This is our 50th episode of Cocktails and Gossip! A huge thank you to our listeners and community. As a thank you, we have an announcement to make about the future of the podcast…We discuss a few friendship fallouts. Which housewife in Miami is threatening not to film with another? RHONJ breaks the “kids are off limits” rule…and another week, another few VPR #Scandoval updates for you…

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Transcript: Cocktails and Gossip Episode 50

B 0:00
We don’t know that Lindsey didn’t reach out to her in that way, because a good friend wouldn’t bring it up on camera. Now, my opinion would be different. If Lindsay sat there and said either to her or behind her back, she’s projecting on me. Because Robert is never around that they’re always fighting and all of stuff that Danielle has not shared, right, that we know what’s happening. We know what’s happening. We broke up

B 0:32
Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tape. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds, and the hottest tea from And as always, is all alleged and just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I am B

Amanda 0:51
And I’m Amanda, let’s get into this week’s tea.

B 0:59
What’s up cocktailers And Amanda, I just noticed I never say hello to you.

Amanda 1:06
Because we’re always talking right before this and catch up on stuff that’s been going on. Yes, I am coming back off of a really quick girls trip that was very much needed. Had a lot of just great time to just you know, it is with kids. It’s like even if you’re spending like have friends over or whatever it looks like you feel like you can’t have a full conversation. Or if there’s like a really long story, it’s like, you can never hear the whole long story. So it was just so nice to be able to have that time. And to come back to I wanted to share the fact that something that B and I are really excited to share that this is our 50th episode. It is I can’t believe it.

B 1:53
I can’t because I remember when we started, we were like we’ll do a couple and see how we like it. Yeah, but and also, I don’t think we’ve said it on here. What did we say it on here? Do we only say it on cocktail. But we are very excited to announce that we have found an editor who is able to get us next day turnaround, which is also you know, listen, everything costs money, and it is much more expensive. And because of cocktail party, we are able to afford it. And we know that you guys want that pod the next day, and we’re gonna do that for you. So we will be changing. I believe it’s April 29.

Amanda 2:31
Yeah, so we’ll start publishing the pod on Saturdays now, which, you know, I don’t know if you guys remember but a little while ago be put out a poll about like, what day and everything. So part of it is you don’t Saturday is not as typical of a podcast release day. But part of it is just because again, we are still both the same be and Amanda that like from a year ago, where we are, you know, busy moms with kids. And so usually Thursdays or Fridays are the days that we can record. So that is we’ll continue to do that and then have the pod for cocktail party out immediately and then have the pod for everyone else that is not a member out on Saturdays.

B 3:21
So But wait, here’s the good thing about that, Amanda, because I was like weighing it in my head. But what a follower said to me was B, it makes a lot of sense. The commuters might be annoyed and listen, you could still listen on Monday. But if I’m recording on Thursday evening, it’s everything from the whole week that has been on television and a lot of the tea that has come in. Whereas if we were to do Monday or Tuesday, we’re behind whether we put it out the next day or not. Right. So like yes, our hot tea may come in during the weekend. But a lot of our hot tea correlates with what we’re watching currently. So it really makes sense to do Saturday. And I know myself, Saturday mornings are usually me up and getting a workout in or getting laundry done or getting stuff done before I have to do the kids activities and sports and all that good stuff. So I often push my pods off till Saturday morning because I like to have it to entertain me while I do that. So yeah, there’s that. Yeah. And we’ll be there Monday morning for the commute. We’re going to try Saturday, everything. And listen, we take feedback. That’s something that I appreciate the constructive criticism. Because yeah, we want to do better. I mean, we want to have a good product and we want you guys to like it. There’s no point in doing this. If everyone’s like, you suck.

Amanda 4:44
Yeah. And we’ve been hearing for a while, like, Hey, we love what you guys are talking about. But sometimes it’s almost a week later once it actually gets out and B and I have been very conscientious about that and really working to figure out a way to fix it. And so we’re gonna try it. And, you know, that’s the other thing too is like, we’ll we’ll keep trying things to continue to make things better. So we might change the day again, who knows. But that right now is the plan to get things out as quickly as we possibly can. Yes. So, okay, let’s start I think with Southern charm. So I know that the season is coming up. There’s been a lot of talk about, you know, I don’t want to go as far as to say a scan of all situation, but a definite love triangle, hooking up with an axe kind of situation with Taylor, and Austin, Austin being chefs good friend.

B 5:47
You know, I’m looking forward to Shep’s reaction, honestly, because I already know that Olivia and Taylor had this big fallout. So with sharp I predict him playing it off as if it isn’t a big deal. We know him and Austin are not beefing. They’ve been hanging out. And again, it goes back to like the men always get out easier than the women. It irritates me. Here. We know that Taylor and Olivia are not following each other on social. I’ve heard there’s a lot of drama this season centered around them. Taylor apparently is really upset with Olivia because she feels like she made too big a deal out of it. And made her the bad guy. And here we have the man seemingly fine now do I think Shep is butthurt Yeah. And you know, I’m gonna say it Amanda, I find Austin more attractive than Shep.

Amanda 6:45
see that coming? I don’t even know how to react.

B 6:47
I want to know I want to know how many cocktail hours we’re gonna send him a message saying oh my god problem cocktail says she finds you attractive.

Amanda 6:56
She has a crush idea.

B 7:02
If there are any crush going on, everybody knows Craig would be my pick. So let’s not even go there. But I do find Austin more attractive than I don’t find Shep attractive. And not because he’s old because I mean, hey, I’m not young either. And I’m joking about him being old guys. He’s closer. I think we’ll know how old Austin and Craig are 35 and Shep is

Amanda 7:22
what 44 business 40s Yeah, so

B 7:25
I’m like I could go either way really age wise.

Amanda 7:31
This is to do such as Jordan I could I really feel so good on my husband. Today. Not have gotten I’m not against this one.

