101. Larry’s Here! Did Tom Gaslight Jo? Lala vs Ariana; Summer House

Larry from @Bravobygays on Instagram and the Bravo by Gays podcast is here! We get INTO it about Vanderpump Rules – starting with Jo. We read the transcript of her interview on Rachel’s Gone Rogue – is she a victim of Tom Shwartz’s gaslighting? Were they actually dating last summer? Larry’s thoughts on the Katie/Tori/Schwartz love triangle. What is actually going on with this Lala/Ariana feud? We have theories. What show does Larry think is Must-See-TV? Thoughts on Jax and Brittany – are they broken up for good? Summer House: We discuss Danielle and Paige; Why we think Paige is setting a great example for people (not just women) in relationships everywhere; Our real opinions on the Summer House newbies; What’s going on with Kyle and Amanda?

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I’m Amanda, let’s get into this week’s tip.
What’s up cocktail errs, and Amanda and Larry
and Larry. Yeah. Hi, guys. Oh, yeah. So
we have Larry from at Bravo by gays, with joining us today. So we’ve been talking about this for a couple of weeks. So, so excited to have you. Thanks.
Oh my god. I love talking with you, girl. So I can’t wait to see what we get into.
Oh, yeah.
Can we mention what you told us or not yet?
Is it too early?
Not yet. I wouldn’t do it yet. Okay.
We have a surprise. We’ll
mention it on the five. We will Yes. And follow Larry, because he he has some fun stuff. We’ll follow him anyway, because he’s awesome. But he’s also got some fun stuff coming up. Okay, so we first posted this back in November. But Bravo has officially confirmed that there will be no Bravo Con this year in November. It won’t return until November. I think it’s 14th through 16th of 2025.
Well, I’m so. So yeah, I want to get your thoughts on it here. Here’s what I’m thinking. The Olympics are this year. Yeah, hugely profitable. Right. I think it’s more than that. I think that they’re looking at it like to put on Bravo con is so expensive. And it’s such an undertaking for the network. But it’s also expensive for fans, right? Most people have to fly hotel. The tickets are pricey. So I think it’s more like they feel like they’ll get a better turnout if they do it every other year, because it’s more like you can’t just be like, Oh, I’ll go next year. What do you think, Larry?
I was under the impression that it was definitely due to the Olympics, because NBC is going to put a lot of money into that probably. And I don’t know what the costs of throwing Bravo con would be. But I would assume that they would make their money back like, if not more, you know what I mean? Like they’re definitely making a profit, like, based off like advertisements for it. And the companies that sponsor and I would assume I heard
no, oh, I heard they don’t make a ton of money. But I mean, that’s what’s source. I don’t know if that’s true. But if it was hugely profitable, I think they would do both. Yeah,
I mean, it definitely is to like have to like take the time off of work and like book, The flights and the hotels and the tickets. It definitely can get a little pricey if you’re looking for going the entire weekend. For me. I like I like to have looked forward to it the past couple of years just because it’s So much fun. Like you get to see people other like fan accounts you get to like see like, the brown celebrities also I look forward to it every year and I’ll like make like a whole like trip out of it. But I get it for the average person who’s looking to go from like, probably like the middle of Kentucky can’t afford it every year. So I mean, you
also almost died last time, Larry. Well, Vegas,
I blame it on Vegas. But I was like, as soon as they said it was going back in 2025. I was like, okay, like, I’m ready to go again. But the year off will definitely help. Like, I can’t imagine how long we take i i was like i said yes to everything that was thrown my way in regards to like parties or sponsored things. Like I literally just made the most out of it. So I had the time I went by myself, I had the time of my life. But I can definitely see why they would want to, if they’re looking to do it every other year, why they would go that route because it’s got to take planning from the day, it’s over until the day it starts and the planning have got to be in vain for that. So to do it every other year could definitely give them more time. And it gives people more to look forward to because it’s not like a few minutes ago. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah,
I totally agree.
But I am bummed because I had such a blast in Vegas. It was so much fun. But also I’m just like, okay, like a little bit of a break. I’ll be nice.
Alright, so we haven’t really talked about Joe from Vanderpump Rules. This was quite an episode. This last last episode. She’s been getting a ton of attention just coming really just this whole season. You know, we know that she’s got a confessional spot on the show because she’s got enough of a role. What do we think about her
first year I’ll never forgive her for dyeing Tom’s hair blonde. How do you see today is a wax on that man’s head. Sadly,
I thought followers said to me that as she was dying his hair the staff at the salon kept assisting her. And they think that maybe she originally wasn’t dyeing it blonde but that like she messed up so there was like, nothing else to do.
I noticed that because I watched it again this morning. And yes, the lady who was in the chair next to her was like is his hair okay, well, yeah.
Well, and it kind of wasn’t because like I feel like they he needed a little more toner. I don’t know anything about hair, but like it turned out a little more yellow than what I would call platinum.
Yes, this but in regards to like her overall, I felt really sorry for her. This I felt sorry for her at Ziggy’s at that party. Listen, did she know about the Rachel Tom affair? You know, she says that she didn’t. I don’t think she was really ever tight with Ariana or anyone else except for Tom Schwartz. So her loyalty is to him. I don’t know if it’s fair to hold that against her what I don’t like if she admitted on camera, she has ADHD. Now, we have no way of knowing if the cast knew that. But you know, they’re calling her a crackhead. And all of these things and like if in fact she is neurodivergent or on the spectrum, looking at it from that scope does make it icky. And then this week, what forgetting about that because the cat like I just think, yeah, she wasn’t Oh, them. Right, right. And I don’t think they were close with her. So in the same way that I don’t fault them for calling her crackhead and whatever. It’s just because they don’t really know her. And she seemed that way, right? The same way that she didn’t really know them. So she didn’t have a loyalty to not hook up with shorts because it wasn’t like she was besties with Katie. She didn’t have a loyalty to tell Ariana anything because of anything. She was friends with Rachel, once again, it all comes down to shorts. Like he’s clearly using her. And in this situation. You see him making out with a girl in front of her. And I know she went on Rachel’s pod and we were sent a recap of that. So I kind of feel like he’s mistreating her. He’s manipulating her and the cast. It’s like she’s a puppy surrounded by wolves.
