206. Kate Casey is here! Summer House timeline; RHONJ cameras are UP

This week, we have the always insightful Kate Casey joining us and filling in for Amanda. Summer House continues to be in the news. The “timeline” is still being discussed, with context added both by Mia from Southern Hospitality and Jesse from Summer House. We get Kate’s thoughts on the new RHONJ show and the cast. RHONJ cameras are UP and they are filming at the most iconic spot, Rails Steakhouse. What is next for Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?

You could always say, I just class these. Thing to say is, I like it’s in my best interest to move on from here. But how does she move her career needle forward? I think she was boring. Sorry. But for many seasons, this has made it her more interesting, but you’re not going to move the needle in your career by going back to that show. I would lean into things that get you out of the niche of Bravo and do things that are more mainstream. I had listened to you got to learn to strike the iron while it’s hot, and most of them don’t realize that they need to do that, and then they stay too long.

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What’s up, cocktailers, I have a very special guest here with me today. Hi, Miss Kate Casey. Hi there. Glad to be back, glad to be back. I am so happy to have you back. Amanda is not here because Amanda and Tracy are currently in Los Angeles. Yesterday they were at the Hulu get real event, which was so cool. I had such FOMO. I live in New York. La for me mid week. You can understand this. As a working mom yourself, I could have it was just giving me too much stress, and my daughter had something she didn’t want me to miss. I did have FOMO, but I actually have a I can’t talk about it yet, but I have a fun event coming up in a couple weeks. So it made me, did you watch any of the Hulu stuff I did? I saw, like, a lot of clips. But okay, so secret lives of Mormon wives, Orange County spin off is strange to me. Number one, Jen Affleck was not featured in that event, and I know that she lives in Laguna Beach. I know she’s trying to be an actress, but like, why do you live here if you’re not going to be on the spin off show. It’s weird. It is weird, and I have later in our notes to get to the Secret Lives of Mormon wives. But Michaela’s sister, McCall, one of my fathers, who lives in OC actually played competitive tennis with McCall, and she had told me a while back that Michaela was filming as like the bridge, to make it make sense. But I also assumed that Jen Affleck would be in it, and maybe she will be in, like, a small capacity. Also, I heard Michaela, and Michaela was in LA for two weeks, so maybe Jen’s not. I we

got motivate and listen, if they’re gonna just stay here for a couple weeks and leave. Why are we what’s the point of the show? And I think Dolores on Rhode Island showed us, and I have no problem seeing Dolores, and it’s all good, but certainly I think we recognize that she wasn’t really necessary. Yeah, not at all. Yeah. Okay, okay, we’re gonna get we’re gonna get to all that, but we’re gonna start with summer house at the Hulu. Get real house. Yesterday it was announced that Sierra will be dancing with the stars, right? She’s getting the full Ariana treatment. I know we hope her success is just as strong. We’ll talk. I think she should take over for Ariana on love Island. I think they need to switch, switch it up like that’s all possible, right? Or maybe there’s another opportunity for her. We’re going to talk more about her future, because I’m sure you have predictions and ideas about what she should do, but let’s get through a little summer house stuff first. Also Kate. I was told Maura Higgins was going to be on Dancing with the Stars a couple months ago, so that wasn’t a surprise, but I’m excited. I really enjoyed her on traders.

Can’t get into Dancing with the Stars that much. I don’t actually watch it, but I think it’s exciting for them to be on. I do. It’s exciting because there’s a couple of episodes, and then I get sick. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you are you do grab a mainstream audience. I think that’s what all of these, especially the Bravo labs, are trying to do, is that’s why they want to go on traders, is to grab a mainstream audience, because the bra was pretty niche, yes. And I think that’s why everyone wants trade. Personally, I love traders. I would say traders is better, but I’m sure for a certain audience, it’s less time, it’s less of a it’s two weeks, and versus dancing with stars, it’s like a lot of wear and tear on your body. Time in a studio, it’s hard work, but it’s all about brand deals now and getting more engagement and all of that. It makes sense that they want these crossover shows. So yesterday we were on your pod. We spoke about summer house, but they’re filming the reunion as we speak. Yes. Did you see the lineup I did? Did you Yeah, yeah. What are your Okay, let’s What are your thoughts? I thought everything. My God, can you imagine you’re Sierra, and you have to look across, and there is Amanda and West sitting together. And so my initial reaction to that was so just in case. I mean, I’m sure everyone at this point, by the time you hear this, will know, but you have Sierra Kyle, Lindsay, Mia Bailey Ben, across from them, Amanda West, Carl Ben.

Jesse, KJ, Dara LEVI So initially, everybody, myself included, was like, Why isn’t KJ next to Mia? And one of my smart followers DM me and said, So Sierra doesn’t have to look at West and Amanda, and she can look at kJ. Jesse Carl, I don’t know. I still think she has to look right at them was torture

your line, line of vision, I more so than even that. I feel like I wish Mia was next to her, maybe, or even Lindsay, because we have seen Kyle defending Amanda, and I’m not going to, I’m not going to knock Kyle, because I the thing, and I think I said this yesterday on your pod. The thing that I respect about Kyle is his accountability. He, I think, takes some of the blame for Amanda acting out in this way she was attention starved, or whatever the reason was. But how can we expect Ciara to sit next to him as he’s like going in on West but defending Amanda, that’s what I find the most, and I know that Kyle and Ciara are good, and like they’ve spoken everything, but his knee jerk reaction is defend Amanda and Sierra’s got to sit next to that, right? I feel like this is like a never ending story, like it’s going to be even worse for I think it’s going to be worse at their reunion, because they’re going to be little nuggets that she finds out, and it’s gonna be like a knife to her heart. I wonder if some of them just take like a pill to relax themselves. Remember Vicki gumbelson did that at that one reunion where you’re like you’re drugged up 100%

