151. Garcelle’s exit: What’s next for RHOBH? Do we have to talk about Jesse’s toe?

There’s allegedly more to the story about Luis’s tax liens. Garcelle quit Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, we’ll tell you what we’ve been hearing. And what does that mean for the rest of the cast next season? Our Traitors news has been widely shared- we’ll recap it for you. On Summer House, Craig and Kyle finally talked and it feels…anticlimactic and forced. Then there’s the weird threesome/foursome scene. Do we have to talk about Jesse’s toe?

What’s up? Cocktailers. Hello Amanda. Hello B, hi cocktailers, without saying anything, because you know that what stays in our cocktail party zooms, what happens there? Stays there. Our cocktail party zoom was lit last night lit, and that’s all we can say. I was so excited because it was really juicy. What was shared, and I knew about it, but the cocktail or was like, please don’t post it because of the timing and whatever. Yeah, so I never was able to. And so it was great that she shared it, because everybody, everybody was like, This is why we come to zooms. I know so guys, you don’t want to miss you don’t want to miss any of them, but this is the perfect example. And by the way, she was very appreciative the cocktail shout out to everybody that was on the Zoom because she said she felt very supported. She’s, I said it, and I didn’t know how it was gonna go, and the fact that everybody, like, rallied around me and was like, You go, girl, she’s, I felt so relieved. That’s why we have our people. It was, it’s a very good story. We’ll just leave it at that.
Okay, so last week, as we were in the like last, I don’t know, three quarters of the pod, you said my favorite words, breaking news. And there was an article that came out, and we actually had gotten some documents that Louis Royales had been hit with a $2.5 million tax lien from, I believe the state of New Jersey. Yeah, I think it’s up to over 3 million
currently, like last week, we knew about 2.5 Teresa has some and the hits just keep on coming. Yeah, we didn’t share the documents that we were sent, but we did post and we did talk about it, and very strangely, shortly after, we had some issues with our website that came from outside interference. We’ll just leave it at that. So while we were the first to we weren’t the there was another Bravo account that I am blanking on. Can you remember who also posted about it? Everybody posted about it? Chrissy Bowles. Chrissy Bowles, yeah. Chrissy Bowles, she’s lost her account. She’s lost her Tiktok like she’s had to rebuild many times, because when she gets.
Stuff, she just posts it. And we know that the people were speaking about, I don’t know if it’s bots, I don’t really know what it is, but they’ve had great success in taking down accounts, which is why, for me,
Listen, we had the warrior video. Okay, so we were the first to flag the red flag. Yeah, that is the lobster. So it is what it is. And I get stuff, and I’m like, Okay, guess what? If this is true, and if it’s public, and if it’s public documents, it’s going to be out there, and what it is, we discuss it. Yeah, I want to say her account was called reality with balls, just so we can properly get her, because we do shout out to Chrissy. She’s good people. I just have the world’s worst memory. Okay, but as of this week, People Magazine has now posted this and written an article, so there’s really no denying it now, as per, People Magazine, aka our pop culture Bible and an actual news source, here’s what they said. According to records obtained by people, the Real Housewives of New Jersey star and her husband have been hit with over $3 million in tax liens, with Teresa owing $303,889.20
and royal us owning owing nearly 2.6 million. This comes three months after Ruelas was issued another lien for $163,523
in December of 24 which the New Jersey Courts website shows is still an open case. The reality star who tied the knot with Ruelas in 2022 this is referring to Theresa. Previously served an 11 month sentence in prison in 2015 for mail wire and bankruptcy fraud. She has addressed her incarceration several times, saying the courts wanted to make an example, quote, unquote, make an example out of her. And the quote from her is, I know in my heart I was not supposed to go there. I know I only went because I’m in the public eye. She said, in 2022 Listen, I’ll shout it out to the world. I signed two contracts that Joe was flipping, two houses for, that he was buying. That’s all I did. I knew nothing about what he was doing. I have nothing to hide, like I did my time already. End quote, okay, there’s actually more coming out today that they requested an extension on a mortgage loan. So they took out, or he took out, a million dollar additional loan that was set to mature, and they got a year extension on that until March 25 2026 he also took an additional 250 so this 1.2
and change loan on the home is in addition to their over $3 million tax liens, if I’m reading this correctly, which I think I am. So we know that she never really took accountability. She’s always maintained that it was juicy Joe’s fault. All she did was sign papers. Moreover, she didn’t think what Joe did was that big of a deal. And often said things like, because we were celebrities, like, we got flagged and they made an example of us. But a lot of people like, do what we did. Like, it’s common. Okay, watch what happens live. She famously said, I would sign a prenup if he said so. I’m so very easy about that. She told Andy Cohen, he definitely has more money than me. I would never take anything from him. I’m so not like that. So I’m unclear why she thought he had money to begin with, like to just Brian blindly trust, like all of the x’s are coming out, people were pulling out proof of like, businesses of his that had gone bankrupt and lawsuits and all this kind of stuff. I think most women or men, when you’re getting married, you’re gonna look into stuff like that. You’re gonna have a conversation with she has this attorney who follows her around, or did, yeah, I heard much from him lately, yeah, like a security guard, like you would think that there would be, at a minimum, okay, you think there would be a prenup to protect her daughters? Maybe this is all accidental. Maybe he fell on hard times. I know, we know. Let’s pretend that’s the case. You would think she would have an estate for her daughters, or a trust or something that would protect them. That’s just business when you have money. We know that also not just for her daughters, but for herself, because she is going in to that relationship having some assets of her own, like not even just for her daughters, but just for herself. They sold her home that she owned with her first husband, Joe, I would imagine he got part of that sale. We don’t know if they had a mortgage, because when she came out of jail, she did have a lot of debt. She had to pay off. But whatever proceeds she had from the home, one assumes she put towards the new home. She’s not on the deed of the new home, so I really hope she didn’t put any proceeds, any of her money, towards it. When you’re filming these shows, you’re getting brand deals, you have a lot of money coming in. She’s got.
