177. Heather Gay’s brave motherhood statement; Bronwyn brings the heat; Cross-Bravo-show romance(s)

Heather Gay makes a bold (and we think brave) statement about her motherhood journey. Did Bronwyn’s response sound like a dig to us? And Lisa Barlow is back on RHOSLC but only seems to care about what people are saying about her…while she’s in delulu land about her lawsuits. Let’s just say we see a pattern there. Bronwyn brings the heat against Lisa and all Lisa can do is hurl insults about Bronwyn’s husband, her sex life and the fact that she didn’t go to college. We love Real Housewives of Salt Lake City! We’ve got some tea on a possible cross-Bravo-show romance. Actually, maybe on two cross-show romances. And we’re hearing some good tea on some other shows casting. And will Carl Radke be on the new Summer House spinoff?

What’s up Cocktailers? hello, Amanda. Hi. Cocktailers, hi B. You sound like Phoebe when she got her sexy boy, son. Friends, hi, hi. It’s officially fall and, like, literally day. What was it? The 22nd I woke up with a head cold. I never know is it just like allergy season change. I don’t have body aches or anything, but I just have a head cold. I feel tired. I have a comfortable back this whole crud. I feel like, you know, like everybody gets back together in these small spaces and spread germs. And it is inevitable. It’s inevitable, but it is like, I’m loving fall. It’s officially here. We just had our first kind of chilly day, and I really am aware of the fact that I’m sounding like one of those autumn people like, it’s fall, y’all. But here I am because I do. I feel like I loved fall. Before all these other people did well, I love seasons. I probably have said this on this pod every single time we’ve transitioned. That’s why, as much as I’m like, oh, I want to live in a warm climate, give me San Diego or something like that. And I’m sure it’s gorgeous to live there. I like a transition, because it’s, you get like, four new chances at life. I agree, and I like, I think I’m in the minority here, but I absolutely love snow. It’s like, I love snow on a Saturday from my window, starting with a warm cup of coffee, midday wine. Like, I don’t love snow. When I have to get my kids to school, get myself to work, do all, like, the life things, yeah, but I do like it, like, I’m cool with the coating, but if it’s more than, like, six inches, everything needs to be canceled. Yeah, I agree, because then you stay inside with your cocoa, yes, your music and your snacks. Yes, I love nothing like shopping for an impending snow day. I think if I had to choose five things that bring me joy, that would be in my five things like including everything, like including, like a trip on a yacht, which I’ve never done and probably never will, but an impending What do you die for a snow day? What do you buy? Oh, what don’t I buy? I just, I cook all day. I just make all the things I buy, like, obviously, a sweet I’m not even a sweet person, but you like, have to have a chocolate chip cookie or a pie or something, yeah, for sure, something Hardy, a stew or, like, a good pasta. Yeah? You know, I agree. I’m the same. I always take baking everything, yeah? I literally have a really funny picture I took of myself. I don’t know it’s.
Would have been, I don’t know, close to eight, nine years ago, and I was in my big Ugg boots, my nightgown with a coat over it, and I just literally ran to the grocery store because the snow was not expected, and was buying all of my things. And I’m like, I look like, literally, a crazy woman, but it’s completely acceptable at that point. It is. You could not in there in your robe, and nobody would even flinch. I know seriously, so yeah, I hope we get at least one good one, and not too much so that, like, the shoveling isn’t too much of a pain. New York City has not had a lot of snow the past few years at all global warming and all that. But I don’t know. Let’s say this year. I know that’s so crazy too. Because if you really think about it, like so many movies show New York City in the winter with lots of snow on the ground, I just feel like we’ve had very mild winters. We’ve had snow, but not like feet, yeah, but like, just city, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, well, let’s start out with Salt Lake City, because I feel like everyone’s the most excited, including me, about it. So first, before we get into all the drama, were you a little bit confused by the like we never got to hear what the scary thing was that happened. We just saw black and white scary video, but they never explained it. It was like a click bait thing, right? Like they wanted us to tune in for The Blair Witch Project. But really, it was just them in the dark, realizing it was a terrible idea, and bears could get them, which valid, yeah. Can I just say that Meredith and I think it was Whitney waking up in those chairs. I’m sorry, who is doing this? I was like, There’s not even room for them to sleep fully, laying down like I am, believe me, I am not bougie. I fly economy. I am too old to sleep on a chair. You know there were, there were days in my college days, I think I slept at a friend’s house, like, used an area rug, ew, gross as a blanket, because it was like, cold, and that’s all there was. I am not at this age, sleeping in an RV with eight other women in a chair, yeah? What I thought was very interesting, because I am like, this is clearly an ad for, you know, like a promotion for camping world for RVs, yeah, but I’m like, Are they targeting the right audience? First of all, and are they really making this look glamorous, because it looked tight to me, those, I just have to say, those RVs, like, I have gone, like, driving upstate, stopped and what, like, they are super cool. And I would be so down with doing a trip like that with a couple of people, where everybody had a bed, yeah, or, like, with your family. I would totally do it with my family, but six seven women, no, think, Oh God, I just said 6700
don’t. When is it gonna go away? And, like, toddlers, I was at my kid’s game, and this little sibling was like, six, seven, and I’m like, You’re two. Oh, my God, that’s so cute. Because I bet their siblings were like, taught, teaching the kid how to do it. Yes, that’s actually cute. It’s not cute when you have tweens and teens who say it all the time, it’s like, Please stop, please. Okay, so let’s see her. Where are we? Okay, I want to start with Whitney sharing so she talks even more about her business failure, and then they actually show like a flashback from earlier that week, of her and Justin on the couch, and Whitney’s face is all puffy and crying. Whitney has definitely been a Yeah, what a smart move like, in comparison to have so many housewives try to lie and dip and dodge, say they can’t talk about it, dance around it, it is refreshing that she’s addressing it head on, the fact that her business failed, like she has to figure this out. They put everything into this smart of her. Like with me, I always question Whitney. I think I like her the most so far that I ever have, because I always feel there’s something that genuine about it. With that said, very smart move. And I saw she shared to her socials. I guess she rebranded her original skincare. Her taking ownership of this failure certainly makes me and I’m sure the viewers want to help her and want to support her. You know, like I’m looking at her. I’m like, she’s a hard working woman. She’s earning the fact that she’s owning, excuse me, the fact that she made a business mistake, and her family is paying for it. So it makes me want to like and I probably will click and buy something and support her. And I think that the viewers will. I think that it is nice to see the honesty, even if she’s not fully honest about the MLM portion of it, she is sitting there, her husband is sitting there saying, we put all our eggs in this basket and it failed, and we’re in trouble, and there’s something about that makes us root for her. Well, yeah, and for her to say, like, now, all I really want to do is stay home with my kids, but I don’t have a choice. I’ve got to figure out a way.
