Podcast 208: Met Gala Tea; What is “duper’s delight”? Thoughts on next season of Summer House

We start with some Met Gala tea to cap off Met Gala week. We were a little nervous for Ciara, but she seemingly avoided a wardrobe malfunction. Now that we know what we know about West and Amanda, was this latest episode of Summer House the worst yet? What is “duper’s delight” and why is everyone talking about it this week? What was Amanda’s motivation in going so hard for Ciara in her conversation with Mia? We have slightly differing opinions. Why we think Kyle truly was surprised when Ciara brought up a trial separation. Bailey and Carl: will they or won’t they? We think they won’t and explain why. Will we see Ben and Sabrina next season? We think not…

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Podcast Transcript

B 0:00
What’s up? Cocktails, Amanda, we have a lot to discuss.

Amanda 0:05
Oh my gosh, so much. But first we just want to say, first of all, hi guys, hi B Hi. We want to say Happy Mother’s Day to all the kinds of mothers. There are not just what you would think of traditionally, but there are so many people who act as second mothers or dog mothers or favorite aunts, and I feel this is a day to celebrate all of the maternal figures in our lives, and to be celebrated

B 0:39
and thinking of everybody who struggles for whatever reason on Mother’s Day, whether you’re trying to become a mom yourself, or it’s something you weren’t able to do, or you’ve lost your mom, or you have a complicated relationship with your mom, or your child sending love to everybody. Because I always feel as I get older, I think when you’re younger, you don’t recognize that about holidays, or at least I was fortunate not to. And as you get older, you realize that there’s wonderful things about holidays, but they’re also it’s really hard on in other respects,

Amanda 1:12
and all the things in your life that happen add layers to all of those days. Just any day can be feel a little loaded, if it’s an anniversary, or if you’re missing

B 1:23
not

B 1:23
Cinco de Mayo,

Amanda 1:24
etc,

B 1:25
not Cinco de Mayo. I didn’t even celebrate. Everyone was excited. It was on a Tuesday, because it’s a Taco Tuesday. But me, personally and cocktails know this, Tuesday is too early in the week for me to start drinking Monday. Tuesday, I got to be on the ball by Wednesday. I could entertain a glass of wine. I

Amanda 1:40
am not gonna lie, I had two margaritas. Yeah,

B 1:43
I just

Amanda 1:44
usually go past two, unless it’s a week, if I’m drinking on a weeknight, definitely not. But even on weekends, it’s usually about two. And that’s because

B 1:51
we have to function, because

Amanda 1:53
we are busy.

B 1:53
Ladies, picture I picture a time when my kids are older and we’re not carpooling and dropping to school and all the things, and I’m retired, I do picture a time where I can just drink until whatever hour, but then I’m like, I don’t know, hopefully I’ll be so relaxed I won’t need it.

Amanda 2:10
That’s what I think. But I also just, I picture myself wanting to grab a glass of wine with my friends after pickleball when I am retired. Yes,

B 2:20
that’s the thing I picture my retired life to be like that, wake up, be active, whether it’s going for a walk or hopefully I’ll have some sort of activity, which I don’t do pickleball, but like, maybe I will and or whatever’s popular in a few years. And then I definitely I’m gonna be a lady who lunches. I’m gonna have a really nice lunch. I’m gonna have a midday gin, French, 75 like, I’m gonna do it, and I’ll want to be done drinking by seven.

Amanda 2:46
Yeah, same. I’m more of an Early to bed and then later. Like, lately, I just want to be later to rise and earlier. Yes,

B 2:55
these are goals. These are goals for 40 something,

Amanda 2:58
definitely. Yeah, one of my friends lives near a building, like one of those apartment buildings that they’re building for 55 plus. And I, like, looked at it, and I was like, I’m actually not that far from being able to move in there.

B 3:14
Yeah, I’m

Amanda 3:15
far, but not that far. I’m closer than I am. I

B 3:19
feel

B 3:19
like in Florida, even the ones that aren’t 55 plus my condo, it’s a lot of it’s because it’s a lot of retirees, although it has gotten younger, I feel like in the last couple of years.

Amanda 3:28
Yeah, well,

B 3:29
but I digress.

Amanda 3:30
I forgot to mention, for those of you we are who might be interested either in giving this as a gift or getting this as a gift, we are running a Mother’s Day flash sale for cocktail party. So if you and it’s only the annual, but you can get the annual for 65 when our normal price is 80. So this is a really good price, and all you have to do is enter code mom 2026, to get that price. And we are extending it. I forget the end date, but it’s gonna go well past Mother’s Day. So if you don’t get what you wanted for Mother’s Day, you can also buy it for yourself.

B 4:09
$65 you get the whole year. You get the whole shebang, and you don’t have to wait to hear late tea. So I think it’s a deal. Definitely. Sierra at the Met. I just Sierra at the Met Ciara in a Old Navy commercial today with Paris Hilton, Rob from traders and Kathy freaking Hilton. Okay,

Amanda 4:29
iconic. I

B 4:30
got a little met tea. I know we’re all dying to talk summerhouse, but I just wanted to share because I don’t know the Met. To me, I don’t know a lot about it. I learned so much through the DMS, and I love to share when I learn something that I don’t think is common knowledge. So somebody told me, Hey, B, my brother used to work at the Met. Employees are allowed special perks with events, and the Met was always a big one. Tickets were a lot of money, but a lot of them planned all year on going so they’d save up because it was always a big night out for. The Met staff. The Met employees would get tables together. It was a fun night. The outfits weren’t as crazy as they are now. He said it all changed and got taken over. I assume they mean, when Anna Wintour took it over, allegedly, the first thing they did was take away the employees being allowed to go, so they’re not even allowed to buy the tickets anymore. They said the Met has a skeleton crew the day of the gala. They don’t want the employees to cross paths with celebrities. They are out of sight, and most importantly, they’re not allowed to enter the gala. He told me this 15 years ago, and every year the Met has just gotten more and more obnoxious. And then somebody else says it was never intended for it to be what it is now. It was for society in the arts, not Hollywood. And someone posted about how the party, oh, sorry, that was the original post. So it was supposed to be for the society the arts, the employees, not Hollywood. Somebody else sent me a message that said there was a party for the assistants and staff that was a couple of 100 bucks to attend, and it was always a fun night. And often the celebrities. Oh, so originally, the Met Gala was like for the assistants, for the staff, for people in the arts, it was like a few 100 to attend. It was a fun night, and then celebrities would end up going to the party.