Got four kids. One is self sufficient. Gia is doing quite well. She we’re going to see her making it in Manhattan. She makes a lot of money as an influencer. I’ve seen a lot of people knocking her not going to law school. I’m going to have to say, like she’s in a space right now where we see the girls on summer house, we see girls G is age. You can really get these deals and really earn good money. So good for GIA, like I if she wants to go to law school, she should, if she doesn’t, she should continue doing what she’s doing. What’s that? Yeah, not GIA, for her mother’s poor financial choices, and she just started her podcast too, yeah, which seems like a signed deal. So there’s it’s probably relatively lucrative for her as well, but Theresa does still have Melania and Gabriella in colleges, Expensive Colleges, Michigan and University of Tampa. You’re looking at least $70,000 a year. Maybe the girls got some scholarships, I don’t know, but there’s definitely a lot of out of pocket Co Op, plus the travel right to go to and from and then she has a daughter who is still in high school, who’s going to, most likely have to go to college as well. I would hope, in my fantasy world, Teresa earmark earmarked monies for them. Yeah, I guess the other thing I should say, Teresa, if you’re listening post, nups are a thing too. It’s not too late. If Louie is the stand up guy that he tells us all that he is, and this is all a mistake, or he got into it accidentally, he’ll send a post up. That’s a great idea, especially since her name isn’t on the deed. Yeah, it’s just his LLC, which we don’t know much other than it’s just his LLC on the deed of the house, then she’ll be responsible for her 300,000
tax lien, which may be like her previous debts, like right to give her some grace, she had a lot of debt, which is when she went to jail the first time. And it takes time to pay it off when you’re paying for colleges and Maseratis and vacations on remote islands in Greece and Cartier bracelets for everybody. Good thing is that those weren’t real, yeah. Good thing they saved a little money on that. Okay, so we got a little extra info from a cocktail who was an attorney who looked at the liens, and they shared their expert opinion with us. So it says, okay, he has two judgments filed against him. The lien is a failure to pay taxes, so that allows the government to take the money from your wages or assets. The fraud part is going to be determined. And then it says, she doesn’t own the home, remember? So it’s a lien on him. She shouldn’t be liable. We don’t so she shouldn’t be liable because he owns the home. They will go after the house that he doesn’t pay. It’s millions. The house is worth 3.24
the debt’s at what, 2.5 million, plus maybe a payment plan. I don’t know. It’s a judgment for failure to pay taxes. It’s not a lawsuit, because it’s an enforceable judgment. They will probably give them time to pay it off. And if they don’t pay it off, the house will be sold to pay the lien. And then it says, if something happens further with the tax fraud, jail would be separate. And then it says, yeah,
if he does, if there were going to be fraud charges that probably already would have happened, yeah, but if they can’t pay it, they’ll have to sell the house.
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they have not said a word. They have not publicly addressed it. What’s possible? They set up a payment plan, but $3 million is a lot of money. She’s not currently filming anything. So the money, I’m not saying she doesn’t have money coming in, of course, yeah, some deals and everything like that. She has her podcast, but the money isn’t coming in as it is when she’s filming jersey with an over a million dollar pay day. So I guess it’s a wait and see, and they’re not addressing it. And these things can take a very long time. So now I pose questions to you, does this put enough stink on Teresa that Bravo says we can’t? I think that it puts enough stink on her that like she can’t join an ensemble cast? Oh, you think she won’t do it, or you think Bravo won’t ask her, what kind of spin off is she gonna get? You can’t stay silent on this on a spin off, right? So my question is this where Bravo goes. Okay, let’s get Melissa. Let’s get Dolores. Let’s do six new girls like Atlanta. We said it last night on the Zoom. I think Atlanta has a perfect formula. You add a few new dynamic personalities, a couple of people we know, Melissa at Dolores, maybe Rachel, maybe Marge. I would love Marge to be there. The key is, though, the new people have to have a connection to the cast, right? Yeah. So if we’re thinking of Atlanta as an example and even Miami as an example, there has to be that common thread. And when we’re watching Atlanta, they all, if they’re not friends, they’re in the same circle, and they’ve dated the same people. There’s like, com commonality amongst all of them. Yeah, the only one that feels like she’s new to the group is Angela Oakley, Charles Oakley, his wife, because she’s the wife of a big NBA player.
Player, and it works because everyone else is so connected that it’s fine to have one that is just getting to know the group. Yeah, I think that works too. So wait, I need to clarify something about what you’re saying about New Jersey. So are you saying you think, because of all this news, we won’t see Theresa say yes to anything? No, I don’t think she has a choice. She’s doing. She’s posting meet and greets all over the country. She do anything to earn right now, what I’m saying is, how is Bravo putting her on an ensemble cast of women for her to basically, regardless of who was on the cast, even if it’s her and all new people, those new people are going to ask questions. This is going to be in the media as it is right now, and if cameras are up, how do we not address it? Oh, for sure. I just feel like, bravo. Is going to avoid it. And it was one thing when Theresa went to Joe, the first time we had watched her from a young, new mom in a in a marriage, move into her new home. We were watching her raise her girls, and then we were all shocked to find out about this bankruptcy. We were all invested in her, and we were all rooting for her, and we all felt that she had made mistakes, and she went to jail, and we waited for her to come out, and then we watched her write her books and continue on and upward, get herself out of debt, all these things. Are we gonna do that again? Are we gonna rock for her through a second marriage where she’s repeating the same pattern? I don’t think we are. I don’t know that I was there on the first journey. I wasn’t fully there, but I definitely felt for her, and I wanted to see the story play out. I give Teresa her flowers for being a good mom and raising her daughters and going through that at first, adversity, all of those things, I like a struggle for you flowers.