Make Money that may have been like one of the more vulnerable things I’ve seen a housewife say, I can only imagine that’s got to be terrifying to be in your 40s and have to start all over. So I do think it was partially a strategic move of her to share it only because, obviously, I don’t think she failed her business on purpose for a storyline, but as a way to add contrast to where Elisa in delulo land is. I think it was probably also partly a strategic move to be so vulnerable and to share so much. But I’m here for it, and also then look at Justin. If we remember, Justin is older than her, I forget how many years older than her, but I remember it in the beginning, he was kind of her boss, or a boss at a company, and pretty established. So they took like they had a strong foundation, and in an effort to expand, which, again, I’m not faulting them for people do that, right? People don’t want to stay stagnant. They ended up losing, like, their solid foundation. That’s scary, yeah? But whereas many women would just on these shows deny it and act like it wasn’t the case and oh, that, Oh, we had a speed bump, but we’re moving ahead, they’re like, Nope, this is it. We’re broke right in that same kind of scene, they’re all sitting around the campfire outside after breakfast, after eating the weird steak Heather that was, it was right there just meat in the morning. Like, bad. Pick up some sandwich trays. Auntie, like, yeah, do the bare minimum. Heather shares that she can’t wait. You know that her daughter’s a senior, she can’t wait for her to go away to college, that she’s ready for that hands on phase of parenting to be over. And so I wanted to talk about this. I know you did too, because first of all, I, you know, I have not read Heather’s books, although I kind of want to, she never talked about the fact that she had full custody of all three kids, not that I recall her ever saying that. And so guys like, this means, and not to sound like didactic, but that means she’s been responsible for every single meal, all the school pickups, just tracking all those kids on life, 360
all those carpools like that’s literally what B and I were talking about today before we got on the call, like, is just like, all of the mom logistic stuff, that’s a really heavy weight to carry, and it’s a blessing to be able to carry it, but it’s a heavy weight, and I understand, really, where she’s coming from. It’s not so much a like, I want to be selfish now. Kind of thing, as more of it is, is like, I want to feel that relief of successfully launching all three of my girls and just take a breath, kind of moment. Because, like I said, like the PTO meetings, the sports, like the mom you know, people are like, Oh, but it gets easier once your kids couldn’t drive, and it’s like, no, like, there’s still, like, all the mom booster clubs, and then there’s college applications, and then worry of them driving. Yeah, and I know me too, like, stayed up until 1230 so that you know you’re making sure that your kid gets home safely. And keep in mind, she did all this on her own while also launching and growing a successful business. So of course, Heather wants to spend time with them and be in their lives, but I think she’s just ready for that heck to to be over, because that’s three kids. You know, she’s been carrying that weight for a long time. I then we sorry, go ahead, sorry. Oh, I was just gonna say, then we hear Bronwyn say, Well, I, you know, I’m actually, I don’t want it to be over, so I’m having Gwen and her boyfriend move in, because I’m not ready to be a hands off parent. And so I’m really curious to know what you thought was that a dig. I love Bronwyn, but it sounded judgy to me, especially in a society where, like Heather says, mothering is supposed to be the highest calling. Well, to answer your question at the end, before I get into like the heather piece of it, I think it’s important to point out that Bronwyn was also a single mother. However, for the last I believe they’re married 10 years. So since her daughter was 11, my understanding is Bronwyn has not been working. So for from when her daughter, she’s graduating college, assume she’s 2021, so from when her daughter was 10 or 11 years old, she had Todd’s financial support. Now I’m just gonna say Heather has to also work. And not only does she work, she runs two very successful businesses, and she’s on housewives and where she has to be there, she has to be at the place. You know, this is not just a work from home job where she’s out there, shaking hands, running things. So she’s raising three girls where, shockingly, their father never had custody, so he only ever came over to visit. So she was responsible for them every night. I’m gonna assume she was largely responsible.