and Tom Schwartz admitted it at the Vanderpump reunion, like the crazy one with Raquel and Ariana. I’m sure that they’re well medicated. Do you think that Jesse is so bitter because he wanted to launch his music career, and this is eclipsed it. Yeah, I think Jesse’s also bitter because whether he knew or not, a large portion of the audience is calling him the Schwartz and saying he knew, and so he’s got to dig himself out of a hole when he’s I didn’t do anything like even if he knew, let’s say he knew. It isn’t like Sierra and West were cur yes, they hooked up in September. They hooked up in December. They certainly were hooking up. But it isn’t like they were in a monogamous relationship. And he was like, it’s not like Tom and Ariana Schwartz, where he should have told her, does that make sense? Yeah, although I feel like they all partake in the activities together and are weird, I don’t know that’s the thing, and it’s something like us, yeah, like in so many of the clips, they’re like, okay, but they do this every summer, flirt with each other and sit on laps and so weird. Like, the fact in the beginning that we don’t know about totally in the beginning of the season, when she’s like, skinny dipping, and he’s really Amanda, and their boundaries were weird anyway, because Jesse would be like, Yeah, you’re so hot and commenting. And everybody was like, Isn’t that funny? I’m like, No, it’s weird. Yeah. And then when Lexi was on and she was dating Jesse, and she was like, it’s nothing against Amanda or Sierra. I just am uncomfortable with the guy I’m seeing. And everybody was like, What’s wrong with her? Like, she was made to feel like the little she was. Let’s circle back to her. Let’s circle back. She Oh, she would be an interesting interview. What did she say happening? I am very curious on that note, what does come out? What if Amanda’s you know what? This is bullshit, because we all know that Lindsay and Jessie banged two weeks after had a one night stand two weeks after her and Carl called off their engagement, but it never got out. Why? Serious? I’m not. No, I just made that up. Guys. That’s a hypothetical. No, but like, why do they protect each other? Why? Because I think that certainly there are probably things that have transpired that either are when cameras aren’t rolling or and so if one of them finds out about it, let it go, because they want the same, yeah, coverage for their themselves. Should the and I’m the guys, the Lindsay and Carlton, the Lindsay and Jesse thing was completely made up, but now would be the time Amanda and Western backed it, backed into a corner. Now, I’m a little bit worried after this that certain people are gonna seek out opportunities to be inserted into a scandal or create a scandal, because they see how it has helped the careers of Ariana and Sierra, okay? But in both those cases, you can’t, just, like Dara can’t do this in a year. You know what I’m saying? No, I think it’s gonna it’ll be on another show. They’ll do it can’t be on the same show, so it has to be on southern hospitality. Yes, that’ll be there. Emmy hooking up with Joe Bradley, that would be a scandal in that arena. I don’t think that shows big enough that it would make a dent. It’s not big enough, but they would get whatever their level of exposure and opportunities. It’s got to be a southern charm. It’s got to be fair. Well, did it right after parallel to scan the ball, but Taylor hooked up with Austin, but Shep didn’t care, and Austin and Olivia were always like dating at best, it would be like Madison’s husband was hooking up with Vanita or something, or what’s the Sally? Sally, oh God, we found out Sally was sleeping with Madison’s husband.

That would be in our shake that would actually Eclipse maybe the other stories, it would eclipse it because Madison would murder her, and also she’s got a baby and all, listen, we don’t think this is really going to happen. We’re just saying the that’s what I think a lot of people are going to be gunning for, is that you want Dancing with the Stars, yeah? Like the passing barrier, right? Yes, right. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So yes, as soon as we finished recording, I go on, I’m scrolling and US Weekly has an article which is, oh my God, by the way, the website sucks. You have to click all these things just to get to the article. Yeah, I don’t like it. My website, bravo. Cocktails is much better, and we have all the same stuff. So go to mine, if it’s not originally ours, like we have, we credit, but we have it all on there, and this is, it’s no shit. This is what they’re doing. So it’s not exactly groundbreaking, but they’re exploring spin off options, figuring out what to do with the cast. You and I were saying, like, Kyle, Lindsay, Amanda, in the city, they’re gonna keep them in that lane. If you really think about it, Lindsay really wasn’t on this season that much, which we figured, thank God. Bless I didn’t. What was she just makes sense on that show. Sorry, no, but, like, I enjoyed seeing her this season when she was there. But, yeah, it doesn’t like make sense in the long term. They had to give her a spin off, or she had to go. What are your thoughts on the in the city trailer? Or, I mean, this looks so unbelievably boring, really so boring to me. In the pictures like that, everyone’s wearing brown, very drab. I think they’re trying to go for the fall in New York City vibe. They missed the mark. I don’t know. It did not look interesting in the lace to me. We Bravo and cocktails is going to be featured on it. Oh, nice. Because we actually, I believe, helped get Danielle Oliveira a larger role, because she was posting a lot with this guy. And I found out that her boyfriend was married when she met him, very newly married, because she went public with him sometime in 2025 did she know this? Yeah, of course she did, because she knew him like before. He’s from Ireland, Dublin. Oh, you know what, God bless the white No, but he lives in New York, like, part time, but he’s an Irishman. Why are Irishman cheaters? No, they’re the greatest people. I’m an Irish person, like we were the greatest. I almost just said my last name on here, but I’m Irish. I’m half Irish, half Italian, so same. But as a matter of fact, the stereotype is an Irish stereotype. Is not lover boy, that’s Italian stereotype. Yeah. Like, they’re not usually cheaters. I guess there’s cheaters everywhere. In any event, I made a post on my subscription site, and production reached out to me, and they were like, can we use this on the show? I was like, Absolutely, if you’re going to credit me and use the actual post, good for them, I could see that. Yeah, use that. So in the trailer, she’s all pissed off. I can’t she gives me the ick. And I have to tell you the main reason why, outside of the fact that she was always annoying on the show, I live in New York City. A lot of my followers, but also people I know in real life go out to the Hamptons. Go out to Montauk. Several of them have met her. Every single one say that she acts like she’s J Lo like when she walks in. That’s a problem. Yeah, that’s a problem. Could you imagine? I Yeah, nope.