Yeah, I mean, okay, so I found her very strange. But now that we know that she has ADHD, I don’t think it’s fair to make fun of her making robot noises. But I read the transcript of her going on Rachel’s podcast, and this definitely changed my viewpoint a little bit. Larry, I don’t know if you’ve heard about this yet. So Joe says that she and Tom Schwartz were absolutely fully together. And that Tom was the one lying to everybody about it. There are friends to end to fans. And that at the reunion everyone realized that it was actually Tom who had been lying the whole time, not Joe because it kind of makes it look like You know, Joe’s been the one who’s like, oh, nothing’s going on. Right? She says that when they went to the singles party that in the car on the way there, Tom said, I’m gonna put on like a yellow or rest red wristband. But then once they got to the party he put on the green. And that upset her. So she left. She said that after she left, he then made out with the chick that we saw with the hat, whatever on the show. But then he still came home to Joe, and he lied to her about it and said that he didn’t kiss anybody. And that she found out from the producers during a confessional session that he did make out with that girl and that he lied to her about it.
So her storming off was probably when she saw the color of his bracelet, but they kind of made it look like it was when he was kissing the girl.
They Yeah, I think they edited it that way. I mean,
because when they were all sitting down at the table, the lady came over with the wristbands, and said, like, is everybody here single? Tom said, Yes, I’m single. And even Joe said, yeah, yeah. And they got the wristbands from that woman. So she knew that he put the single wristband on in that moment, unless it’s editing, correct me if I’m wrong, she went over after she sobbed them kissing. And then was like, oh, what incarnation is going on over here. And then of course, she may have been like, a little upset by that. And then she left from there. So if I’m just coming to let you know that I’m leaving.
So she said on the podcast, like it wasn’t, she didn’t leave right after the like the the recipe and upset her. And that he then she then saw him flirting with the girl and with the hat. And he asked her to help him get the hat back, because he didn’t have 70 in storage or whatever. And that, that he kept flirting with the girl and talking to the girl. And something about like they did a shot or something together. And that’s when that’s when she left. So, I mean, I see no reason to not believe her. Because it’s kind of sad when you read this, like I read when she talks about how like, she was very deeply in love with him and like says that she’s still not over it, and that it’s going to take a really long time to get over it. So you mean you just feel kind of sorry,
you had the conversation that next day, when he was like, yeah, no, no, I don’t want to be in a relationship. But like, I will we like hanging out. He’s basically like, yeah, I don’t want to give up us banging, but you just have to let me do whatever I want. And I was like, very proud that she was like, no, because you could see it was very hard for her. He was like, Okay, so maybe we’ll hang out less and she’s like, or not at all. I
almost wish she would have spoken up a little bit more in regards to like what they were in the moment when they were together. Because even in the Anna jofan like Sorry, I understand like, we learned now that like she has ADHD in the moment not knowing that watching the show. I’m like this woman is she looks crazy. And now knowing of course I’ll like take that into consideration when I don’t talk about her. So i i But if I ever do, I will take them into consideration. But even at the hair salon, because I don’t I don’t necessarily agree 100% with you guys, but even in the hair salon, he was talking about how he went on a date the night before. So she knew that like he was still dating people. And he has said like in front of her before that. Like he’s single. So like, I wish if that were not the case, in that moment, if there were people in front of them or one that she could say like, wait, what like that when we’re alone? Like that’s not the case? Do you know what I mean? Like it’s just they open up more?
i You don’t think there’s a world in which the manipulator of all manipulators Schwartz was like listen, it’s obvious like saying to her like obviously we’re together you know how I feel about you but for the show, I don’t want to be on there with you as my girlfriend because you’re gonna get more heat and it’ll be worse for you and Katie will come for us and and I’m not really into this girl like I totally and like of course she’s naive to fall into it and to believe him but I can totally see a world where she was led to believe that he was just acting that way for the cameras but really they were a thing
I mean Well yeah, I can see that but also like Ben girl he said that’s you and like that’s it you you like if that’s not what you want to portray then don’t go on the show. She signed the contract to go on the show and have the still like what does she think she’s gonna be like portrayed that they were like this happy couple like girl. There’s been multiple moments throughout the season already where he has like, very much said that. He is like, not with you in front of you. That’s
true. Yeah. And now he’s got no young girlfriend and he’s completely done with her and cut her off.
Yeah and also I mean, I don’t know if you guys watch Watch What Happens Live with Sheena on Brock. But even Andy had asked Sheena if they thought Joe was like the right person for Tom and I mean, she even said like there’s just so much more to the story that we don’t know about Joe. Because don’t forget that when her and Tom got divorced Joe texts Katie and was like I’m here for you girl love you like all this stuff. And we’ve heard so much about Joe from being Kristin Dodi’s ex best friend. I mean, she kind of gives Kristin Dodi vibes a little with like how crazy she is. So like, I just would not put it past her to like now be looking to be the victim when she looks she could potentially be like very manipulative behind the scenes. You know what I mean? Especially
if she’s taking cues from Rachel, who I don’t listen to her podcast, but every time I see a clip or whatever, she’s just totally rewriting what we all live through. Ryan’s like, it’s like Rachel. Right. And I don’t even think they can you fucked up. But like, we know, we were there. We were all there. Anybody
watching this season? I’m like, I feel like I’ve seen this already. But it’s only because so much of it got leaked during filming from people sending stuff to people that I’m like, Oh, wait, I’ve seen this before because it came out in real time. I don’t think also that Joe has any type of she doesn’t need to have loyalty towards Katie or towards Ariana. She was not their friends. Right. But also you’re not going to tell me that you and Rachel traveled together to Big Bear and it did not once crossed your mind that YouTube we’re going to meet the times and like something may be going on. Oh, I don’t believe I don’t believe you didn’t know. I think you’re saying you didn’t know so you don’t get heat online? Yeah,
yeah, I Oh, there’s no way she didn’t know
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There’s also a thing and Larry, you bring up a good point because listen, agreed she’s not wrong. She has no loyalty to Katy and Ariana, however now when you’re at Hotel Ziggy, and you think you’re just going to pop up and be embraced. It felt like they were throwing eggs at her they kind of would just snickering and laughing which I would do if you know what I’m saying. If I’m Katie’s friend and Ariana is friend, Joe is the enemy to me.
