98. Breaking Breakup News; VPR; Summer House Exclusive Tea

Cocktailers won’t be surprised to hear Marcus and Larsa are broken up (AGAIN). We’ve got some exclusive tea from a source on why. And – why can’t Larsa just show some vulnerability for once? Watching Summer House, we’re seeing the precursors to Carl and Lindsay’s breakup. Cocktailers are seeing it play out much like the tea we shared – but we can’t help but wonder, did Lindsay ever see the writing on the wall? Or was she so focused on winning each argument and on the wedding that she couldn’t see what literally every other housemate saw regarding her relationship? And we’ve got a Cocktail Party exclusive on where Carl’s head was at during the end of the summer when he approached Lindsay about the breakup. And last but not least, we both loved The Valley premiere and are hooked. Turns out one of the couples hasn’t just broken up, but one of the new stars of the show has already moved on to a new relationship.

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I mean, we posted this morning. And then all the media outlets confirmed that Larsa and Marcus are no more again once again and we got a little got a little email that looks like it’s the same person who emailed us back in June before anyone knew of any cheating, right? Because we all were under the impression that Marcus was the sweet guy like we met him. But the email said, Hey, I emailed you back in June that the Miami housewife was parenthesis is being cheated on by her younger boyfriend. It never stopped. She sucked it up to film the season. They made up. They filmed the other reality TV show, but she kept learning of his cheating. While she was a way filming her most recent show. Sidenote, we know she’s filming House of Villains without him. Let’s just say she got hard evidence. Currently, they are not on speaking terms. But she loves to forgive him when he buys her a nice gift. So we shall see
hard evidence is that like he sent a dick pic to somebody.
I mean, I sort of got emphasis on the hard there. You felt that too. I don’t feel it. Thank God. I mean, listen, we know as Adriana pointed out, which I loved this. We know that Larsa likes to play like little kids where they put a bag over their head and thinks everybody they everybody thinks their God. Like she’s a queen of deflection. She’s a queen of ignoring so it kind of makes sense to me and even when we had for shell which by the way you guys loved to shell like we did. We had such a good time with her Trish Secure Shell said when they were filming. It was He thought she hung them on and she found it very hard to believe that he was cheating on her. But she did note that when they filmed the reunion there was a noticeable shift and change so she believes that something happened. Yeah. You
know, I don’t know why Larsa doesn’t just share what’s been hard about her life. What was difficult with her to force I don’t know if she just feels like it shows weakness, or if she’s going with the like Kardashian kind of playbook of you You only give a little information, you don’t really talk about it if you’re having a hard time, like I don’t, I don’t get it because I actually think all of us would like her relate to her, empathize with her a little bit, because all we see is her pointing out everybody else as far as and only showing really that good in her life, which just falls flat to me,
I have to agree. And I just, I don’t know what it is. I think she sees it as a failure on her part. I think when we watch her talk about first when she was married, she had sex five times a day, and then or four times and now with Marcus five times. And then at the reunion you remember, she told the other woman they were dry? It’s almost sounds like and it makes me feel sorry for her that she derives her self worth from the sex in a relationship or her being attracted, like, Do you know what I’m saying? Oh, yeah. So I think that she sees it as a failure on her part.
Well, and I mean, I don’t know how to say this in a way other than I’m just trying to be as like neutral as possible, because she sells her looks her exterior on only fans. Right? So there is a certain, I guess, I mean, to a certain extent, I guess she some of her I don’t, I wouldn’t say self worth, but there is like a monetization, I guess of her quote unquote, sexiness. Eve, I don’t believe it’s just the pictures that she’s sharing. Right. And like, I’m not saying that’s bad. So that’s why I’m really hesitating with my words here. Because I don’t I don’t I think old knee fans is great. I think Power to the People is, you know, given a lot more power to people to put themselves out there versus having to go through a clearing house like a playboy. Right. Right. But it does seem like there is just it’s there’s just too many things, propping up the house. And it would just be I think it would be interesting to see to hear from her, you know, what has been what has been hard. You know, I read an interview with her when she was talking about the first breakup, I guess this was from two teas in a pot. I didn’t hear this interview, but I was reading and she’s like, I’m a cancer. So I’m emotional. And I deleted all our pictures on Instagram, and I didn’t even archive them. And I just worked fast. And when you strike my emotions, I move quickly, essentially, is what she saw it and it’s like, you know, you could say like, I was really pissed off. I really sad I was, I was whatever. And it’s just like, it just seems like there’s a lot of pretense going on there that has, like I said, just been falling flat. Like, think about when Princess Diana, because you know, we’re going to talk about next but when Princess Diana came out in that interview, and like I said, you know, it’s it hurts and it hurts when there’s another woman in your marriage. And everyone was like, Oh my gosh, this woman that we have all idolized and think had the perfect life has not and it made everybody loves her more.