B 6:09
But

Amanda 6:10
more fun,

B 6:10
yes. But when Anna took it over, it became this big to do. Do

Amanda 6:15
we know I actually wondered this, and never even looked it up. Do we know, I know you get an invite, but obviously it’s like being invited to any other Gala. There is a monetary donation or ticket price. Do we know, like, what that is?

B 6:29
Yes, I believe it’s $100,000 for a single ticket. And I can’t just be like, here’s $100,000 I have to have the monies, and then Anna has to approve me, most people sit at a fashion house table. So let’s say I’m at Armani’s table, and the table costs, I don’t know, maybe 750 750,000 and then that person invites their people. So I would imagine the big fashion people buy a couple tables and invite celebs.

Amanda 6:58
Wow, that is a spendy Gala. I enjoyed the Met picks this year. I don’t know, something felt different. I don’t know if it’s because the theme was some people just didn’t seem to really be going with the theme, and then some people went way too far with the theme. I don’t know, but you mentioned Sierra. Her Look, her body is insane, but I was biting my nails, worried that bottom part of her dress would fall off.

B 7:24
Do we know she was trying to look like a comforter, because she’s a bedbug?

Amanda 7:27
No, maybe I just was like, how is that skirt part that is really the dress coming off? Is that attached to anything? Because there was the top of the bodice that came down over her crack, essentially, yeah, I don’t know I literally, I was like, I just feel like anybody stepped on her skirt, she could have a real shoe. I think Beyonce is look was my favorite. I liked Hailey Bieber too, but

B 7:56
yes,

Amanda 7:57
there were some good

B 7:58
ones.

B 7:58
Was weird.

Amanda 7:59
I didn’t, I didn’t understand it. I feel like I need it needs to be I think if somebody explained it to me, then, like everyone Heidi Klum was way too literal. So that’s where I was, like, I don’t know the theme was just a little bit, just a little bit off. And actually,

B 8:14
you’re supposed to be 18, but yet Anna let Beyonce daughter go. And rumor has it, there was some blind circulating, I think, crazy days, Crazy Nights, or whatever, empty that Kim Kardashian was pissed because allegedly she was told no for her daughter, who’s similar age to go yet Beyonce and Jay Z took their daughter.

Amanda 8:34
Yeah,

B 8:35
it was problems.

Amanda 8:37
I kind of get it though, how many Kardashians could they have fit in that party anyway. All right, let’s get back to our usual Yes, summer house. So much tea that we got this week we shared in cocktail party. We were originally going to actually talk Atlanta and then Rhode Island first, but we’re coming fresh off of last night’s episode, so we’re recording on a Wednesday this week. So there’s some we’ll save some stuff for later, but first we have to kind of talk about the episode, because there was so much I don’t even know where to start. What do you think

B 9:08
I feel every week since we found out about Wes and Amanda hooking up or being fuck buddies, whatever their relationship is, Andy says to us, viewers, ahead a day or two before, this is the worst episode yet. You guys, you’re in for it. And I think this truly was the worst episode yet. So I’m gonna start with the beach. We saw Sierra at the end of last week’s episode and the beginning of this week’s episode speak to Amanda about physically separating, getting her own apartment for a short time. She even brought it up on her way out to the Hamptons with some of the other housemates and continue to date, but just physically separate themselves to see if they could get the spark back. So she brings this to Kyle’s attention on the beach. And what do you think about considering a separation while dating each other? Kyle looks shocked. He asked Ciara if she. Had spoken to Amanda about it, I do think, and some of you guys said to me they felt like Ciara was overstepping her bounds. But I think it’s a combination of things. I first of all, I think that she was being considerate of Kyle’s feelings when she spoke to him about it, and I think she really presented herself as neutral. Because even when Kyle said to her, I don’t even know what she wants, Sierra agreed with him, she was and I also feel, I feel like, I’m sure production said to her, somebody’s got to drop this. But I also feel like Ciara spoke about it with Amanda on camera, and then she spoke about it with the other housemates. So if she didn’t say something to Kyle, it would be wrong, right? So Kyle seems shocked when Sierra says, Yes, I spoke to Amanda about it. She says she would do it, but she doesn’t think you would. So I know you and I and cocktails know that we feel they headed into this season separated. I don’t believe they had separated apartments, but we know that their business has a couple units. So in any event, we don’t we believe they were

Amanda 10:58
sleeping in separate rooms, right? The New York equivalent of the husband being in the basement,

B 11:03
correct? It’s very clear to anyone with eyeballs and ears that Amanda had checked out of the relationship. My feeling is Kyle and Amanda discussed it, and Kyle especially felt, let’s not do it on summer house. Let’s save it for in the city. Do I think a part of Kyle was hoping they could salvage it throughout the summer? Yes. I think as summer went on, he realized that wasn’t gonna happen. Do we think Sierra knew that they were already separated?

Amanda 11:32
Yes. So I have so many thoughts because I actually agree with the cocktailers who think Sierra overstepped with one big caveat. I think if somebody did that in real life, that would be absolutely shocking. Here’s my thought. And I think Sierra, one of the cocktails said this morning, Sierra is usually really good with boundaries. Again. I agree with that. I think 100% that Sierra knew, and that Amanda and Sierra perhaps that this is the way they decided to bring it to camera to set up the situation for in the city, possibly even with a producer. I don’t think the rest of the House knew that Amanda and Kyle were sleeping separated, but not. I don’t even like using that works. I don’t think that. I think they were literally just sleeping in separate rooms

B 12:27
until

B 12:27
I

Amanda 12:27
also don’t think Kyle knew that Sierra knew, because

B 12:32
right? Or part of his shock like, Yeah, I think he was like, wait a minute,

Amanda 12:37
yeah. Or he didn’t know on camera that day, because, yes, he did seem legitimately stunned. And you know that Kyle is legitimately stunned because he immediately goes quiet when he’s always got a word to say otherwise. So like I said, I think yes, they were living in separate, maybe units or separate rooms that summer in New York City, but I don’t think they were like, officially separated. I don’t think they were calling it necessarily a separation. Definitely weren’t telling everybody, because I don’t think anybody else in the house knew,

B 13:11
right?