100% and he nor he said, Well, you’re not gonna go up and embrace her and be like, Oh, can I get you a drink? Like it’s just not going to happen?
I think that the sympathy comes in because she is on an island by herself. But that’s only during filming. She didn’t feel bad for them when she was going to Big Bear to your point. Right? She didn’t feel bad for Christine when she went back on the show after like, because that’s why her and Kristen fell out. Oh was Well, I think Joe lied to Kristen about stuff was Schwartz. But then Joe was like very anti Vanderpump Rules and like totally supported Kristen. And then the second she had the opportunity to film she did and so that’s why Kristin and hurry.
Like I just I don’t trust her. I don’t trust her. Yeah,
I’ve been all over the place with her and not bad for her
a little bit. But I also think that a lot of it is her own doings say it like that. Yeah. Okay,
so we see in this episode of this most recent episode that Tom Schwartz has been out on at least a date With Tori, the girl with a bright pink hair, who is the friend slash nanny of Sheena. And funny enough, it comes up in the same episode about how Schwartz kissed Raquel in front of everyone. She knows wedding. And then we see Katie do a similar thing. Make our Tori at the bar in front of everybody. And we find out that now both shorts and Katy seem to be dating her. I don’t know. But I think this might be a reality TV, at least Bravo first, where an ex husband and ex wife are dating the same person.
I find it so stupid.
I was obsessed.
I loved I just I don’t know, I was like, I was just excited to see something beyond Tom and Ariana. You know what I mean? I’m like, Okay, we’re gonna get a little something from somebody else. Because all we’re getting from Sheena is them looking for an ame. And like, you know what I mean? Like, it was another kind of story to like, kind of be into aside from the scan of all of everything. But it
just felt like a storyline now, like, first of all good for Tori, because she doesn’t want any of these old people without any three looks so young, and she’s so pretty. And she’s an aspiring singer. Sadly for she you know, she’s not an aspiring nanny. If I like, like, listen, it’s great to watch. But it’s also stupid. Right?
Cut it into Katie like, didn’t mind at all and like I thought it was kind of funny how she like was bantering a little bit with Tom like I’m actually using his ex wife and but then like, what was she was fully happy to take the entire bottle of champagne that he bought her and then go make out with Katie, which I found out it’s funny. That was
hilarious. I love like watching single Katie this season. I think that she’s just like, really standing in her own and I’m like, I’m just obsessed with it. And she’s like, You know what? Fuck my ex husband. I think this girl’s cute. She should be with me. I’m gonna take her away and make out with her. And that’s exactly what she did.
I love that she banged Max.
Oh my god. I know say
James in the after show calling Katie a legend like would any of us have all the surprising twists and turns? Katie and James actually enjoying each other and being friends has to be the wildest
twist. I’m obsessed with them being beat
obsessed and it’s so funny because they have the same gangster energy Yeah. Which is why they didn’t get along at a point and now that they have like the common Tom’s as whatever I don’t want to say enemies but it’s just so great. And as JR gets like, yes, James is like Katie is a legend. I love her.
I would pay very good money to see their text messages just back and forth. Same
I’m sure there’s larious I did love James as well this episode when he was like, Guys does nobody else thinks you guys think this is normal. Like Katie and Tom were married like white wedding dress marriage like now they’re divorced. And they’re both dating this young girl like this is fucking weird. Like it’s not normal.
Why we’re on the subject of James What are your thoughts on ally?
I love her.
Do you I love her too. Do you think she really loves James or do you think it’s a platform for her or do you think it’s a little bit of both
she doesn’t come off to me as the type was looking for a platform for fame. I think she truly does like him I know that she now she’s coming out with like a music and like that kind of thing. But I don’t know if I feel like it’s real like you think that’s this is the platform you’re gonna get for it like me you may do that a couple downloads you know what I mean? I don’t know I don’t I don’t see her as being the type that would go after someone for some type of thing.
Right she didn’t ever exactly hit like Kelly Clarkson with good as before I can tell you that a lot of my followers have told me that they have worked with Ali on reading their birth charts and that she was phenomenal. So if anyone is interested in that but you guys right why
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But here’s what’s what I found interesting Larry and I don’t know if you saw us post this so I watched clips of Watch What Happens Live I didn’t see the whole thing. But and correct me if I’m wrong. She not presented it as if everything was 100% great with her and Arianna? Right.
Kind of not really. She didn’t say like everything is roses and butterflies and fish. She really said that like she went to go see Ariana on the last day that Ariana did Chicago and she hasn’t Talk to her since but she’s waiting until Ariana moves back to LA so they can get like some one on one time and like see what’s going on there? Oh,
okay because this is what’s interesting. So someone who follows me was actually at the last performance of Chicago which was this past Sunday, and they said that Brock and Sheena were there and someone went over to Ariana his family to see I guess like a handler or whatever, to see if Sheena would be leaving with them. And Ariados mom made a current comment to the effect of oh, now she is not getting in this car. Oh,
maybe Sheena did say and watch what happens live though that they she did see her after the show, like gave her a hug and talked to her for a minute.
Yeah, well, because she now of course, is in your face. And you have fans and everybody watching. If she doesn’t, and you know what the you know what the thing about Sheena is she probably went to the show. Knowing Ariana wasn’t happy about her and would have been perfectly happy for the headline instead of Oh, Ariana is last night on Broadway. The headline to be Ariana Shan Sheena and Brock at the last but you know what I’m saying? Yeah, so I bet you anything. Ariana in her head was like, What the fuck is this thirst trap doing here? Right? And smiled and played nice because there was no way she was going to give her the satisfaction of getting that headline getting those clicks because that’s all she gives a shit about. But she had her brother. What do you think we spoke about this last part. But what are your thoughts on Ariana is brother doing an US Weekly article? And she’d having the brother over for his engagement when Ariana and the brother apparently aren’t really talking? It’s
often weird. I think it’s weird that he even went into the US Weekly article. It’s almost like he was like looking for a check. And even in there, he said he got engaged at Jackson bar. And Jackson Chino were there like, what? How romantic. That’s so I don’t like it at all. I think the third Thursday of Sheena posted on her Instagram, knowing that they’re kind of in the midst of a feud. Like why would you do that to your friend. It was like a dig to Ariana. In regards to what you said as well, though about like, Ariana not wanting the headline. I can definitely see where you like where that would be true because she thinks about like that way now in regards to her interactions of what what the headline will be, because we noticed that this season when when Lila confronted her about not coming to Sheena’s defense about that photo. Arianna was like well, I don’t want me saying something to become a headline. I was like, oh, so your mind is then like what are people gonna say about this? Yeah,
yeah, it’s her last performance. Right? And not only does she not want the headline, but she’s smart. She doesn’t want to detract from herself. And I think her and Katie are very smart because you have Lala out there on her podcast, slamming them on her Instagram. Now she unfollowed them. Lala is doing everything in her power to get a public feud going. And Katie’s like, I’m good. Ariana is like, I’m good. Like, we’re not giving you the time of day with it. Yeah.