I’ve heard that too. People who live here about Amanda Francis, and we like, yeah, to me, the minute I hear that, I’ve cut somebody off. I’m not interested. And on the other hand, it makes me like other people a lot more. I’ve heard from people that have bumped into Kyle Richards, that she’s actually super cool, very down to earth, friendly with fans, which makes me like her, because she’s Kyle Richards, even before the show, she was Paris Hilton’s aunt, like I knew who she was. You know what I mean. So the fact that she’s and she should be cool to fans, I don’t mean that anyone should be nasty, but it’s nice. I like to envision that the people this doesn’t usually happen, but I’d like to pretend in my head that their lives have not really changed. We all know it has it. Maybe it hasn’t in terms of, like, how much time they’re filming, etc, but their brain chemistry changes, where they suddenly think that they’re far better than everybody else, and like, they forget about their friends that they had before the show. I hate him when that happens. That’s terrible. Somebody who, just because we’re on this topic, I actually, I don’t like her on the show Janet, but, and we’ve been like, very Bravo and cocktails, and the fans have just been like, very unkind. Like, I am like, well, people hate her, but yeah, she looks like she’s like, a normal Ohio person, and I have to tell you, so at bravocon, the same way that Tracy was interviewing yesterday. So Tracy works for Bravo and cocktails, and she was interviewing yesterday at the Hulu event. She did that for us at bravocon. And, like, obviously Janet knows that we’re not nice to her, and she was really nice and gracious. And for me, Listen, I’m still gonna share it. If there’s tea on Janet being a jerk, I’m gonna post it. But I probably would be less inclined to post a picture and be like, can’t stand her. Do you know so be nice people. Okay, so this is my question for you. This article says again, this isn’t groundbreaking. We all are thinking this, and I think today, in real time, will be where Sierra makes her decision. Does Sierra pull a page? Does she say? You know what? I watched arianas glow up. I will.

Her, I would not go back to that show like possibly another opportunity on Bravo. But nothing with those people. Why would you go back? You could always say, I just class these thing to say is, I like, it’s in my best interest to move on from here. But how does she move her career needle forward? I think she was boring, sorry. But for many seasons, this has made it more interesting. But you’re not going to move the needle on your career by going back to that show, I would lean into things that get you out of the niche of Bravo and do things that are more mainstream. I could listen to you. You got to learn to strike the iron while it’s hot, and most of them don’t realize that they need to do that, and then they stay too long. That’s so true. I do agree to you that she hasn’t always been the most exciting, because she’s not an asshole too. She’s too normal. She’s, yeah, nice, normal people don’t sit with their best friend’s boyfriend. She’s never but I’ve seen her on red carpets, which I’m sure opportunities she got after she went viral with this. And she’s good and she’s beautiful, and so like to stand there and they basically tell you what to say. And you could throw in your own one liners, and that would be a great like the Giuliana ronick of ran sick. There you go. Paige is good to Paige’s podcast is, do you know I heard she gets like somewhere between 500 and 1,500,000

and a million lessons on giggly squad a week. Probably her tour, her and Hannah’s tour gross like $13 million they make. And now the show that they’re getting on Netflix, even polar absolutely and I enjoy them. I’m just saying, imagine if Paige had stayed and gone back to that summer house. She was above it at that point. Yes, her last summer, it was such a joke, especially to people who are really watch and know she was like getting black car service out there at Saturday at noon, staying for the party. And was like, gone by that. Do you know what I mean? Really, 100% they, like, got all the footage they could, the hours that she was there and because she didn’t need it. But I guess she was like, I don’t know it is, listen, it’s not easy to leave a steady thing for term, especially in this world, because the way people get canceled, the way people turn on, there’s no way to know. I remember thinking with Ariana, oh, she should, I wonder she’s gonna come back to VPR, and obviously she’s done so many things, and I haven’t watched the television shows like scripted TV she’s been on, but people say she’s great, yeah, I think she probably was somebody who wanted to be an actress from the very beginning. And reality shows are just not everybody’s skill set. I thought she was really boring on Vanderpump Rules, but she’s probably a completely different person. Is like a working actor, right? You have to be really noxious, direct, without any self reflection. That’s a narrow list of people that you come across every week that can fit into that category. That is, yeah, that is true. Like somebody wrote to me today, would you ever consider being on real houses of Orange County? It was like half the filming would be me in a car dropping children off, so that would be exciting,

and the other half would be you doing podcasts or like, screaming at my kids, like I like, I’m too normal. Well, you have a lot of them. Do you have five? Five that just amazes me. Yeah, I don’t know how you do it barely. I know I too, and same. So Mia was on watch. What Happens Live last night? I’m sure, have you so I thought you were talking to my oldest. Is Mia. So, oh, wait, she was on watch. We’d have to have a talk with her, because we don’t want her on reality television. I’m hoping for your safe. She’s super what she does watch. It’s again, just to talk about like the kids for a minute. And your kids may watch some of this stuff too, but the high school girls, they’re not watching this stuff. They watch Temptation Island and love Island. That’s what they’re into. First of all, island they called

