201. No más Miami? Secret Lives/Bachelorette CHAOS; New Girls Trip show?

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“It’s an interesting dynamic, because think about Jesse and how he has just shamelessly flirted with Amanda and put these very flirty comments on, really, all of the women on all of their Instagrams, and it’s been a topic on the show.” – Amanda

Hear more about:

• Kyle and Amanda’s alleged separation before BravoCon – Kyle Cooke and Amanda Batula were already living apart and separating before BravoCon, even though they still appeared together publicly on panels and events.
• Racism controversy involving Lady Emma’s marriage – When Emma Thynn married into British aristocracy, her husband’s mother allegedly disapproved because of Emma’s Nigerian heritage, creating a long-running family rift and media scrutiny.
• Dara Huang’s “madam” rumor – Dara Huang is confronted with a rumor implying she was connected to a “madam” scandal, which sparks tension at a dinner and leads her to temporarily quit filming.
• Dara Huang calling Myka “cringe” behind her back – Dara denies insulting Myka Meierr after being confronted, even though she had previously admitted saying it in confessionals.
• Royal-family-adjacent scandal involving Dara’s ex-fiancé – Dara’s former partner allegedly cheated on her with Princess Beatrice and later married her, bringing tabloid attention and potential reputational issues.
• Casting drama around Real Housewives of New Jersey – Rumors circulate about potential cast shake-ups, including whether veterans like Teresa Giudice and Melissa Gorga will return.
• Ben confronting Bailey over flirting comments in Summer House – A tense moment occurs when Ben angrily confronts Bailey for joking that he wants to sleep with Amanda, which the hosts interpret as condescending and possibly bullying behavior.
• Rumor that Amanda hooked up with West – A fan-fueled scandal claims Amanda hooked up with West Wilson after her split from Kyle, but the hosts insist the rumor spiraled from a group hangout with no evidence.

They all grilled Kyle about not investing in Carl’s business, and then Jesse, in a, I think, classy way, and I think this is probably what you were referring to earlier, he pointed out that Carl was upset and that he understood Kyle’s position, but the two should have a conversation.

Absolutely a point for Jesse, I think he handled it really nicely, because he wanted to make Kyle understand that Carl was hurt. But he did stay neutral, and he reminds you, like, Jesse does have good qualities. I don’t think a boyfriend is one of them at this stage in his life, so I wish he would just own that like Wes does. It would be a better look for him. He said it to Kyle in a way. It wasn’t gossipy or malicious, if anything he wanted to make sure it didn’t turn into a bigger deal or cause a wedge right. Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tea. We chat reality TV celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from Bravo and cocktails.com and as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’m B

and I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tea. What’s up cocktails? Hello, Amanda. Hi co host B, hi cocktailers. Co host B, co host B of our 200th episode of cocktails and gossip. Can you believe it?

First of all, I would like to apologize my insufferable voice is more insufferable this week. I don’t know if it’s from cheering at youth sports, allergies, a combination of both, but I’m losing my voice. But I cannot believe in some ways, I feel like we’ve been doing this pod forever. And in some ways, I feel like it was like last week that we were trying to figure out audio and sound and how to do the damn thing completely. I feel like we understand the rhythm so well of doing it.

And yeah, I’m actually looking, I have, I should look and see how many, including our bonus podcasts. Oh, that we have done. I want to say we’re almost up 400

because we do a bonus pod every week. So yeah, have we always? Or did I feel?

No, we didn’t always, but then we’ve done extra. So right now, I’m looking at says on our host that we have 379 episodes total. Anyway, you know what, all of you guys that are listening, we wouldn’t be here without you. So thank you from the bottom of our hearts for all the support, don’t forget to tell your friends about us.

Yeah, you know what I always say, I always I don’t say it. I post it like on Thanksgiving or any holiday. I try to remember to when you’re with your friends and you think pop culture, they like, Bravo or whatever, please mention us, because if you love us, then your girlfriends or like when you get together with your college friends, you’re your college friends, your high school girls, or your mom friends, whatever crew it is, we also compliment, oh, my God, my friend. So and So told me to follow you.

I love Yeah, and we all know who our Bravo friends are, because that’s one of the things we talk about when we get together, which is why we also do that here, so that we can talk with all of you guys.

It’s how we got started, because I feel like I was boring my real friends with because there are people who watch Bravo, and then there are people like you and I and the cocktails who are fanatical.

And yeah, yeah, we like to go a level deeper, and then we obviously want to know all of the real gossip of what’s really going on. Because if you’ve been a cocktail or for even a day, you know that what we see on screen is not always representative of what’s really going on. Case in point, Amanda and Kyle, yes, living apart and separating before bravocon, but still doing couples appearances together and doing being on the panels together at bravocon. They weren’t talking about being separated by them, but cocktails knew exactly.

Do you know, oh, random tangent, but I have to say it, I love when I enjoy a show so much that I miss it. I am missing Shah’s Persian style. I’m so annoyed there were only nine episodes. I haven’t heard cameras up. But if you guys are listening production over there, please get those cameras up.

I wonder if they’ll be filming this summer. Because, guys, I didn’t this just occurred to me, so I haven’t looked to see it. If they have the same production company, maybe they do film at the same time, just different days, the regular Valley. Yeah. So makes sense. This is me, really. Hoping that’s the case. So we get another season soon.