People for getting them to and from their activities, sports, school events, all of that. I think that Bronwyn was really showing a financial privilege, because if you are able like Todd is okay. So she’s a single mom, yes, but from the time she was 10, Todd financially supported them. So Broman didn’t have to run to a job if she didn’t want to, because she could just be the mother. She could just take her to the sports, to the this to the that. I just think it changes the picture so very much being parents of different arrangements, but the idea that none of her three children were ever overnight with their father. Remember, Heather also doesn’t speak to her parents and a lot of her siblings, so I don’t know what her support system looked like, and I’m sure she has friends that were able to carpool with her. But when you don’t have a family support system, you can’t go away for a night, you can’t do a work trip, because she runs this business, and we know that in the med spa, there are all these different conferences and all of these things. I just I don’t know. I don’t think it was bronwyn’s intention, but it came off. I understand why Heather felt insulted, and I’m going to say something else that I probably shouldn’t, because I’m probably going to get yelled at, but I can’t help myself, three kids and one kid is different. I have two kids, and I have always been very clear. I much respect to all parents and every child presents their own challenges, but just the sheer number three is more than one. Three is more than two. I often, and I have often said to you, Amanda, I don’t know how I would do it. If I had, I would have to, obviously hire somebody to help me just transport the kids to things right, because my kids are not at the age where they can drive. I am fortunate that I do have friends and we carpool and things of that nature, but I don’t have a mom who’s around, sadly, to help with those sort of things. I do have a sister in law and, like, family help, but they all have their own kids and their own sports and their own clubs, and so, like, I totally get where Heather’s coming from, and I really appreciated when Mary turned around, Mary, who is very out of touch, and said to Heather, I have one son, and Robert, SR was a very active father, and we really were partners in raising our child. I can’t imagine if I had to do that with three. And she even went so far as to say, I actually know that I would not have been able to do that, number one by myself, and number two with three kids. And I thought that was important to point out the same way that I couldn’t understand certain dynamics of other family relationships, like having three kids. Yeah, yeah.
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It’s true. Like I was like, You’re in literally three different places, sometimes with three different like, I agree. Hats off to Heather. But do you think it was more like what Bronwyn then later said at lunch? Or do you think that? I think that realized it, and I think that Bronwyn tried to reel it back in, because I don’t necessarily think it was her intention. I think also to give Bronwyn credit from zero to whenever she met Todd. We know that she was briefly married to somebody else, but she was a single mom, right? And she was working. So she does know the struggle of having to be a working mom and doing it on your own, because Broadway’s father was never involved, and then deceased. And I don’t know, you know, in what capacity her husband, before Todd, was involved, but so I think probably when she stepped away from the conversation, she saw like, oh, well, that didn’t come off, right. And I think she was right to, like, say to Heather, that’s not what I meant. I sometimes think I wasn’t a good enough mother, like we all carry guilt and whatever are in our parenting, but I think that Heather was really honest, because you hear so much, and I know anyone listening who has kids just in the grocery store, the sweet old lady, well meaning, who says, Enjoy it. It goes so fast and like, the days are long, but the years are short. And we all know this. I get it as your kid is like, wiping boogers on the shopping cart and licking handrails at the airport, you’re like, oh my god, I just want to get through this stage, like when I’m running from work to pick them up from school, to get them to the first activity, to then figuring out if I even have time to cook, or if I’m gonna have to spend some ridiculous amount of money on some sort of takeout that I don’t even want because I don’t have time in their start like, you know, like Bronwyn. It’s different when you have privilege, which I think, and listen, obviously, Heather makes good money, right? She could afford the takeout. There were years she didn’t and couldn’t. She built that on her own. And, yeah, I think that, I don’t think it was intentional by Bronwyn, and I do think that Bronwyn at lunch gave her grace. And I would say that Heather didn’t really receive it as gracefully as she could have either. I didn’t think so either. But I think with their history, I think that I don’t know. I don’t blame Heather for taking it harder and having a hard time with kind of letting it go, because it really did, like I said, I don’t think that was her intention, but it did really come off as a dig and like, kind of playing the that mom guilt thing, which.
Gosh, that’s a real as you brought it up. It’s a real thing. And to kind of poke there is a really not. I don’t think that’s a good place to be poking. Yeah, no one needs to be critical of good parents are plenty critical of themselves without any outside noise, right? And we, we come in all shapes and sizes too. So Whitney asks Mary about Robert Jr, and God bless Mary, because she’s very honest about it. She’s like, he’s he’s got highs and lows. And think the big thing that she said is, we had this conversation with him that said, you know, weren’t you have the tools, and you know what you need to do, and we’re not going to babysit you anymore. And that’s got to be a really, had to have been a hard conversation, and we’ll talk a little bit more. I think about when she actually talks with him, I mean, and you have to respect Mary for putting this on our screens, because it is something that so many of us deal with, whether it’s our children, our siblings, our parents, addiction and the struggle of loving someone and trying to help them, while knowing that it is completely out of your control, and you know, while you can provide them the tools and resources, ultimately, what’s best for Robert Jr is going to have To be accomplished by Robert Jr. Mary is hopeful and so supportive, which you can see he appreciates. And he kind of, in their conversation, you saw he he carried guilt, right? He was like, I’m not in as dark of a place, and I’m better, and I’ve stopped hanging out with the people, and I miss them because they were my friends. And him and Mary have a nice and she’s not judgmental in in the conversation, and it’s interesting, because she had the whole church, and I’m interested to see if she mentions it this season. And then there was some scandal with the church, which we’ve gotten into in depth, but I can see why she would be a really good pastor, because that conversation, she was honest with him without like ridicule, right? Which isn’t easy, and especially as a parent and any of us who have children who have made bad choices as they do, know that it’s hard in those moments to not be critical and judgmental, and you know what I’m saying? Oh yeah, I’m still communicating like you can’t do this. Hi. Sorry. Did I startle you when you’re used to hearing a certain type of commercial something like this can well take you by surprise. That’s kind of how it is with the Lexus RX, a vehicle that has continued to defy expectations for over 25 years, from the first luxury vehicle of its kind to the first hybrid luxury vehicle to the only plug in hybrid worthy of the RX name. We understand you want more than the everyday SUV. It isn’t being understood. An amazing feeling. Experience, amazing at your Lexus dealer. Hey, just checking in. Hadn’t seen you around lately. Doing okay. No pressure. I just thought maybe we could hang out like old times. Okay, I know I wasn’t always good for you, but we had something, didn’t we? All right, call me back
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You could see the pain in her face as she was trying to be supportive. And all I can imagine when I see that situation is like she’s looking at her son like the little boy that she remembered, and having such a hard time reconciling him making these choices that are clearly destruct, destructive, and his affect when he was having that conversation, when he is weirdly like smiling and he was high, yeah, I said he’s, he’s, I hate that she’s still going through it, yeah, but I, I’m glad that she’s showing us this absolutely. Heather and Lisa go to lunch, and of course, Lisa wants to know, you know, did everybody talk about her? And Heather tells her Ron win bought all up all of the lawsuits on the trip. She really, it felt like she was just there to annihilate you. And then Lisa, of course, like she’s like, well, one was dismissed. One’s on the way to get dismissed. It’s completely meritless. You guys will remember that i.