Amanda 13:12
And I agree with you. I think Kyle did think maybe we can turn it around, maybe we can save it. And I think maybe there was a small part of Amanda who thought the same thing, because why go to couples therapy? Otherwise, that’s if you’re done, if you’re done, then you’re not going to couples therapy. So maybe there was a part of both of them that maybe we can try to retrieve this marriage.

B 13:36
And so this set the tone for Kyle for the dinner, and I am in no way excusing his behavior. Do not mistake me, but he is now off kilter, right? So,

Amanda 13:45
yeah, definitely,

B 13:47
this threw him off kilter. Okay,

Amanda 13:48
definitely. And I think this is a really good lesson in I’ll get to that in a minute. I’m gonna hold my point. But at the beach, Amanda is also talking to Mia and brings up to Mia that she doesn’t fully trust West with Sierra’s heart. That’s not the exact words that she used, but after everything that happened with Sierra, Amanda said that she would die for Sierra and that she would cut off West immediately if Sierra even just gave her the look if he hurt her again. Period.

B 14:21
You know what I found interesting? And again, I have to say, as all of you guys, we say to each other on discord in the DMS, the caveat is, we’re all looking through this through a lens that is altered,

Amanda 14:35
right?

B 14:35
And I don’t know if what I’m about to say, I would feel if not, but it seemed to me that Mia was listening to Amanda, but it seemed like she wasn’t convinced. It was like she was giving her a side eye.

Amanda 14:47
Yeah,

B 14:47
I don’t I don’t know. Was she just looking at it through a different lens?

Amanda 14:51
We’re not fully engaged in the conversation.

B 14:53
Was she just zoned out having a beach day and listening, which happens, come on, we’ve all been there where our friends telling us something, and we’re zoned out. So I saw the side eye also. It could have just been that. It’s not even that Mia was suspecting Amanda and West, I don’t think she was, and if she was, I’m sure it was in the back of her head, and she was saying, I’m crazy for even thinking this, like that kind of thing. But I could see Mia. Remember, Mia and Sierra are very good friends. Mia and Amanda likely have met before, and they’re friendly, and Mia likes her, but Mia is getting to know her this summer, and we can all agree that Amanda’s behavior has been quite bizarre this summer, and I think maybe Mia was just looking at her like, I get it, girl, you love Ciara so much. You’re a better friend to her than I am. That may have been the side eye. I

Amanda 15:36
thought it was something along those lines,

B 15:39
because remember, Paige is gone, so Amanda and Sierra are the remaining bed bugs. Paige isn’t there Lindsay while friends with everybody, she hasn’t been there every weekend. She certainly was never a bed bug. But Mia is Sierra’s real life friend, and if you take the West Amanda thing out of it, I think I would have looked at it like Amanda’s trying to remain close with Sierra, and that’s Listen, we all have our female friendships, right? And we all have that dynamic where, when I’m with my best friend from college, and she’s with her best friend from home, I’m friendly with her best friend from home, and I like her, and I assume she likes me, but it does throw off the dynamic, because it’s like she’s my best friend, and she’s her best friend and my best friend. So it’s that’s just a I don’t know if guys have that, honestly, but I know that most women, I think, experience that, right? So

Amanda 16:29
definitely,

B 16:30
I looked at it through that girl’s girl lens, as I do, but now I’m looking at it through, I think I would have looked at it through that girl’s lens, but of course, now I’m looking at it through, you fucked her boyfriend,

Amanda 16:42
how could all of us do right? It’s so hard not to it was odd to me that Amanda brought this up in this way with Mia, that she first starts out by bringing up the drinks after Carl’s soft bar lunch that she called that a date between with West and Sierra. But originally, I think wasn’t it Ben and his girlfriend were like, hey, Wes and Sierra, let’s go out. But then it sounds like Mia was invited. It sounds like Jesse was invited. So then it became, became more of a group thing. And so I just thought it was strange that Amanda called that a date, Amanda,

B 17:19
if

B 17:19
Wes and Amanda hadn’t hooked up. It wouldn’t be weird for Amanda to feel bad that she wasn’t invited. You know what I’m saying? Yeah, you and Tracy were going out with a couple of other friends. It could, you could have, you could totally innocently neglect to tell me, although I was standing in sophomore at the opening with you girls, so I would maybe feel some sort of way that I wasn’t included. So like, again, if I was looking at it through a different lens, I would be like, All right, we get Amanda’s point. She wasn’t included me and Jessie were right.

Amanda 17:47
Yeah. She was like, looking at, oh, I makes a joke. I didn’t get a text, totally normal. But then Amanda calling it a date, that was the part that I thought was weird. And that whole conversation, I’m just trying to figure out what Amanda’s motivations were. Was she being jealous and trying to create issues with Sierra or throw up roadblocks for Sierra and Wes? I think it might have been a little more nuanced. And this is where I’ve been thinking about this since last night. This is where I’ve landed. I think Amanda was wrestling internally with feelings about West and love for Sierra, and almost as a result, going harder. And when I say in battle, wrestling internally with feelings about West, I don’t mean that I think they had, for sure, hooked up or not. I just think something in her head was saying, I have feelings

B 18:40
rushing for

Amanda 18:40
him, and it almost made her go harder for Sierra than she normally would, because she wasn’t sure how to feel, and protecting Sierra feels like the right answer, so she went even harder towards that.

B 18:53
That makes sense.

Amanda 18:53
I don’t know it the whole thing. It just it felt like a gut punch. And I also, when I’m watching these shows now, I just think about what it would be like to be Sierra watching these because

B 19:03
no matter what anybody says, they’re all watching. Come on.