We need another season. And I saw that the ladies minus MJ minus sky were with a new girl, so I’m thinking she’s probably joining the show a new Persian girl. Her name is gorgeous. They’re all so gorgeous. They’re all so gorgeous. First of all, can you guys give me some of your hair, like they have that gorgeous all of them have this gorgeous, silky, dark hair, which I have dark hair. It was silky when I was young. I have all the stuff, but it takes me a lot of expensive product for my hair to look the way it used to just look when I would wash and go. These are the people talk about aging, and it’s funny, before I started aging,

we’re always Asian, right? But I remember I became an experienced ager right

before I was like, deep in the depths of aging, something they don’t tell you because you expect the wrinkles, but something they don’t tell you is things like your hair just starts to look dull, yeah? And I find myself now, when I’m around the youths, the Utes, as they’d said in My Cousin Vinny, like noticing things like shiny hair. Like shiny hair is something that women in their mid from mid 30s, I’m gonna call it on need to, like, actively find product and work on. It does not just happen.

Yeah, I agree, yeah, I agree. I have experienced the same so, yeah, that’s why. One of the reasons is because of my hair has changed over the years. That’s one of the reasons that I know you love it too, that we love neutral so much, not an ad. We just love it.

We do love it. Code gossip. It is one of our supporters. It’s not an ad this week, but yes, it is. It’s not good.

Yeah, I always say what? Tell me,

aging is obviously better than the alternative, and I hate so we’re keeping it light. We know that it’s not the end of the world. I am getting nicer weather, which apparently my body is rejecting, but New York this week has felt like spring it is. As I get older, I was not this person that was like, have to be in the sun. I really, we all like it, but I don’t know I feel like as I get older, I am the old lady sitting on my porch when we get a nice day having an iced coffee, a shout out to my Duncan guy, by the way, also, Duncan doesn’t sponsor us, but they should. I went in yesterday, and I’m there every day. My kids are often there. I’m like, Oh no, I should have ordered an iced coffee. As wacky as I am here I am in real life guys. And my guy was like, you want an iced coffee? He just immediately made one and handed it to me. And I was like, No, you didn’t have to. He’s take it. I’m in ice coffee mode, although it’s supposed to, it’s getting cold and it’s gonna snow tonight, but like, the worst is over at flurry, we’ll be fine. We’re out of it.

Yeah, for sure, I always say my husband’s we’re going away next week. And like, he needs to charge his batteries, because he is very much one of those people who like has to be like, I love a sunny day, but like, he’s one of those people who like needs to be outside and recharge that way. And I also feel like the nice thing about spring, like the nicer weather brings out the kid in me. And this is, I know this is such a weird thing to say, but this is a real urge I have when it’s one of the first days that it’s really warm out. I have this urge to lay on the warm pavement

that is really cute.

I know it’s so weird, but it’s a really stronger not I wouldn’t do it like on a city sidewalk, but like a pool deck, that feeling of a like heat I went

through on a city sidewalk given a couple glasses of Prosecco. You know what is so funny? In that vein, this week, I got home and there were like seven bikes on my in my yard, and noise coming from my backyard. And if you live where there are seasons, as Amanda and I do, the winter is great. It has so many great aspects of it, and there is a little bit of a hibernation, which sometimes, honestly, I don’t mind. I like slow Sundays with my kids and my husband in the house, and like cooking, and I like that, but hearing it, and the kids are back in my yard, and the bikes are back on my lawn, and I am like, I’m ready. I’m already

Yes, that’s the best. I love it. Okay, so I have been dying to talk to you about ladies of London. The first two episodes dropped last week, and thank you to whichever cocktail or told me there were two because she was talking about something on Discord. And I was like, wait, what? Yeah, there were two episodes. I was like, Yes, I went back and watched the second one. So you guys know that we record on Thursdays, so we haven’t gotten to see the third episode yet, but I am obsessed already. Whoever these casting directors are that cast this show, promote them, also maybe put them to work in Miami, but it gives me so much hope for the future of Bravo, because I feel like there’s been so much conversation about the future of housewives shows. The future of Bravo shows. Are they getting to over produce and then you get a lightning and a bottle cast? I feel like this cast is. Yes, these women are truly and Mark are truly interesting. They’re dynamic. They’re delusional in the good way. Let’s go. I’m excited, hooked.

Immediately. There was an energy about it. I love London. It is so important. And Amanda and I have said it, and a lot of cocktails and fans of Bravo have said it. There are some shows. Ronnie comes to mind. Beverly Hills comes to mind, Salt Lake City, where the city itself plays a character. And in this case, it had me longing for a glass of wine in a at a garden party walking past Windsor palace. Yes, it felt like the Real Housewives meets Downton Abbey, which I think for many Americans, the English, there’s allure there. There’s something it is so true. We’re so different. I especially when I was, like, in my 20s, very into chick lit, the chiclet, Oh, yeah. And I was very into reading books about young women and their lives set in England, usually London. I was very into and it’s funny, because there are so many parallels to like, right? So I was a 20 something in New York, so many similarities, because it’s like another well known metropolitan city.