why she’s they’re all ugly. I don’t honestly, I have to watch love island because a lot of the followers want us to I’m not that excited Temptation Island. You remember the original one? Of course, I’m friends with regal Wahlberg. He’s great. Oh, with that post. Yes, I love it, although, so the first one, I feel was legit, and then when it came back years later, the first one of that one, I felt was legit. But since then, I’m like, these aren’t real couples. There was one contestant on the show, and I became buddies with him, and imagine my hilarious surprise that he keeps being photographed with all the summer house people this season. Who is it? His name’s Johnny Alexander. So I text him, I’m like, Johnny, I feel like I’m dying. You’re just you keep popping up in all these pictures. And I said, Why aren’t you getting on the city? And then I forgot what he said. He said. He was like, I don’t know, I said you, but you know what, you need to be on perfect match. So that’s the love Island, Temptation Island, like the other category, but this one perfect match is more taking old reality stars and putting, like I suggested, Ally Luber and she was cast this season, like, it’s like people who’ve been on a reality show who didn’t have, like, a love match. So love is blind. And, like those kind of shows, it’s, there’s a lot, but there’s nothing better than love is blind. But they also, I was in Nashville last year, and there was this bartender who’s beautiful, and I’m like, I’m shocked, so beautiful, like, and he was a model, like, a working model. Oh, wait, Temptation Island, he wasn’t. So I’m like, I’m shocked. You haven’t been on a reality show.

Would you do it? He’s, yes, I would do like, a southern charm or a summer house. He’s, like, the only thing I’ve ever approached for are the dating shows. And he said they had a guy last season on who was in Nashville, and he was a model and a bartender. So I thought maybe it was the same person. No, because I follow him, of course. And yeah, my friend Stacey, does a lot of the dating stuff and that job. And there may be people who are listening to this, and they’re gonna go, Oh, my God, this is a job for me, because it is a very specific job. She’s just on social media, 24/7 looking through friend groups, looking at events, then going down a rabbit hole. Who’s this person? Are they dating anybody? And then they reach out and DM them to try to get them on these levels. Hey, I’d love to have you. Would you ever consider being on Temptation Island? Here’s the concept for the show. But is there a girl that you’re seeing? Did you guys have a breakup? Or I feel like it’s also so normalized, because there’s so many of the shows now and social media, it’s so much easier to find people. It was more rare when we were young, absolutely, if somebody was on The Bachelor, I thought, Oh, my God, they must know somebody at the network. I’ve told this story before, but it was a long time ago. I was very young. We could look up the year, but I was definitely in my early 20s, and my friends and I went to Atlantic City. That’s love it’s a couple hours from New York. You’re from West Chester. Love it. And they were filming the apprentice, the first season with Bill ran it. So by saying it ran sick, ran sick, and Kwame and so my friends and I are there, and it was early, so I don’t know why. I think we were going to dinner first whatever. We were, like, dressed whatever. And they came over, and they were like, Hey, we need a couple of girls to sit with the guys from the apprentice and film. And we were like, yeah, so we sit down. They were Bill was ran it, say it again, ran sick. Ran so rude to us, didn’t even look at us. Yes, really, wow. Okay, tell me more. The other guys were fine, but like, it felt like we were filming something. It did not feel organic. They weren’t like trying to talk to us. And so what happened was, then these other girls came who looked like, listen, everybody, yeah, hoochies, so my friend looks at me, and she’s B we got to get out of here. So we stand up, and they’re like, wait, you have to sign a release. We’re like, no, cut the footage. We don’t want it. Oh, good for you, yeah. And then I was still nervous, because I was like, oh god, you’re young. You don’t know. I’m like, what if they put it in? Not that we did anything. We literally were sitting in one of those booths in the lounge with, like, bottle service and stuff. But yeah, if my friend wasn’t there, I probably would have been on it. Because did you ever watch the episode? Did you ever look at course, I did, and watched it with my parents. I told them I was obviously old enough to be in there. Was like, probably, like, 21 and yeah, my husband and his friends, I wasn’t on it. My husband and friends were, that’s when I started dating him, I think, and they were obsessed with that show, and I remember them having, like, a premier party. I still have a picture of it. And the funniest thing is, they all are, like, CEOs now, but the one friend that was kind of really into it started Uber really. They were like, they’re all so into it. Funny, maybe he was inspirational. Yeah, he created it. Oh, my god, yeah. Must be very wealthy. He’s like, the most, one of the most interesting people I’ve ever met. I love it. Have you ever had him on your pod? No, he’s not like that, but he’s the Godfather and one of my kids. You need to have him on Yeah, he’d be like, he always was, like, Why do you like reality shows? But that was the one reality show that they all liked. I you and I agree on this. You look back in time, how many people were obsessed with the premiere of The Apprentice, like that was a that was like a TV moment in the same way, like the finale of survivor was, I’ve never seen survivor. I don’t like competition shows, which is why you wouldn’t like it, then, yeah, which is why I’m I did watch apprentice here and there. If there were people on it, I liked, would you remember the bachelor? When it would be like the early days, where you never, I only ever watched when trishelle was the first bachelorette because I liked the idea of a girl picking out of all the guys. I am a feminist. I did not want to watch a show where there’s 30 gorgeous girls fighting for one Midwest guy. I just had an old producer of The Bachelorette, and he told me that he worked on the Trista and Ryan wedding, natural shell, yes. And he had to fly to my it was filmed in Turks and kiticles, and he had to fly to Miami to get hookers, because they wanted to make it seem like Ryan was, like, once, like a bachelor party, but he’s, like, such a nice, straight arrow person, and he freaked out. He was like, I don’t want this. What’s going on. But he’s, yeah, I had to fly to Miami to get hookers. I was like, Wait, What? What? And they have some good hookers in my head. By the way, he’s gay guy. I said they sent the gay guy to go get the hookers Miami. He goes, Yes,

taste in knowing who’s pretty No, he’s probably, hey, do you guys want to hang out or, like, talk about makeup and shows that we like? Are you gonna pay us so, Mia from southern hospitality, not your daughter was on watch. What Happens Live? I like her. I feel like she’s the breakout star. She’s beautiful. What interesting? She’s Interesting. Yeah, so she went on a date with West. I don’t know if you’re aware. I don’t know if you were aware of that. We, of course, had it in on a subscription site. So she shared last night that she briefly met Amanda Bravo con and Amanda.