Amanda 19:06
So then that night, it’s an action pass pack day, because Lindsay throws her the Last Supper dinner. It’s her second year of freedom. There was a lot of really funny, I think funny stuff, but she calls, she tells the table, Kyle lost his What did she say? He lost his wedding ring, and he found his DJ career. And then, as Lindsay tends to do, really digs in on this topic, with Kyle pointing out that he doesn’t make decisions with Amanda as a family, as a partner, as that he does things without her, and Lindsay doesn’t. She doesn’t let up. And then other people at the table kind of join in. And then Kyle loses it. He explodes. He yells at Amanda, who had not said a word.

B 19:56
The only word she did say was she chimed in to say, Oh yeah, he’s going to Vegas. Which then he had to explain, I have, I’m gonna have a manager, and, well, somebody, I think, directly asked about the manager, but after the Vegas comment, so she did throw that in there,

Amanda 20:09
and then yells about how she doesn’t pull her weight, and eventually screams fuck you at her and saying, we’re not in a partnership.

B 20:19
So here’s my thing again, totally inappropriate. There’s no excusing the behavior and the language and all of that. But this is further proof to me. So he was blindsided on the beach, and he’s, wait a minute. So Sierra is bringing up separation? Was this an original idea, or does she know that Amanda and I are talking about separating in the fall and that being like a thing on our spin off? And I don’t mean that they’re doing it for the spin off, I just mean that they decided to time it that way. It made this most sense to get through the summer. Yeah, was that an original idea? He likely didn’t have a chance to talk to Amanda, or if he tried to, I’m sure Amanda walked by and ignored him how she does. And so he’s spinning out. And this is, again, all further proof that they were I don’t even think we need proof, because we can see that they’re very disconnected, even if they were sleeping in the same bed, right? And Amanda, who didn’t say a word, was seems satisfied as everybody was going in on him, she had that little smirk,

Amanda 21:10
yeah?

B 21:10
And he explodes almost. How are you letting me take this heat when you are talking about a separation behind my back with Sierra? You know that we you’re planning on getting an apartment, like all of these things. We also don’t know if Amanda, off camera said to Ciara, listen, I really do want to physically separate. Can you ask me that on camera? So these are all things that Kyle can’t say, right? And he even cites he’s Yeah, at the reunion when you said you wanted to have kids with somebody who wanted them. That isn’t true. So I think he sees it like, I’m not perfect. I know I’m wrong, I know I make mistakes, but I don’t air our stuff out in the way that you do. Yeah, we agree not to discuss things, and then they come up on camera. That’s what I’m seeing. And I think also Amanda expects to me to make decisions.

Amanda 22:00
And I think he feels like the weight of the world is on him, his company, which is, I’m sure, part of what is their livelihood, and then the DJing, which, I don’t believe that he’s only doing it to make money to keep them afloat, but I do believe that’s Part of it. And then he’s probably, I need support in this. I need a partner that I can really talk to about this. And so he’s feeling like he’s getting none of the benefits of the partnership, but all of the responsibility, all of the responsibilities, which again, the

B 22:37
other. And then the question becomes, but does he deserved that after the way he’s treated her, and that’s a whole other conversation, but his feelings are still valid, right? And we also don’t know the way that Lindsay said it at the dinner table, and the fact that Amanda didn’t stop her, or attempt to stop her, leads me to believe, and I don’t have proof of this, Sierra brought up the separation at the beach, likely okayed by Amanda. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that Amanda and Lindsay spoke, and Amanda was like, Yeah, you’re gonna play that game. Do me a favor, talk about how he’s doing this DJ partnership without ever discussing with me. Yeah, and Lindsay, it’s twofold. Does Lindsay want to make rest good TV? Yes. Lindsay takes her job very seriously. Yeah. Does she know that the production will be happy with her if she makes this whole scene and she keeps going, even though she knows she should have stopped and stopped digging in. Yes, but it doesn’t change the fact that Amanda likely gave her the Go ahead, yeah, or even the or more. So even the idea to even bring it up, Lindsay’s pretty self centered, somebody had to tell her to bring that up. And I’m sure it was Amanda, and maybe it was her, Amanda and Sierra had a conversation like, listen, I brought up the separation, and then Amanda was like, Lindsay, let’s play a game at dinner, and you bring up how he’s gonna go around the country DJing, and we didn’t discuss it.

Amanda 23:50
And this is the last weekend, right? So it’s now or never time they have to bring this stuff up if they want it to be on camera. And that’s why this timing isn’t lost on me. That’s why these conversations are happening. And the separation again, because they’re setting up. They’re setting up in the city. And Lindsay, originally, that was supposed to be her, just her show. Now it’s more of an ensemble show. But Lindsay, more than anybody, wants this to succeed because she knows, like she’s not going to be on summer house every weekend, like she’s been because she can’t, right? But there’s

B 24:23
and she wasn’t this summer. I mean,

Amanda 24:25
she, yeah, of course, she wasn’t because she

B 24:27
but it also feels pre planned, because when Kyle says, fuck you, as predicted, as they all guessed, he would, Lindsay looks over at West and watches, I will. I stuck up for her last time when he said that. That’s not okay. It is almost like Ciara Wes Lindsay and Amanda had a conversation behind the back of Kyle, and I think the rest of the table and almost pre planned this, because we’ve all watched Kyle for 10 years. We know what his reaction was going to be. We know how he felt when Ciara soft launched the separation so that he basically played right into their storyline. Fine, right? And so West pulls his chair next to Amanda. Of course, nobody found it weird because Kyle was verbally aggressive, and somebody needed to step in. And then West says to Kyle, speak to Lindsay, and you’re fine, just don’t speak to Amanda. And somebody said that. What do they call it? Oh,

B 25:19
are

Amanda 25:19
you talking about dupers Delight? Yes, yeah,

B 25:22
supers delight. And I just have to say, in light of everything that has transpired, we

Amanda 25:27
just find out that is, by the way, yeah, I didn’t interrupt you, but

B 25:30
no, it just feels like more and more Amanda relishes in being the victim. So duper’s Delight is a psychological term coined by Dr Paul Ekman to describe the thrill pleasure or smugness a manipulator feels when successfully deceiving someone and getting away with it. It often manifests as a tell, a subtle involuntary smile, smirk or laugh while lying. It stems from the adrenaline of risk, contempt for the victim, or arrogance. And so I do not believe that Lindsay and West and Ciara were in on duping Kyle. I think that they, number one, had a goal to make a great final episode, and number two felt like it needed to be addressed after the entire summer of it, and Amanda gave them the Go ahead. And if anything, it was Amanda’s idea,

Amanda 26:20
because she was too quiet. She was way too quiet when there’s a chance to dump on Kyle, she’s usually right there too

B 26:27
Right?