Like, are you saying period pieces or like Bridget Jones.

Like Bridget Jones, like real chick lit. Yeah, drivel, yeah. Give me a book like that, like a beach, right? Agree about a girl who meets a guy like that silly stuff. I love English period pieces too, a la Danton Abbey,

so do I? Yeah? And then there’s the whole Made In Chelsea that I think I need to go back and watch because I never watched it. I never did either. So Mark, Francis van Delli comes from there, but let’s go through the rest of the cast. So for those of you guys who are cocktail party members, I believe we only talked about this on the bonus pod. So back, if you go back to our June 4 of 2025 bonus episode, we did a mini dive on the cast. So we talked quite a bit about Lady Emma thin, Marchioness of Bath, and we’ll talk about her again in a minute. But we’ve got her. We’ve got Martha Sitwell. We lady Martha Sitwell. Mark, Francis van Delly, Margo stilly, Missy bakery, I don’t hope I’m they call you Missy or Missy. Okay, that’s easier for me. Lottie, Kane Kimmy Murdoch, no relation to the Murdochs, no relation Micah Meyer and Dara Huang. So we’ve got a little bit of British aristocracy, and then we’ve got some international characters and expats.

We did do a little mini dive, but again, I always say this until I meet a cast, like reading their bios and even talking about that, it doesn’t come to life for me until I see them on the screen. Yes. So lady Emma. She lives on Longleat. It is one of Britain’s most famous. I’m fairly certain they said on the show, it’s the largest home in England. So it’s an Elizabethan mansion with a safari park. It is located, I believe she’s had an hour and a half outside of London. It’s been in the family for more than 400 years lady Emma is the real deal, true royalty, and there’s scandal there, because when Emma married into the family in 2013 How do I say her husband’s name? Ceiling? Is it ceiling? Maybe it’s ceiling. It was all over the press that ceylon’s Mother Anna thin disapproved of the Union, allegedly because of Emma’s race. So Emma has Nigerian heritage, and she’s been pretty outspoken about how difficult emotionally it was for her to have rejection from her fiance and then husband’s family.

And she is still to this date. So they got married in 2013 she’s still to this date, the only right person in aristocracy of

color, which is crazy, shocking, absolutely shocking. Reportedly, sewin did not invite his mom, so obviously, that led to a prolonged to their wedding led to a prolonged rift. His father was known this is a little interesting tea for having a very eccentric lifestyle and wifelets, which are mistresses, and they were living on the estate. Now, granted, the estate is probably the size of some small towns, but you could see that the family dynamics were already unconventional. So I find it so strange that it’s more shocking that the son married a woman of color than his father having wifelets On Property.

Freaking patriarchy. Yeah, I guess he seal in. And if we’re saying this wrong, definitely correct us guys, we never, ever purposely want to say somebody’s name wrong, except for. Back in the day where I started calling Raquel every other name possible, but respectfully, I’m hoping I’m saying his name right. He didn’t inherit the title in the estate until 2020 so it was then that he and Emma modernized parts of the estate, put in this safari park, he opened up the estate, which some people considered way too commercial, but as Emma said herself, it’s now one of the biggest tourist attractions in the world. And you guys, most of us have seen Downton Abbey. Those estates have are mostly not intact anymore, and have gone away because of the expense of keeping them up. Because back in the day, the reason these lords and aristocracy were able to support these huge Estates is because farming and they had all the people who lived and then paid rent, and that’s why. But really around World War Two, I believe, is when all of that really started to change. And so they knew seal in and Emma, that if they didn’t let the public in some way, they wouldn’t be able to sustain the estate, because it’s so big, it’s so expensive, right? Obviously, it got mixed reactions, but the wider public saw them as bringing relevance and diversity to Britain’s upper class. So I have a feeling Emma will be one of my favorites on the show.

Absolutely I agree. I like her. She’s beautiful, and there’s she wasn’t born into it, but there’s something so regal about her, and since we didn’t know her before, it’s hard to know. If I don’t know, I feel like that’s a characteristic you’re born with, which could be one of the reasons her husband was attracted to her in the first place. Because if you’re from that lineage, there’s something in you, I would imagine that wants to maintain that aura. Let’s call it an aura. I don’t know, right? Then we have Martha. So Martha’s interesting. She grew up very privileged, but as a teenager became homeless. And while she was homeless, she was discovered by Vivian Westwood, who launched her modeling career. She later married a barrionet, which she says is the lowest ring on the royalty chain. So she became Lady sit well, the marriage ended, very public divorce, she says on the show quite a few times that she walked away with her title and very little else. Since then, she has made a name for herself as a designer of luxury riding wear. She’s regularly in the society pages. She’s got, as we can see, a very sharp, interesting sense of humor, yes, and she’s just in the first two episodes, she’s outrageous. She’s honest. In 2026 in a Times interview, she said, I have a checkered past. I smoke crack, but only once in a men’s toilet in Leicester Square. I have to say I’m not a bird person. I’m not a bird person. Birds flying in a house. I don’t know it does something to me. So I don’t love that.

