18
foolhardiness, I don’t know. Yeah, so this week I mentioned Rosie was on the Vile Files podcast, so she claims on this podcast, so another thing that’s happening off screen that will probably end up being on screen, but Rosie claims that Kelsey, who had the Sugar Daddy older rich boy event, had already broken up with the sugar daddy rich boyfriend over two years ago, and that she had been living with Billy, who is the second boyfriend, and that she lied for the sake of the show, pretended to be back together with him, and that’s why she attacked Rosie. Is that Rosie thinks that Kelsey figured if she started attacking her and making accusations that Rosie would back down. Rosie claims that she knows this from his ex-wife, so the sugar daddy’s ex-wife, and from his children through the community. I think it makes sense. We all know that they were broken up at some point before the show started. Apparently, they had a good enough relationship where he allowed her to film in the house and make it part of her storyline.

B 41:26
Honestly, here’s my thinking. I think it probably is more complicated than that. I think that maybe they split two two and a half two years ago, and that there was more of an off and on situation, and Billy was a side player, because couldn’t Kelsey just talk about what she did for 10 years with this older rich guy and how she was now starting her own life and getting back into makeup and hair and Billy was her new boyfriend but she wasn’t sure he’d be able to provide the lifestyle that she enjoyed I understand the fancy house piece of it I think just think there’s a way to tie that in there’s a way for her to be like and I still have all my stuff there, because he’s never here, so let’s all go over there, and you’ll see the fancy house that I lived in, and pack up, and what I feel like, maybe they did split two and a half years ago, but maybe they were still off and on, and not in a real.. I don’t feel like she literally moved all her stuff back in the house, and they really hadn’t hooked up in two years. I think it’s probably more layered than that.

Amanda 42:21
Yeah,

B 42:22
I think maybe it, they weren’t as much together as they had been in previous years, but there had to still.. why would the guy okay that for her to move back in for the show? It’s possible. I just don’t see how it helps her storyline, because she still has.. she still had the relationship for a long time. She still had the life of a kept woman, so that all still existed, whether it ended two years ago or was ending in front of our face. I don’t know.

Amanda 42:44
Yeah. Oh,

B 42:45
and like, what’s Billy’s story? Billy’s just letting her play him, looking like a cuckold.

Amanda 42:49
Wow, I mean, first of all, I was just gonna say, we all know not all breakups are just clean. We’re done. We never talk to each other again. A lot of them are not. A lot of them are prolonged, and people fall back into bed together, or whatever. No, Billy is giving doormat pushover to me. I just don’t see it with him and Kelsey. We did also learn that Joellen hooked up with Kelsey’s sugar daddy, speaking of the ex-boyfriend and his brother,

B 43:21
you know, good for her. I’m not sure why I thought she was with Gary since high school, but then I’m like, oh, that’s because the sister hooked up with him. So Joellen’s younger, maybe three or four years younger. So obviously her and Gary got together after, and so at some point she was a single girl hooking up with people, and I love how Joelle owns it. Yeah, I did. I was going through a whole phase, and I can, so, see Joe Ellen. This is a small knit community. I’m sure she was the it girl that all the boys liked, and good for her.

Amanda 43:47
She’s gorgeous.

B 43:48
I hope she got, I hope she got some bags and good clothing out of it, if they’re so rich and willing to give. And also, good for the sugar daddy. You know what, he seems like a very generous man. And as long as all parties are consenting, who the hell’s business

Amanda 44:03
is it? It’s all of ours.

B 44:06
We’ve all done more for less. Amanda,

Amanda 44:09
oh my god. Okay, so let’s move on to the valley, because we haven’t been talking about it as much, but last night’s episode really pulled me right back in. It was so good, maybe partially because Brittany was barely on

B 44:25
it. Yes, and apparently Brittany got more work done. Oh, yeah, yeah, that’s what the DM said. I mean, I don’t know, I.. I don’t think she’s a bad person. She just annoys me. Like, if I had to listen to that laugh, I would be out there, would be no friendship.

Amanda 44:42
It’s like a dolphin,

B 44:44
and it’s like a nervous tick too. It’s

Amanda 44:46
yes, yes,

B 44:48
the way Danny speaks to me, I hear, and we’re gonna get into this because we could all get annoyed with Janet, and Janet could obviously approach. Things in a better manner, but what if Janet’s annoying, but also not wrong, and Danny’s an asshole, and I really, Lala stepping in and checking him, and then him mocking her about being triggered was so inappropriate, but also the Nia and her confessional was like, I thought two things: first, it’s none of your business, and second, thank God someone else agrees with me, and I was just like, “Oh, Nia, you need help.