B 7:42
My imaginary Charleston dating life wasn’t on your bingo card.

Amanda 7:47
You say Austin is attractive.

B 7:50
Okay, all jokes aside, I’m sure either way I’m drinking Poland spring. I’m not sponsored by them. But I do have a liquid IV in it because I do have a little headache. Little bit too much wine last night. Listen, if I were imaginarily Dating in Charleston, I would definitely go younger. I mean, I would. I would definitely be in the like 30s mid 30s Pool than the 40s pool because like, I’m not getting remarried. If it doesn’t work out with my husband after all these years. I’m done with marriage shell.

Amanda 8:21
Yeah, that’s yeah. Anyway, I always found sharp to be attractive. But I think as an is not an age thing. It’s like almost as I’ve seen more of them I just kind of hit some of the like it’s almost such a cocky and like I always thought his intelligence. The fact that he was a reader was kind of sexy. But I don’t know. He’s just I don’t know, if he’s just getting kind of cranky, or I don’t know. I don’t know what I

B 8:52
think you know what I think it is. And I think that watching Craig grow up has really highlighted it. It’s he’s aging but he’s not maturing. Yeah. Yeah. You know where to put it. And I think that’s making him less attractive because certainly in the early seasons, he was cute and whatever. And he was How long has the show been on would you say 10 years? 12 years?

Amanda 9:15
10 I think at least Yeah, so yeah,

B 9:19
yeah, we’ve established that neither of us are dating shop anytime soon in our heads or otherwise.

Amanda 9:26
Oh my god, but you’re saying there’s a chance for Austin? No, no, no. Okay, I’m just kidding. Uh, Mary

B 9:33
Mary. Screw kill situation I would marry Craig I’m not forget it. I’m changing this.

Amanda 9:41
Yeah, don’t ever go there. Just I feel like that game always gets everybody into trouble. Yeah, okay. So also southern charm. There’s a couple other of fallouts happening friendship wise, there’s let’s start with the Naomi A one first because we have talked about that on episodes 24 and 25 of the podcast. So I think it was in Episode 24, we did a full deep dive of the lawsuit against Naomi, as filed by her ex business partner, Ginni. And then in 25, Naomi filed a counter suit where, I mean, it sounds like there was just a lot of toxicity happening in general. But I definitely go back and listen, if you guys didn’t hear, because there’s a lot of detail. This was one that really interested me. So I really dove deep into, you know, and what was going on with the lawsuit. And as of back then we had said, you know, there was no court date, but that the case was going to go into ADR, which is stands for alternative dispute resolution. And in this case, they’re going to mediation. And it looks like the mediation is or has happened around now. But there has not been any kind of resolution or update filed to the case, I just checked on that yesterday, which means that it’s either still in progress, or, you know, their teams are finalizing some stuff, and they haven’t filed anything, but there’s a good chance, we might never know how things end up. Because if they’re going to mediation, that means both sides are trying to settle it out. Before they have to go to trial, which is very expensive, which is interesting, given the email that we got, we got some intel coming in from Charleston. So the email said, so blank was in my circle of peripheral friends in Charleston, but I still have friends from Charleston who see her, and to still give me the tea, like all the shit going down, but between her and her ex BFF business partner, her former BFF business partner, Ginni will say it started or I guess it’s the same Ginny got leftover, but she doesn’t really have a leg to stand on legally. Because it’s not just it’s not going to hold up in court and has way more money. There are texts and emails proving that GE isn’t lying, but no legally binding contracts. I think that’s a problem. And I think that’s, I mean, from my memory of what we discussed going back through the case, that’s exactly what it said. It said, like they said, Were business partners that were 50, you know, but there were no there was no actual contract signed. It says also then G had to move in with her parents and we’ll just say really far outside of Charleston, because she couldn’t afford living in Charleston and and all the legal fees and has blackballed her from getting a fashion job and Charlson, which again, we have heard, because this was actually alleged in Jenny’s Jenny’s claims against Naomi that Naomi had called other employers and said, Don’t hire her.

B 13:22
I mean, clearly, this is gossipy. And it could be one sided, right? It could be somebody who’s friends with Ginny and doesn’t like Naomi. But if it’s true, it’s very cold hearted. The reality is that, should Ginni have got a legal contract? Yes, of course, Amanda. And I say that time and time again, we said it with pizza gate, we’ve said it with so many situations. However, if somebody is your friend, to take advantage of them in a way where you know, they’re owed, like, I could see Naomi being like I put more money in, it’s more mine. But you should offer her some sort of settlement without getting sued like something could have been mediated prior to a lawsuit. But you know, people overwhelmingly when I shared this email said that they weren’t surprised because Naomi has always seemed cold. And she beat it off the show so quick. I mean, she didn’t have a good showing. I have to stop saying I mean, when we have to. So Amanda, and I listened to the episode after we record before we publish it. And I noticed I say, I mean, like every five minutes, so I have to stop saying that. Anyway.

Amanda 14:34
All right. I don’t notice it that much. And I always listen, I think I think we’re our own selves. Hardest critics right?

B 14:41
To the review. She always says I mean, sure, she didn’t have a great Charlotte, okay. In last season, but I don’t even think it’s that I think the lawsuit lawsuit was the main reason. And I say that because as a business owner in Charleston, we know it’s a benefit. Look at level look at Craig, we know it’s a benefit to be on the show. So like you were willing to come back and show your whole class even though you kind of badmouth the show, and for you to not come back now, it’s because you know, this is going to come up. She did have that very wealthy boyfriend, who may influence her decision not to come back. I have no idea if they’re still together. I was getting a lot of stuff on them. And I haven’t recently, but I did. And this is a little tidbit for our southern charm folks. Random showed up in my DMs, a message, a couple messages from followers. So her ex Motul, who cheated on her, they moved to New York City a couple of weeks into their move, she went back home to like finish packing up, she opens his labs laptop, I’ll ask and of all. And on the laptop, she finds that he was having an affair with his ex. The cheating was going on for like over a year. So apparently, his picture was circulating social media. And it was posted in a Facebook group. So there’s some Facebook group, cocktail errs, maybe you heard of it, I haven’t I’m not in the dating world. That essentially if you’re dating somebody, or you’re talking to somebody may be on like, you know, one of these apps or something, and you suspect that they have like a wife or a long term girlfriend or something. You post them and it’s called something like, Is anyone else dating this guy or something like that? Yeah. And he was posted on there.