And the thing about it is nobody would judge her for women get cheated on every day. And it has nothing to do with their looks. Men do not cheat on their wives because their wives aren’t attractive men cheat on their wives for their own compulsions, or their own insecurities, or whatever it is. So I find it sad for her. I pass no, like, I have never heard of a situation celebrity or everyday folk have a woman getting cheated on. And we think to myself, Oh, it’s because she’s not pretty. If you know what I’m saying and the fact that it clearly. I don’t know. Do you think
once a cheater, always a cheater choosing cheaters can reform?
I think it’s complicated. I do think that there’s a space where somebody can lose everything. Like let’s say, you’re married, you cheat on your wife, your wife leaves you. I think there, there is a learning experience where somebody can say if either the wife forgives them or they meet somebody else. I don’t want to do that. Again. I made a mistake. I think that people who cheat like on all their boyfriends or girlfriends or regularly on their spouse, I think it’s just a part of who they are. I don’t think monogamy is important to everybody. Yeah, but I certainly think that people people are capable of making mistake a guy like Mark is all the stuff we’ve heard. I think it’s just part of who he is and who his father is. It’s who he is. Right? And I think that he still loves her and that’s probably why they get back together because He misses her and he does love her. Some men just are and women just aren’t capable of monogamy.
I think that that’s a good answer because I actually agree with you that not all cheaters are unreformable are unchangeable, but that some are never going to change. So I think there’s just so much of a power dynamic that pops up with that. So I think that’s what it has to do with a lot versus looks, or sexiness, or any of that. Total. Okay, let’s do talk summerhouse. Because, you know, it’s been really interesting. So interesting. Almost more, to me watching summer house post, you know, the big hubhaus Break up versus watching Vanderpump last year, and then, you know, knowing that because because we’re seeing, we’re seeing it fall apart, and we’re seeing so much in front of our faces. So, you know, you know, we had heard that there was a lot of fighting and that she challenged his sobriety. And that, you know, she was still drinking but said, you know, a lot of it’s just wedding stress. And then what we’re seeing is is pretty clear, right? And we are hearing some cocktails are saying while he could be starting fights with her in the cab when the cameras aren’t up just to get her activated.
I mean, sure, listen, the fact remains, she keeps saying on camera. Are you on drugs? Are you on something did then this week it was Did you smoke marijuana because you smoke marijuana. So she added his marijuana use. Now as his fiancee, it’s completely valid if she has an issue with it. But on camera, it’s wrong. And I have to say she does change when she is drinking. And we’re watching her heavily drink in these last couple of episodes, which is her choice, but a quote unquote sober person, which then there’s the whole debate, Cali sober verse, But he got
drunk, he is not drunk. He’s round drinking. And I think that is definitely commendable. So
and, and a binge drinker, right? Because she goes on the weekend, and she’s binge drinking. And she changes and she becomes volatile and irrational. So you’re looking at this, and everyone in the house and all the viewers, had they not broken up. I mean, we know how it panned out, but we’d say to ourselves, like, how do you sustain a relationship? You know? Yeah, so could Corel be condescending or rude door? Of course, as a matter of fact, when they were having their talk, and she was like entering the Uber, he goes, it was a lift. Like, that’s a dick like that today, if I’m having an argument with my husband, and he says that the fight has just escalated.
Do you know what I’m saying?
I do I do I read it’s like it is it’s like one of those things. Right?