I just don’t think that I had a lot of sympathy for her situation, and especially her lack of accountability afterwards, because I think I would have a little bit different of a feeling about it if she said, Hey, I didn’t know what I was doing, but now I understand I broke the line. That was a crime. I paid my time. I am working through it onward and upward. But she’s never really said that, and that’s, I think, at the crux for me, what really bothers has always bothered me. Yes, sir. Theresa is an educated person. She was a buyer for Macy’s. She is She should have known better. Nobody wants to pay taxes, okay, guys. And I think that people who do this kind of crime see it as a victimless crime for the 99%
of the population who goes to work and pays their taxes every month, every week, every year, and lives in a much more modest home and doesn’t drive a brand new Mercedes, when you see the lifestyle she was living, and then you find this out if, yeah, shit, if I didn’t pay my taxes, I could have a new build, and I could me And my husband could each have our own fancy cars and, like, there is a sense of, that’s what there is. And I don’t know, is it indignant or what the word is, where you’re huh? And that’s why we do the right thing, because this is what happens if you don’t. Because, let’s face it, yeah, Amanda, why do you pay taxes to not go to jail? I bet I have to, because I have to. I don’t. I don’t have it’s exactly it isn’t my religion, the government is the government. They’re taking half my money, or it feels like close to half. And I don’t love doing it, but at the same time, I’ve been well, in a cell, so I do it. You gotta, because I don’t want to have to leave my daughters. Yeah, you come correct. Comes to taxes, and you don’t mess with that, I fully agree with you. No, I don’t think Theresa can pull this journey off for the second time. I think there’s been and I think the only thing that I would see her being able to emerge from all this is to be like, I’m a dumb ass. Not, I’m a dumb ass. She would never say that. I really messed up. I believed him for all that he said, much like what Portia is saying right now, she doesn’t have to leave him to say any of this. That’s what I’m saying. It would have to be over. She would have to fully separate and divorce him and say, I really messed up in that case. I think she would probably get a chance. But otherwise, like, I don’t see a way to spin this. I agree. I think that there’s definitely an opportunity for her to even be an on an ensemble cast, if she’s willing to say I was duped again, and that could, and like we’ve said here before, that could really change everything. It could change her ability to repair things with her family. It could change a lot. Okay, we,
let’s talk a little bit about traders, because I have to tell you, had the internet buzzing with this list that we got, and shout out and thank you to whomever sent this list to us. I know I haven’t even email told you this, but it was one of our it was like our top hit on our.
Website in terms of search hits last week, like it was reposted everywhere. And I would like to thank all of the content creators who credit us, because it is always appreciated. And I thank you yes, and we, thank you. Yes, we, and we all. We always try to do the same when we can remember, when we remember, well, I know here’s the reason, guys, that I don’t always remember stuff because I’m scrolling in the middle of the night because I can’t sleep, or I am in line at the DMV or whatever it waiting for my groceries to get brought to my whatever it is, basically because we’re not a legitimate publication, and I’m not taking notes. And I should, I really should, and I can, I think I that’s something that I can take accountability for and do better, and just have a Notes app, have something in a Notes app, because it’s, I guess what I’m trying to say, it’s never on purpose, but I can do better. So we’ve, we’re finally able to share that we heard that NeNe Leakes, the one I only shared that last week, we were finally, yeah, I don’t know if I was able, but I just did it because I heard it from a couple other sources. And I was like, All right, well, we also knew about Dorinda, that she was coming back again. I’ve known that for a long time. I think that decision was made early on, yeah, so we also got this, and I’m still female, not to interrupt you, but this is why, and we listen with traders, they talk to a lot of people, so there is always movement. But the reason that I believe that there is truth to this list, and that a lot of these names will be on is because Nini was sent to us totally separate, and I never mentioned the Dorinda part, and her name was on it. So that leads me to believe that I was on the money. Bet you knew, yes, yeah. Ever notice how ads always pop up at the worst moments when the killer’s identity is about to be revealed, during that perfect meditation flow on Amazon Music We believe in keeping you in the moment. That’s why we’ve got millions of ad free podcast episodes, so you can stay completely immersed in every story, every reveal, every breath. Download the Amazon music app and start listening to your favorite podcast ad free, included with prime
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We have heard that Nene has been back in the great good graces and that there have been talks. So I think that really made everything makes sense, too. So here’s the email from Ellen cumming subject, the rumored cast of the traders us might be a dream team. Question Mark, it says some housewives I have heard for season four of the traders us, Nene, Leakes, Ava, Marciel, Margaret, Josephs, Mary Cosby and Dorinda medley again, and then it says, also heard some non housewives, Tiffany Pollard, Maura Higgins, Gemma Collins, Christine Quinn, I will give my thoughts. But I also wanted to say that another source told me, I hope I say this correctly, Kaisar Ksar k a, y, s, a, r from Big Brother. People say he’s beloved like CT and Boston, Rob, so I’m giving him a Yes, Josh from Big Brother and the challenge and Heather gay were other names that this source heard then they said, is salt will Salt Lake City be done by then? I think they will. Erica, Jane was mentioned at one point, but my source said they don’t really see anyone from Beverly Hills going on this season. So Tiffany Pollard, for you guys who don’t know, I think most of you do, is New York, originally from flavor flavors dating show. She is a star. I hope it is true. I feel like her and Nene will either be best friends or perfect enemy. Is two huge personalities. Mary Cosby, I predict she makes it to the end. She’s clueless like charade and Dolores. People really had mixed feelings about Dorinda getting another shot. They think she was annoying at the traders reunion and shouldn’t be asked back. I think it’ll be interesting, because Dorinda and Margaret, although they’re okay now, they had that whole spat when they had their performances together, and they oh right on Jeff Lewis live. And I definitely think that there are two people that are able to be friends because they’re not on the same show, and they’re adjacent to each other, and they see each other in big parties, but when left to like intimate settings, I think that they clash. And I.