Amanda 16:32
So this is reselling. Like this? Oh, gosh. So bravo, man. I

B 16:37
mean, okay, he’s a borderline Bravo man, it has always annoyed me that he had the blue check. This is before you could buy the blue check. always annoyed me here, the blue check, pause. He didn’t deserve it. He was only a public figure because of his girlfriend who he then cheated on, he should lose that blue check, or they should charge him for it. But Bravo men do better. Sidenote, the reason I did not buy a blue check, which I totally would buy it. Because if it gives me a bad line to customer service at Instagram, I’m here for it. We all know I need service because I get reported. But you need to put your real name and your real picture, which is why I got denied. So I’m hoping that they do come up with something for content creators. I feel like they will at some point. Yeah. Because there’s a lot of people like me who, you know, don’t want to show their right. I wouldn’t want to, I don’t know, right. And

Amanda 17:24
no one ever liked about that material guy is that time and they’re eating. They’re like at a coffee shop. And he gave her a really hard time for order. I got brownie or something. And I was like, you know, Ill that just always really throws I don’t like that. I don’t like that at all. He has a lot of somebody eats

B 17:44
he was rude to her about a lot of different things. I always was like, alarmed by it. Because she’s not a pushover. Right. So it surprised me that she was attracted to somebody who told her what to do. And then like, put her down. And we’re so sure he was very judgmental of her. And he was like, trying to, like mold her into what he felt was like, how his girlfriend should be. Yeah,

Amanda 18:13
I feel like she Yeah, she told herself some story like He’s a real man. And so I really need to listen to his opinion. And like, I just don’t think that. Yeah, I just I just don’t think he’s a really good guy. And

B 18:27
sad, because we know that when she broke up with Craig, a big issue in their relationship was she felt like he wasn’t ambitious enough, which, you know, how the tables have turned. And I think that she saw this guy. And so because he was successful, and a doctor, you know, he was in medical school and a doctor. She allowed that to cloud her judgment to the point where she’s like, well, he’s gotta be right, because he’s a doctor.

Amanda 18:55
Right? Right. And he’s like this. Yes, I totally agree. Okay, well, the other thing that we have been hearing about and kind of talking about online is Madison. She had opened a salon I think it was right, right during our right after COVID with a good friend and we get a lot of questions about it. So we got this email that said, from Southern not so charming email those salon A friend of a friend is one of a few new hair stylists who are moving into may even the salon that Madison and her friend opened, they are both completely out of the business and sold it after a falling we asked if they knew what it was, but the new stylists only said it was a big fight. And it was no coming back. Seems like it must have been huge since the business barely had opened and started running before it was closed.

B 19:55
Hmm. Well, we know there was a fallout because the friend who’s name escapes me right now. It was like, some common kind of name like Britney or something like that. She wasn’t at Madison’s wedding, which they were super tight. She was supposed to do the makeup and hair and she wasn’t there. So, you know, Madison might not need to work as a stylist anymore because she’s on a reality show. She’s a very successful influencer. She’s got partnerships, but her friend would still need to. So I imagine that whatever happens there, the friend is now working at another salon. So Charleston peeps, were looking for more info on the front end and more of the details. You know, the speculation is that Madison screwed her over. And I guess people assume that because you assume that Madison had more money to put down? I mean, that would be the assumption. But we don’t know if that’s true. Or speculation.

Amanda 20:51
Yeah, we definitely. And I don’t think there’s been any kind of real anything sent to us saying what really happened and was Madison, you know, who knows? And you guys it does happen a lot business partners fall out and move on. So I hope they both end up doing okay, I know that there’s so much money and so much star power going into Charleston I’m sure there’s plenty of celebrity clients to work on and and everything. Probably plenty for everybody. Summer House. So let’s chat about this last. Let’s let’s talk about Danielle and Lindsey and this last episode.

B 21:36
Well, you guys know, I went into this saying I’m going to wait and see. But honestly in like my heart of hearts, I really figured I would side more with Danielle. And I pictured Lindsey was icing her out and maybe doing something to cause this but that is not what we’re seeing. You know, Lindsay and Carl from my estimation unless there is something that is not being spoken about. have not done one thing for Danielle to be having these weird outbursts and reactions. Yes, it’s projection. But what I don’t think Lindsay said like I don’t think Lindsay said anything wrong at the housewarming. We’ve discussed on our pod intel that we’ve received about Danielle and Roberts relationship. We’ve discussed it a few times the explosive fights. I even had an email sent to me from not the season we’re watching the previous season where we only saw them I think fight once but somebody said like they were always fighting and production gave her a good edit and stuff. Rumors he was a cheater. You don’t see Lindsay say anything negative about Danielle’s relationship other than what Danielle has shared herself, which is being with a chef is hard because of the hours. So I am sure that Lindsay is thinking this is where Danielle’s reaction come from. But a good friend wouldn’t say that on television, even to this point. Lindsey has not said it. She hasn’t said it on Watch What Happens Live. So Lindy is still being a good friend to her. In my opinion. Danielle is wrong. I think Lindsey is owed an apology. You know, we are looking at a 35 year old woman. And I believe Carl is the same age in their mid 30s. They have been friends for a number of years. Why would they have to wait so long to get engaged?