Yeah, of that. Okay, so I think magpies and crows are super cool because they’re very smart and can be very well trained. You’ve guys have probably all seen in Norway or Sweden, I can’t remember, they have now trained the crows to pick up litter, and there’s like a little machine that for every piece of litter the crows bring, then they get a treat. I am so fascinated by them. I always joke with my family about trying to get one of our neighborhood magpies to do my bidding and exact revenge on my I don’t have any enemies, but if I did for them to exact revenge on that they’re so smart. I’m fascinated by them, but having one fly freely around the house and poop on everything, like there’s poop everywhere, I can’t No ski leave it. We need to have an outdoor magpie. But I think Martha will be our dulu. Is this Lulu lady of London. She definitely lives, goes to the beat of her own drummer. She’s talking about how she wants to redo her placement is, oh yeah. And there’s all the poop. And doesn’t really seem to care about that part, yeah. And then I had mentioned that on Discord, some of our cocktails, were talking about Mark being on Made In Chelsea and that in fan in general. I think a lot of fans are excited to see him. I haven’t watched that show, but I am super excited to watch him. Did you watch? You said you didn’t watch I

didn’t watch it. I too want to go back so far. Mark seems like he’s gonna be the scene stealer. He I would not classify him as a villain, but he stirs the pot in a way of keeping things moving and interesting, and it almost seems like he’s the nucleus, and everyone comes to him. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I think, and I think we all know somebody like that in our lives. I think your dad might be like this, not like Mark, but the part. Person, where you walk into a restaurant and it takes them 10 minutes to get to the table, because they see all these people they know, and they’re hugging and saying, Hello, yes, that’s what they said about Mark. Seems to know everybody and be really connected. I think he’s gonna be the deadly shade thrower. Think of a Phaedra, yeah. And I really I liked that. He immediately told us about his struggles with his father, and said, I bought a house so I could try to be closer to him. I’m trying my best to be back in his life before it’s too late. I thought that was very endearing. Do you know

what I like thought of when he said that? Because on the surface, when you hear like your father lives in Italy and you live in England, that’s really the equivalent in American standards, of someone’s father living in, say, Florida. And because I know my cousin’s in Ireland, like in the summer, they go to Spain, they go to Italy. So it’s not that I don’t think it’s that odd, in the same way as if I think it’s more like living in another state than living Yeah, you know what I Yeah. So Margo, she is from America, model, actress, she’s been in vogue. They spoke a lot about her controversial film where they basically called it a porn they were they threw some shade at her. She had an un simulated sex scene, which means, in the movie, she was actually having sex. She’s now married, three kids, sober. They touched upon that she made it seem like she got sick of partying and just decided to dry out. Yeah, and we’re watching her try to re enter the London social scene

as a sober person, yeah, yeah. So the movie, guys, of course, I looked it up. It’s called nine songs. It is available on Google Play at least as of my Googling, I think we might need to watch it. So we, I found a link to the trailer for the movie, and we’re gonna put that on the website. Definitely spicy looking, so I think it could be an interesting watch. And like some good bands, it’s all about, like the rock scene. But yeah, that’s that is definitely not the norm to have sex scenes that are actually real in a regular feature film, right? Definitely very European. Yeah. And then we’ve got Missy, the Swedish model, single mom, rebuilding her life. We’ve already met her therapist, I guess she was on ladies of London, but I don’t really remember.

I don’t out there, and I googled it and saw that, you and I and our fish brains like we don’t have great memories, so we’re still gonna remember.

She wasn’t one of the main characters. Maybe we she was introduced as a friend or something. Okay, one of the people, I think is maybe the most fascinating, is Lottie. She’s from London. She’s a graphic designer. She works with her husband, who is a very flamboyant and proudly designer, fashion designer, who is straight. She announced that she was pregnant. That whole thing about that dynamic, I’m just fascinated by that dynamic of how she said, we love to go get manicures together. And obviously he loves fashion, but he’s straight. They’re fascinating. And then Kimmy is a Haitian American antique dealer and a character, total character. And watching this show, I’m like, are we gonna start to see these 40s style curly Bobs, because, yes, both Kimmy and Martha have it, and it looks amazing on them. It does. I’m down for it. I like it Bob. And then we have Micah, who does etiquette, and I think she just seems to be very sweet and wants everybody to like her. And she has an etiquette business, and she’s trying to have it fit in, trying to build it here in London, we’ve already been told that she thought she was really good friends with Dara, who we’ll talk about in a minute, but Dara didn’t seem to have the same things to say about her.

So what’s interesting about Mika is she seems lovely. And I think Mark did say She’s the nicest person, like She’s the nicest lady I know, and Dara, at Mark’s Garden Party became the topic of conversation. The ladies spread. One lady said it, and they just all ran with it. I shouldn’t say all a few of them ran with it. And Micah, very much had dara’s back, and she really waxed poetic about their friendship and that they had met in the States, and then they were both in London. And then you see Dara in her confessionals being asked, and she’s we’re not close. She was above her so much so that she calls her cringe behind her back to Missy. Here we have the Madame rumor. She is a Harvard educated architect and entrepreneur. In the second episode at a dinner, when she’s confronted with the madam rumor, and then confronted with her calling her supposed friend, Micah, cringe behind her back. She just quits. And what was really odd was she went over to production and we saw it. She’s, I’m done with this show. I don’t want to do this. This isn’t for me. Yeah, I said those things about her, and then went back, sat at the table three feet away. She was like, I. Ever said any of that? Carol, I know you’re