Did a mini dive last week on these lawsuits. Definitely go back and listen just to that part. If you haven’t, there’s a lot of details in there, and they didn’t sound meritless. I’ll just put it that way. You know, Lisa wants to wave a wand make this go away. She doesn’t want to address it, calling it meritless and dumb. The reality is, this is public record. It was in the Salt Lake Tribune, and if you do a quick Google search, you can get, like, all of the actual court documents, right? And then she insults any of them bringing that primarily broad one, but she’ll insult anybody that brings it up. I apologize for this cold guys telling them that they’re not smart, and if they were smart, they would know it was nothing. They’re suing her because she’s a top bitch. It’s an old, disgruntled business partner. She doesn’t mention that there are actual settlements, right? If it was nothing, you wouldn’t have settled, right? She doesn’t mention that. She acknowledges in the public records, it, via text messages, that she borrowed the money. She says John doesn’t know about the money. She doesn’t want John to know she’s been drawing on these loans. So that’s like a disconnect, right? Because he may know that there’s this loan there to be possibly used in the future, but she was drawing based on the public documents. She was drawing on those funds and like, buying clothes. So there are and Bronwyn is like, girl, you could yell, you could call me a gout dick sucker. You could do all of it, but I’m gonna keep stating the facts that I write in public court documents. And you know, you do bring up a very good point about the cases being all being settled, generally, especially if there’s, like, a completely if somebody were to sue me tomorrow with a completely meritless claim saying I owed them $600,000
you think I’m gonna settle that case? Absolutely not. Because if I didn’t borrow the money, then why do people just settle? As an example, if somebody slips on a sidewalk and set and sues the city, it sometimes is cheaper for the township or the city to just settle with that person for five or $10,000 than to pay in a lawyer and drag it out in a case where you’re a Lisa Barlow who’s so indignant and so proud of your business, if you had the means, you would rather get the victory in court and pay the attorneys like Cardi B just did to be like, I’m not settling with You, to just make this go away. I didn’t do this. This isn’t based in fact, and I’m going to spend my resources to prove this publicly. And Cardi B is the perfect example. Cardi B could have given that girl $10,000 and made her go away. Cardi was like, fuck that. I’ll spend $100,000
because I can right on a case that will be televised, and I’ll let everybody know, if you come for me, I have the means, I have the time, and I will meet you in court too, because nobody’s going to make money off nonsense claims. Lisa didn’t do that. You guys, there’s a pattern, and every single one of those lawsuits was about debt and borrowing. So one of them was, we mentioned, was from a debt collection agency every single you know other one was about a personal debt. So it’s hard for me to believe that all six of those were just completely meritless. And I don’t see any way that you can really convince me otherwise, honestly, and Lisa just seemed concerned with who backed her up when the claims were made. Heather didn’t even bother to mention that Britney stood up for her, which I found funny. I think I take that more to me like nobody takes Britney seriously. Lisa was very upset that Angie and Meredith didn’t stick up for her. I guess she figured they were on her side. And at the party, you can see like they’re all kind of enjoying it, even Meredith, who initially tries to be like, now’s not a good time. She’s mad at the ladies for not appreciating her brands and her sacrifices. When she went off on that in the confessional, I was like, How about Whitney’s jewelry line that you said was from Alibaba? How about all of bronwyn’s secrets that you brought up? How about focusing on how she didn’t buy the necklace and like you did it to them, so now that they have receipts on you. What? Why you shocked? And Bronwyn, I feel like, is the only one who Angie, to a certain extent, but Bronwyn is really the only one who is willing to really, truly stand up to her, although, you know, Whitney feels the same way. Yes, obviously Angie. I don’t know why Lisa would have expected Angie to step up for her, because she’s been awful. I took that to me that the same way that Lisa made a little alliance with Brittany before right filming, she probably had a lunch with Angie, where Angie, like, said, like, no, no, if they bring it up, like, I won’t, I won’t go there kind of thing. And she kind of didn’t, I mean, she did do that one thing where she was like, sounds like Jen Shah, but she didn’t get into listen. They all know the details. Everyone at that table saw read and read all the documents we read, right? Of course they did. And Whitney, she didn’t want to be the one to deliver it, right, but stood there and backed up Bronwyn, because then Lisa would have gotten into the details. Whitney’s being as transparent as she’s being about the business.