Amanda told her that, Oh, me and West pre gained your date when you guys went out in September. That’s weird, yeah, but here’s the weird part. So it was weird to Mia to begin with, but Mia doesn’t know the whole cast and all their backstory, whatever. It’s even weirder that I have it confirmed that Sierra hooked up with West in September. So if Amanda is Sierra’s best friend, why was she excited for Wes to go. If Amanda really was Sierra’s best friend, she would see Mia at bravocon and roll her eyes and walk away. She wouldn’t like engage with her because she’s mad at not that Mia did anything. But you know what I’m saying, You’re not gonna encourage a relationship, a relationship with another girl when your best friend’s into a guy. So that’s another indicator. Like, even if she wasn’t hooking up with him, then she was a bad friend. Then friend, then, yeah, to say the least. Why didn’t they walk in holding hands to the because Page Six got them going into the our girl, Sierra, got in through a back door, and he had, he had headphones on, right? I think people do that when they’re like, I don’t want to talk to anybody out in the street. First of all, what was he looked like? He hadn’t showered. His hair was a mess. Are we going to discuss the rumors of him skiing? We need to talk about that, because decider even put out an article today, and I was like, Wow, that’s pretty bad. That saying that, the theory is that every time they say, are we going to take a shower before we go out, that meant that’s code for, are we going to do some drugs? Okay, so Kyle added car, is that what people do? Are they like, Okay, we’re gonna Is that what you do? You go, not that you would know, I’m just asking for the people, the people that are listening, please DM me and tell me this. So here’s the whole thing. Okay, so you do that before you go out. And why is that? You get, like, a surge of energy. And for how long? What is the point of doing it? Because then the decider article had a video, and they say, look in and zoom in on West. And you do zoom in, and it looks like there’s something very there’s something on his nose. I can tell you that it’s fairly well documented that, yes, he’s a raging skier. But why? Okay, so go back people Kyle out in what do you call? What do you get to go? I personally have never done it, and I’m a 44 year old woman, I think so when I was in my 20s and people were doing it, I still never did in Atlantic City, exactly. But my thing is this nowadays, with fentanyl in cocaine, I would be terrified, wouldn’t you, this is my point. Oh, God, I hope this doesn’t end at a tragedy. I so I have said it to people in my DMs, they’ll say to me, Oh, I did blow with insert the name of reality star, somebody that okay, because you have people of all ages that are Bravo fans that DM me. I’m glad you’re doing that. Yeah. And I said to them, but wait, can I like, don’t do that. Aren’t you scared? Aren’t you scared? Fentanyl and they so a couple things. They’re like, Oh no, because you have to go to the right people, which I’m like, That’s bullshit, because at the end of the day, right? Yeah. And they, number two, they actually freaking bring with them. There’s something you can text. You can test it to make sure. Oh, so that’s like a crunch again. I don’t have any personal experiences. This is what the youngins and my DMs tell me, okay, but we’re not worried about all of them. I’m worried too, but we knew this, Kate, because remember that summer when Kyle called out Carl and was like, and you weren’t just drunk, you were high on cocaine. Coming such a painful moment. Yeah, I felt terrible, terrible. But my point is, so when Carl stopped doing it, nobody else stopped drinking. So do you think everybody else stopped doing coke? Then if you say that, remember the scene where he’s talking to Bailey Carl is and he says, I can smell the alcohol, and I just thought, and she covered the glass. It just felt terrible. Then why are you putting yourself in a position where you’re staying in a house with people? If this were to be true, doing that like that’s well, because this is how he makes money. This is bad. I want your opinion. I need a rescue, but, but wait, quick, but again, quick question, though, what is the what is the cocaine? If they do it, what does it do? It just makes you happy for an hour, hopped up, and then you need it pretty quickly after. So what’s the point of it? Then it’s highly addictive. I think so once you start doing it, it’s also incredibly expensive. Yeah, there’s no upside here. I can tell you pretty much. I don’t know who currently does it, but everybody in that summer house. Now I shouldn’t say everybody, most people in the summer house, even people that would surprise you, have dabbled in that sounds very depressing. Do you think Andy Cohen has to pull these cast members aside and go, guys, you got to get it together. They must rule too, I know, but like he knows them, that must be, really, that must be heavy on one soul. I would think so, because what if, God forbid, something happens to one of the cast members. And I think people would be like, how much do people know? But you know what the truth is, it’s someone else. It’s someone’s decision to stop doing it right. But this is, this is actually scaring the crap out of me. Wow, I have said that about Carl, but I also recognize it’s how he makes an income. I want to tell you, I was shocked at how impressed I am by his podcast. I think he’s a really good interviewer. Have you seen any of the clips I have seen? And I think he probably is in.

An innately very empathetic kind person who got swept up in reality TV. Yes, I think he’s a good listener. I think he asked good questions again. I don’t know if he writes them himself. I think he probably does. He doesn’t know that he has a huge budget, I say, by Nick vial. I hope that Carl can not have to go back to summer house, because it’s clearly not a comfortable, natural. I think he’s having his best summer since being sober this summer. But he’s like a fish out of water there. Yeah, I hope he finds somebody I don’t like the way that his trailer, he can’t meet, he can’t be with somebody on TV yesterday. I mean, a normal person I like it to him to be with, like an elementary school teacher or something, yes, but the thing about it, he doesn’t. He’s not an earner. No, he’s not, you know, God plus, yes, not everybody’s into the whole stick it out, hunt it down, kill it. Everyone’s got a different vibe. Yara would be more into him if he was an earner. Or do you think that? I think they’re actually too similar in there, like, they’re just very like thoughtful, quiet people. I don’t know if that’s a good that’s not a good match. They need somebody who’s a little yin yang, yeah. Who do you think goes out to party after this reunion? Western Amanda, see Jesse and West youth, I don’t know. I don’t know about that. I think that Jesse is going to be real careful not to alienate Ciara Kyle Lindsay, yeah. But remember, he’s young, and he likes attention. He wants to be in the mix of things, and he’s got this music career he wants to promote. So if it’s gonna get him more likes and follows and attention, he’s got some tickets to sell, yeah, but I think that right now, the majority is against Wes. So I’m not saying that he writes Wes off or he like actually is as mad, but I just, I don’t know, I guess we’ll see. So you, I know what you think Sierra should do? Do you think she’s gonna throw a big number out to Bravo, and if she gets it, come back? No, I think I would hope at this point, and I think we could assume it probably happened that a big time good agent is now working with her, right? Yes. And they’re like, my advice was like, glamor magazine cover, all the things she’s doing, dance with the stars, become the new host of love Island. I also said she should date Michael B Jordan. And I think that, yes, maybe in the cards. I think she needs to do all those things. Don’t rewind time. It’s like you graduated from high school. You don’t need to go back. Yeah, you don’t go to the senior parties. No, freshman in college.