might have, yeah, she tried to have her Bravo. Bravo. Moment, I think Dara just seems really mean. Honestly, I was gonna say maybe they weren’t really that good of friends, but it’s still just mean to call her. Cringe. But here’s what I think is really interesting. I did a little more digging on Dara. So Dara was where Dara, I don’t know if I’m saying it right, Dara, who was previously engaged and she had a baby with a man named Eduardo Mozzi. He goes by Edo, he cheated on Dara with Princess Beatrice, and then married Princess Beatrice in a secret, private wedding ceremony. And didn’t they have children, Dara and Ido. They had one boy. So now Princess not gotten married, right? Yeah, they were engaged, had a baby then, but did not get married. He cheated on her. Think through about Beatrice. So Beatrice has been facing scandal due to both her parents, Prince Andrew, who is no longer a prince, and Lady Sarah Ferguson being prominently in the Epstein files. So this madam rumor could come from her association with them. I don’t know if, oh, there’s I don’t know it feels like a strong coincidence to me, but even if the madam rumors were not true. I think that we saw on camera the moment she realized she had to jump ship because of all of the heat, because there was, if you guys will remember, there’s been heat on Prince Andrew for, I don’t know, four or five years, at least since Virginia and Giuffre published that book. And so then these madam things, and yes, she’s not directly tied to the family, but very much indirectly. And I think she could have realized, like, this is not going to be good. The royal family is going to be upset. I’ve got to nip this in the bud.

So Micah actually was asked that by Andy. I’ll Watch What Happens Live This Week. And he said, Do you think she quit because her child’s stepmother is Princess Beatrice? And Micah was like, No, I don’t think that had anything to do with it, but I think it would make sense. And not that I’m a huge fan of dara’s. We only met her those those two episodes, but it does suck, because she was a regular citizen, albeit a successful one, right? But she was just a regular person who had a child with a man, and then the man got involved with the royal family, and now, like you’re gonna be in because she’s also successful in her own right, you’re gonna be a topic of conversation. And one thing I can tell you, and you know this from when you studied in Florence. If you think American tabloids are crazy, the English take the cake. Oh yeah, they are brutal, ruthless. We’re remembering back when we studied abroad, like all the headlines, hello magazine. Really beyond I think you do make an effort to stay away as much as you can, and maybe things had already started think, like maybe she didn’t think her connection would make the news, and maybe it started to, and then she realized I’m not gonna get a good edit, and she panicked and jumped ship, which interesting on Watch What Happens Live, they said that she was at a dinner party. I forget who had it around the time of filming, but she had already quit the show and cameras weren’t there, so she is legitimately in the circle. I do think I can see her having FOMO and coming back next season. I’m gonna be honest with you,

and I think it’s interesting too, because this is not her first scandal. When Edo her ex fiance cheated on her, edo’s parents came out. Funny. You mentioned the tabloids came out to the tabloids saying how displeased they were with that whole situation, that he cheated on her with Beatrice. Oh, they took, it’s the ex’s side. They took the ex’s side at that point. I Who knows where they are right now, I’m sure we can. One of our British listeners can probably catch us up a little bit better on that, but lot of mess there, yeah, makes her interesting.

Speaking of interesting, we got an email that I really hope is true. I want to know your thoughts on it. It says early discussions of Maura Higgins from traders. That’s our Irish friend who says Tink joining ladies of London Season Two. She has a growing following. Is close in age to the cast, as she’s 35 years old and is getting more into the fashion world. Bravo. Peacock family. Love her. It would help get younger viewers from traders to watch the show. Thoughts on that?

Oh my gosh. Please put her on our televisions now. I love her.

And I saw some people comment on when I posted it, and they said things like, well, she’s not really friends in the group. When you’re in your mid 30s and you’re in the social circle, you could click with people very easily. I don’t think that’s a huge hurdle, especially because the rest of the women and Mark are so closely connected. I think she would be perfect. Kyle cook also was asked. I don’t know, in some podcast or interview or whatever, is there anyone in the Bravo sphere who he’d be interested in dating? And he said, Oh, that girl from traders that says Tink, she’s gorgeous. That would be she’s right about she, he’s right about it. And I just, I can’t picture it, but no, I can’t either. Even though Kyle’s older, he seems younger.

I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Please cast her now. I think she’s fantastic. I want more of her on her televisions.

So if you’re not watching ladies of London, get on it. You’re gonna love it. But we have a lot incoming. Regarding jersey, so I’m just gonna, I’m gonna throw out what we’re hearing. So regarding new casting, Gia Casey, she her name has been mentioned. She’s been approached several times. As a matter of fact, we have another email that she was slated to get her own show in 2018 from it was a Variety article, and there was a bunch of shows in there that never came to fruition. It could have coincided with covid, if you think about it, because 2018 there were plans, and then 2020 GIA is married to DJ envy. I believe it’s a nationally syndicated morning show, The Breakfast Club, certainly us in the tri state area know who DJ envy is. They have five children. They live in North Jersey.