Amanda 26:29
Yeah, her face said it all to me. It was very much. It was a smirk, a nod, a knowing smile, all of those just seemed very odd in that whole situation.

B 26:40
And I don’t know if I’m Ciara and Kyle, because that was Kyle’s wife, if I even care at this point if it was an emotional connection or a physical connection, because it ultimately became what it is,

Amanda 26:52
right? Yeah.

B 26:54
And somebody said to me, and I wanted to ask your opinion on this, somebody said to me, it seems like because at the beginning of the episode, they were like, Amanda seems good. And Wes, Amanda seems good. She walked in the house complaining. They said it seemed like Amanda, to your point, was like, wrestling with her feelings, but was like, crushing on him, and they think that she went for it. And of course, Wes was like, hey, sure, why not? You’re hot. I want to hook up with you. And I’m like, I don’t know. It’s I will never really know right, because they’re never going to be honest with the timeline, and nobody believes it was February.

Amanda 27:26
I think Amanda has always seemed to have a soft spot for West. I think they were close as friends, and I think it did turn to more. My husband actually has a theory that men and women cannot be 100% platonic. He thinks either the man or the woman has at least 5% if you think of from 0% to 100% at least 5% of a well maybe thought, and I have debated this with him, and ultimately, I do think he actually, because I’ve had a lot of guy friends that it hasn’t gone anywhere. But I think you might be right about that. So

B 28:06
that doesn’t make sense to me, because then it’s one of the parties is a zero,

Amanda 28:10
no. It doesn’t add up to 100 I’m just saying, if you’re like,

B 28:14
both

B 28:14
parties are 5%

Amanda 28:15
they could be like both people could be 100% and then they’re definitely not platonic anymore, but there could be 5% of somebody who’s maybe, and the other person might be, but that’s

B 28:25
such a broad theory, and it doesn’t mean you’d act on it, right? It

Amanda 28:28
doesn’t mean you are,

B 28:29
let’s

B 28:29
say you’re, let’s say you’re completely happily married, right? Totally happily married. And you have a friend, I’m gonna as a woman, I’m gonna speak. And you have a friend who’s a wonderful person, attractive, totally nice. They’re a colleague. You work with them. Zero intention of having an affair, nothing if you were in a different life circumstance. If they got divorced and you were widowed, could you end up together? Yeah. But like all those variables would have to change for that to happen. So it’s almost like if people are in the same age wheelhouse, depending on how high or low you’re willing to go with your age differential, and they’re, like, somewhat attracted to each other. That could happen with anybody that’s like saying, If my husband’s attractive, you would say my husband’s attractive. I would say your husband’s attractive. If I drop dead and your husband dropped dead, yeah, maybe you and my husband would get together, but I don’t know.

Amanda 29:18
So my husband, Siri, is not would anything. Is that a 5% chance that something would happen? It’s a 5% of them might have more than a platonic there’s a on a 5% 5% five out of 100 maybe there is something there, because his whole thought is,

B 29:36
any

B 29:36
straight man would want to bang us? Amanda,

Amanda 29:38
the man’s mind, yeah, it’s just,

B 29:39
if the woman

B 29:40
is attractive, I hate to I hate and this is not from a place of being conceited, but I really feel like any straight guy and even some gays, if you have a good friend who’s a woman, you’re her friend because you like her and you like her qualities, whatever those qualities are. And so unless you have an aversion to how she looks physically, which is really. Air, because when you have a friend, they become attractive to you, even if they otherwise wouldn’t. I think every guy friend I have ever had probably would have slept with me. Have that said, Yes, I

B 30:10
mean

Amanda 30:10
husband’s point.

B 30:11
I don’t mean that they would cheat on their wife or that they would like do anything. I just mean that, given the right circumstance, they like my personality and I’m pretty, I’m attractive, so why wouldn’t they? Yeah, is that conceited? I just have always felt that way. No,

Amanda 30:24
but Okay, so then you agree with my husband, because I have, I have debated with him about this, that

B 30:32
I can tell you that there’s 0% of male friends you have that wouldn’t sleep with you if they weren’t married, or if they’re not married, if given the chance, how about that? Okay, so I’m with your husband.

Amanda 30:43
Okay, so I think that. I think

B 30:48
it’s different for women, though. I will tell you that because just because a guy’s good looking doesn’t necessarily mean I’m attracted to them or they’re my type. I think men and women operate differently.

Amanda 30:57
I agree. I totally agree.

B 30:59
There are

B 30:59
guys who are like good looking from a just I would say, yes, they’re handsome, but I wouldn’t, there wouldn’t be a circumstance where I would be attracted.

Amanda 31:06
I think we should debate this on the podcast channel, on Discord guys, and get everyone’s thoughts, because I feel like I really do. I do have this debate with my husband quite a bit, and I think it’s an interesting conversation, because his whole point, I’m like, I’ve had a lot of good guy friends. He’s like, Amanda, every single one of them has totally were interested. Yes. I was like, Oh, we stayed friends. He’s still he’s you

B 31:29
were, and they moved on, and they got over, and they were able to be friends, right? And some of them probably weren’t, and you didn’t move on and you’re not friends.

Amanda 31:38
Okay? So, all right, let’s go back to this fight, because Kyle goes outside, storms outside. Carl runs after him. He’s yelling at him, trying to get him to calm down. I think his intention, really is to just try to be there for Kyle and get him to calm down. And

B 31:55
Carl’s also got his own anger with Carl. Carl’s got his own anger with Kyle for the not investing and just a general feeling of lack of support. He didn’t put lover boy on the menu. That definitely sent a message. So there’s that,

Amanda 32:07
yeah. So

B 32:08
where Carl may have backed him up, like, guys back off. He wasn’t willing to do that. He was like, You know what? Let him get roasted.