Amanda 23:31
Yeah, I am 100% on the same page with that, and I don’t think it’s fair. That everyone I mean, they’ve been together a year at that point, like almost a year. I don’t think it’s that crazy. And they known each other and been such good friends and been so close. Like none of that seems odd to me whatsoever. So I completely agree with you. They’re both

B 23:55
for the next phase of their life they’ve been partying in the Hamptons for 10 years they did it all they want to live in a home together and get married and have children and these are all natural things that some not all some people want to do they want to do it. And also Amanda everyone was saying the relationship seemed fake. I think the relationship seems very genuine very supportive, very healthy.

Amanda 24:19
I don’t pick up on any fitness at all and I never did because I was like they really are really good friends and have been there for each other and especially you know talking about Karl’s brother who died and you know Lindsey I felt the way that she kind of handled it and just you know, just said hey, by the way, don’t forget that this today is the day to sort of remind people to be a little sensitive around him and then of course his mom who comes to the party like I think the whole Lindsey and curl thing with I don’t think they’re moving too fast. And I think that’s that’s just silly. I do feel a little like Lindsey is sort Like, I feel like she was a little brushing Danielle off a little I felt like she did it at the end of the party. At the end of the last episode beginning of the first one, she was like, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, instead of instead of saying like, I see what you’re saying, I am sorry. However, I think that Danielle is lashing out as well. So how about

B 25:25
this? Amanda, I hear what you’re saying. But how about this?

Amanda 25:28
How about?

B 25:29
Lindsay knows Danielle does not want to talk about her relationship issues on camera. So there’s not really a Well, I’m just hypothetically, there’s not really a way to tie that up with a bow on camera. But how about, there’s a world where Lindsey speaks to Danielle privately and says, Listen, I know that Robert isn’t around a lot. And like is that bothering you? And maybe that is, and maybe Danielle is like in a phase where and again, a natural reaction. Your friend is having a world when love affair and about to get engaged and living in a beautiful apartment. And your relationship isn’t doing well. And maybe she doesn’t want to talk about it with Lindsay, which is fair. But we don’t know that Lindsay didn’t reach out to her in that way, because a good friend wouldn’t bring it up on camera. Now, my opinion wouldn’t be different. If Lindsay sat there and said either to her or behind her back. She’s projecting on me. Because Robert is never around. And they’re always fighting and all of stuff that Danielle has not shared, right, that we know what’s happening. We know what was happening. They broke up. So she wanted to get back together. He didn’t, you know, so well. And

Amanda 26:39
Danielle wanted to buy a place. And he’s like, I don’t want to and like Yeah, I think this is a great point that you bring up that there is it’s not just projecting but there’s some I don’t wanna say jealousy, but just some like, it’s hard. It’s probably hard on Danielle, when she’s seeing her relationship, quality go down, and then she’s seeing Lindsay And Carl’s go up that probably could feel extra hard for her.

B 27:07
And I think she’s having trouble communicating. Because I do think she’s happy for that. I think her idea is like, but why do you gotta get engaged so quick. And I do think that peace is projection because she sees herself. I’ve been with him three years, and there’s no talk and they’re together eight months. And, you know, we don’t know if she was going to him and saying, and look, they’re getting engaged, and I want to be engaged. And maybe that’s part of their breakup. We don’t know. Yeah, something tells me that probably. I think the reunion. Danielle, if she doubles down the friendships over because if she’s watching this, her screaming into the pillow, which we see upcoming is so bizarre. And I’m watching what happens live. Carl was like it was really weird. It was a really weird exchange. Like I wanted to go into it. And she’s screaming into a pillow and it gets worse. And he said, I hope they really show the conversation in its entirety because the stuff she says is weird. And it really Yeah, it was not about me and Lindsey it was her own stuff.

Amanda 28:14
Right. Right. Exactly. And I think it’s also because

B 28:17
we expecting Yael to be level headed. And she’s always been the voice of reason. I think it’s doubly shocking. It’s like, if it were Lindsay be like you know what I mean? Yeah. But speaking of summerhouse getting away from the negativity. I love Sam, Amanda.

Amanda 28:39
I know this was her for sure. A breakout episode. I was cracking up when she was like I love to be ignored. Yes.

B 28:47
And then I’m Watch What Happens Live. I love her inquiry together. I you know, we’ve been saying to each other, every pod that we talked about summer house, where do they go from here? Well, I think we found the future of summer house, whether Cory and Sam work out or not, which I hope they do. I see them as being the new Amanda and Kyle, if you will, you know she’s a little bit more spunky than Amanda. And maybe he maybe he’s not as outlandish is Kyle. So, you know, Paige’s Craig’s girlfriend, which gives her an N, and whether you know, she’s back in the house, Sam gets along with everybody. So she’s the perfect person to center it around because as things stand now, which we know it’ll change because she’ll start beefing next season, because they all do. Lindsay could even have like a reduced role. If they didn’t stay there all the time. Maybe her and Cole would come out a few weekends if she chose to do that. Or she’s very friendly with Sam, any of the girls could come out. Certainly we could find some guys that Cory is friends with I don’t care if they’re from where’s he from? Not Charleston, but Charlotte, Charlotte. I suppose Kyle could stay in the house but maybe he would go a different direction. I don’t know. I just Yeah, I think it would be a wild Summer I think that, you know, they just got serious she said on Watch What Happens Live that not serious, but they just said they’re in a monogamous relationship. So now a couple months into it, you’re doing a share house together in the Hamptons, drama right there. Yeah, the ebbs and the flows and the working relationship out in a environment where people are partying and single.

Amanda 30:21
Do we know what Cory does for like for a living outside of the show, obviously,

B 30:27
does he own gyms, I want to say he’s a trainer or he owns gyms or something. I’m

Amanda 30:32
just curious if there’s a reason that you know, like that he wouldn’t be able to move to New York like Sierra del, because Sierra lived in Atlanta to remember and then she made the move. So, you know, I agree with you. I’m really liking them. And that was a really fun little vignette to see them especially like making out in the pool. Yes, it was fine.