He’s a radio DJ, not a Kyle cook. DJ, so

he’s a radio DJ, but these guys do like club events and stuff. So I’m sure at some point in his life, if he doesn’t, still he did, but he’s not like a radio show. Yes, he’s got a radio show. So the Breakfast Club is like a huge, nationally syndicated show. Maybe it’s more popular in the New York New Jersey area. The couple’s been very open about the challenges in their marriage, including DJ envy’s past infidelity. They even wrote a couple’s book together about working through it. Wow. One of the main reasons that GIA passed on the show in the past is because she didn’t want to be the only black woman on the cast, is what people say. But they say that she could always bring one of her close friends, maybe not full time, maybe friend of she is friendly with Theresa. Her children attended the same school as the Gorgas. She has test filmed. So I’m looking at Theresa, we’re looking at Melissa. We’re looking at Dolores. Margaret’s name is in there. I think if Marge comes, there’s a chance we’ll see Jen Fessler, Amanda and I got an email yesterday. It may have actually been the night before Andy was attending an executive meeting at NBC regarding Jersey, and he actually confirmed that, I believe, on his radio show. The other newbie is Amber Sabathia, whose husband is a baseball NBA, NBA, no, n, m l, B, M L, B, C, C. Sabathia, who has his own host of cheating rumors, allegedly, allegedly, got a lot of DMS about that run over to cocktail party for the Intel and then this, Christina. Pastina’s name always comes up. I imagine she’d be more of a friend of her connection would be through Dolores. Yeah.

Rufalo, who I believe that was this morning, you posted Yes, not to a picture or video of Melissa with her yes.

And what’s interesting, and what our emails and Intel have said is you’re looking at GIA Casey, her husband’s honest, naturally syndicated morning show. Big money. Amber Sabathia, we know that former major league baseball players have big money. North Jersey is a very wealthy place. A lot of wealthy people move there from New York City, so I think we’re going to see some real wealth in Jersey. If this is true, I’m hearing mixed things. I heard that Theresa was specifically told keep three months clear, starting in May, someone else said, I don’t know, some of the women have summer stuff planned. Frankie Jr’s wedding is in the summer. If cameras are back up and running, New York had JFK Jr, and New Jersey has Frankie Jr. He is Jersey’s Prince. That boy is so sweet and beautiful. I can’t wait to meet his fiance. I imagine she’s as adorable as Dolores and Frankie and the Catania family are just I picture her sweet, and we know she’s beautiful because we’ve seen pictures. Yeah, I believe it. Andy confirmed it. I feel confident saying Theresa, Melissa and dolo are back. I feel confident saying we are going to see some names that we recognize real money. I’m not sure if it’ll be summer or fall. I don’t know if that’s contracts are not signed. I don’t know if that’s completely ironed out. I think there are pluses to everything. I think the summer makes sense for reasons, especially with Frankie’s wedding. I think the fall makes sense because we all are yearning for a jersey Christmas.

Yeah, I know I was gonna just say the exact same thing, but it’s also so nice to see them go to the shore and drink too much at Missy G’s. Yes, either way, just let’s go. We want to see it. You’ve done your job. Bravo. You’ve made us miss it. Yes, okay, let’s go. Oh, I know you had. A couple of tidbits about Roni and golden life.

Roni and golden life, I can tell you that ultimate girls trip will premiere in June, ahead of next gen New York City. By the way, a little birdie told me, Ariana and Hudson are in Miami currently together. Little rekindling happening. Roni was spotted today at the colony hotel in Palm Beach. No cameras, which is golden life or, sorry, golden life, golden life. Okay, Rony is in Cali, right? LA. I mean, we just got a lot going on and a lot going on with good sources that like to send us stuff, but we would be remiss if we did not dive into summer house.

Definitely okay. So Jesse confirmed this week that Sierra doesn’t want he knows that Sierra doesn’t want to be casual and that he was dumb to, you know, say that he just wanted to hook up. I think you clocked him a few weeks ago when you said you thought that he was doing this for the cameras, and I hadn’t agree more. I think he’s just look, he’s just coming off so badly, and his, I think, hoped for redemption arc coming out of last year when he treated Lexi really badly. He’s still got some more digging out to do.

He does, I will say, Jesse, there was something in the episode I liked, which I’ll mention when we get to it. But I feel like he took accountability. If Sierra is willing to let it slide, then we have to. I still have the ick from him. It’s milder, because Ben is the dick of the week for me.

I agree. I agree. So yeah. So this dinner for Amanda, like, first, they all thrilled Kyle about not investing in Carl’s business. And then Jesse, in a, I think, classy way, and I think this is probably what you were referring to earlier, he pointed out that Carl was upset, and that he understood Kyle’s position, but that the two should have a conversation,