Amanda 32:14
I think he was Yeah. And I do think he chased after him to try to help. I don’t think he

B 32:19
Well, yeah, no, no, I don’t,

Amanda 32:21
yeah, but we know that something devolved, because we, you know, we saw this before the scene even started. Like KJ is physically holding Carl back, because things get physical between Carl and Kyle. So, big cliffhanger, very intense, very shocking episode so far.

B 32:40
Yeah, listen. To summarize, it was a lot. I’m sure you’ve all seen it. We all are now looking at it through the lens of what’s happened with Amanda and West hooking up. It’s impossible to say how we would look at it. Otherwise, I think we would all agree, based on the last episode that Amanda and Kyla were clearly headed to a separation, I think most would come to the conclusion that they were they had already decided, but only Sierra knew. Kyle may not have known Sierra knew, which is part of the reason his meltdown was so massive. Again, not excusing. I just want to keep saying that because, like, we tell our kids, you’re entitled to your feelings, but you’re not entitled to behave any way you want because of them, and that fits Kyle very well.

Amanda 33:24
You can have a great point, but have terrible delivery, which kind of cancels it out, which, I think, unfortunately, is what happened with

B 33:31
Kyle and Amanda’s disposition at the table. And the way it all seemingly was set up, it just became a different animal. But I would like to bring up another thing that I

Amanda 33:40
noticed

B 33:41
last night. Then we’re gonna get to last night to the text Bailey. KJ was asked about Bailey and Carl, and he very because people have been teasing it. They, the two of them have been teasing it, Bailey and Carl. We saw them make out, but KJ just shut it down. He was like, nope, not they’re not a thing. They won’t be a thing. I have to be honest with you, I don’t see Carl wanting a relationship right now. Nothing about his behavior this season. Seems like he’s looking for that. I think that he likes building friendships. It could be to do with his recovery. It could be that he’s continuing to work on himself. He’s focused on his business. It’s certainly not Bailey, because to me, if he were interested, that would be the perfect person. She’s even tempered. He clearly gets along with her. She’s a beautiful girl. She’s interested in him. So I don’t know what the it is with Carl. I do know that I was told he discussed in his book, because there have been rumors, and certainly they did not come from us, because we would never out anybody. But people have speculated, based on an early season when he shared something about a sexual encounter with a man that maybe he is gay. Apparently there’s a section of his book where he shuts that down. And I just want to be clear, that’s not what I’m saying here, because I don’t if I thought that, I wouldn’t. Speak on it at all, but I wouldn’t even suggest something that could potentially out somebody. What I’m saying is he just doesn’t seem interested in a romantic relationship right now. He’s out in that place.

Amanda 35:11
Yeah, agree with you. I first wanted to say Bailey looked so gorgeous in this last episode. I’d see her profile during the dinner fight and just think, wow, she is stunning.

B 35:22
Do you know what somebody said? Somebody said she reminded them of a young Erica. Jane,

Amanda 35:26
oh, like the big guys.

B 35:29
Yeah,

Amanda 35:30
see that? I agree. I don’t think Carl does seem to be looking maybe he has something else going. Maybe he does have somebody that he’s talking to who has no interest in being on camera, and Carl knows better than to talk about that. Maybe he’s also just trying to keep himself focused on soft bar. It’s the biggest thing he’s done professionally in his life. Now would not be a ideal time to pick up. It’s

B 35:58
interesting you say that about maybe he has something else going. Because I do think that Carl, who’s involved so much, would likely seek a Normie. I think that although he thinks, I’m sure he thinks Bailey’s wonderful, I think he probably it would be a lot for him to have because that brings stress. He knows that stress he had the wildest relationship with the wildest reality star. So even a more even tempered reality star is still a reality star. And I think there’s probably a part of him. I would say, if and when Carl is ready, I agree with you. I think it’ll be somebody not that doesn’t want to be on

Amanda 36:32
camera. Yeah, yeah. I think so too. Okay, so we have to talk a little bit about Watch What Happens Live. So Andy asked KJ, has West texted you? And he’s because you had said before the reunion that Wes had not reached out. So KJ says, Yes, he did. He texted me the day after. I haven’t read it yet. I’ve been scared. And Andy says, Hey, do you want to read it? So KJ takes out his phone, opens the texts, oh, it’s long. So then they changed the conversation for a minute so KJ can read it. The camera shows him reading it, and then he says, Yeah, I’ll read it. And here’s what it said. So it said, Hi, I just wanted to thank you for your articulation and kindness. Yesterday, despite being hurt, I have been off socials, and I think I lost touch with how much hurt there was. I am incredibly sorry. Also sending you love. In regards to your mental health, you shared a lot yesterday, and I know it might not carry a lot of weight right now, but I am always rooting for the best for you. I know it will take some time, but whenever you feel like you’re ready, lunch or a phone call would mean a lot. In the spirit of healing, no need to respond. Take your time.

B 37:45
So first telling a person of color that they articulated themselves well is a microaggression that’s first in real time you were on the text. Poor Amanda is behind, so she doesn’t get to watch it when we do, but doesn’t stop Tracy. And Ifrah Yes, Tracy texted me, and she was like, Damn, that text make made West look good. And my reaction was, yeah, and Wes did what Wes does. He manipulated, which is why he will survive this, and Amanda won’t, because he says the right thing whilst doing whatever the hell he wants. I don’t think it was authentic. An authentic text would have come sometime before the reunion. I think he preys on people’s emotions. I think we watched in real time when KJ read that he did initially, he goes, Oh, he felt some guilt. I think he’ll shake it off as he processes it. I’m sure he didn’t even initially see the part about you articulated yourself well. First of all, if you said that to me, it’s a condescending comment, taking race out of it, what do you mean? I articulated myself well, why wouldn’t I articulate myself well at a reunion? And who are you to judge the level of my articulation? It’s almost like you’re smarter than me.