I just know what is now there. Now when she said like, oh, well, I’m gonna wait for her to come back to LA and see what happens. Like we’re not going to see that. So we’re not going to know exactly what went down between the two of them. You know,
we’ll get Sheena’s version on Sheena’s podcast. Exactly yeah.
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also think like so Katie’s a little bit more talkative I guess on social media, Ariana is not so even if they are like both really pissed I don’t really see them taking it so much to social media and they might be just feel like I’m we’re done with you. Logs I have to wonder if behind the scenes there is a big rift happening with the cast, right and I’m betting Sheena doesn’t know where the fuck to go excuse my language because so while LA has been talking a lot and I listened to the podcast that she did with to Lolos podcast that she did with Heather McDonald I mean Lala is she’s she’s as you said be she’s going full force. Yeah. You know, she says Arianna never said up for anybody when they were together and Tom Sienna vol would yell at women. And then Lala says, you know, if Ariana is so upset on the breakup, why didn’t she move out? And then the biggest thing is something be that you’ve been saying. Lawless as well. You know, this is the this show is what brings us all of our opportunities. We better not screw this up. And so I wonder if the fight is really more about either trying to keep the show going. And lawless doing this on purpose. Or if what Lala is really mad about is that Katie and Ariana aren’t playing ball
in regards to keeping the show going. Yeah. And like, well
play ball as far as like, you know, like,
fight battles show up to some of these things. But they’re like, they’re still they’re not, you know, they’re not just bowing down and making things you know, work. They didn’t go on the cast trip to Lake Tahoe, like some of those things. And I wonder if Lala is feeling like, the show is kind of falling through everyone’s hands. And, you know, it’s yeah, let’s agree to do something.
That isn’t a point. But I also don’t think that the girls really like, are the type of people that are just going to do it for the show. They’re going to if they’re going to film something, they’re going to film what they want to and like have it be natural, because we’re still seeing Katie and Lila go at it when they’re together and like in person, like those two are at each other’s throats. Like we’re still seeing like interactions like with well,
because LoL is doing stuff for camera time to be relevant. Because the reality is okay, we see her go to the Cairo, crud, whatever the sperm bank. What’s your storyline other than sitting with Ariana and this? This is okay, so these are the things and I like Lala. But these are the things that rubbed me the wrong way. First of all, her and Sheena I enjoy the conversation they had with Ariana Yeah. Which I think was really constructive. I think that they were sympathetic to her but they were also like, Listen, this is about you’re moving forward your mental health your peace, right? But then you go to cut to the confessional. And Lala is saying the exact opposite, slamming her every way to Sunday. On the pod with Heather McDonald. She’s about her house. Oh, yeah, it’s not like she got some bowling how she got a cute little three bedroom house. Like that wasn’t necessary. Yeah,
but second, I feel like that was after the reunion we the fight went down. So we already know that they don’t fuck with each other.
And it’s after the reunion but see to me, this is where Lala loses. People like me, right? Yeah. So like, I get it. I get that you’re trying to keep the show going. I get what you filmed with Joe, I get why you called Rachel, I get all of that. Now you had a fight with Ariana you can make your point but that when you stoop and insult her house, which is a huge accomplishment, and then you stoop and you make and she’ll say she was just talking about the nuances of the dad’s relationship. dead parents are off limits period and story. Don’t bring up a nuance. Don’t try to make an analogy. Leave it alone. Like she made valid points. I don’t disagree with her that Tom’s a piece of shit. But Ariana was the one with him for a decade. I don’t disagree with Lala on that. I have said many times like I used to be like What the hell is Ariana doing with this guy? He’s so fucking rude to Katie. He’s so rude to law like, I always felt that way too. lol is right about that. Okay, but now you’re going to insult her accomplishments. You’re going to bring up her dead father you lose people there she goes too far like yeah, like she goes on a campaign to completely discredit the person where you can prove your point that Ariana isn’t a saint and that Ariana has made mistakes without making yourself look So Patty Yeah,
like what a What? Are you jealous about her house? And like, almost you know what I mean? Like, are you but I feel like a lot of a couple of the girls, I feel like are obviously jealous of, like the stuff that, uh, that like has come her way as a result of the breakup and like good for her like, good for Ariana. She she deserves like all of that and more for what she had to go through. But yes, she does take it a little too far. Like, why are you like, why are you insulting like her home? I guess you’re mad
about it because she uses people when she does that, like leave it at like leave it at the Tom situation. Leave it at she didn’t stick up for me. She didn’t do this and that, like, leave it at that don’t bring in stuff that now you’re gonna be like, Huh? Yeah,
it’s like you’re gonna you’re she’s gone below the belt. And none of us know why. Because we haven’t seen the episode yet. Exactly.
And not for anything. I hear Lala made $700,000 this season. Her Amazon live brings in about $400,000. So she’s doing just fine for everyone wondering how she bought the house. Yeah. But Lola is very cognizant that it’s all hinged on Vanderpump Rules. I mean, let’s face it, she walk jacks and Kristen go from rolling high to rolling low. Yeah,
she was without the show. What is her income? That’d be right.