absolutely a point for Jesse. I think he handled it really nicely, because he wanted to make Kyle understand that Carl was hurt. But he did stay neutral, and he reminds you, like, Jesse does have good qualities. I don’t think a boyfriend is one of them at this stage in his life, so I wish he would just own that like less does it would be a better look for him, because he said it to Kyle in a way. It wasn’t gossipy or malicious, if anything, he wanted to make sure it didn’t turn into a bigger deal or cause a wedge, right? And then at the dinner, we see Bailey throwing out everyone was supposed to say something nice about Amanda, so Ben starts talking, and Bailey is like, Oh, here he goes. He’s gonna say how he wants to sleep with Amanda. Now I can absolutely understand why Ben would be annoyed, why everyone at the table was like wanting to hide under it, but then they did show an entire compilation of him and Amanda flirting, and he went up to Bailey’s room, and what he said to the guys is, I came in this house as a friend of Kyle and Amanda’s, so I’m just more comfortable with them because I know them, and I certainly think he was right to talk to Bailey about it. I don’t like how he did it. I think he stomped into her room in a way that was condescending and rude. I also feel very strongly that if she was a more established member of the House like Sierra or Lindsay, he would have never had the balls to walk in there and approach it the way he did. But since Bailey is new and with the exception of Levi, doesn’t have strong relationships, yet, it did feel bullying, and I didn’t like it. And I also feel Bailey is self admittedly awkward. Give the girl a break. It’s her first season filming. Even Ben has more experience on camera because he was on The Bachelor. I understand he wanted to say something. I also didn’t like how the rest of the girls handled it, with the exception of Amanda, because I get like Amanda could have been a little bit put off. That would make sense, but Mia heard it outside the door. And Mia is new too, but Mia is very outgoing and gets her point across. So I didn’t like that. She listened to it and went down to report, and then the girls went to check on her. But I don’t know, half hearted

at best, it’s an interesting dynamic, because think about Jesse and how he has just shamelessly flirted with Amanda and put these very flirty, flirty comments on, really, all of the women on all of their Instagrams, and it’s been a topic on the show, right? And the thing with Bailey, yes, lacking in social awareness, taking it too far, but I felt like what she was saying almost came from this really vulnerable. He’s flirting with the married girl, when he could be flirting with me as vulnerability, and that is what I didn’t like, especially about the way that Ben reacted. Because first of all, it tells me that either because of the way that he his it was outsized his reaction to what she said, because that made me think either he was my. Much more serious with this off camera girlfriend that we know existed than we thought, or that he really did have some feelings for Amanda, and that Bailey got too close to the truth. But what I did not also is that when he went and confronted her, he was trying to get her to say, Bailey to say that you said this because you like me, yes, and I was something bigger. Some felt bigger mean. It just felt mean.

I think that the whole tone was condescending, like he was better than her, yeah, and it made me see a side of him that isn’t likable. I 100% first of all, we know that he was dating the girl, whether or not he cooled off to go to summer house or kept it a secret, it is extremely reminiscent, almost exact, to what Andrea did, who later married Lexi when he was in the vineyard, telling Ciara about how he met a girl and he slowed down to come out to the Hamptons for the summer, but he misses her. It is like he’s in a relationship like Andrea was, but he knows the producers want him to be flirty and single like they wanted Andrea to be. So he’s there, but there’s some sort of understanding that people should understand, that he’s supposed to be a single guy, but he’s not. It’s no, I also think they’re over exaggerating. His good looks like he’s cute, but like this whole I

don’t get it with him. I really don’t. Oh my god. He’s just not. I think

he’s one of those people in person is probably like, very Wow. But either way, he’s cocky. He’s cocky. It’s the simplest way to put it, yeah, his little lingo is cute, like when he when they were all laughing about and she said, I wanna, yeah. She said, I wanna sleep with the missus. It’s Yeah, it’s funny, but I just don’t like it. But we got bigger fish to fry, because in real time, there are rumors of Amanda hooking up with West. And yes, I’m gonna speak on it, guys, if you’re a cocktail or you know that this is literal nonsense, they hung out on a snow day. The fandom went nuts.

And it wasn’t just the two of them, guys. It was in a big group of, I don’t know, six, eight people with that

guy, Aiden, who she’s rumored to have hooked up with. The thing about it is it’s a rumor that people took tried to create a scandal with zero evidence, zero receipts. And here’s the thing, Kyle was asked about this rumor in a bar. I believe it was the Wednesday night of last week, last week. And Kyle, when he’s in his cups, doesn’t always answer things. Well, Kyle may have wanted to look a little vis victim esque, and from what I’m told, made it sound like it wasn’t an impossibility, that they hooked up. So that’s all it was. It’s a rumor that went too far. There is zero credit or proof to it, and if there was, I’m pretty sure Ciara will let us know. And in a group of friends like that, to Amanda’s point, they were not alone. It would get back to Ciara if something was brewing, and Sierra is liking her pictures for everyone who’s saying she isn’t Ciara was traveling. These people are all all over the place. So I hope Amanda lands a rich guy. I am manifesting a hockey player after all of her fishy, fishy posts at the islanders game, but I have no doubt that West is her friend.