That’s why they clashed on Jeff Lewis live, and I think the two of them on traders together would clash, and I think it’ll be really funny. Yeah, I’m with you on that, and I agree with people thinking that Dorinda was annoying on the reunion, and I but I still love her, but I think she was annoying at the reunion. I got really excited. And no offense to I don’t know. I don’t watch Big Brother, so case are, I don’t know his name either. No offense to case our and Josh, but I got really excited when I started to think, could this be an all women cast? Wouldn’t that be badass? That would be badass, especially since, like, last season at the beginning, it seemed like they were targeting the women, yeah, to get him off, I think definitely, at least the housewives. So yes, I remember Tiffany in New York. She was good on House of Villains. She’s got a she’s got a sharp tongue, a quick wit, and she’s very smart. So I think she’ll be really good on a show. I think she would be a great trader, and I’m just gonna say this, but I think Mary Cosby would be great, because I think Mary Cosby plays clueless, but is not clueless. She ran that church. I She’s, I think she’s a lot smarter than anybody gives her credit for. I’m just curious, actually, like Carolyn in a different right? But the scenario, yeah, and yeah, it’ll just be interesting to see which version of Mary Cosby shows up, right? Is it, the more the more? What is the word that I am looking for, vulnerable Mary that we saw on the last season of Salt Lake City? Or is it the the more quiet, sharper tongued Mary, who keeps things close up to the vest? We’ll see. Yeah, with Mary. I think her biggest, her biggest challenge will be she doesn’t make connections and friendships quickly, yeah, because she’s like, very slow to trust and I think that will be hard for her, but if she plays it quiet and doesn’t insult and lash out and call people inbred, I think she could do well, yeah, yeah. I think the more vulnerable Mary, I agree, would probably do well. And I think if Erica Jane did come, the fashion would be amazing. Over the top, I would very much enjoy saying that. Speaking of Erica, I guess it was yesterday. It feels like it’s been like three days since this happened, but Garcelle announced on her Instagram that she was making a formal announcement that she has chosen not to return to Beverly Hills, she said, Andy says. And Andy has since confirmed this, by the way, Andy said that the door is always open and that Garcelle is making the choice to focus on her career and her family. So we had heard that she had a rough reunion, but we hear that a lot of times, like who has an easy reunion, so that, in and of itself, didn’t indicate to me that she was leaving. I do think that seeing the clips of the reunion, which we saw after like our intel, the writing was on the wall that next season was her. We’re ganging up on you season. I do know that it was absolutely her choice, and they really wanted her to stay. Not only did they want her to stay, but they asked her not to make the announcement ahead of the reunion. It’s not something they like to wrap the season up with a bow and then slowly announce who’s leaving. Yeah. They’re sad that she’s living Yeah, I am, I for 1am, sorry to see her go. I know there’s been a lot of speculation that Bose went after her during the reunion, and that’s why Garcelle posted on social media the quote, not all skin folk are kinfolk. People think that was aimed at Bose for going after her, because I guess during the reunion, Bose said, if you had said what you said about dorits Robbery being staged about me, I would sue you for defamation. So it’s definitely possible that Bose said that, but to me to say you’re going to sue her. Is just silly. Garcelle never outright said it. She insinuated it. This is housewives. If we’re going to start suing each other every time something is said that we don’t like the person, is going to get cut from the show and do reads. Not going to risk that. Yeah, yeah. And maybe white Garcelle would be upset, though, for Bose to even put that out there. I think maybe, I think it could be a lot of things too, right? It could be that Garcelle was tired of sudden, not supporting her because we’ve also heard that Sutton didn’t really have her back at their union either, and that’s been a recurring theme from this season. And I actually watched Garcelle in the last episode of the season, say, I really haven’t tried to get to know the other women. I’ve just kikid with Sutton, and I regret that, and I think I’m gonna try to get to know the other women. And so then at the reunion, she was probably like, you know what, I’m this is just not working. And I have I’m booked. I’m busy. My sons are gonna be seniors in high school.