And that’s what she’s literally says on that podcast, you know, and like, and I want to go back to something you said, Larry, because I couldn’t agree more. You know, I don’t I think you’re right, when you say Katie and Ariana won’t like if they’re not feeling something, they won’t film it and they won’t do something they don’t want to do. And I think that’s what has made this show. Good. Right is like a lot of the like, like stupid storylines. Like that they didn’t really play along with that should and that’s why we’ve liked it. So I don’t know. I’m really hoping that, you know, the, if the show ends up going away, or if it ends up evolving into two different shows. I really hope it doesn’t mean that we lose our favorite people. Right. You know, there’s been talk about like Katy and Ariana should have a show of the sandwich shop. I would love to see that. There is talk about some of the cast members going to the valley. I would like to see that too. I just don’t want to see everybody I don’t want to see like law law if that’s what law is doing. To fake shit justice to keep the show going. Yeah,
no, I hear what you’re saying. I listen, I wholeheartedly believe that it’s not coming back after this season. I just I that I just do I don’t
Well, that can be LoL is beef, too. So I had heard from a source they’re definitely going to get one more season. But maybe production went up production but maybe the network’s like, you know what, let’s just wrap this up and move on to valley village. Look, maybe that’s well as
being how do you even have another season? What are we going to talk about? I like everyone, I feel like everyone is so overscan the ball. They’re like weed nobody see another season of that. And over
him. Like, I don’t like seeing him.
Yeah, well, guys,
I hear he’s gonna be on traders. So don’t be over him yet. I just vote his ass. Well.
I bet he’ll be one of the first ones to go because people will be like, Get out of here.
We are you know,
we know you’re a liar.
Yeah. My thoughts on the valley.
I’m obsessed. I’m obsessed with the valley. I think it’s moss yet. It’s at the point right now where it is in. We’re only four episodes it is must watch television. It is long, crazy as hell. I love every cast member so far differently. And like some of them I love to hate and it is so freaking good. I will say if anything does happen with Vanderpump Rules, I truly do not think any of them need to transfer over to the valley. I want to keep it fresh with the new faces that were being introduced to you and just keep Kristen Jax and Brittany, because I think it is amazing. I didn’t know what to expect. I love it. And
that might be Lala might be nervous about that too. But yes, this is the other thing. Yeah, they may bring you over to the valley girl. But if it’s based on seniority, they’re gonna give you that check you’re getting on Vanderpump. And we’re all perfectly happy with this new cast. So if you don’t want to take the 100k offer down from your 700k Right, we don’t need you. So what you’re
not you’re definitely she’s not going to make this type of money. She would have Vanderpump Rules on the valley. They don’t have the type of budget yet. It’s a one season show.
Yeah, yeah. Well, and like we can already see where next year is going to be. The next season is going to be really interesting with the breakups of two marriages and seeing the aftermath. Like I’m already invested in what comes sacks and we haven’t even seen the rest of this season. Same,
same I literally like I’m like, Oh my God, this show gets crazier every up every week it gets crazier. Why
are you all in Clary about Jax and Brittany breaking up? Do you think this is for real for good? Like, they’re dunzo.
I think if she was doing this for press she or doing it for ratings for the show, I don’t think she would be going on this press tour, like talking about everything that he has done. I truly believe that they are done. I do not think I just think that she got to the point where she said that, like, I haven’t done with your shit. And she talked about it and watch what happens live. I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t have lied to me about it. Like, I truly think that they are in the midst of a separation like headed for divorce. I just don’t see any way back for the two of them.
I’m with you, Laurie 100%. And I did hear her on a podcast where she actually said like, I want to date I’m ready. Yeah, hook up. And like, I was taken aback at how, you know, firm. She was in that when she said it. But did you see the email that I posted about Jack’s having a limp dick? Oh,
my God. Well, maybe that explains why they’re only doing it twice a year. And she said in the last episode,
what and he said on the last episode that he doesn’t want to and like that really like that, to me was probably the most telling of anything. If he is saying like he doesn’t want sex because that he’s not playing into the trope of like, oh, the wife doesn’t want to want to screw anymore now that we’re married and have a baby like that. He was like, I’m not I’m the one who doesn’t really want to Mike Oh, that’s not
good. Here’s the thing that’s you not wanting it at all, or does he not want it with her? Right
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She claims she hasn’t caught him cheating. Right? And again, they have a child who’s gonna hear about it all one day. I don’t think she really believes that she may not have proof.
Yeah, I saw I just I don’t I just don’t know. I just don’t know if I believe it. I don’t I don’t know if I believe that he did that he didn’t cheat you know, it’s just it’s Jack’s Come on. Right there something were swirling around for years. Yes. She might not have like found anything or like she made like scrubbed Instagram. You’re not going to tell me the guy like didn’t delete messages. Like come on. Right.
And listen, apparently he’s doing so much cocaine. He’s got a limp d by
watching Jesus.
This is the shit that people send Allegedly.
Allegedly, listen, Jack.
That’s where he’s gonna get a lawyer involved. Talk about his limp day, allegedly. But I don’t think she really believes that.
I don’t think so. either. I think she’s saying that just Yes, exactly. Because so her you know, kids don’t eventually write any differently or
whatever. And she also said like, when asked, Are you going to date other people? She’s like, Oh, yeah, I’m excited to hook up and like he can do whatever he wants. I think she’s just I think she’s saying that about I think she’s saying that to just get ahead of it because she just knows it to me. matter of time before there’s a video of him making out with 20 year old fat
oh, we’re good. I said we can do whatever. Well, exactly.
I mean, I wonder if like he and Tom Santa la are going out and
a 100% Are they like, Oh, they’re all like the three amigos are back. Like, of course they are. And
I mean, I can’t put myself in the shoes because I wouldn’t have been there. But like, I wonder how the 20 year olds react to those guys when they walk in and like, do they look up? Like, are they like, Oh, they’re so handsome and like, are they like, they’re like kind of heroes, but I’ll hook up just in case I can get some followers out of it.
I would say the latter. I will say when I did go to an event where Jax was there. The girls flocked to him. Like they like oh my god. Like he’s still got it. He’s very handsome in person.
He’s very good. He sat but now that he’s back on TV. Yeah, like when he first when they saw off launched them and he was on like that. Watch What Happens Live. You feel like he was alright. But now you’re like, Oh, God, this guy’s insufferable. Like, how do you blame Britney? Right?