Yeah, no. But then I also, I’m like, okay, so then if you are a network executive at summer house, then what do you do? Okay, Sierra is not coming back. Like she’s got bigger, better, better things. You’ve got a single mom. She can bring the baby, pretend it, come on. No, no. Lindsay’s going to that? Lindsay has to hope that in the city is a hit, because she’s, I don’t know if that’s going to be that’s gonna be that might take two seasons to actually hit some speed, but I think they’ll give it to them, because remember, we’re going to have Amanda and Kyle on this post, this whole thing, so there is not a shot in hell that Amanda and West make it to summer. And if they do, there’s not a shot in hell they make it through the summer in a house together. No way, no way. So I say, Let’s we do, by the way, is Kyle? Is Kyle gonna be in the house with them? He’s single. I mean, listen, he can’t live in a house with these two. Come on. I You know what? If he does, I’ll go, Kyle, what’s happening? I feel like he probably could. I feel I Sierra couldn’t I think Kyle could? I think he could. I would just want to ask people, really, do you want to watch this show if it were like this? And then you have Kyle living with his ex. She’s still sleeping with West Jesse bops in and out, and once, where’s the party? Where’s the party? You have to get a bunch of new people. KJ, is definitely back, because fans like him. I don’t know. Where does Mia stand without she doesn’t come. She may be she’s maybe too normal for this show. I like her so much. How old is she? Do you know I should lose I’m gonna say early 30s. She and obviously they all look young, but she has a very mature energy to me, and so does her boyfriend. I wonder what’s going on there, too. He does. He seems like he has zero fun vibes. Yeah, he’s just about his business. Okay, let’s talk Rhode Island. Let’s go to Rhode Island. What are your you start tell me what you’re thinking.

Dino is probably the girlfriend. Dino’s probably running stuff for them, right? Take this as

supplying money. So I think she’s got a sort of affinity, because he’s probably been around for a long time, and that sucks, because he sounds like not a good dude. But then and the conversation with Kelsey, where Kelsey is, like, I had a dark experience with him, yeah, he’s a rough guy. He has a conviction. He’s a mobster. Why is he on TV?

But I’m not mad he is, because I just love all I’m like, what? But I feel like that’s probably what it’s like there, like the guy down the street, he’s lovely.

He’s a butcher, but also he murdered people. That’s just the way it is, 100%

and instead of the regular Ranch, he’s got a raised Ranch, because he makes a little extra money. And also all the husbands are look like total dodo birds. Gary’s got a nice body, but like, they’re not like killing they’re not very good look. But yes, because they make an extra $250

a week. The Ashley, who was on bachelor, yeah, her husband is handsome, very handsome. She was the first guest I ever had on my podcast. I like her. I just really she doesn’t fit in, but I like her. The husband’s lost in the coffee shop. What’s going on? She’s probably killing people million as an influencer, and he’s in a coffee shop with a machine that doesn’t work. How many times have you had a conversation with somebody, or at least where I lived? I feel it might maybe we should open like a smoothie shop or something like you realize you’re gonna make three cents and you’re gonna be there all the time. I think it’s the same thing he thought. He romanticized this idea of having this coffee shop back home in Rhode Island, and people are coming through, but he has to make the cappuccinos and talk to everybody about how they’re pissed about their order. And I don’t think that’s what you close it your wife isn’t the earner. Maybe they will now, yeah, with the TV Well, what my co host Amanda said was she thinks they’re probably hoping that the TV show brings a lot of business, but it’s like Rhode Island is small people. I’m not driving to Rhode Island to get a cup of his coffee. No. What are your thoughts on Joe? Ellen’s the husband, the sister who comes over in a mini skirt and cooks and cleans, and then when they’re in the sauna together, she says that if she doesn’t meet somebody, she’s gonna use his sperm. And side note, he felt her boobs when they were in high school. I don’t know if they would actually physically be intimate, but I feel like there’s an emotional and that, to me, is even worse. Do you think he just sees her as an extension of his wife? Almost no see, I don’t have a biological sister, so I don’t have anything to compare it to. I have my brother’s wife, and I have my husband’s sister, but that is interesting and but I’ll tell you, I have a sister, and she’s had boyfriends, probably because she’s a little bit more. She’s really, she’s hard not to crack my sister. She’s really very direct, and can be, can seem cold unless she knows you well, but I’ve had boyfriends over the years. Are like, Okay, what’s going on with your sister? Help me out here. And then, and then I’m asking him questions, and then I think that they like love some Okay, look at it like this way. He loves Joe Ellen, but it may be lacking in some of the emotional intimacy. And so where you’re around the sister all the time, she looks and reminds and has the same right gesticulations and mannerisms as the woman you love, but provide you the emotional intimacy, and that’s where it becomes the problem. I think that’s a dangerous situation. When the sisters clearly attracted to him, it also stood out for me. And I don’t have a sister. I have a brother who I’m close with. I’ve always been very close with him. He’s five years older. But even when we were kids, it’s different, because it’s a boy and it’s a girl, and there’s a five year difference. But once we were like 20, but the fact that she said her and her sister always hated each other, but in 2010 you competing against competing about boys or something, right? So this is what I’m saying. I just find it obviously her husband shouldn’t, her sister shouldn’t. They just don’t seem like they wouldn’t. Also she’s she’s gonna become a monster and go, this is gonna play out. She’ll be monsters. Oh, I’ve got this thing. I’ve gotta go watch weapons live, and then they’re failing me in this. And he she’s not there and anymore, because she’s traveling for work. She also traveled probably more to work, because she wanted to get out of the house. And then, on top of all of this other stuff, and then she’s getting attention from men that she didn’t get before, and then she’s not around a lot, and he’s your sister’s around, right? But I don’t know if he’s gonna go ahead and hook up with her, like she’d have to put the first move on. It’s okay, because he he might be like, I can’t cross the boundary with your sister, but when if she’s and she confirms all the things that have been bothering him and the things he needs to hear, Joe Ellen hasn’t been around a lot, yeah, but I’ll be here for you, because when you came home and you had that big deal that you signed, it meant a lot to me, because you have worked so hard for your family. She’s gonna say all the things that he needs to hear, but he doesn’t hear because Joellen is like feeling her best self. And so you think the sister would, but the husband wouldn’t, yeah, I think she’s got to make the first move, and then he’ll do it, and then he’ll do it, and I think she will make the first move. That might be, we’ve never had that. We’ve never had a sim, but I gotta tell you, it’ll be good. I’m not saying to do it. I’m just saying it would really help a TV show. There’s just so much layering in Rhode Island, though. Yeah, we have Chelsea. So she’s got the boyfriend who’s very he is the son of a very famous judge who has since passed half the year. He’s in Miami with his other girlfriend. So it’s not even like they have an open really, like he has a set other girlfriend.