Next year I have a new grandchild. So now I have two grandchildren. I’m good, I’m walking, and I can always come back if I need or want to. And I think I mentioned this on the Zoom last night. I think it’s also Garcelle is very smart, and I think it’s very plausible that she said to herself, before taking the show, I’m gonna give myself five years and then re evaluate and see if this, if this platform, launches me the way that I hope it will, and look at how far she’s come and how she’s now producing all of these movies and doing all this content. I think there’s, I think it’s that I do think the spending that making sure to spend more time with her boys last year, she has them like, I don’t know about you, but I feel it, especially with my kids getting older. I like, think I’m like, we only have x more summers. We only have say that. I know, but it’s so true. It’s not true. I still go away with my father every summer, and I am a old lady. I think you guys have a very cool family dynamic, though. I’ll make my kids have the same dynamic. Yeah, your kids, I guess you better buy the house next door on either I’ll be like dad from my big Greek wedding. Why you want to leave me? I know I love him too, because he puts wind ducks on everything. And that’s like my joke always about Aquaphor, because I literally have one. I panic if I leave the house, I put it, I give it to the kids all the time. Here, use some Aquaphor here. Oh, like, my son got like, a little scar, like a little cut on his face. I’m like, put some Aquaphor on it. He’s really on my guess like it, whatever. Anyway, I can understand that maybe it isn’t. Maybe it’s a combination of all, well, and one of her sons didn’t want to film anymore. And I think it was a whole lot of, I think it was a whole lot of things. I think she made the best decision for her in this current moment in her life. And I like that. Garcelle is very smart. This is what’s working for her this year and next year, it could be a totally different dynamic, and she could want to go back, yeah, yeah. And I think it’s smart of her. This is the way I like to live my life, is to not burn bridges, because I think it’s the world is small. And so I think the way that she’s doing it, leaving on her terms, keeping the door open, I think is really smart. So what do you think this all means for the rest of the cast on Beverly Hills? Oh, the obvious is that Sutton is going to have a rough go of it. Yeah, I do not believe that Sutton leaves because Garcelle leaves. I personally think she should, because I think that she’s going to be eviscerated unless she gets lucky, like dorit did, to have somebody like Bose come on and ride for her. It just seems unlikely. But what I can say that I think we saw more this season than ever before with Sutton, as Jennifer Tilly says, Is she needs this show to fulfill some part of her, to have something for herself. So I do not believe that we hear that she lives on her own accord. I’m wondering, does this leave room for Crystal to return? She was on watch. What Happens Live recently? I think maybe if she brings in one of her Uber wealthy Beverly Hills friends, that wouldn’t work, because I just sense this triggering a real kind of shake up. I think stuff’s gonna get shook interesting. They’re not losing Dorit, because she really performed this season. Yeah, hey, it’s Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons, Vons and pavilions. It’s Oral Care Month, which means you can earn four times points on all your favorite oral care brands now through July 15, shop in store or online for items like Colgate toothpaste, Listerine, mouthwash, crest mouthwash or toothpaste. Sensodyne toothpaste, hello, toothpaste or G, U, M, flossers and earn four times points. Points can be redeemed for future discounts on gas or groceries. Offer ends July 15. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit Albertsons, Vons or pavilions.com. For more details,
unless Kyle chooses to go, which I don’t believe she will, because I think that there’s going to be a lot of uncertainty with finances when she divorces, because although they earn a lot of money, a lot of their stuff is not liquid. It’s a franchise business. It’s very confusing, and to give up a million dollar check does not make sense for her. Yeah, I don’t see Kyle leaving either. I wouldn’t. I don’t see that happening as much as back to Crystal. I don’t know that’s the move. And like I did, I always liked crystal, but it does seem like she’s happier off the show. I like this idea of somebody else, new coming on as much as I disliked some of bozes comments and the way that she just answered some questions on Watch What Happens Live This Week, I really loved her overall as an addition, I think. And I think she did come on and ride for Dori, but I think she also, and I would say the same about Garcelle, she would she wasn’t like a ride or die either. She would.
Agree, if something like that dorit said was wrong, I end on Watch What Happens Live. She did not when they play the can you defend this game? Did not defend dorit on everything I did want to say about Bose, which I think that this is one thing we can share from our zoom. One of our cocktailers used to work with Bose when Bose was at Apple, and the cocktail said Bose is exactly the same at work as she is on the show, which is what we love to hear. I would love to see Jennifer. I don’t know how. I don’t know if Jennifer wants to see this, but I would love to see Jennifer till you get promoted. I just, I loved her this season. I loved her, but I don’t even know if that’s something she’s interested in, yeah, she’s really largely able to avoid the real drama. We actually saw in the last episode that Erica kind of came and was like, Who was it that thought that dorit and I colluded together about Erica really tried to have a moment there. Yeah. Does this indicate a bigger cast shake up? Is what my mind is going to and if it does, like I listen, we’ve been through a lot of stages of Erica Jane, and I’m not saying I don’t want her on the show, but if I’m production and I’m looking at my salary heavy girls, I have to wonder what Erica is giving me at this point, because this season was about decorating a rental so you could shade Garcelle all you want About her beach house. She owns it, and it’s her second property. I did think it was funny that, because Garcelle said on Watch What Happens Live, that Erica married for money. And Erica said, when she was on Watch What Happens Live, we both married ugly, white guys who cheated on us and did like that line. I don’t know what Erica’s beef with his. I think I do know what Erica’s beef is with Garcelle. And I said it on the Zoom. I think she’s jealous of her, like Hollywood success. I think Erica always wanted that for herself to be a legitimate, known entity as a performer, and she’s really only known as a housewife, and that burns her. Yeah, yeah. I agree. I would be open. I would be open to seeing new other new people on the cast as well. I am curious on something actually Beverly Hills, because I’m reading a lot of people online, like on blog comments and social media saying, not so much cocktail it’s just other places saying that they think this was a boring season of Beverly Hills. I’m starting to wonder, like, what the heck these people want? Because we had dorits divorce, PKS addiction issue. Dorit smoking alone just has given us memes for days. Kyle, while she didn’t tell us everything, shared quite a bit more, still frustratingly, not enough. We got Bose, we got Jennifer Tilly. We had heartbreak, we had friendship fighting, name calling, $1,000 caviar, baked potatoes like that. St Lucia trip was insane. Like, I thought it was a really good season. What did you think I’m with you? I thoroughly enjoyed the season. I looked forward to tuning in every week. It wasn’t a season like where I got to with Potomac, where I just was like, Oh, do I have to watch for the pod? I liked it. Now. Was it the most exciting, exhilarating season? No, but not every season can be. I think there was enough drama to keep me interested, and I genuinely enjoy the late most of the ladies. I thought it was a great season. I agree. I don’t. I don’t know what people want. And then when there’s too much drama, it’s, oh, I can’t tune in. They’re always fighting. I agree. I don’t know. I definitely didn’t think it was boring. And like I each week we sit down and write down some notes about, well, we want to talk about the podcast. And every week, I’m like, I wanted to talk about XYZ from Beverly Hills, because I think there was interesting stuff that happened every week. Yes, anyway, I think we, should we go to the summer house stuff? Yeah, let’s do it.
Name your favorite civil war, Battle summer house. Verse, Southern charm shot out to Bravo. Oh, my God, that was funny. I saw that meme today.