Like, yes, if you’re arguing with your fiance, and you’re like, well on Monday, and he’s like, it was Sunday. That’s not the fucking point. Right?
Well, and like I Yeah, Agreed. Agreed. And I 100% would be like those saying it was a left it was like That’s fucking fighting words. And now we’re really fighting.
Right now you’re looking to fight? Yeah,
exactly. Listen,
I stand behind. I have never believed Carl was an angel pre or post sobriety. But I stand firmly in believing she is 100% in the wrong for outing his marijuana use for insinuating drug use
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I want 100% agree. I what I think there’s some very interesting things happening. So yes, we heard Carl say, it’s not that she’s drinking or even how much but it’s the person she turns into and drinking. Then we hear Jesse Solomon go, how would you like, regularly kiss somebody who is drunk when you’re a sober person, which I’m like, That is such a good white like that would not that would not be appealing? Yeah, I’ve never thought of that. But it’s I mean, it was such a good point. Right? And what Carlos said like is that, you know, it’s the person she turns into. And when she’s drinking, it really resonated with me, because some people are just mean drunks. And some people also just turn on the people that they supposedly love the most when they drink. And I see Lindsey kind of doing both and she gets activated almost every time. We see her drink on camera. We know we know that post breakup, she played this I got why incited roll, which now I actually kind of see why she felt that way because she is just not hearing him. She is so worried about winning the fight and telling him he’s gaslighting her and saying that she’s just not listening to what he’s saying. And now we’re seeing a pattern of she’s pretty much just saying mad. Until Karl comes around and says he’s sorry, first.
Yes. When she said when he was going back and saying no, that’s not it. It’s this. She stood up and said, See, I knew you were too angry to talk, which is like another way of saying, Okay, you’re not ready to roll over and let me be right. So we’re gonna put this on hold.
Exactly. So I think maybe she is kind of blindsided because she is not reading the writing on the wall. And literally everyone else in the house is like, what about
like, she came over to complain. And Danielle said, I’m going to excuse myself from this conversation. I thought that was perfection.
Yeah. And Kyle is talking to Carl about it. Jesse is saying what he said, Gabby, who’s supposedly one of Lindsay’s best friends on camera is like, whoa, like feels like this is not a good thing for people who are engaged to be fighting like this. And definitely not to be calling out someone’s sobriety. Amanda is kind of like, she I mean, she’s definitely there. And so like, I guess, you know, that’s why Lindsey, you know, is still she’s still claiming white standard, but maybe she kind of was because she just can’t see her own way out of her own. But, you know, like, it’s just her own. It’s her her way or the highway, her point of view or nothing.
Yeah, a part of me thinks that it could go back to her abandonment issues with her mother, her personality trait, it seems that in the beginning of their relationship, she controlled everything, even with him working for Loverboy. And this summer, he came into it, like, more secure and not drinking and using the substances he noted on Watch What Happens Live, he said, I am clean from alcohol and cocaine. Those are my vices. So he’s secure and that there’s new guys in the house. There’s new energy in the house. He’s got replaced with Kyle. And pretty much everybody and he’s wanting to enjoy the summer and have some fun and she’s kind of like, no, no, no turtle get back in your shell.