He’s more attractive than all the other guys, though, yeah, and we don’t see him. I.

Think he’s on his way out. So my theory with them is they were filming in the summer, so he wasn’t in Miami, because if you live in Miami, you’re not there in the summer, that’s when you’re in Rhode Island. So he was there, and they were almost like, they’ve had this arrangement for 10 years, but she knew she was like, wrapping it up, or he was wrapping it up. And so it would have to be kind of like him wrapping it up. Okay, now, you know that kind of guy, too. I bet he’s, she’s getting old. I need to go get another 19 year old. You know what I mean? 100% I also am gonna, I’d be willing to bet money he has a vasectomy, because otherwise she would have found herself. Great. Call, great. Call, great. Call, Yes, yep. He probably, I think he had kids from previous marriage or something. So, yeah, he’s probably been there, done that. I don’t want money more. When he made the decision that he wasn’t having anymore, he had a vasectomy, whether she knows it or not, poor girl may think she has fertility issues, although he seems like he’s very honest, which you can’t fault a person. If they decide, I agree with you, stay in an arrangement. I agree with you. He has from what she from her mouth. He has never lied to her. She knows who he is and Billy the foot. He looks like a foot. What’s his story? He’s hanging around. He wears really weird clothes. I think he’s like, a little bit slow. I don’t know he, like, can’t keep up with the conversations. I don’t think he’s ever watched reality shows. He probably don’t think he’s read many books. I don’t think so. And I think she’s probably trying to make it seem like, Look, John, I’ve got other people in the queue, like you’re she wants to humiliate him on TV by bringing in this guy who wears, like, Zara suits, I don’t know. And he and the other guy clearly doesn’t care. She wouldn’t be doing it back to her house for a minute. She’s floating in the pool and acting like she’s living in this palatial mansion by herself. But he has children, so don’t they like come into the house too, unless his ex wife is all set up and he goes to see them there. Because if he’s that life, I’m sure that also that house, the architecture, I don’t enjoy, it looks like they did a bunch of different additions on it, but didn’t go through the city to get it.

They definitely, it’s weird. His father was a judge, so they probably just picked, Oh, he did, yeah, he’d have to go through, he just had somebody with some nails and some wooden boards and put it up. It makes no sense. Yeah, it’s odd. And the whole house is, it’s, oh, we’re living the high life in Rhode Island. I’m like, this can’t be the best house. Now, if we went to Newport, Rhode Island, a whole other situation, but like in Cranston, I’m like, okay, but it’s not like, blowing my hair back, but that’s what gives the jersey energy. Now, yeah, you’re right, like, it’s also, I hope it never changes, though, that’s what I’m sad about, because it will change, and they’re gonna have different faces and different houses and different clothes next season, but I really enjoy a lot of them already have different faces, because they’re all either work in med spas or their friends do. So they all have filler and all that. By the way, you know who’s some of the worst people that walk the earth, who people who work at Med spas, they’re so mean. Is an injector. They’re so mean. What do they do? They’re like, Oh, because sometimes I like, my okay, my friend who does, Who’s the doctor, is not Hey, out and about in the world, like in the doctor’s office, totally different. But out and about in the world, she wouldn’t be like, hey, when you’re talking to her, she’s not gonna be like, You know what you really need to get like, really need to get, like, some filler in your lips. And you need to do that. But the people who work at Bed spas do, there’s no HIPAA, there’s no I don’t know. They’re like, they’re hard selling. They’re hard selling. I know, but it’s it. But they don’t go about it the right way. Okay, for example. So you go to a blow dry bar and someone’s like, blowing out your hair, and then they’re like, Ooh, okay, so who’s your hairdresser? About the color of your hair? And you’re like, why would I go to you? You just offended me. Med Spa people can tend to be so offensive. It’s that’s not the way to get your client. You need to blow somebody up go. You have great skin. Oh, my God, you look so great. If you ever want to come over to the office, let me know, because it would be such a privilege to be to have you as a client, that’s the way to Yes, not Ooh, girl, you really need some filler under your eyes. It’s who are you? What? What’s happening? I don’t like that. I can tell you, I have never experienced that, but I’ve only ever used my friend who’s an injector, and if anything, she’s very minimal. Yeah, that’s good. I just do the dice board or the Botox I’m not doing because not that I take life advice from Tamara judge. But I do remember when she had them CO two, no, years ago, before that, she was like, I got filler and I had it dissolved. I think it makes you look older. I think it makes you look puffy. It travels. It always stuck with me. And she said, and she was very honest that with her, she did a lower than she did, an upper than she did the CO two. And she remember her saying, it’s better to just do the face lift when it’s time, like when you’re young. And it is so true. Kate, I go to this nail salon. I don’t know it’s a nail salon that does really cool designs, because I’m a bit of a Guida. I’m from New York City. I’m Italian. My daughter loves a design nail too. Loves it. Love it. I think that’s like the thing for the kids, the teenagers, they love it,