Amanda 45:25
This whole situation, though, I think is.. I look at.. I just feel for Nia, because here she is, like she is trying to do everything she can to keep them on the show. They’ve got.. keep

Speaker 1 45:40
him

B 45:40
sober because he is allergic to alcohol. The man,

Amanda 45:43
yeah. And then bringing the baby, the baby is, is little tiny, she is little teeny. He, Danny, is pressuring her to have even more kids when the man can’t even get a swaddle blanket for himself and swaddle the baby. So I’m looking, I’m watching this, I’m like, so this is telling me that every night at bedtime, when it’s just them at home, Nia is putting all of these, she’s doing all of this, she’s doing it all, if he can’t even figure out how, while he’s just trying to get a baby, go get his ass up, go pick up a swaddle blanket and deal with it, freaking man baby, he is a man baby, and that he is Nia’s fifth child, and this man wants her pregnant and barefoot at home. The

Speaker 1 46:30
mask, he needs a

B 46:30
timeout, is what he needs. Good spanking is what he needs.

Amanda 46:33
You can do that. I have no.. oh, he had a mask slipped. By the

B 46:39
way, it occurred to me, he looks a little bit like Nicholas Shea in a way.

Amanda 46:42
Oh, yeah, I can kind of see that. I did find him annoying before, but now I just really think,

Speaker 1 46:48
yes,

Amanda 46:48
a selfish man baby. He wants the kids because I think he looks at it as this badge of honor, but he does not want the work that comes in with it. Having small children is not for the faint of heart. I said that to my husband like five times last night, while we’re watching this, and, and the postpartum hormones, that is a real thing. He is being exposed, and to your point, maybe Janet was right along. She’s still been annoying, and probably has not, and definitely has not approached things in the right way. But it was interesting, Walla was watching him like a hawk, and she clocked his behavior, and had things to say,

B 47:25
and not one of the guys there could back Lala up, or at least say, like Jesse couldn’t say to Danny, “Stop talking to Lala like that. And while you’re at it, knock it off talking to your wife like that as well. It’s disappointing, Schwartz, Jason, Jason, okay, Jason, and him have beef, but like Luke, we didn’t see any of them clock him last night. I’ll watch what happens live. Lala said, I hope Nia leaves Danny.

Amanda 47:47
Yeah,

B 47:47
here’s the thing, they have four little kids. You don’t wish that on anyone. I hope that Danny gets in counseling. I hope they do marriage counseling. I hope he does individual counseling. I hope that Nia finds a way to establish some more assertiveness in her relationship. I don’t wish that on them. I just, it does seem that Nia loves Danny very much, so I try to remember that, although he, yes, he seems useless as tits on a bull where parenting is concerned, it is overwhelming for both people in the couple, yeah, so we aren’t seeing Danny’s best version. I would like to believe that Nia knows him better than we do, better than a few bad clips show. I do think I don’t want to use the word alcoholic, because I don’t know, I do think that we watch him on TV have a couple of drinks and White Claw and a beer, which is not like drinking straight vodka, and his personality changes in front of the cameras, in front of our faces. And I do think if it is fair for Nia to say you are not allowed to drink in any capacity, and I know that’s hard, and I for him to do, and for whatever, but I do think that I do think that ultimately, in the long run, the relationship won’t get better if he doesn’t stop drinking.

Amanda 49:00
It never seems to go anywhere good when he drinks, so

B 49:03
I had somebody, I had a friend who stopped drinking, and he said to me, “Bad things didn’t always happen when I drank, but bad things I can’t. In other words, it wasn’t that every time he drank, he got into a fist fight, and he was terrible, but anytime something bad happened, it was because he was drinking,

Amanda 49:20
yeah,

B 49:21
so okay, he could go out and drink with his friends and have a fun night, and everything would be fine, but then the next time he would go out and get into an argument with somebody over nonsense, and it would be really bad, and so he’s so those things never happened to me when I was sober, so now that I have removed drinking, they never happen,

Amanda 49:35
yeah,

B 49:36
so it wasn’t that every time it happened, but it happened, so why am I going to continue to do that to myself?

Amanda 49:42
Yeah,

B 49:42
and this person did it for himself. It wasn’t a threat. It was like he acknowledged that this was something that happened, and he was like, I don’t want this to happen in my life. I don’t want to argue with my friends and family, because alcohol tells me to do that. So, I’m going to stop drinking alcohol. And very happy since. And the person happens to be Callie, so. They’re so good for them.

Amanda 50:00
Yeah, my favorite moment, probably. I like cackled out loud is when Jesse and Lacey and Janet and Jason are sitting down at the table, and Jesse called Janet out for giving essentially one of her no apology apologies, and he goes, this is the kind of apology that makes everyone hate you for it’s like, ah, he clocked it perfectly. The Michelle and Lacey thing, we gotta talk,

B 50:26
you know.