I thought that was really funny. Yeah, okay, let’s talk Kyle and Craig, because Kyle and Craig are part of why there is this beef. Craig is there for the weekend. Kyle wanted to talk to him Friday night or whatever, the night before, Craig wouldn’t do it. Then Craig says, yes. When Kyle says, Can we talk while they’re both in their pirate costumes? And can we sit and talk in this boat? And then Craig gets up, and he’s, yeah, just one second, I’m gonna go to get a drink.
And then he’s like, up in their room. He’s eating some, by the way, those salt and vinegar chips in the blue bag. Now, of course, I’m forgetting the brand name on that. Those are right, like my favorite, no cookies, no, God, I might have to just run to my kitchen here in a minute, but they make an air fried version too of and they’re the kettle chips. Excuse you. You better freaking send me a picture.
Okay, I will. They’re so good. So I was like, Oh, he has good taste in chips, and he’s eating chips, and he is, like, sitting down on the bed and he’s got his computer out. He is not just getting a drink, and he’s making Kyle sit in that boat. By, well, Jesse said he’s, like, big dicking him or, yeah, Jesse had a comment, basically, yeah, he’s, he’s like, putting him in his place. Power move, yeah, but it was funny. I found it funny. I think it was a power move based on the fact that they’re all a little scared of Paige, and at the time, Craig was Paige’s girlfriend, yeah. I what, what did you think was this, like, of this talk? Because it felt short and a little just, oh, like the build up, spin off, just for this. I mean, it seemed forced, and I give Kyle a lot of shit, but I can see his side. I do think where he messed up is how he went about it. I agree that alcohol is a huge space. It’s a very profitable space. He had an offer from another spritz company like maybe Craig wasn’t as upfront about it, because maybe he was a little bit like, oh yeah, I might do a deal with the spritz company because he didn’t want to come out and say it. But ultimately, they’re not best friends. They are acquaintances at best so I think it’s okay for Kyle to be annoyed, but to Craig’s point calling him a liar on Watch What Happens Live. It was just like he was wrong, and Kyle says his whole identity is his business. How does it look for Craig’s businesses to be called a liar by a quote, unquote friend? Ultimately, Kyle begrudgingly says he’s sorry, because Craig was basically like, if you’re not sorry, then we can’t move on. And then they both are just like, Oh yeah, it’s great. Let’s hug. Let me drink your spritz. Let’s whatever. Listen, there is no love lost post page. Craig will never look or talk to Kyle again. Vice versa. So I think that had Craig and Paige stayed together, I think they would have been able to maintain an amicable situation. I don’t believe that there would have been double dates. You know what I’m saying. I think their situations were done, but I think that in group events, they’d be like, Oh, what’s up, bro? Have casual like, in other words, they wouldn’t punch each other in the face and they wouldn’t make it super uncomfortable for everybody. But that’s about as deep as it’s gonna go for them. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So the cracks are continuing to show, just as we’ve been told, with Paige and Craig, and Paige in her bedroom, sitting on the bed with Sierra really starts airing out her issues with Craig, and we actually even see Sarah cover her face so that the camera doesn’t Pick up. What like, what her lips are saying while they are talking, which I thought was really interesting. Basically, Sierra covered her face and must have said something to the effect of, this is on camera, if you don’t want this to play next season. Stop. Stop. Because then she said, I’m only gonna say it once we saw her say that. That’s when, in my mind, I was like, Paige was like, she was pretty settled on her decision. She really realizing and Ciara when they were talking on the bed, this was conversations that Paige has had with Sierra before. Yeah, so you could tell. So these were issues in their relationship, and Paige was saying it on camera, because I think that Paige knew she was gonna break up with him. It obviously took her a while to really end it, because this was July, and they broke up. And again, we could squabble about the exact day, but it happened sometimes after Thanksgiving and a couple weeks before Christmas. So let’s call it November 8, I don’t because people are very stuck on the day. Hey, it’s Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons, Vons and pavilions. It’s Oral Care Month, which means you can earn four times points on all your favorite oral care brands now through July 15, shop in store or online for items like Colgate toothpaste, Listerine, mouthwash, crest mouthwash or toothpaste, Sensodyne toothpaste, hello, toothpaste or G, U, M, flossers and earn four times points. Points can be redeemed for future discounts on gas or groceries. Offer ends July 15. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons Vons or pavilions.com. For more details. The Mercedes Benz dream days are back with offers on vehicles like the 2020 5e class, CLE coupe, C class and EQE sedan. Hurry in now through July 31 visit your local authorized dealer or learn more at MB, usa.com/dream,
I agree, because I think Paige is a very, I don’t want to say calculated, because that makes that has a negative undertone. But I think Paige, even after she’s had some drinks, if she is talking about some of this real stuff that’s going on in her relationship with Craig, she knows she’s on camera, and she knows that like she is her.