Being a failure, but she’s not bringing up the MLM of it all. Remember that there’s some gray scam area there. Yeah, I say yeah, because I don’t. I actually haven’t researched into the MLM part of it, but we do know that from cocktails that there was money that was paid to an event to go to an event, then the event was canceled and the money was not refunded. So that is, I think, what B is referring to when she’s saying, like, there’s some stuff that’s a little shady regarding that, but we read the text messages literally in the court documents from Lisa’s lawsuits, and you know, even as you mentioned, she doesn’t deny taking the money and acknowledges the debt. And then we also hear that the guy had apparently opened up an Amex platinum card for Lisa. So Whitney says this is the mystery man that Angie had brought up when, remember, we heard about, like, the Utah Jazz ticket, yes, for side stuff. And so Mike, that is the piece of the puzzle that actually makes all of this make more sense. I think that also Bronwyn bringing up the fact that Lisa sent the text about not telling John to the person that they owed the money to was very juicy. And I think only Bronwyn probably would have said this because, you know, yeah, like you said, Angie does step up to her, but Bronwyn really brought the heat on this. And all Lisa can say back to Bronwyn is, who cares? You suck out Dick like Bronwyn is like, okay, that’s my husband. At least it’s my husband, whom I’m married to, paying my Amex bill. I have court documents saying that some other guy is paying your bill and John doesn’t know about it. Juicy, yes, yes, let’s discuss it. I know amount of screaming is going to make these women not talk about it behind Lisa’s back after this so oh my god, that screaming match. I There are so many funny things, but first of all, I just have to bring up this house and this person and this party, like, what was that who has, like a formal party, standing room only, by the way, it was a legit party, not like a pipe and drape. We’re gonna have a fortune teller over here and a photo booth over here, kind of house food party like, this was a legit party. What was that somebody rich in Salt Lake City, who I don’t know if they were vying for, like a friend of or wanted to be on the show, or, I don’t know if I were rich, and there were a housewives show in my city, and I maybe I didn’t necessarily want to be on the show full time, but I wanted to flex a little bit. I’d host a party. Why not? You have the big, fancy house. You have all the money. That’s kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know the whole when Lisa and Heather had that lunch, and, you know, Lisa says to Heather, I live a whole different life than you all. I play big. Oh, and even Heather, who has her noise so far up Lisa’s ass in her confessional was, like, she’s so condescending. What? Yeah, guys, do you think that Heather probably doesn’t have some pretty big construction loans or real estate loans that pays her monthly note on right? But I’m betting hers are actually legit and not personal loans. Okay, so back to this party. Of course, the second Lisa gets there, Brittany runs over to tell her what Angie and Bronwyn said, and of course, that Angie had compared her to Jen Shah. So Lisa goes on the warpath. So Lisa’s willing to talk to Angie, but as soon as Bronwyn comes over and goes, Hey, Lisa, like it’s me. I’m the one who brought everything up, so why don’t you talk to me? She’s like you’re dismissed. And when she started shattering, she’s loitering, she’s loitering like she’s loitering at a party she was invited to. You know, this is the condescending tone. It’s always there with Lisa. She’s so frantic at all times. I assume it’s to keep this playing big image up. It makes her look and I guess she doesn’t realize this, it just makes her look so incredibly guilty, yeah, and then the insults to Bronwyn, that she didn’t go to college, that she’s not smart, that her husband, you know, she only has anything because of her husband. It was all paper thin, right? And did not stop Bronwyn from continuing with facts. I know Bronwyn did not stand down. And of course, Lisa deflecting by calling Bronwyn, like, what is she a lawyer, and then, like, the whole Dee sucking, yelling, yes, which at one point, I mean, I’m just laughing, and I’m like, what are they even fighting about? Because one person is like, do you even suck? D Yeah, and then what he’s like, Yeah, I do. I do. The people around them, it’s just like, the looks on everybody’s faces so funny. And then what about so then they randomly, like, go to the husband’s And Seth is like, so are you in love with Brittany? And this loser ex fiance, Jared Osmond, is like, I love.