B 30:56
He sat on Watch What Happens Live that he does plan on he’s always wanted to live to New York. And it is a plan but not like right now. Like, you know, in the future. And then Paige is like, awesome. And now Craig can just move to New York

Amanda 31:13
as well love it. And then I think the reunion is filming today, right?

B 31:18
No jerseys filming today.

Amanda 31:20
Oh, Jersey as your Oh, that’s right. i That’s why I saw March. I saw merge on that. Okay, God,

B 31:26
we’re gonna get to Jersey guys. Don’t you worry. No, but it’s filming soon. I mean, this reunion, you know, nothing can really rival the Vanderpump reunion. But Lindsey and Danielle showdown will be good. The other women I predict they’re gonna stay mostly out of it. Because, you know, they don’t like Lindsey. But they can’t really ride for Danielle, when all of us, you know, again, back to this set of people being very social media savvy. They know the pulse of the audience, the pulse of the audience is not going to stand for them backing Danielle when she clearly is in the wrong I mean, the vast majority agrees with her being in the wrong. The only way that happens is if Lindsey hits below the belt and says yeah, but Robert was a cheater and all that kind of stuff. Then obviously they’ll say but Danielle, I don’t see Lindsay doing that. I think Lindsay is smart enough to know we’re on her side. Why would she spoil that? Lindsay? If you’re listening ride this wave, babe. But yeah, I mean, she owes her an apology. If Danielle comes to her senses, she’s going to show up at that reunion and say listen, I did think it was fast. It wasn’t that I was unhappy for you guys. You guys now know that Robert and I are broken up. I was probably projecting a little bit. I didn’t really realize it at the time. And I hope that we can mend this. To which I’m sure Lindsay will say let’s mend it

Amanda 32:50
on your shed.

B 32:50
You know shit.

Amanda 32:52
Yeah, I completely agree. So Miami, they so we know that money soul and Alexa are starting their own podcasts called a portico board. I think it came out today. So I’ll be very interested to hear what they have to say. But they on two T’s and A pod came on and talked to Tamra and to Teddy, just about you know about the show and Mirasol said that she will never make up with Adriana and hold production that she won’t film with her. Teddy had a pretty strong reaction to that and said she hates when housewives cast the show or like try to self produce this out show by icing people out and that Marisol just needs to ignore her at events but not interfere with filming.

B 33:50
I’m with Teddy who by the way, we saw her filming with Beverly Hills this week, which we had posted that she would be and she is I’m here for a teddy comeback. i Everybody knows I am a flip flopper. I like them. I love them and annoying me. Teddy always annoyed me but I see her value. And I like her on her podcast. Mostly Marisol, whom I love. I love her. I always have I loved her mom. I think she’s great. She needs to chill. Adriana is also an OG. Her and Alexia think they were on the show. I think that they’re pretty pissed off because they expected when they asked her out initially she would just fade out. Instead. She’s very friendly with the newbies who are hugely popular. You have Dr. Nicole breakout star. You have Gertie who’s well received Julia for me is a little boring but she’s got Martina she’s she’s She’s not going anywhere. And they’re all friends so it’s becoming for me too much of a divided cast. I don’t want this jersey style alliances. Girls hash this out on camera. Peace. narky no one is saying you have to be best friends. But I think Adriana out because of the past and because of comments she made is not going to please the audience.

Amanda 35:13
Yeah, I think we all were really feeling that at their union. And just like, This is not fun for us to watch after a while. And again, Adriana has her own sitch sometimes to like with the awkward letter about my muscles, liver, you know, but it just, it gets uncomfortable. And it’s just you’re totally right. It’s just not that fun when there’s such a divide, like, figure it out so that we can keep all of you because, you know, Adriana has some some great moments too. And I think Marisol and Alexia are probably trying, they are probably doubling down a little too hard on the show being all about them, and they might live to regret it. So by the way, listen to you agreeing with Teddy again, I love it. Right? You know, I’ve always been a teddy fan. But guys like, again, this is going back to this. We brought this up a few times that we I think that’s one of the things that I like about you and I is that we are open and that we do change our minds about some of these people, and that we don’t just ride for one of the housewives and can never see a redeeming value of any you know, the ones that we don’t like, ever again, we are allowed to change our minds. And I think that makes us that makes us human. So that

B 36:39
meme that we’ve all seen that says normalize, changing your opinion when presented with new information. It’s one of the reasons that Teresa treestands irritate me so much. I’ll say it again, that obtuse way of thinking, I can admit when I’m wrong, I can admit when I’ve missed judged. Like I expected Lindsay to be wrong in the fight based on past behavior. I was wrong. I agree with Lindsey. I’m not going to because I’m not a Lindsey Stan. And I don’t mean that to say I don’t like Lindsey. But I’m just saying like, I’m not going to if Melissa were wrong in something. And I’m clearly a Melissa fan. And I’ve said it on the podcast when I have disagreed with her. I’m going to point out that I disagree with her. I have said many times just because I prefer her doesn’t mean that I think that she’s never done anything wrong. It takes two to tango, you don’t fight to this degree without having done missteps yourself. So you know,

Amanda 37:37
yeah, totally agree. And speaking of Yeah, seriously, I was just gonna say, and especially with Teresa, and Melissa, what did you think of that whole situation where I think it was Rachel who brought it up, but said, you know, are the kids are the kids friends? Are they talking? Are they still close?

B 37:55
You know, I think it’s interesting that even like the other side, because let’s face it, it’s teams on these shows. But you even saw like Jen and Danielle say, Oh, I don’t think Rachael was stirring the pot. She was certainly stirring the pot. I don’t think that question would have been asked if it weren’t stirring the pot, because everybody knows there’s beef in their family. So why if you have to ask if their kids are close, then the answer may not be what you want to hear.