Like maybe she hasn’t fully admitted to herself that she wants to break up, but that she’s headed there. So I completely fact that in three years, she’s never spoken poorly of their relationship, and all of them said she was very private. Is because she was in the relationship and she was planning on going the distance, and so seeing her this summer open up about it, it’s like she was letting herself do that, and in the course of opening up and getting everyone’s reactions. And so maybe it started behind closed doors, right? Maybe when she first told her friends, be it Amanda, be it Sierra, be it her real life, like off the show Friends, maybe she started to say this isn’t gonna work, like I’m gonna see how the tour goes, but if all of these things I’m feeling and he’s insinuating are what’s gonna be, then I’m gonna have to exit this relationship. And like, we see the clips of her crying and saying, but I don’t want to lose everything if I lose Craig. So I do think that there’s a real fear of she’s hurting Craig because he’s all in but she also has her career is based off the public liking her, so her showing all the bad sides of him right before she ends it is a good way. And I am not saying it’s not true. Okay, so she didn’t feel supported in her relationship, and based on what she said, I can see that she did, that she felt unsupported. So I’m not saying the things that she said she created out of thin air, like when she said he doesn’t want me to bring up how I’m much busier than him because he like, if my husband said that to me, like I would feel very not supported. You should be happy for your partner’s success, like everybody has their ebbs and flows and thrives in different seasons. So if Paige is having a great run, he should be supporting that, not in any way making her feel, even if it wasn’t his intention, like it doesn’t make him a terrible, awful person for her to be like, I need a partner that supports me differently. But I do think that to your point, and I don’t want to use the calculated I just think that by her sharing it on camera, she was smart to give the viewers an inside track of why, right? I think that will help her navigate. And I do think it’s very interesting. She hasn’t been on watch, what happens live, and I have to imagine it’s because she’s telling them, not yet there’ll be a point in the season where she’ll go on, but I think she wants certain things, like last night’s episode, to unfold, so that there’s less explaining for her to do and she can more. So be like, I didn’t feel supported. You guys saw the episode. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And by the way, justice for us, because this is really, this is what we’ve been saying the whole time. There wasn’t cheating, there wasn’t like things just really were clearly not working out for them. And so here we are. Yeah, I feel like we need to talk about this, because, okay, im rule just to focus on him before we get to the four sub is giving me the ick. How about you going out of the room, like sweaty, like mid sex, in your underwear? I don’t need to sound like an old lady, but there’s like, a whole house full of people. It just seems a little bit much. Yeah, I that that grossed me out when he was coming out to get the fan and then tells everybody that he’s got two chicks in there. And that was the part that I was even more grossed out. Just say it’s hot in my room. Does anybody know where our fan is? But right? Maybe I’m just gonna put this out here. Maybe throw on a pair of gym shorts. Yeah, you don’t know. They don’t know that. You did. He just moved into the house two weeks ago. He’s on his 15th Foursome, and he’s coming out in his tight undies. No, and I, so I got into a conversation on Discord with a cocktail about this today, because somebody was saying the same thing. It’s really giving us. She’s, I’m not, she’s, call me an old prude or whatever, but she’s, I’m just really not into this. And my I’m when she goes into the Y and we’ve seen these faceless girls going into his room now, weekend after weekend. And so I agree with all of those things. I agree it gives me the egg. But what I’m also seeing is that he is, we don’t know why, but very purposely being edited to seem very one dimensional. We’re not seeing his conversations with other castmates. We’re not seeing him like when he goes to the gym with the guys, like what they’re talking about. Are we even seeing him in like, interviews afterwards? And if I had I’m like, I think that we have to be aware of the we’re not seeing anything else from him. So it’s very purpose. And we don’t know why is it they don’t have enough time to cover his story, or his story isn’t interesting enough. We don’t know why, but I also am just seeing so again, I’m not saying this to make excuses for his behavior. I’m.
Is also very aware of, I think we’re partially feeling the way that we’re not just because of his actions, but because some, for some reason, the editors want us to feel that way, like we know that they wanted to move away from the couple house thing. So do we think that maybe they said to Emerald, play this up? Quite possibly. I also believe that there are dudes that are like that, that are just hooking up weekend after weekend. The other thing that is odd to me is that nobody is saying anything. Because, like, I would have a real hard time with somebody bringing strangers in for overnights when people are sleeping in the house all of the time. I don’t know about you, but in my 20s, like, I was, like, real, like, really careful about that, but I had some friends who were not and would bring go or go home with guys from the bar. And, of course, me and with my whole thing is I’m always like, how do you know you’re gonna be safe? And then like, how do you know your roommates are gonna be safe? And it seems strange that nobody else in the house is like, hey dude. Like, maybe stop bringing can you go to their house instead? Actually, we see Sierra say something to him, is that next up? I think that’s, oh, it must be next episode. Yeah, good. Was like, at first, they were all laughing about it. And then this is every single night, yeah, if there’s a weekend, if he’s been there three weekends, it’s like, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday. And okay, the reality of it is this, we know that there’s a camera crew there, and there’s production there, and so they are safe because there is security, because they’re filming a show, right? Everybody at this point knows where that house is. I’m sure they have a security vehicle outside. So the safety isn’t like a real, true threat, because they are being filmed and everything, but it’s just a lot, and I have to imagine that production pushed it. I do. I will say, though I do believe that emerald, like this is his thing. I don’t think that he’s just doing this for TV, and he’s not like a poly, oh, poly. That took me a minute to understand what he was saying. Yes, because that means polyamorous, right? Like willing to have orgies, essentially exactly multiple sex partners at once. Or, I think poly means different partners. I don’t know if it necessarily means at the same time. Oh, so I think it’s somebody who if we had four husbands or boyfriends, right? Yes, feel free to correct us because we’re too old, proves No. Thank you. I don’t like any more husbands. I have absolutely no issue with how, however people want to live their lives. That’s not my issue. My issue is like he’s making it like a circus event by coming out of the room getting a fan like that. Just all seems I agree. Sorry, I completely agree. I completely agree. Okay, what about Sierra and Jesse? Oh, no, first we got to talk about Jesse’s toe. Oh, do we have to talk about Jesse’s toe? Yes, because so, um, rule has two girls in the room. They’re all very intoxicated. Jesse goes in the room. So initially when I see Jesse go in the room, my head goes to it’s a little weird, but they’re all drunk. He’s just going in there to say hi, get a look at the girls, and come out and be like, oh yeah. Or one, there’s a blonde and a brunette or whatever. I report back, yeah, but it production shows him leaving 37 minutes later with his socks off. We hear him say a couple of sexual things, and then he comes out and claims he just got his toe sucked. Was it him that said I’m hard now? Or Yes, it was you. I couldn’t tell if it was him or emerald. Okay, if you believe that he just got his toe sucked, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn, like emerald and Jesse were on watch. What Happens Live last night, they have doubled down. They said it was complete nonsense. But 37 minutes, you are not sitting in a room getting your toes sucked or watching them have sex. You’re getting a blow job. Yeah, period, yeah. And he was not steady with Lexi. He knew that emerald brings these girls back, and nobody ever hears from them again. And these girls were very sexually fluid and free, and he could go in there, and in his drunken state, he I don’t I gotta, we gotta re watch. Because, I guess, did he say I got my toe sucked as soon as he came out? Or was that in a confessional in the next morning? I think he was saying it to West the next morning, right? He was talking to like, yeah, we just see him stumble out 37 minutes later. And he’s a very bright guy, so when he woke up, he was like, Oh yeah, it was crazy. Sucked my toe. Something random, something that obviously Lexi would be annoyed at, but technically isn’t like, anything terrible. Yeah, that the death. I don’t know it’s it definitely made me see Josie differently, that he would even go in there, and I don’t know, like, knowing what was going on in there tells me that this wasn’t his first rodeo. And well, onto the Sierra piece. Yeah, I think that everything Sierra said was before he went into that room and had his toe socked. And I got to tell you the truth. I do think that at the moment that him and Sierra were talking, Sierra was, oh, I would go.