B 50:26
I like Michelle independently, I like Lacey independently. It’s just, it’s so hard because if they didn’t have to film a show together, they would never be the, they wouldn’t have to do any of this, right? They could just dislike each other separately, and the two could co-parent and leave it like that. It’s just so uncomfortable to watch, to be honest. And

Amanda 50:44
I will say, though, I like – I like Michelle in moments, too. But it really bothered me that Michelle couldn’t give a real apology, that she was just trying to wave it off and saying, “I just want to move on. I just want to move on. Yes, Michelle had some very valid concerns about Lacy meeting her daughter before she was supposed to, but I put that on Jesse, not on Lacy, that’s not sees Lacey does not have, is not privy to all of the conversations or agreements that Jesse and Michelle have made, but the fact that there were multiple texts where Michelle called Lacey ugly and said she should never be my daughter’s stepdad, she’s ugly. That Michelle could not apologize for that. That really bothered me

B 51:31
100% It bothered me too, but it also speaks to what I said. Michelle isn’t interested in a friendship with her. I do think that Lacey is more interested in it and more able to do it, whereas Michelle doesn’t want to like her and is being forced to, because they’re filming a show together.

Speaker 1 51:47
Yeah,

B 51:48
and honestly, and I’m not saying that’s the right choice. I think, and know that it’s always a more successful relationship for the children when everybody can get along, right? You don’t have to be best friends, but Michelle actively wants to Lacey dislike her.

Amanda 52:02
Yeah,

B 52:03
it’s just very obvious, like she doesn’t want to like her.

Amanda 52:06
I loved Lacy making Jessie apologize, and then tell him,

B 52:10
oh, can I say one more

Speaker 1 52:11
thing?

Amanda 52:11
Yeah,

B 52:12
something we learned this season that I don’t think we knew is that Lacey and Jesse knew each other before she was married, and he was married to Michelle, and I think they were either liked each other, flirty, or actually dated. I forget how they worded it. To be fair to Michelle, that is different than him meeting somebody new.

Amanda 52:28
Yeah,

B 52:28
I don’t know. I could see, and in that context they remained friends. And I’m not saying that Lacey did anything inappropriately romantically with Jesse, or that Jesse did anything inappropriately, but I don’t fault Michelle. If my husband had somebody dated, kind, a little bit, and then throughout our marriage they kept in touch. They were friends, and I never worried or was like concerned about it, whatever. But then very soon after we split, they’re all of a sudden in a relationship, and she’s meeting my kid too early. I don’t know that I wouldn’t be petty, like,

Amanda 52:57
because she wrote the playbook, because she did it first,

B 53:00
as far as meeting too quick, yeah.

Amanda 53:02
And Aaron, she and Aaron had a friendly relationship, and they kept in touch during their marriage. And then they jumped right into a relationship, and

B 53:10
oh, I forgot they knew each other before.

Amanda 53:12
Yeah,

Speaker 1 53:13
you’re right,

Amanda 53:13
that’s.. I think it’s because Michelle just is mad.

Speaker 1 53:17
Well, maybe

B 53:17
Miss cheated with Aaron, because I think there’s a good chance she did, because they will accuse her of it, and maybe she just assumes because she did it, Jesse and Lacey did it.

Amanda 53:25
Yeah,

B 53:25
so that’s why she doesn’t like her.

Amanda 53:26
I will say,

B 53:27
and maybe they did. We don’t know. Listen,

Amanda 53:29
yeah, we haven’t heard anything about that, but

B 53:31
I, so, but I guess my point is, did Lacey deserve an apology? Yes, but if Michelle is authentically saying let’s just forget it and let’s move forward, the best that Lacey and Jesse can do is agree to that, and then if Michelle breaks it again, stop filming, leave the show. Nobody’s gonna do that, though.

Amanda 53:46
I think Jesse really likes being with the woman wearing the pants. He seems to love being bossed around by Lacey, and I kind of love

B 53:54
that too. It makes me like him.

Amanda 53:56
Yeah,

B 53:56
I love a man that loves a bossy lady. Maybe because I’m bossy, I don’t know. We love you guys. Do not forget about our Zoom. Do what you got to do to be there. We are giving you more warning than we typically do. It will be may 26 7:20pm Eastern,

Amanda 54:11
2027 Yeah,

B 54:13
sorry about that.

Amanda 54:13
That’s okay,

B 54:14
27 If you are not a cocktailer, but want to join the party, because it’s really fun. Code my treat for $5 for the first month. We are running. Will it even still be valid?

Amanda 54:28
We are running through may 18. The

B 54:32
yes, it will

Speaker 1 54:32
still be

Amanda 54:33
valid. Flash sale for annual memberships only. We are offering them for $65 which is a very good discount. It goes until may 18. So, after you hear this, you’ll only have a couple of days if you do want to take advantage of the annual.

B 54:49
That code is Mom 2026

Amanda 54:52
correct.

B 54:53
That’s our Mother’s Day sale. We love you guys till next time.

Amanda 54:57
Bye.

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