Well, so we had we had an email, we had some tea this week. So wanted to share that subject is important details. And then it says okay, so I know you posted similar when they split but want to make this clear. The plan was to postpone the wedding. He had cameras because he had spent all summer having her manipulate every conversation. She did not want to postpone and that is when he called it off. Basically it was marry me now or never. It was a wedding she wanted not Carl, if she wanted him she would have been willing to work on the relationship and postpone the wedding. Don’t you think? And Nima
so What I just said prior to reading the email was, Is this who she is? Does she have to control the situation? And that self sabotage, right? Or is there a part of her that decided she wanted out and said, let me get my Ariana moment. Because every episode, it’s more of her, seemingly like, disgusted by him, like making her skin crawl. Like she says things. Like she said, they were all out to dinner. And they said, Oh, Cara, let’s hear the bark. Like, again, he’s a part of the group. He’s joking with everyone. And sidenote, she is too. So it’s not like she’s completely left out. And that’s the reason, right? It’s like a good vibe at dinner. And she goes, Oh, don’t I’ll give him the ring back. Yeah. I mean, that’s a fringe fringe length woman. And they’re not that there’s a way to make that funny. But there was no like, just kidding me. Like, what? Like, he just hung there. And he you saw he was very uncomfortable. So I think, honestly, she really wasn’t that into it. At the point we were at in the summer, maybe at the beginning. She was I think she loved the attention, because they were everywhere, right? I think she wanted that TV wedding. She wanted all the fan for fanfare. But maybe at some point, she thought even subconsciously like I can spin this I can still get the attention without having to marry him. Because she just doesn’t seem I mean, are you watching a woman who wants to get married to him? I mean, she wants to be married. But to him? She’s
not like, you don’t see the lovey dovey. You don’t you don’t see her. Like, you don’t see her standing up for him. Not that there’s anything to stand up for him for you don’t see them working as a unit. They’re just fighting. Right? Yeah, exactly. That’s so I don’t think she can see her own way out of her own aihole Yeah, I just don’t and I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know if she ever will. Like, I got to like, give her shell props. Because I agree with her that I like a great TV personality. But and Lindsey is a great TV personality. But I I don’t I don’t think there’s ever any kind of productive argument ever. With her. It’s I don’t I don’t think she has ever said the words. I’m sorry. First, you know, and I or at all, or at all? Yeah. So that conversation they had on the dock where
he was trying to explain his side and she just couldn’t let him have that moment. And, you know, again, I am not a fan of I don’t think calls like exciting on television, but I don’t think he’s as mean terrible person who’s behind the scenes like cursing her out and getting her going. And then we only see that I just I’m not buying it. I think he’s very rational with her. I have to say though, I don’t see a romantic love on either side is
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like I think that Lindsay when things were good gave him a level of comfort. I think he trusts her because he knows she’s smart and she’ll make good decisions for their Life. I think he loved her as a person. Certainly she’s beautiful. But I don’t see
romance from either side. Yeah,
there’s a level of convenience to where it like they both understand what it’s like to be in their particular fishbowl.
Yes, it’s almost like it was a partnership. It’s like a partnership that would work for both of them. And like you never smile and Amanda, like, they fight and They bicker on the whatever. But then they have those tender moments where you can see she really loves him, and he really loves her, I have never seen that glimpse into their relationship. And
he was just gonna say that like, and you still see him be like, Oh, you’re so hot Amanda or like, smack her on the ass. And like, you just don’t see any of the like, playfulness. Or they’ll you know, when two people are in love, they can’t keep their hands off each other for that long, you know, and you just don’t, you don’t see it with them.
Or like the girl and especially on her end, there’s no concern for him like, it’s okay to be mad at your significant other and if you’re drunk to be mad at them, and maybe in front of your friends, like yell about them. But then the next day to like, like he at least wanted to speak with her and wanted to talk it out. Like she didn’t care about it. Like there was no concern for him. It was only about how he was going to make it up to her.
Exactly. And about her pushing her side of the argument to everyone else there. Who didn’t really want to hear it. Exactly. I think even Kyle Calder said they didn’t he say like, yes, you’ve been irrational in the past or something like that. Anyway, it was okay, so Vanderpump last night. Wanted to chat about that, because we actually had some really good, some really good tea that came out after the Vanderpump reunion filming so we got some exclusive scoop on what actually happened. And it said from a source I heard the Vanderpump Rules reunion was boring as fuck till end. The end. And then Ariana went off on Lala verbal blowout friendship over and Tom and Ariana. Of course when added obviously. But it was a full on war of words between Ariana and Lola.
I mean, I believe it and then today apparently I haven’t listened to it. But a couple followers told me that La La alluded to a very intense situation. So I believe it. My initial thought was weird to Sheena fall on that because what we’re currently watching is sort of Sheena and Lala being on the same page about Ariana. But again, we don’t really see how it plays out. And we don’t know what we haven’t seen yet that and I think I think it happened there. Like I think obviously because we saw Arianna Watch What Happens Live before they filmed the reunion. Yeah, and she was she said like she didn’t like the things they were saying. But she loved them both. And they were friends and data. So it may have been halala spoke to Ariana once they sat down at that reunion and Ariana was like, You know what all season like that kind of thing.