I’m so happy. She’s literally getting out of it. Like how to do that for that eight years. Right?
Yeah, I only just sick of his shit. Yeah,
I don’t I don’t use that. Oh, sorry.
Let me go ahead.
No, go ahead.
I was gonna say but I also agree with what you said like how are these young girls like, when they like go up to them? Because like, I’ll even like watch Vanderpump Rules when like, Tom went up to that table girls and like, how are these girls not like you’re disgusting. Do not talk to us. Like, everyone knows what scandal was? You know what I mean? Like, everyone knows who they are. They’ve been on television for a decade. And they know their antics like it any normal, like, grow would be like Ill No thank you.
Right. Right. And maybe that does happen and they just don’t show it.
Right. And we met you. I mean, you gotta you never know production could have been like, Hey, girls want some free drinks. Just let them talk to you for a minute,
right? Yeah, like the girl who was like, I like it when men wear women’s jewelry. Yeah. Okay. Um, all right. Let’s talk about summer house because it has been so good. And I know you’re a big summer house person. Fan. So mid season trailer just came out. There is a lot to unpack just from the season so far that we want to hear your thoughts on. But one of the standout moments in that trailer is Danielle talking to Paige and telling her she’s giving Craig nothing. Yeah,
if I could have jumped at the camera, I’d be like you better leave paid for the fact that well. I hate love Danielle too. I do love Danielle. This is the thing I feel like with that specific moment is like, grow up do not keep up with what’s going on like online or like in the news like, Paige and Craig have been very, very, very vocal about how they’re doing things on their own time. They’re spending half their time in New York half their time in Charleston. We know Paige is not ready to leave New York. She is just moving into a new apartment. So she signed another lease. So she’s not leaving New York anytime soon. I get that it’s your job. But like, Did you not learn your lesson from what you did last season with Lindsay and Carl and I’m assuming she didn’t. And now she’s like realizing it’s going to play out this season because she posted a story that was like, wow, you thought I really would have learned something. But I just continue to step in it. Like she just keeps putting yourself in these weird asked positions like also it like, I don’t know, it just drove me insane. But I love how Paige is like, Who the fuck do you think you are? Well,
I just first of all, I’m not taking relationship advice from Danielle.
Right. Like any first Did you watch winter house? Come on? Yeah.
Yeah. But I think that Paige is such a good example for girls her age younger girl, right? older girls. She said and what she said last. I don’t know if it was last episode or whatever, that her and Craig are navigating issues now that many people don’t and lead to divorce. Right? It’s so smart. It’s so interesting to see the juxtaposition of Lindsay and Carl not navigating any of these issues and watching everything blow up in real time. And Craig and Paige, like doing the hard stuff at the front of everything. And to a certain extent watching Kyle and Amanda struggle with stuff to write. The reality is Paige has an uber successful career. Craig has an over sex successful career. And all she’s saying is like, I’m not going to put myself in a position where I’m compromised. Seeing future income to run to Charleston, I don’t think it’s that she doesn’t want to live in Charleston. Charleston is beautiful. I think it’s a lot more layered than that. I don’t think it’s just that she doesn’t want to leave her parents. Because I think that her parents would go to Charleston or they get a place in Charleston, she said as much, right? I think it’s like, she’s not in a rush, because I don’t believe that Paige and Craig would put children on a reality show. And I think that when they settle down, and not just when they get married, but when they start a family, I think that they’re going to try to not not be involved in Bravo at all, but maybe flip it maybe Paige would, you know, she does those Amazon live, she does Good Morning America, or that sort of thing? Because I don’t see them putting the I could be wrong. But I don’t see them putting their kids on television and putting their marriage on display in the way that Kyle and Amanda do as an example. I don’t know. Yeah, I don’t see that at all. So I feel like they’re like, let’s make our money. Let’s get this out of the way. And then we’ll still have our hands in it. And we’ll still have income coming in. And of course, you’ll always have giggly squad, and she can do her shows and her podcast, but I think she’s doing it smart. And I think like Danielle is still trying to get an app launch girl, right?
How hard I am. And it’s just like watching
him like grow like who are you like of all people to like, throw your two cents into what she is doing. And her relationship like unless you are one of her friends she talks to every day, like Amanda or Hannah, or Sierra, like you’re going based off of what you see when like, while you’re still on where you guys might have a couple events together like or what you see online, like you don’t really know, but I get also it’s your job to like, stir it up, stir it up a little bit. But I think she also realizes that what she said was kind of fucked up. So I’m interested to see how that plays out. But guys this season, I’m obsessed.
I think it’s like a sexism thing, too. And I know a lot of us, women are guilty of it just as much. It’s almost like Danielle, the strong, independent, independent woman is saying like, you have a catch, like so many women would die to be with Craig and he’s so successful. Like, what’s the holdup? Right? It’s like, no, no, no, I’m successful in my own right. And let’s not forget, if Paige wanted a woman who would just fall I’m Paige if Craig wanted a woman who would just follow him around and move into his house. And like he could have that. Yeah. So obviously, he’s attracted to her ambition and her success and her having her own career. And I’m impressed by it. And I think it’s a really good example for all of us to like, not take a backseat to the man, right? I
couldn’t love her more for saying I don’t ever want to feel like, you know, no, I don’t want Craig to pay for a part of my apartment. Like, when she uses the example of how she went on the trip and the guy. She wanted to go back earlier. And he said no, because he was paying for the ticket. She was like never again, and I’m like, we need to put this in a time capsule. For all, you know, not just all women but people in relationships, right? That she’s saying I want to come and on equal I want to be on equal ground with him. That to me would have like extrapolate that to all of the decisions are making and I love it and I don’t think that they need to make a permanent commitment to living anywhere. I think they absolutely can live into different cities together as a married couple and go back and forth. But like, why is everybody’s in such a rush? Like what if they never get married? Like that’s okay, right? It’s
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That’s the thing to write. And so they’ve only been together for what two years though people are like trying to put this timeline on them of like, what needs to be done. And my thing is, like, she has said, like, I want to be with you like, I’m not going anywhere. If I did not want to be with you like I would not be here. But yes, they’re taking steps towards like making their life what it should be before getting into like an engagement or a marriage. But I feel like that’s also like very like New York City is shove her like career driven, strong woman like focus on work and making sure everything is right before she does something for like, a man or just like not, she’s just not gonna get married just because oh, I’m 30 I need to get married now and have a kid in the next year and a half where his credit is in the south. And you can tell credit wants to propose, but he’s really like, it almost seems like he’s like waiting until he thinks that she’s ready. But that also could be like, the southern guy in him where like, he feels like the next step he needs to do is be married have a kid in a year to have paint, you know what I mean? It’s it’s like two different worlds that they’re in. But like, I’m glad that they’re kind of navigating it the way that they should be. Does that make sense? Like, totally,
I’m here for it. I think that it’s also very much based on their careers. And it makes sense like this really, life can be very short lived. So make your money. What’s the right?