Her, Yes, I’m in love with her, yeah. And they’re like, No, you’re not. You’re not. This is like, what is happening? He’s just hanging on so he can stay on TV and be a real house husband. And guys, I don’t, I feel like you and I keep breaking down the Salt Lake episodes, but because they’re so good, they’re so good. No se,
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we didn’t mention this, but Miami finale is this week, so we will be talking about that. Yes, we’ll bring back that. We Yeah, and OC we that it just didn’t, there wasn’t, again, all that much that really happened this last week. So, oh, we have something later that we touched on in cocktail. Oh, yeah, but it actually, actually came out, and another cocktail post verified. So we’ll get to that later. But we have a little southern charm, McBee dynasty crossover, which, again, the cocktail is all new about. We discussed it on the cocktail pod. So some of this will be a little bit of a repeat for our subscribers, but not really, because there’s new details. We had heard that Craig was in Missouri because Craig has a Craig hot over southern charm has a new Fabric Company, and apparently they make bees reached out, you know, all these crossovers these people are all looking to get, and the mcbees Listen, good for them. They’re really marketing themselves. They’re trying to hang out with people from other Bravo shows. They got their Bravo con invite. So it’s working. You know, we see Galina with the OC ladies. We seen the mcbees Hanging out with Craig, and I heard that Sally would be going with Craig to hang with Steve McBee Jr. Steve Jr, guys, it’s quite possible the dad would go after her, but it’s Steve Jr in this case, which we kind of knew, because Sally was commenting and Steve was commenting on posts. So at the event, one of our cocktails was there, and Steve senior was telling her, and I guess other people that Sally and Steve Jr had been hanging out, and Sally had actually been to the McBee farm before Craig’s event, so started in the DMS, she was in Missouri, hung out with him and his family at the farm. So they’re talking, are they officially dating? I don’t know there’s another pretty blonde. I think she may be a country singer. I’m not exactly sure that he’s also been commenting on posts. He’s single. He’s flirting quite publicly, might I add. So do we have a McBee, Southern charm, love crossover headed our way? We know that the mcbees are filming, and let’s face it, Sally wants to date a Bravo guy. I think she gave it the good old college try with Craig. I’m not gonna say they never hooked up, but clearly they’re not exclusively dating. I don’t know that they hooked up. I just have to imagine that on the heels of his split with Paige, Sally throwing herself at him during filming may have resulted in something that we may or may not see. And yeah, Sally is single, and she wants that effect. We see it happen. One Bravo lab plus another, Bravo lab equals major Bravo fame. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Yeah, I agree. I think I’m here for this as far as a great Bravo con hook up, I just don’t know if logistically it’s gonna make sense unless Sally is willing to move, because Steven really probably can’t. The other little piece of tea that we got from the cocktail or who was at that event, is that ally. So Ally is Jesse’s wife, so Ali has the dark hair. No, oh, I’m sorry. No, no, no. I.
Thinking of ally on ally on Southern So, Ally from Vanderpump. James is a disease. Ex girlfriend from Vanderpump, who is now in been filming for southern hospitality, said that they don’t think that ally likes Sally. So Sally told a cocktail or so this cocktail, or who was hanging out at the McBee slash Craig fabric event. Was like, oh, is Ally filming for southern hospitality? And Sally was like, Yes, she is. But ally doesn’t like me, because Ally has a crush on Craig. So Ally from Vanderpump James Kennedy’s ex, we know we’ll see her on southern hospitality. Her parents live in Charleston. Apparently she did like a short term rental. I think she’s already back in LA. In any event, Ally has a crush on Craig, so she doesn’t like Sally, because it’s very obvious that Sally was definitely interested in Craig, I guess it didn’t pan out. So now she’s moving on to Steve McBee. But How funny is that? It is funny. Of course, Craig is so cute. You know, we think he’s such a cutie. So of course, they all have crushes on him, but he’s legal. Somebody else told me that when I posted this, they were like, b I know that Ally has hung out with Austin a couple of times. Now. They meant it like, hooked up. So I don’t know if Sally doesn’t know this ally had a crush on Craig, but ended up hooking up with Austin. It sounds so Vanderpump and so southern charm. And we know these southern girls all hook up and like, okay, not for anything. If you’re a young, 28 year old girl as Allie is, I don’t even know how old she is. I’m just gonna guess. And you’re in Charleston, and Austin and Craig are both single, and you shoot your shot with Craig, but it doesn’t really pan out and Austin shows interest. Is it the worst thing in the world for her to hook up with him? No, I’m fine with it. Yeah, she Allie can do ally, and Ally also firsthand. Knows that coupling up with somebody on Bravo can help you with your own career, because she did it with James. Exactly. What about the other cocktail? Or who wrote us saying that they met some of the southern hospitality folks at Watch What Happens Live? Yes, do you want to share what they said? So they said Joe and Maddie were super cute together, which I think is so great. Michaels is a giant. He does seem tall, but I guess it sounds like he’s in pictures the cocktail or sent me he’s like, tall, like Austin, tall, yeah. And then it said, Joe says he loves the summer house guys, and that they’re really good buddies. He’s going to Carl’s bar opening, and he golfs with Shep and Austin, and that they’re cool. He also said that he and Maddie were not surprised with what happened with James, that he’s a good DJ but a different person when he’s not DJing. I mean, not a big surprise to anybody, as far as I’m concerned, yeah, words of Meredith marks, James can leave. James can leave, except he’s DJing it so, so, like, I feel like we’re gonna see him on the Vanderpump spin off and, oh my god, yeah. Why does Lisa support these men? It’s very annoying. Okay, so, speaking of mcbees, we got another email. It says coming soon, East Coast mcbees Question mark, Ain’t that something entertainment which is casting for Real Housewives of better Lee hills and Real Housewives of Orange County is also casting for multi generational blue collar family dynasties in Boston and Philly, which would be similar to mcbees. And it says, however, we know with with Rhode Island, they began casting for Italian families and switched it to housewives after meeting with women. So the same could happen there too. Stay tuned. So another email came in from the same email address that then said subject coming soon to Boise, Idaho, ain’t got something entertainment is currently casting for the elite of Boise, Idaho, with Potomac Salt Lake and Rhode Island. Bravo is into casting smaller cities that will surprise audiences. And I am hearing, oh, okay, that was the email. Now I’m reading what I wrote. I’m also hearing women are still talking about filming in Chicago? Is that green lit? I don’t know. Is it Bravo? I don’t know. We know that they definitely did a sizzle reel. We had pictures of women in Chicago filming a few months back. Remember, we had all that intel about Rhode Island, and then before we knew it, it was true. I do believe the same thing will happen with Chicago. And I do believe the smaller cities, the family dynasties. People are eating the mcbees up, and people from small towns, if we’ve learned anything from shows like the mcbees, like Salt Lake City, they want the fame. They bring it. And they also kind of don’t care, like the mcbees don’t seem to care about keeping up appearances, like where they live.