I think. Well, first of all, I think Sheena is probably walking a tightrope because you know she and Lala are very close walleyes her next door neighbor in Palm Springs where they both spend a lot of time Sheena and Ariana had been historically very close as she says she was like, Ariana was her person. So I would imagine that she knows probably trying to be as neutral as possible, but I think she’s kind of pointing out something that we’re all seeing happen on this season, which is that she and Ariana are have grown apart a little bit because and I wouldn’t say it’s because but we see Kate Ariana and Katy getting much closer and those two have really become right and I and like, you know, I think you and I can speak from just sometimes when your lifestyle changes your friends do a little bit too you spent
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and your when you have a baby, you have a kid. And some you know some of your friends who don’t like it’s it doesn’t change your friendship, but it changes how you spend your time. And what time you have free it becomes different than
just looking at the four of them. Right? Right. So I’m Lila. I’m gonna call Sheena. Our daughters are the same age we can go to the park and chill and take them for ice cream. Right? I’m Katie. I’m gonna call Ariana because we’re both child free. And we’re, well Ariana has a boyfriend but you know, we we don’t. We’re more free to fly. And so we’re gonna go to brunch and have a cocktail. And it doesn’t mean that we’re not Ohioans, right. It’s different lifestyles, exactly what you say. So you don’t have to get hold of any natural I mean for her. Yeah. And every person in the world has gone through that. So write a write with sheet with Sheena. It’s different because I think what Ariana learned this season, and I think we see it come to a head at the reunion is that Sheena and Lala are loyal to the show. It is their career. And Ariana. I think on some level understood it. Like even her conversation and last night’s episode with Sheena. Like she understood it, she gets it you gotta hustle you have to whatever but oh, I don’t think I put that email in here. And that’s an important email because we got an email. So we’re watching what we’re watching. What we saw last night was Sheena like saying the Sandow like you have to apologize to Katie and you have to enter like on some level. She’s saying to everybody behind the scenes. We have to film with him, guys. People want to see him. He’s that Sandoval. Right. Right. And I think that Katie and Ariana, like at Dewey but obviously James gets it. Right. Yeah. Obviously, like, get it from Sheena’s perspective. Obviously Lila gets it because let’s not forget Lala doesn’t like Tom Sandoval, but she on some level recognizes the need. Yeah, we got the email that says good is gold husband. I go to the gym when the husband of a Bravo celebrity overheard him saying that his wife asked him to become friends with someone on the outskirts of the group so he could be promoted to a full time cast member and make more money. This is brutal knowing that the person on the outskirts heard this Bravo celebrities best friend Ariana, and this couple Brock and Sheena also profited off the breakup they created a plan to bring him back into the group for selfish reasons. And I mean that makes so much sense because the guys dinner all these things they’re doing they need Brock
so who got promo I don’t get though like the poor. I haven’t Ross remember Brock didn’t wasn’t at the reunion he was at the reunion guys is right. Yeah. And now he’s full time promoted. Yes. And you could get that full picture. Connie. Got it. I thought it was like that saying that Sandoval was getting like no, I don’t think he needed to be Oh, I see. That makes sense. Like
Brock put on a little show for a second episode. Like, bro, you have to understand. I’m gonna do my own Schwarzenegger accent. And he’s like, You have to understand like, you messed up in this group, but like, really? Then they’re at a steakhouse. Even James, I mean, they’re just moving it forward, because ultimately, Ariana is the only one that really got cheated on. And Katie is the only one with strong convictions.
Yeah, Katie. Yeah. I and also she always
hated Sandoval. It’s not like this is somebody like she had an affinity for that made a mistake. Like she’s always known who he was. Absolutely.