I agree. I really want to hope that Kyle was just as you say in his cups. Didn’t know what he was doing, because talking loudly about it in a bar. I think he knows well enough that people listen and share stuff with people like us, and I really hope that he was not purposely trying to plant that rumor. And I remember I sent you the post that morning, and you’re like, Oh my God, I’ve been up all night dealing with this. Yes. So like, I am, I have a busy day at work, and I Okay, I’ll get you all cut up. Because I was like, I never, I just put the question mark on it. Because I was like, I didn’t believe it, even at the time,

no, I never believed it. So then back to the summer, because that was real time, Western Sierra, flirty all weekend. Clearly, the Jesse having a crush on Sierra made West jealous. I can tell you, cocktails are aware from a source in real time, meaning March 2026, Sierra and West are just friends. West apparently has made it very clear. I don’t mean to say that Sierra hasn’t, but West is still not ready for anything. Did they end up hooking up over the summer? I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we see a little make out, but they’re just friends as of right now, I did think and again, West was pretty saucy when he was in the lounge chairs with Ben in the yard, and Ben was asking West about his relationship with Sierra. And I thought it was, like, really cute. First of all, when Ben was like, I think you guys would be like, so amazing together. I wish I was here to witness that. I don’t know. I’m not a man, but West clearly. And oh, Dara, the new girl who’s hooking up with KJ, she actually was interviewed. On a podcast, and she said they were like, so you alluded to what we saw West do with Sierra was he’s a great friend. He’s the best guy unless you’re falling in love with him. Dara was like, listen, yes, I had a thing with West. She goes, but after meeting Sierra and spending time with them this summer, their situation is completely different, and there’s definitely something real there, right? And that’s, Wes X, and she’s saying whatever they have is a much deeper connection than what I had. I just, I don’t know. I think that Sierra is always going to be the one that got away from for him, because I do, knowing Sierra’s personality, like this summer was likely his last shot, I don’t think she’s gonna let herself be vulnerable like that again.

You never know. Give it three years, and maybe they’ll have moved on to other projects, and you never know. I thought it was very sweet when Ben said, Do you miss her? And Wes said, Yes. And Ben’s, does she know that? And Wes says, yes. Oh, I got my heart. I know it just feels like they’re so close, but yet so far, like weathering heights, they’re pining for each other, but keeping each other at arm’s length, like they’re also

not 21 so if West isn’t ready at 30 will he be ready? Or is that something he’s not going to really have? I just think that I’m not saying 30 years old. I’m just saying he’s not if he’s a kid, I think

he’s probably I’m just enjoying my newly found fame and success, right? And I’m not there yet. I don’t and I think that’s an honorable and okay place to be.

But does Ciara always pick unavailable men? Because I watched her clips, and I listened to her with Carl Radke, and I understand people cannot be people’s physical types, but if she wants what she says she wants, which is somebody devoted to her and a best friend and to have a family, Carl loves her. That’s not just a crush. He respects her. He admires her like watching the clips of Sierra on his podcast. He looks at her the way a man looks at the woman he loves.

Oh, totally. But if it’s not there for her, it’s not there for her, I know, but listen

her track record is Austin and West, and it’s like she likes these unavailable men. And I’m just gonna say it, Austin and Wes aren’t any hotter than Carl. Like, looks wise, they’re all pretty similar. The only difference is Carl has a more vulnerable personality, so it’s almost like Sierra likes the unavailable. She likes

say is like, maybe Sierra’s not ready either, because maybe Sierra needs to do some therapy about that and this, I’m not saying this in a critical way I’m saying that she’s been very open about the issues that she’s had with her father, and that can very much have an effect on how she approaches relationships, right? It could be that she’s not ready either,

yeah, I could see that, but this season of summer, house is delivering in a way that I don’t think we thought possible without page?

I definitely did not. I thought summer house was on. And it’s not just because of no page. I just felt like it was past, you know, I was calling it couple house two, three years ago, and it felt like everybody was getting too old, and nobody wants to see mid 40s, people partying their faces off. And while there’s still that happening, it’s so much more about

substance, only their own dynamics, because they’re real relationships. Yeah, that’s what makes it so good question. Yes, thoughts on the Cartier. Watch that Kyle got Amanda knowing that he really is not a gift giver. This was clearly, Was this his Hail Mary too little too late.

I saw him, so I haven’t watched him on Watch What Happens Live yet, but I saw his clip saying that he would have bought three for her if just to see her. That was his highlight of the summer. And I’m like, Dude, what a dummy. They’ve been married for a long time, and you’re a gift. You’re not a good gift giver. And it clearly meant so much to Amanda figure it the F out. So I think it’s really, I think it’s a little bit sad.

And they’re both reposting, like the pictures of them from the summer hugging. And he just reposted her, the next drop of her bathing suit, lime was today. And he reposted to his stories, congratulations, and then another story, I can still be proud, and it’s there’s like a real I think I’m over being angry at Kyle and I’m sad for him, because I think it’s too little, too late, obviously, now. And I do think if it hasn’t yet, it’s gonna have to live with this. And I think that when he said, and he said, How much Watch What Happens Live, which, by the way, he did very well on Danny Pellegrino really took a lot of shots at him, even more so than Andy, and he handled it very well. And he spoke very positively about Amanda, and what he says, And what he’s always said, is, there was a lot of love there, and that’s the part that makes you sad, because there really was, they just couldn’t get it.

Together. I just hope they keep keeping it classy. You know what I mean? Yes, him supporting her new line, and them acknowledging the couple that they were and still showing because a lot of people will be like, You’re dead to me, I hate you, and they’re not doing that. And right? I respect that, and I like to see it because it isn’t. This is not. And Amanda said it herself, this is not a scandal situation, period.

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