Amanda 38:17
Yeah, I mean, I don’t know. I didn’t feel and she probably was honestly. But it would be a question I would have. If I were right, friends, you know that I would be curious of like, what is going on, but with it being such a charged environment, and with them all barely holding on by a string? It’s reality. And on this trap, right? And

B 38:39
somebody’s got to stir the pot. It’s a reality show. I’m just saying it was interesting that everyone was like she was it. Listen, as parents, Amanda, with children that play sports. We both have kids that play sports that are on travel teams. We know they become very competitive. You really do have to miss family functions because of games and tournaments and competitions. I myself have a situation this Sunday where I have plans to see cousins of mine and I’m having my husband stay home because my son is on two teams. And he can’t miss a game for this because I know there’s going to be a game coming up and he’s going to have to pick between soccer and basketball. We all know this. Yeah. So Teresa knows this, as all of her daughters have been, you know, have had to miss things. And I think it was very appropriate for Melissa to say Gabriella had to miss for Joey’s communion because it was apples to apples. It sucks to have to miss something and you already feel a gilt and it’s something I really didn’t get until recently when my kids were little I remember my cousin son would miss things. And in my head I would kind of be like he’s missing this for a basketball game. Like it would be like you know, and I get it. Now you get it. You’re all in Theresa knows this. She was blaming the Gorgas for the kids not being close at a minimum. She was blaming Jo and Melissa but I want to say these are kids who drive now. Antonia drives, Gia drives, I don’t know if Melania drives but they aren’t happy Maybe they have cell phones. If they wanted to maintain a relationship, they could. I’m not saying and I’m not blaming Melissa or Teresa for that their situation has created discomfort that clearly they’re not comfortable reaching out to each other. And that’s the blame on all parts.

Amanda 40:17
Yeah, I agree. And I agree about the sports situation, having a kid on a travel team. It’s definitely it’s not just for the kid. It’s a family commitment. So generally, at least one parents going on those things, those travel tournament weekends, anyway. And the reason it’s such a big commitment is because you are, you’re trying out for these teams, and you’re taking somebody else’s spot. So if you are not going to those games like or you’re not going to those tournaments, the chances are that you you might not make it the next year. So anyway, I feel like that was a poor excuse. Because Teresa’s girls are competitive dancers who traveled to and anyway, it just seemed, I don’t know, I don’t like that they were talking about it. And you could tell Dolores she was not having it. She’s like, like the look on her face. She’s like kids are off limits. So

B 41:10
Well, speaking of kids being off limits. I got an email as cocktail party knows. And it’s pretty interesting, Amanda because the email is saying that the behind so we know they’re filming today Thursday, and it’s saying the behind the scenes leading up to the Jersey reunion or an all out war. And not just the Teresa verse, Melissa have it all the reunion is going to be a bloodbath. Dolores is upset right now. It’s not unfathomable that she may lose Teresa as a friend after the reunion. It’s about Frankie Jr. and Louis working together. Big Frank is pissed and plans on bringing it up. Now, guys, this is an email. I don’t know, a fan could have made this up off the top of their heads and sent it to me. However, as you guys all know, if you’re listening, you’ve been listening and following for a while. Oftentimes, our emails are windows into what is happening. Right. You know, I can see a world where Delores talks privately to Theresa about it, but doesn’t want it on the reunion. And maybe Frank is listen, Frank is very good friends with Joe Gorga and has been for many years. Joe and Louis are obviously at odds. Maybe Frank’s like, Screw Louis. I’m bringing this up on camera. He wants to make my friend look bad.

Amanda 42:37
Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, I think not have anything to do with Joe Gorga. It might be like pays, you know mad about whatever that is to Frankie, you know, because I don’t think I think Frank has probably been wisely counseled by Dolores to, you know, walk the same line that she does, which I swear to God, she walks on a razor’s edge. stay friends with him all like I am. I always applaud her. But yeah, I guess we’ll see. And I think we’ll be hearing more. And I’m hoping we hear some more coming in even today. Because we often get we haven’t get little tidbits after a reunion or even during it films. So okay, I went

B 43:24
there getting wise to that though. We had so much fun getting those tidbits and now they started member VPR they took the phones. Yeah. I don’t know that they took jerseys phones. I’m just speculating.

Amanda 43:37
Yeah, we’ll see. Okay, so let’s talk about I want to say I had maybe had a few margaritas when I like texted you or DM you on Instagram about Rochelle and possibly Tom being at Mira Hall. I was like this is not a fucking rehab, excuse my language. But like I said, I had had a few margaritas. This is not a mental health facility. So, I don’t know. So the rumor was that that Michelle was there

B 44:14
apparently. Now we’re thinking Tom was it’s all confusing because he was at Coachella. He was photographed hanging out at his house with Billy Lee, who by the way claims to have picked Assad not picked aside right. She says she’s friends with bowls. She’s supporting both. But we know because we heard she’s hoping to film and so she’s clearly picking Tom side because who else is he got to film with? I mean, who you know. So anyway, Tom posts calling out mirror of all who posted to Insta so Miraval shared a picture of their bar one of their bars at their resort. In the caption wrote these are the best times of our life basically the chorus of the Vanderpump song. He was trying to garner sympathy he posed This whole thing like, I know I’ve made a mistake, but how dare they invade our privacy by posting this dude, if they’re posting it, it’s because you’re there at either a free or reduced rate. And you probably made a deal to post at some point. And now you’re looking for a moment where you felt you could garner sympathy. Yeah, not gonna happen. And one of my followers happened to be at Miraval, allegedly, and they said, they actually work at Marvel, but that’s neither here nor there. They said, a lot of people work there. So they’ll never know who a couple months ago, they started working there. Tom was there this week, and was telling everyone how in love he is with Rachel, he’s gonna marry her. He had zero remorse similar to what we’re actually seeing happening in real time. The person said he is just as narcissistic and gross in person, as we all think he is. I guess someone tried to explain to him how what he did was wrong. And he just continued to justify his actions. And he’s not trying to change that better. I mean, who shocked