Amanda 38:59
Yeah, I

B 38:59
don’t think you tell another adult you articulated yourself, unless they’re professor and it’s a public speaking course.

Amanda 39:05
Let me separate the two really quickly. We heard from a lot of cocktails too, who said using that word articulate is a microaggression. I agree with that, right? Because the implication is, anyway, it’s I agree with that. Separating this out, though, from what you’re saying, If you and I are at the same reunion, I said that to you, it would sound like a backhanded compliment. Essentially, I don’t know that I necessarily agree with that race out of this, right? We’re just talking about, is that a rude thing to say to anybody? Because sometimes people do, especially in a reunion situation, have a hard time with cameras on them and everybody yelling. And I do think that. I don’t think that saying you handled

B 39:50
yourself well you got your point across is more appropriate than you articulated it almost. I don’t know to me, it sounds like how an educator would. Speak to a student, I don’t know, maybe

Amanda 40:01
it does. There is a tone of condescension. I hear you, and I agree with you. I did find it a little out of character that KJ read the text out loud. Because I was like, Oh, is he really gonna read that? I think KJ is really picking up pretty quickly. What makes good reality TV, like

B 40:20
we always say, nobody’s on these shows because they’re not messy. Even the best of them have mess or they’re not good reality stars. Also yesterday, Amanda briefly posted to her stories a picture, and actually, reality ops pointed out, and they did a reel and they pointed out it’s a picture of her from a while back. I think they said bravocon, because they looked it up. I guess they recognized the picture. Reality ops, the Instagram account, and they wrote into it, yeah, so it’s an old picture, and it was her smiling, a smug smile, I don’t know. Could have just been a Posy look, and she just wrote, she took it down pretty quickly. I have to imagine that the feedback was very negative to me. It just looked like entitlement. Okay? Sierra just came off the Met Ball, the whole thing I’m not saying, and then the other side of it the 30 percenters, right? Because I said from the beginning, it’ll be 3070, 30. And I think it’s actually a little less than that. I think it’s more like 8020 will be like b What do you expect her to do? Not post something antagonizing, like Boo, yeah. Do

Amanda 41:19
you know she could

B 41:19
have posted a picture of herself and just posted a picture of her? Picture of herself. It was the word boo that felt like, here I am. Gotcha? I don’t know,

Amanda 41:27
yeah, it was definitely like a, oh, you, I’m so fine. Here I am, the big bad, whatever, boo, that’s kind of the way I that’s kind of the way I took it. I don’t know how you Wes has been going back on podcasts. As we saw, Mia posted a video last night saying, I’m a couple of martinis in, and I posting a video to Wes, which essentially she says, and this was like Savage, she said, less podcasting equipment, more therapy. Less podcasting equipment, more dentist, because you’re missing side teeth, ouch. But West is trying to just get back out there and get back to normal. And I don’t know, so many steps along the way, I feel like they’ve taken missteps in how they’ve handled this,

B 42:14
oh, incredible misstep.

Amanda 42:16
But is just trying to go back to normal. Is that the way? How? What? I’m sure that’s something they’re talking about daily, is, how do we try to get back to our normal lives? Because we saw, just today, you shared on social media that South Moon under the swimsuit brand, while they still have the page of Amanda’s swimsuits, there’s no actual swimsuits to be able to buy.

B 42:43
Yeah, I

Amanda 42:43
can imagine there’s other brand deals that are just going away for her, and she’s probably freaking out.

B 42:48
I also, and we do have some cocktail summerhouse tea that we might as well just get to because we’re not gonna have time to do Rhode Island in Atlanta. I

Amanda 42:57
know,

B 42:57
but I do also, there was something about Wes podcast clip, and I, of course, would never actually listen to the podcast. He just seemed pretty upbeat. He seemed I got the reunion behind me, and I’m proceeding with real life, and this will go away. Also, he had the tragedy with his step grandmother that his cousin allegedly or is in jail because he’s the person the police believe murdered the step grandma the next day. He was at a volleyball, or excuse me, dodgeball game with one of his side chicks, ex side chicks, Charlene. Everybody handles grief differently. I’m pretty sure the obituary did say that the services the memorial would be a little bit later, and he doesn’t owe us anything to address it publicly. That’s not what I’m saying. He just seemed quite upbeat on the pod. It just it seemed odd to me, but at this point, they’re bitchy crackers to us, right? So no, nothing that West or Amanda can do at this moment is going to satisfy us or make us happy, and I can at least have enough insight to recognize that there’s probably nothing Amanda could post that I would be like that was good? Yeah,

Amanda 44:01
no, I agree, because they’ve just taken all of the wrong steps along the way. And it’s compounded by the fact that every week we’re watching the show back now, knowing what we know, and just seeing poor Sierra get manipulated. Because ultimately, that is exactly what happened. Because

B 44:21
whether it was intentional or not, it just feels, oh, this is the other thing. When we were at the when they were at the dinner, before Kyle had his meltdown. And because of the meltdown, I feel like this got overshadowed. Ciara was like, Wes said a nice thing about her. He was like, the best thing that I lost? Would I lost my voice last season, but this season, I got back a friendship with somebody I really care about and it was like a nice statement. But then Sierra’s statement was like, the person I love the most in the world. It was like, bam, yeah. And she went over and was like, hugging him, and he seemed very lukewarm about it, because

Amanda 44:54
Amanda was right there.

B 44:55
And if we were looking at it through without that, we may just be like, maybe he was just overwhelmed. And he wasn’t expecting it. But now, of course, it seems Yeah,

Amanda 45:03
yeah,

B 45:03
bad.

Amanda 45:04
I agree. By the way, we posted on cocktail party that Dara and KJ moved in together. So got it from a source that they moved into a building together in Brooklyn,

B 45:19
so we know that they had some issues in November, although that post that we originally posted, some people read it to mean that she was just venting about a fight they had and they were still together, which may be the case, but in any event, we know that he had some mental health struggles. Clearly, they seem to be doing well, but a year would be August. We are in May. Do we think it’s a little soon for them to move in together?