I can totally see page going. It’s like hosting to like, buy her out to LA to do a red carpet during award season that would totally up her alley. And she doesn’t need to be in LA or New York for that like it is 2020 for her she can do that from a studio in South Carolina. Like it is so easy. You don’t
have Juliana, look at the E News correspondent Juliana Yeah, she married a guy who lived in Chicago. She worked in LA they split their time. People travel for work. Yeah, every my husband travels for work. Many people travel for work. It’s not that big of a freaking deal. Yeah, we got to hear your thoughts on the newbies who we all love. I initially loved west but I can tell you Jesse has really grown on me.
Yeah, I had. I’m obsessed with both of them. Wes Wilson Conrad, I will I will call him by all three of his names and Jesse Solomon, what would justice I will then do, I am obsessed with both of them. Now. I will say in the beginning of the season, I was a little standoffish with Jessie because of the way he was like hating on Paige, like not caring that she had a man and I was like, Oh, I’m gonna have to wait to see how Craig interacts with this guy before I forgot my decision. But I love him just as much now and getting to see the midseason trailer of like, what he’s going through a regard to a potential health scare. And like, oh, last hugging him on the bed. I was like, I never want a summer house without these two guys on it.
That broke my heart. I don’t know. We won’t. I mean, God willing, everything’s okay with him. I agree. At first I was like, because of course we love Craig page together. So we’re like, Wait a minute. And at first I didn’t find him like so good looking. But every time I see him I’m like, Wow, he really easy he is attractive. He is that smile. He’s got nine grandmas out. Yeah,
he really does. He’s a great looking guy. I like him a lot.
So may have a question for you guys have I’ve been thinking about with Jesse. I’m curious to get both of your opinions. So because
I have to say sidelining, like early 30s. I don’t know. Yeah,
no idea.
Okay, my question is, so Jesse says, I go out, you know that he goes out on dates, you know, almost every night of the week, but he is really looking for something serious. And you know, once eventually to settle down. Do you think that he is being genuine when he says that if he’s if he’s dating that much?
Well, yeah, maybe he’s just dating that much because he hasn’t found a girl he wants to strictly stay dated.
Yeah, I think that wait, I think maybe he’s just turned 30. But yeah, I feel like there was a scene when he’s like, Yeah, but like, because somebody actually Amanda said that to him or something similar to that. And he was like, Well, you know, I’m 30 so I have to like, kinda, I mean, it was Kyle and him drunk in the kitchen, cause like, yeah, when I was 30, and it’s like, now Kyle’s 42 And so maybe just filtering out of your system. I think that Jesse is like a lot of people who like it. expect it to like knock him off his feet. And I also and I was watching the after show and I forget, maybe it was Lindsey who said like, he goes out and the girls just swarm to him because I get the height. We know from Austin, these women love tall guys. And the smile, and now he’s got a little bit of fame. So I definitely see him being in like a page cried type situation. Like, I think he’s gonna have a successful reality television run. I could see him getting with either like an actress or like a Bravo celebrity. Like I definitely could see that. I think part of the reason he liked Paige is because not only is she beautiful and funny, but she’s successful. And she’s wealthy now. I mean, you know, it’s attractive. Yeah. And so I see him kind of wanting the whole package like, he wants somebody who’s hot, obviously, but also want somebody who’s like, like, Paige hot, cool, successful. So I think if he finds that person, yes, I think now he has so many opportunities around him that it’s going to be harder to re settle down.
And maybe he wanted that going in. But now he’s got a little bit of fame. So maybe he doesn’t want it that much now and he wants to kind of stay a single for a little bit and do whatever he’s gonna do while he’s got this newfound fame. Who knows? But I think he I think in the moment, he definitely is serious about like, finding someone. Yeah.
What do you think about West and Western Sierra? Larry.
I love them. I wish it was a summer romance that would have lasted. But I unfortunately, believe that it did not. But I like watching. I like watching Sierra with a new guy. I think that they are great together. Like when we’re watching them on television. And I don’t know what I don’t mean to you guys know, I don’t know what the Fallout was or what the cause was for them to no longer be together. But I hope they’re still reveling in like, can be civil in the House next season. If they come back, you know, so
what I heard is there was no huge Fallout, it just kind of naturally fizzled out. I would I think, I think that Ciara went into it. And she was like, Oh, he’s cute. He’s really intimate. This is a great storyline. And I think she liked him. And then I think when filming stopped, she was probably busy with her modeling and her this and her that and traveling and whatever. And it fizzled out. And maybe he didn’t like go hard to pursue it. Because now he got his little bit of fame and getting invited to things right. Because you go from nothing to like, Bravo being like, Oh, come to this event come to that event. Yes. Do that. So I think it was probably more on her that it fizzled, but he didn’t I’m sure Sierra is going to be like, well, you know, he didn’t really call like that kind of thing. But I heard that like, since it’s not bad terms. It’s very easy that when they start filming again, it starts up again.