Amanda 46:06
at this? So I know, I know. I have not been Tamir of all but I have many friends who have I have looked at it. And the reason I know specifically about mera Laval is mirrorball. It’s a you know, it’s like a spa where you go and stay right? And there is there’s health and physical wellness and mount mental wellness and all of that. But the reason I know mirrorball is it’s the only spa that sir also serves alcohol. That’s why a lot of my friends that have gone are like, Yes, I’m going to do all of the 6am Yoga and all of the working out and all of the like, you know, going walking through the like, mindfulness path, but then I’m gonna have you know, and I’m gonna eat the healthy food, but I’m gonna have a glass of red wine, right? And that’s why I specifically know about mirrorball. But, and I have, like I said, I’ve always wanted to go, but I just wanted to call out like, there is a big difference between a miracle where yes, you can have some mindfulness and some mental wellness kind of things. But this is not rehab. And this is not a mental health facility. Let’s put it this way. Like they don’t take medical insurance. Right. So I feel like that was yet another bad move on Rochelle is part by saying hey, I’m checking in to a man, you know, I’m with for my mental health, like, making it sound like she’s going into some sort of facility where there is a mental health facility, but really, she’s going to a spa like, oh, again, own it be like, I need to turn the world off for a little while. I’m gonna go check in to a, you know, place like that, you know, a spa, but I don’t know, again, I just it really, really annoyed me that she made it sound like she was checking into a rehab or mental health facility. Well, she’s

B 48:18
been doing while she also. So the episode

Amanda 48:21
and the preview for next week. So now, you know, we’re seeing more of the stolen looks. Now we are seeing more people starting to pick up including Ali and Sheena on is something going on with Sandra vol. And Michelle.

B 48:45
Amanda. I said it when What are you thinking? You’re right about her almost weaponizing mental health. Right. And this isn’t the first time we’ve seen this. If you remember when scandal first went down, you know, in the days that followed? I don’t know if you watch this. Do you know who Rob Dyrdek is? Dierdre. Yeah, ridiculous. This an MTV show. His wife apparently was diagnosed with it as being an adult with autism as an adult later in life. And she had posted something about her diagnosis. And people commented in support of her which was beautiful. And it’s, you know, fantastic for her to be open about it. And hopefully, people see that there are people who are diagnosed as adults, right? They don’t, you know, we think if a child is if you are a child with autism, you are diagnosed as a child, not always the case. So I say all that to say Raquel wrote something like I can relate to this so much. And that is where people started saying now, I’m not making any claims as to whether Raquel does or doesn’t, is or isn’t on the autism spectrum. I’m not commenting on it one way or the other. As I personally feel that I don’t want to offend anyone, I personally have people close to me in my life that I love and are important to me who are adults and children on the autism spectrum. So I am saying none of this in any way that is diminishing anything. I feel that the timing of her commenting that was very convenient. Whether it is or isn’t something that is personal to her, it is not something that she had ever shared previously. So what a convenient time to do it. And now we see it with mental health. This is also a woman, a woman who misuse our justice system to have a restraining order on somebody who pose no threat to her. So we’re seeing her it is something an entitled person does, who does things like this? Who uses these kinds of things? So that is, I guess that’s my point to say about mirrorball.

Amanda 50:50
Yeah, again, and it’s so funny listening to you kind of go back through all these things. She sounds like a just lost person. And you know what, that is something you can own and be like I am, I am lost, you know, and I have been making really bad decisions. And I need to get my own, you know, poop in a scoop over here and figure out what is driving me to make some of these bad decisions. To me that is taking way more accountability than being like, I’m checking into a mental wellness facility and making it like, Well,

B 51:27
so here’s what’s interesting. My source told me that she wasn’t at Maryville. And my source said that because Miraval, as you pointed out, is a resort. And he felt that they would get pictures. He wasn’t 100% sure he wasn’t there. It was his feeling that she wasn’t a follower. That same time, messaged me and said, for a variety of reasons that they explained. They thought that she was at Canyon Ranch in Tucson, Arizona. And sure enough, that is currently where Sandoval is where we saw him posting those weird stories of him like doing archery and closing his eyes, whatever. So make sense. Now he’s pisted miracle, he was probably going to miracle and they were going to meet up. So now they’re both currently at the Canyon Ranch in Tucson, Arizona. And I know that because cocktail hours, went to the websites they did side by sides of the different activities and they lined up. So that’s where they are. And yes, they used mental health to garner sympathy. And this is not to say that Raquel does not need some help with her mental health. This is not to say that she is a person who may or may not need treatment. It’s to say that that is not currently what she’s doing. Yeah.

Amanda 52:45
And as you were talking, I just Googled, can you drink alcoholic Canyon Ranch? Because again, like I said, the friends that I got, they were like, it is not served there. But you can bring it in your room is what it is saying on Google. I don’t know if that’s just what Google is saying. But guys like I don’t know. I think they both could probably use a little time away from alcohol. You know, that’s the other thing too as we’re seeing the preview for the next week. We know they’re under this. The Tom’s are under this extreme crunch to try to get everything open. And what’s so crazy is the alley sees Tom at See you next Tuesday and then at the Abbey after and I’m like, What guy who’s like working his ass off truly, to try to open his restaurant is going out past one o’clock in the morning.

B 53:42
There was also a deleted scene that somebody posted and it was I mean, talk about it was we get it? They’re drinking. It was from the wedding. Ariana is in the hot tub next to Raquel and Tom sort of like between them. It’s so you know what results as

Amanda 53:59
we look like a throttle, right? And then right Rihanna says like these pictures are never seen the light of day except for too bad. It got caught on film.