What did you think of the show last night? The new show might know that. Well, I want to talk about that zero, just like overall like that pool part, that cringy pool party. That at the end of all had,
I feel like it feels like we’re watching a show trying to fit Sandoval in and it’s Rain. Yeah, yeah, what? And a follower sent this today so I thought it was interesting for me to pose to you. They said, Did you get the vibe that Billy was looking to have a threesome with Sandoval and her girlfriend T She said she’s cool and then asked if someone else was coming over. Like an after hours situation with all of the rumors he and Billy hooked up made me stop and question that scene
like she was angling for a threesome? Yes. Oh, Em Gee. Now that you say that I can’t unsee it. It didn’t. It didn’t. I didn’t pick up on it. But I think I think you might be you
all to be fair. It’s not me. It is a cocktail or okay. I mean, I did think it was a weird exchange, but I really didn’t think too much into it. I
don’t think so. A lot of times that we see anybody else like they’re like asking questions so that they can maybe be on camera. You know, they’re like, prompting Tom to talk about his feelings and whatever. I know. We’re running out of time, but the valley. I got it. Oh, good. It was so good. I’m really excited. I’m really
excited. A mess. I mean,
the way they introduced Jax was amazing. He’s so annoying. But at the same time, he’s such great TV. It’s like someone let him out of a cage. I need he just from the second he walked on. He just was like
our Yeah, I mean with Kristin. Han, like being all over her new boyfriend and being like rude to hum and then going tidy to anybody who will listen about her wanting to have a baby. I just like Samuel Jackson. He has a tendency to harp on stuff. So it definitely didn’t seem that shocking to me. But yeah, now they have babies at houses in the valley. But they’re these people are the same people we met we known and may or may not love.
Okay, this is very interesting. Another thing a cocktail or told me today, they said, first of all, I found him talking about Kristen having a baby. So off putting, but that’s Jax. Right? Like, you’re not a woman? You don’t know what you’re talking about? Study your business, quite frankly. Yeah. But somebody said after watching the valley, the only takeaway is that Jax and Kristen are endgame. I didn’t see that. I don’t
think so. No, I think he just feels like he has the permission to just jump into her life because he had has, you know, like, that’s how the Vanderpump rule rules group just functions.
I mean, it so good. And then of course, we we had posted that Michelle and Jesse, Michelle and Jesse we had heard they split and we had exclusively posted that. One of our cocktail errs is friends with a guy she’s dating and she’s been dating him for a few months. And according to this person, she left Jessie for this guy about I don’t know six hours after he posted it was the same day they announced they split ahead of the season. So I have to assume saying like Jax and Brittany. They knew it was getting out so they kind of had to say it. Not surprised watching the first episode. They kind of hate each
other. Yeah, yeah. And he joked about like how he hasn’t really been the greatest dad for the first couple years of my night. It’s just really not a good luck for you,
dude. It also wasn’t a good luck when he pinched Kristen’s nipple or cold Lala his mistress several times. Oh,
totally agree. Saturday random. Yeah. But I’m so excited for the show. It’s yeah, I think it’s gonna be so good. I gotta say, I haven’t been this excited about a new Bravo show, since I didn’t click the Roni reboot and before that night, in a long time, so
I liked the guide of Joe too, because he’s very loved Nacho Jason
Boyer. Yeah, level Heidi Anna,
who’s pregnant. His wife spicy, so I liked them. Ice. Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe my favorite. Yeah, I like her. I also like the one with the twins and the two year old. The husband’s laying it on a little thick. It made sense when he said he was an actor, because he’s trying a little hard, but I don’t hate it. I think he could settle into being a good reality personality.
I agree. And oh my god, like everybody gives him a little bit of a break because the man’s probably had, I think you have something to say somebody said this. Like he’s had no sleep. He has three children. They both have three children under the age of two. And like that is mean that is a goat rodeo.
Well, and of course Jax was like he says it every five minutes. Well, you talk about your kid every five minutes and there’s one of them he has three But yeah,
I mean that is your light that is your your on 24 hour call. Yeah, when you’re having when you have that many small children so I can only and two of them are twins. I mean my god, like, not split Yeah, I’m excited. I think it’s gonna be fun. curious to hear what all the cocktails think we’ll definitely we opened a channel on Discord for everybody to talk about. So looking forward to talking to that about that more as it as it unfolds.
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