too. Me. So right now I have leopard sparkles like I’m crazy. So I’m at the nail salon, and these girls come in. First of all, the eyelashes. The eyelashes need to stop. There is a epidemic. There is a national conversation that needs to happen about extensions to the eyelashes. Yes, there are. I have.

Friend at work who dub them and they are tasteful and they’re beautiful. But these people who get them, like the those things they put on the cars, the lights, okay, so these girls come in, they got the lashes, they got the filler in their lips. That honestly, is so too much. They go to these places that are like $5 a unit. No, I know that is, I will wear Amazon, I will drive a Corolla. All the things before I put bad, cheap filler in my I got one face okay, and then they got the bad hair extensions. But when these girls walk in, my point of this Kate is, I cannot tell you if they are 25 or 55 Yes, it doesn’t look good, but you can’t tell if they’re young or old. They just look wacko. And I’m sure they’re beautiful girls who don’t need it number one, because you don’t need listen, you want to get a little baby Botox when you’re 2829 that’s totally fine. Young girls need to stop getting filler. It’s ridiculous. You haven’t lost enough volume to need it. That’s true. My friend Jonathan said that the lip situation is a byproduct of the Kardashians. He calls it the vaginification of the lips, so that normal people, one one is bigger than the other. So for some women, their top lips bigger than they naturally when they’re both filled to the same size. From the side, it looks like a vagina. Oh, Jesus, yeah. So here’s the thing. All of these things need to be done tastefully. Yes, I have, I was a smoker for many years. So like, every two years, I get, you get one vial, right, or whatever, for the lines. I’ve never smoked a day in my life, but I have those lines, yeah, because you’re Irish, Irish people wrinkle. So sure do, and I’m half so I get, I do it there, literally, because it lasts a long time, I just do it right there. And then she does.dot.in,

my bottom, because after you do it, there’s not much in this one thing. And so my lips, because as you age, your lips, they get smaller. They do. Your gums get longer, your lips get smaller. So I am totally on board with all the things that maintain. Yeah, you know what I’m saying. You don’t like your nose. Get a nose job. But I’m talking about young girls getting volumized faces or overdoing the lips like a full lip is nice, but this is a rant, but the girls on Rhode Island look good, but you could clearly see they’ve all done stuff. I hope they don’t go overboard. Yeah, when you think about all this crap that women have to do, and a dude just takes a shower and puts some moisturizer on and brushes his teeth, and that’s it. And then they’ll be judgy, like, I’m dating this girl and like she’s a lot of work. What do you want her to look like? Because she’s gonna look like she’s an Amish woman if she doesn’t get all this shit done that you like.

So there you go. That brings us to the messy podiatrist who owns a med spa. See, I don’t like that either. I don’t know. I don’t like it. I don’t like it. No, there’s so there’s a whole thing. So I had so many people in my DMs, it is actually quite normal, because you’re just holding the license, and then you actually hire people who are trained to inject okay, but Okay, so he’s having an affair with a woman who actually was his co owner or had a financial interest in it. All over social media. As a matter of fact, a follower sent to me. February 3, Rula, who’s his wife, was filming in the Berkshires for the girls trip. Yeah, she the mistress, posted on her website a picture from two years before of her at her house, at rula’s house, like just to mess with her. Wow, sir, he’s suing her. You saw the conversation where they’re blaming Joel and Joel and she called my job and tried to get me fired. Why is this guy on television? How did he think this was gonna go for him? It’s you live in small town. It’s the talk of the town. There is no way to hide that, and especially if he slept with the or he cheated on the Spanish teacher, he always has a large pulsing vein in his head, which leads me to believe maybe there are other things that he’s doing to himself that would create a situation like that. I hear that they were skiing. A lot of people thought that the reason he was mute is because he had been skiing at the party and was just like, high and out of it. Oh, see, I never go normal. I don’t go there because I’m so stupid about that. I always go to, are you on like, human growth hormone? Could be he certainly doesn’t have a physique that looks like it. But who knows what he would look like naturally if you didn’t take if you took that away, what do you look like? What do you look like? A blanker? Correct? Because they always wear like the shirts are real tight around their arms. They pump a lot of iron. And then Rosie, there’s a rumor that she says, she said she left her job, so everyone has cheated. So Rula and her husband got together and they left their spouses for each other. Rosie says she went on a medical leave from her local news job, but Kelsey said that she had an affair with the higher up. So well, Kelsey is open about her cheating because they have that situation. Rosie allegedly cheated. Rula left her first husband for her second husband, who cheated on her with her and on her. Long story short, we love Rhode Island. We are just getting started, which I love for us, Kate, thank you so much for joining us. Guys. Make sure to follow Kate at Kate Casey. Ca, you can listen to her on reality life with Kate Casey, and thank you so much all of our loyal cocktails for tuning in every week till next time. And.

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