B 54:08
To show or to the point. Ariana has moved on. We know because we were emailed and told that scannable is going to try to spin it that she’s been with this guy. Listen, if she was with this guy, that would have been out already. His team. He has a very expensive PR team. His team would have put it out. This is a guy that I heard she used to work with in New York City back in the day when she lived here. In March after they split. She was at a wedding with him in I want to say Mexico and they reconnected he came to see her they went to Coachella they’ve been making out all over town. Nice rebound Good for her. He’s a cutie personal trainer. I mean, I like to see you’re single. I hope she’s not hopping into a relationship. It’s none of my business. be quite honest with you. It’s her business. Do whatever makes you happy. Whatever blows your hair back, Ariana.

Amanda 54:58
Yeah, I mean Go have some fun make outs. I totally agree.

B 55:03
Yeah. This is a lot and you know, people say to me, I’m so over this and I get it. And I get when you guys message me that, but I can’t not post about it so you know, just skip past it and I’m sorry I it is what it is. This is the biggest scandal we’ve ever had. It really is. Okay, bigger than Jen Shaw getting arrested. Maybe not, but they’re bigger stars and they’re such a big cast. And we’ve known them for so long, so it’s different. Totally.

Amanda 55:29
It totally is. Should we and I’m like the funny the emails that were you love this email you got to do I love it so much. Which by the way, I just make that

B 55:40
a segment like the emails like the bloopers that like listen, sometimes they don’t post stuff because then you guys are going to click the link and be like, really this girl is bringing me to read this but like we get such cute funny stuff from you guys. That isn’t necessarily tea or it’s a little bit of like Intel and I’ll share it to my stories but you know stories go away so people miss it. Yeah,

Amanda 56:00
but this one I don’t know why I just got such a kick out of it. But the subject line is Kathy Hilton just as you’d expect. And it says nothing too exciting but my husband is on a flight from LA to Dallas with Kathy Hilton. It sounds like she is as you would expect her to be. I know this isn’t groundbreaking, but we don’t live near any slabs so this might be the only tea I ever get to spill always enjoy hearing it though. Thanks and so she Ford’s like a screenshot from her husband. And I think it’s like saying Kathy Hilton’s on the plane and then she says, let me know if Kathy does anything else funny. And then it says, Oh, can you see her shoes does she have on slippers. So the husband responds and says I didn’t notice but based on her garb, it wouldn’t surprise me. She has her hair up on one of those long chip clip deals which got a love the husband for a chip clip and she’s wearing an odd visor when she got on she recently she looks like she recently had a facial. And then here’s another one. It said Kathy is being a bit of a diva. She doesn’t feel well and keeps asking for things. Hopefully she’s doing okay. It says the flight attendant told her nicely that unfortunately he has other people he has to attend to also.

B 57:23
Also guys, we got word today that apparently Cambridge is going to be back as a friend of I don’t know if Kathy’s filming. You know she started late last season my source isn’t really able to confirm so it’s anyone’s guess she’s not locked in by contract. I know that. Amanda, are we surprised that a rich privileged woman is acting like a diva on a flight now.

Amanda 57:43
No, absolutely not. When? Rich, privileged

B 57:46
woman one day I’m gonna act like a diva on a flight.

Amanda 57:50
Oh, that’s so funny. Oh, by the way,

B 57:52
my dad told me that when she’s an adult, she’s only fine flying first class. Oh, I love her. And I said okay, so what you’re saying is me and Daddy should be in first class as you and your brother can go in the back. Like sit down little girl. Mary voice little girl.

Amanda 58:09
Okay, so by the way, I emailed the person. No, does he like to send out tell us if there’s anything else and she’s like, so he got a picture of her walking away. And I will describe it. So it’s like, it looks like it’s like a little white hair club with like cherries on it and she’s wearing it’s like a sun visor. It’s like a straw, sun visor. And she’s wearing like a black kind of like sundress with luggage with her initials on it, but like not I see no Birkin. I see no like fancy Kathy Hilton vibes which is again, why I love her. I love her. And I don’t see I can’t see her shoes unfortunately in this picture, but this is why I am so tickled. It does look like she might be carrying a pillow though. She was carrying a pillow with flowers and like scallops scalloped edge. Again, this is why we love Cathy probably

B 59:12
like from her couch. She just grabbed it on her way out like not a neck pillow.

Amanda 59:15
And there you go. There’s your cocktails and gossip exclusive for this podcast. guys.

B 59:21
You guys are good. We love cocktail hours. Again, we know there’s a lot of choices. We appreciate you tuning into us every week. And is it next week that we’re doing this that we’re coming out the next day? Yes, I don’t ever want to get a review about stale tape because I am busting my ass to make this short. You guys get this out. And honestly, it is a fair criticism and Amanda and I don’t like it either. But yeah, and we’re not going to get into the numbers and everything. It really wasn’t feasible for us. And now it is and as we improve we try to, I don’t know, not as we improve. As we go on. We’re gonna keep trying to improve. So do let us know. You can always DM me or email, you don’t need to put a negative review on Apple and act as if I am somebody who hurts kittens. But you know, do you.

Amanda 1:00:12
We do appreciate the feedback and we do listen and to the stuff that we can fix. We really do work to fix it. So thank you guys. And with the 50th episode. This is this is exciting. I can’t believe no, we launched with three episodes who were not quite like we’re a little less than a month from our year anniversary. How crazy is that?

B 1:00:32
It’s crazy. It’s crazy, super crazy. And it’s fun. And we love interacting with you guys. I mean, we really do love the community. And that’s why we have so much fun over at cocktail party and there is no pressure I get it. I have a ton of bills. This is not a pressure comment. It’s just us saying we genuinely enjoy our community. We appreciate everyone who tunes in and till next week. We love you guys

Amanda 1:01:03
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B 1:01:44
Bye guys. See you next time. Bye