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The sentencing for Yeah, Steve senior is I want to say week, next week or the week after. I think it’s October. I want to say October 6. Don’t go after me, guys, and I got the date wrong, but it’s around that because it was supposed to be in September, and they moved it to early October, so that’s coming up. So there will be some interesting fallout that I’m sure the Bravo cameras will be following all of that. Yeah, and Steve, I’m sure would even be willing, Steve Jr, to come back for that too, to check Yeah, so we have some scoop on the summer house spin off. I don’t know if you guys follow du mois, but she posted a picture of Kyle filming with some dude that was called an unknown Of course, nothing gets by the cocktailers. Cocktails knew him. They said he owns a ton of businesses, dates, a younger influencer, and has been friends with Kyle for years. He is definitely going to be on the summer house spin off, and obviously, guys, we’ll share more when we can. I’m going to hold off on the name. And I make that decision because it is not someone’s name we’ve ever heard. It’s not like Lindsay, who always posts her friend Evie major or some of the other names that, like we constantly see tagged. This guy is, he’s in real estate. He seems to live a very Jet Set lifestyle with his influencer girlfriend. Clearly has a ton of money. He’s just not somebody we know of. Yet, a lot of you guys are asking me, Is Carl gonna be on it? I really don’t see him in full time capacity. Him and Luke, interestingly, have been hanging out and posting a lot clearly there too, that are on the outskirts of this show, hoping to get on. And it’s always possible guys, because sometimes they get these new people and they sign them on, and as they’re filming, the people are bombing. They’re not bringing what they want, and production will.
Reach out to say, Carl. Look, they just brought Danielle Cabral into the fold after test filming, because clearly a couple of those girls they test filmed with sucked, and they were like, You know what? Bring Danielle back. She was good enough. We’ll tell her. These are the parameters. You know what I’m saying, like, this sort of thing. Yeah. So it’s totally possible we see Carl. He certainly won’t be full time, because, believe me, he would have made sure his name was in the people article, Luke, you guys know cocktails, know, we’ve gone into detail on our subscription site about the why with Luke, I don’t think Bravo is interested. Shout out to Lindsay, though, for always pulling for her friends, because she really does, yeah, try to get them back on the show. I’m sure she was helpful with Andrea when they came. I’m sure that her and Kyle were like, What about Andrea? Him and Lexi live in the city, like they’re going to be starting a family soon. The audience loves him, which is all true if you’re doing a show. The reason Andrea was cut was because they wanted singles in summer house, except for, like, really established people, like, they’re not cutting Paige, they’re not cutting Kyle and Amanda, but the others, they wanted to be single and flirty. This show is a couples show. I’m sure. Andrea is a pleasure for production to work with. He probably makes them cappuccino, probably, I’m just gonna say it. People might get mad at me for this. You might get mad at me for this. I don’t think you will, though. Carl does not have main character energy. Never has. Yeah, I think when he was dating and drinking and kind of being a dick like that was one thing, and then him and Lindsay, but I just don’t see it. I really do want to see him be successful with soft bar though. I’m actually going to go to soft bar him. Can I tell you? Yeah, I haven’t got there yet, because guys, I mean, we just had the whole parenting conversation. I don’t have frickin time I am with that. Said I was driving to my family’s house in Staten Island, and I was literally driving past soft bar, and I said to my husband, and what’s interesting is, like, my husband watches summer house and, like, really likes Carl, you know, as we all do, like, he’s, like, he thinks he’s a good dude. He’s impressed with, you know, his sobriety. And we all know that that easy, etc, etc. So we were actually in that area of Brooklyn over the summer, and we went by and it was like, nowhere near done. So kudos to them for because they got it done pretty quickly. Well, maybe it wasn’t summer, maybe it was like spring that we were there. In any event, I was like, Oh, I really want to go. He’s like, I’d go with you. Like, that’d be cool. And we were, there was so much traffic, so we didn’t stop. Kyle was actually there the night, like this, the time they posted, like, the time, and the night I was there, and I was like, Oh, that would have been cool to, like, get a picture of them together, and then afterwards post and, like, from my account, and have them both be like, Wait, which one of the which? Who was that? Because, you know, everybody on there is gonna take a picture of them, right, right? So I was like, that would have been fun. But Well, speaking of main character, energy, West, Wilson and Mia from southern hospitality were spotted and you shared it on social at a cozy dinner together. What do we know about this? Okay, so Mia had a boyfriend, but little bit before they were she was posted with West at this what looked like a date, right? What looked like a date, Mia had posted something cryptic, and it had sounded like her and the boyfriend had split. So after I shared the picture of them out to dinner, one of you guys commented on the post, and they were like, B just saw Mia yesterday, which was like, couple days after this picture in Charlotte with her boyfriend. They looked very much together. So like, okay, young couples, it’s very possible that they had a fight. She came to New York for whatever reason. Wes, took her out, and then her and the boyfriend spoke on the phone, they made up, and we could have just seen like that play out in front of us. Yeah, I don’t know. So I don’t really know. It could have also just been West also does, I don’t know. Does he still work for complex or whatever he we also know at one time he had a pod he interviews people. It could have been something business related. They could both be working with the same brand on a deal and met up. You know, it could be a lot of different things. Yeah, I my only thing that raised my eyebrows about that picture is that if you go out with a work person, it’s not usually to a like, very dimly lit, candle lit kind of place, so that it was an environment that also just made me wonder if they were at times. Listen, Mia is not the most recognizable Bravo Lab, I’m I don’t mean that in a shady way. She’s just not a lot of people wouldn’t know her if they walked past her on the street, unless they Yeah, loved southern hospitality, and the same kind of goes for Wes, he’s newer. So when a picture gets out, you do wonder who sent it. Could you have asked the waitress to take the picture, and did you yourself send it to du mois? Possible could be, because if her and the boyfriend had just had a fight and then the picture got posted, and then she was in Charlotte making up with him a DA. It worked Savage, but savage. And if she was in a committed relationship and there wasn’t a beef with her and her boyfriend, she would have gone to that dinner with somebody else, even if it was like the brand deal person, like, you know what I’m saying, so that it was your three of that like, so there’s all different. She could have been making her boyfriend Jack.