Jesse and oh God, but now he’s like, seeing Lexi, and that’s gonna be a whole drama. Not that she’s such good friends with her, but she is a girl’s girl. I think that when Jesse left that room and the whole toe sucking and everything I feel like knowing Sierra, she was probably very turned off by that, and was like, Nope, he’s a fuck boy. I really think that anything she was thinking prior went out the window after that toe sucking. And it’s will be interesting to see the next episodes. If CR is more like, doesn’t do the flirting and doesn’t do all that because she’s like, over it, moving past it, yeah, I would agree. I think you’re right. I don’t know. I think with those two, I think that I don’t know, I’m gonna go. I would go out on a limb. And I agree with you that this one incident could change everything, just because we know Sierra, like Sierra is somebody who seems to want a very traditional relationship, although she’s got a bad picker and yeah, like her and Austin were, like, semi dating, and not even exclusive, and she was so upset with him. Harlem West, she’s still upset with him a year, almost a year later, and he didn’t cheat on her. He they were dating. He didn’t want to be monogamous and exclusive, and we actually had a cocktail tell us that that is the truth. They know people who know him in real life. He was into Sierra, but then they were dating, he was getting a lot of attention, and he just honestly wanted to go out and be single and enjoy the attention from women and hook up with a lot of women, so he broke up with her and then did those things. So I just, which is why I would go out on a limb and say, I think with Jesse and Sierra, it maybe could work, but not right now, not now. I think that he spoiled it well, and I didn’t like it. He was on Watch What Happens Live last night, and was point blank, asked about, I forget if it was dating Paige or Sierra. And he was like, honestly, all the girls in the house are smart and beautiful, and I’d be lucky to date any of them. Sierra is the kind of girl, and I’m sorry I am too. When you’re asked that question, you want to date me, you better say, Oh, my God, I would pick Sierra time and time again. She is gorgeous. She’s beautiful. I hope I haven’t friend zoned myself forever, like sitting there. Listen, yes, he’s right. The girls in the house are all smart and beautiful and wonderful. A girl doesn’t want to hear that. A girl wants you to choose her. Of course, she does. You’re going to have to make a choice. Saying you go with Paige or Sierra, you’re gonna go with neither of them. Hung Jesse is in no place, clearly, to want to settle down anytime soon. This is where I want to redirect Sierra and Paige to dating a billionaire. I’m I’m hearing that Jeff Bezos, his wedding is in Italy this summer. Somebody get those two an invite so they can meet somebody who is successful in their own right. Now tell you that Paige will likely be in Italy, and there is a chance that Sierra will come with her. Since she’s single, we think Paige is single. We don’t know she may be seeing that guy and just keeping it on the low, because she got so much backlash. Could be there was somebody sent me some like nonsense blind saying that, which, to me, it would make sense if that were true, like her keeping it on the low, of I heard, keep it on No, yeah, and maybe that’s why she hasn’t been on Watch What Happens Live, because she doesn’t want to have to admit that. Yet, I think that has everything to do with them wanting Paige on at the either after the reunion or after the finale, because of everything that’s been going on with her in Christ, just like Jesse and emerald were on tonight after that episode, there’s a lot. There’s clearly strategy around when they come on. And so I don’t think it’s necessarily about that. I think it’s more just Bravo, knowing it’s better if they because so much, there’s so much chatter around Paige and Craig to save it for. Then yes, that makes sense, guys, we love you. There is a lot going on. We saw the love hotel trailer. I’m very excited for that mess. We do have a lot of we got a lot of stuff during filming. So when it’s on, we’ll be reposting and sharing what we heard. We have, oh God, the valley. Can someone save us? I mean, with as much into oh, by the way, Amanda, a bunch of people told me that Sheena gave us a shout out on her podcast.
And she said, Yeah, it’s like, annoying how you film and you make, like, a great season, and then you have some, I don’t know what she called the person, but some leak that just writes to Bravo and cocktails and tells them every move we make, and I’m like, Yes,
I love you, you leaker. Oh, so all our shit is accurate, as per, Sheena, Shea, Sheena, and all you’re opening, you’re welcome to petition me for why you shouldn’t be my BC, yes, I don’t.
She should be. She’s crediting us. She could have just called us the blogs so true. She gave us the respect to say our name, and also, most of those were cocktails. So I don’t know how any of these people know. I’m just saying, Yeah, that’s too funny. I love it. We love to see it. We love you guys. Thank you so much. Next time