Okay. Yeah. I love to hear about that. I’m
okay with that. Yeah, so I think that Ciara liked him. But I also think it was convenient because let’s not forget Seattle wasn’t slated to be full time originally. Right? And then like some other things didn’t work out. Was it Sam and Cory or whatever, but I need your opinion on something else. Yeah. What’s going on with Kyle and Amanda? Like they’re really off and even their most recent Watch What Happens Live episode, she still had the same vibe. Yeah, I love them. I feel like staying on reality TV
is not going to be their demise. I feel like
and I get it because he needs feels he needs to do it for business. But I do think that it’s a point that, like, both things aren’t going to succeed,
right? And even on that, watch what happens live and he was like, what was that? And she’s like, I went into the summer like so annoyed by him anything he did would like really pissed me off. And I was like, Girl, we all know we watched the first two episodes where you like, literally were running away to talk shit about him behind like, a wall. I just think that listen, I think Kyle is such a party boy. And he’s so social. And he loves to be like, seen and beat like he likes to be in the scene and be seen. And she is at the point where she wants kids and she doesn’t want to be in the city anymore. She wants to be in the suburbs. And if they do not come to some type of mutual like agreement as to how they’re going to move forward. I don’t think that they’re going to end up together now what I’m that’s just my view from the watching the show. I don’t know. I don’t know how they are like outside of it. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, she seems annoyed by him on television and like, people could be like, to me sometimes I’ve watched I’m like, oh my god, like, that’s like just how they are. You know what I mean? Like, that’s like, yeah, when Paige will say like, oh, Craig’s dormered like, I like you don’t see like pokes fun to him. I’m just like, oh, maybe that’s yeah, how she is. It was a little bit more than that. With me watching this, like the firt like the first couple episodes, and we’re to the point where I was like, Oh, wow, does she even like him? But not also
feel like on winter house last season and on summer house list. And they sort of seem to be making an effort to like not pick her on camera, right? And then like this season that really went out the window, but I don’t think it’s fabricated. And even when he was like, you know, why don’t we do couples counseling? And she’s like, Yeah, I’m not into that right now. Right? I just, I don’t like she’s clearly saying what she wants, right wants to move out of Manhattan. And she wants to go to suburbia. And if that means that he and he said it would be an investment property, and he would still keep the place in the city, I don’t think that would be good for them. There aren’t listen, if you work in finance, or I don’t know, whatever. But when your job is liquor and being in clubs and bars, and your wife is three hours away, and we already know his history, like I hate to say, because I like Kyle so much. And I would hope that he wouldn’t do that again. Yeah. But I just can’t say I feel like it. I feel like it would push them further apart when she would be annoyed. Because she’d be in suburbia, up until three four in the morning, waiting to hear that he’s home or you know how it is nowadays, the ring camera or whatever, and he still wouldn’t be home and then it will be fighting all week. And what if he’s doing something or not? It’s like the lifestyle differences would catch up with that, right? Yeah. And having a baby isn’t gonna make that better?
No, am I gonna fix the problems? If anything? It’ll make it worse. Yeah, I just I don’t think I think they have a lot that they have to figure out before they fall into having a kid and I just, I hope that they work out because I like the two of them. I feel like ever since like her first season like they definitely I feel like I’ve come a long way. They’ve gotten older, like his cheating and all that stuff. And then obviously ended up getting I also feel like
Kyle is the sort of guy that will keep moving the mark for Amanda. Yeah, I think I think my Amanda will agree with me with this. Like, he’s very ambitious, and I love that. But I feel like he’s the kind of guy who probably says to her, Okay, listen, when I’m making this much a year at Loverboy in profits, like, then we can go to super and then no one likes them. Right? It’s gonna become like, okay, Kyle, well, we made X amount and he’s like, no, no, no, but I have this lawn. Yes. And I am gonna have to be in the city every night. So Oh, no, I’m doing this. It’s always Yeah, he’s never gonna be at and I think he doesn’t even realize that about himself. And I think that’s her frustration is he keeps moving the mark. Yeah. And she’s like, You’re older than me. If you’re not ready at 42 You’re not going to be ready at 50. And like, What a fuck am I going to do just sit around and be unhappy and not pursue what I want?
Well, and that’s where I might have I’m like, is there anything like that he could do that would like make her react plus or like that he could change and like, I’m like, Yeah, I guess he could stop with a party and stop all of that stuff. But that is so his persona. Like, I don’t know that I would really see that being genuine from him. And so then same thing, I just wonder like, is this just going to be a situation where? Yes, if he does want to be married and settle down, is you know, is Amanda ever going to be you know, is she ever gonna be okay with all the part you know, like all of the partying and all of the constant having to be in front of the camera and stuff too, because I get the feeling too she just doesn’t she just doesn’t seem to want to be there really? This summer? Yeah,
I got that vibe too. From her and winter house. She just like was like, oh, like I gotta go sell another show. I just listen. I think it’s an aware on her. And I think eventually she’s just gonna be like, You know what, I’m done. Like, you’re not making any type of white compromise or anything like in regards to my needs or what I’m telling you I want and I think if it does come to that, then she will just walk away.
I think it’s like sad to watch because it can go either way. But I think she feels she’s made enough concessions. And I don’t think he has it in him because to him it work. Yeah, like we even see in the mid season trailer. He’s like, and I’m getting yelled at for are working at listen, I grew up with a father who was very he had his own business and worked worked worked. And like it is the sort of thing where other people on the outside are like, well like would say like to my Mom Well, I mean, he’s working like but you know, when you’re the person having to take the kids to everything and your husband walking in late to the dance recital and having to go to things and he meets you there at our into it right. It’s yeah, he’s working. He’s not at a bar he’s not with another woman but you start to feel resentful because you want to be with your family and it feels like they don’t want it but people who are workaholics don’t see it that way. It’s like this endless Need to work right?
Well, there’s such a weird like, there’s no real line. It’s such a gray area between what is actually work with him and what’s not right, because I’m sure behind closed doors, he has argument like, I have always had this persona where I turn up at parties. This is what I do. And this is partly what has made Loverboy so successful, and I have, we have to keep doing it and keep the party and keep all that going and stay in front of camera, so that the company is successful.
Right? Yeah. I have a solution, guys. Well, Kyle retires the party boy, and he hires West and has him be the new face of the party. Oh
my god, literally. Like, I just love him. I love last season.
Larry, we love having you on if you guys. I mean, I think everyone listening does at Bravo by gays. He has a podcast that comes out every Thursday. Right? It comes out Fridays. Yeah. Every Friday. And we love having you.
You guys are the best I could have I could do this for another hour.
I know. So
till now. Yeah. All right. Bye, guys. Bye, guys.