Amanda 45:40
I don’t think so. Either, they’re not getting married, they’re moving in. Yes, it’s a big step, but first of all, I like them together. But second of all, I think that people should move in before they get married. I think to go all the way to getting married if you’re not compatible, day in, day out is you should learn that so they seem quite serious about each other.

B 46:06
And as a New Yorker, I just would like to say it definitely makes more sense than paying too expensive rents 100%

Amanda 46:12
what about the other piece of tea that Sabrina was telling people, this is recently telling people that she and Ben are moving to Australia. Do you what do we think this means they’re not going to be on summer house? So

B 46:28
here’s my take on it. Clearly they could back up that plan if they’re asked back. But I think first of all, Ben clearly lied about being in a relationship. I forget which summer house person co signed that when they were on maybe it was Bailey, but they were like, Yeah, clearly he lied about being in a relationship.

Amanda 46:46
Jesse. Jesse, Jesse.

B 46:48
Which is even worse, yeah, because he’s friends with them, Bravo does not like that. We hired you as a single guy. You hid your relationship. That’s a no no. And just realistically, they don’t want two couples in the house. If they did, Andrea would have never left us, and Andrea was a much more fan favorite than Ben ever would, because we knew him for longer, and he’s Andrea. And if they were gonna have two couples, because Amanda and Kyle are no longer a couple, they’re gonna choose Dara and KJ, because number one, Dara is already kind of like in

Amanda 47:19
right,

B 47:20
but Sierra and KJ are such good friends that Sierra they’re gonna want to make Sierra happy if Sierra agrees to return to summer house, which guys I don’t know. She’s doing brand deals with Paris Hilton, so I don’t know that she is going to she may pull a page this. She may say, now’s my time to fly. But if she does choose to come back, she’s gonna choose, they’re gonna choose Dara and KJ,

Amanda 47:44
yeah,

B 47:45
I also feel like there’s more potential for drama, because I don’t really know Sabrina, so I shouldn’t say that, but

Amanda 47:51
I wonder if Sierra can even do the show fully and also do Dancing with the Stars. Because don’t they start, don’t they start rehearsing in August. And the show usually films until,

B 48:04
yeah,

Amanda 48:05
Labor Day. So there

B 48:07
they would

B 48:08
get they would fly her pro out, they would have studio space in the Hamptons. They could, they’ll make all that work.

Amanda 48:14
Yeah,

B 48:15
it doesn’t filming yet. I don’t think,

Amanda 48:17
I think the other thing is, and I think I know I am not alone in the fact that Sabrina annoys me. There’s just something that bugs I don’t know she’s gorgeous, but if a lot of cocktails I know

B 48:32
feel

Amanda 48:32
the same way, and so that honestly could be a big part of it too, is that just viewer response hasn’t been super great to her. And

B 48:43
I know what it is. It’s the fact that every time she’s on, she’s, Oh, tell them what you told me. Tell them what you told me about

Amanda 48:48
Yeah. And then we see him not go out and go to bed early and be on his girlfriend, which is boring.

B 48:54
He’s not setting himself up for success as far as back. So I don’t think they will be back. I think they’ll be moving to Australia. But the other thing is, she okay. Maybe I’m just a cynical person. She’s too. Everything’s wonderful. I feel on the spirit of people and all that. And whether that’s authentically her or not, that’s not a that’s not a good vibe for a dramatic house Mother Hubbard can’t stay around forever. We need some girls and Dara to me. And I’m not saying I like Dara. I’m just saying Dara seems spicy. Look, Dara and Bailey and Levi are getting into it off camera. That’s smart. I think that Levi saying all that stuff she said at the Page Six, real virtual tea event. It’s really smart, because guess what? Production’s looking and production is going okay. So Bailey and leave. I have some beef with Dara. We need new beef.

Amanda 49:48
We

B 49:49
need new feuds. We need the girls to come in, have a disagreement, hopefully work it out, and move on, right? Because that’s what these shows need to do. But Dara is bringing that Sabrina is not bringing that energy. That’s. I just they’re not asking them back.

Amanda 50:01
Yeah, yeah. I agree.

B 50:03
They do need strong female leads, though, because I don’t know what the cast looks like. If Sierra doesn’t come back, I would assume Mia does. I would assume Dara does. Sabrina,

Amanda 50:13
ain’t it.

B 50:13
Sabrina is not. Lindsay can make appearances, certainly. Bailey, so you have Mia, Bailey, Daryl, Dara, those are three pretty strong leads. I don’t know which way they go with Levi. They may throw her a bone, depending on what they find in casting.

Amanda 50:27
Yeah, she’s been quiet. But that doesn’t mean I don’t rule her out. I don’t

B 50:33
like

B 50:33
Abby. She’s she’s never going to be the main event, but she, we like her.

Amanda 50:37
Yeah, I don’t really have a strong feeling about her one way or the other, honestly, which I think

B 50:43
is probably in Jesse situation. Why didn’t Bailey look to Jesse? I guess Jesse was really hung up on Sierra. And that’s another thing we saw the last episode, how he was like, I tried to date the wrong person. Is there a world that this, that Sierra turns around and looks at Jesse in a new light? I certainly have. He’s out here singing for cancer patients in the hospital, volunteering at the camp. Noticeably absent at the Cancer camp was Amanda West was there.

Amanda 51:09
Here’s the thing I think about Jesse. So Jesse does. He’s, I want, I’m lonely. I want to fill that void, and I want, I’m looking for relationship. I don’t want to spend time dating anybody that I’m not serious about going to the next step with i and this is these are things that he said over a couple of episodes, but last night, when he was talking about being lonely and wanting to fill that void, I look over at my husband, and I was like, I believe that he believes that, but I don’t think that’s true. I do believe that he thinks that he wants that, and this is gonna sound like, of course, I don’t, I haven’t asked him about it, but I don’t think that his behavior is really changing that much from what we can from what we can see on the show and from what we know off the show. But I believe that he believes in so maybe that’s the first step to actually feeling that way. Yeah,

B 52:05
we love you guys. Thank you so much for listening, and until next time

Amanda 52:11
bye.

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