This is what I’m saying. Yeah, no, I’m picking it up. I got a little, a little tea though. Oh, I don’t really know if it’s tea so much as speculation that I believe to be true, which is a lot of stuff that we talk about here. I love when people, like, quote us, and they’re like, oh, and they said this. And it’s like, guys, some of this is our opinion. It’s like, you also make educated guesses. Yeah, exactly. But we get to at least the people do quote us, and at least, at least they’re giving us the credit, because a lot of people don’t, because it’s like we always say, it’s puzzles, right? I know this and this because several different people told me so from that, I deduct this. So I was speaking with a cocktail source who I love, and they said to me, I said to them, because we were discussing the picture of him and Mia, and I’m like, I don’t know what it is, but he’s really grown on me. I mean, like, looks wise when he first came on the show, I wouldn’t have not that he’s bad looking, but like, it wouldn’t have been where I was like, Oh, he’s so cute. But in this picture, and in recent pictures, he looks so cute. And the source was like, B and the source is a guy, right? So sometimes women can tell women have had done stuff, because maybe they’ve done it, like lip filler or whatever. He’s like, he’s had some good filler work done to his face. Now I’m not saying I’m not hating just so you guys know, but a bunch of you guys have said to me, why does West look cuter? So yes, I think it’s because he’s grown on us. But I also think that he may have actually had, I don’t know if you guys know there’s this comedian, Matt Reif, I don’t even follow him, but I remember there was a scandal and that his face looks completely different. And now we know young men, as they become more mature, a lot of times their jaw, jaw line does get naturally more defined, but a lot of times they get filler. And when they’re famous, it’s more likely, and it makes them look better. So yes, I absolutely think that West had something done to his face, because he’s definitely rocking the more Brad Pitt jawline, good for him, yeah, which is totally, and I am not saying this in a shady way. Women do it. Men do it also. Somebody who’s in their circle told me that Jesse, they had heard that West and Jesse were in consideration for the spin off, but that West had some salty comments about it not being a good fit. So I don’t know what that’s about, but this person said that they knew Jesse from the beginning till now, and that now he has a huge ego and acts like a celebrity, which we’ve heard before. Yeah, that’s kind of a bummer to hear. But I say I mean, and I think we all agree, like, let Wes and Jesse start the next generation on summer house. We don’t need to see them everywhere all the time. And we celebrate Plastic Surgery here. Yes, I mean, I’m mostly, I’ve never been anything beyond Botox and like, I’ve done a little filler here and there, but nothing could I celebrate it? Because I will as one, as you guys know, one day there will be a day, there will be a day. So good for him. I think we’re just gonna have to take the week off too, because we’re just gonna do it at the same time when we do it. Yeah, we are, maybe we’ll give maybe that. Maybe we’ll finally show ourselves. Listen, once we get the perfect faces only post face lift. But you know what, I am a little scared of, what? Because what stops you from plastic surgery, or at least me, is, like, the fear, right? Like the recovery and like the pain and the like, Oh God, what if I die on the table. But once you do it, you can see it’s kind of like tattoos. People like, get a tattoo, and then they keep going. Like, I could see how it would be addictive, and then you end up looking cray. Cray, it’s a good thing. It’s expensive. You know, who’s Jace? Looks really good. And I know she like, had work done. But honestly, at the beginning of housewives, it was not great, and now it’s so refined. Is Angie Kay, I feel like she did something between last season and this season, where her face is looking fresh and beautiful. I wonder, why do I feel like she admitted to it? I think she’s definitely admitted to, like, no job and stuff, but something about it now just looks like whatever tweak she got is really working for her. And we I’m, like, out driving carpool last night. I’m getting these texts from B and from Tracy, who you guys know. And Tracy is like, are you guys watching? And I was obviously still driving. She’s like, What is in Lisa’s confessional in Salt Lake City, like, what is going on with her eyes. So, like, if you see it, look at like, to the TV the eye that’s on the right, but which would be her left, it looks like a completely different people did the makeup on just that eye. So I posted a picture, just because I liked, like, whatever she said in the confessional. I reposted it, and everybody like, I almost took the picture down. When everybody comments on something, I almost can’t even keep up with it. And I’m like, Okay, I gotta take this down. I did it. But they’re like, what’s going on with her? I’m like, I don’t know. Bad makeup. Yeah, I don’t know. And I also, yeah, anyway, it’s not like the eyes weren’t symmetrical or something like that. It’s just literally looked like a much more heavy handed person did just one of the eyes. It’s very noticeable. If you guys haven’t watched Salt Lake City, maybe she had like, and listen, I know, especially like with this head cold, I didn’t even want to go on camera to say hi to because sometimes I just feel so puffy and like it could be something like that, a Pink Guy situation. Yeah, I could. I could we.
Love my eyes. Yeah, till next time bye. Everybody.