Tom Schwartz’ dumpster fire of a WWHL appearance: From the weight cuffs he wore, to the admission that he knew about the affair since last August, to the plea to all of us to give Sandoval a hug. Wow, just wow. B and Amanda get into a conversation about what Tom Schwartz should have done – should he have told someone? When? How? And is he smarter than he plays on tv? There’s a new lawsuit that alleges more cheating involving people we’ve seen on VPR and RHOBH. And we’re hearing there’s a new reality show brewing involving people from lots of different reality tv shows. We dissect a couple of the most memorable moments from this week’s Real Housewives of New Jersey. And does Bravo use social media as a focus group? We think so – and we talk about this week’s Bravo article about Lindsay Hubbard wanting to be a Housewife as the perfect example. 

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Transcript: Cocktails and Gossip Episode 47

B 0:00
First of all, I certainly wouldn’t go out to dinner with her under the guise of a girls night and then she’s meeting up with him. I wouldn’t do that under any circumstance from any friend in any capacity, because I wouldn’t want to be privy to that. But even more so like, I probably would distance myself from them as a couple. I don’t know that I would tell because ultimately, I don’t I don’t that’s not really my business to tell. I can only do what I can do, which is not agree with it and separate myself.

B 0:36
Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tape. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from And as always, it’s all alleged and just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’am B.

Amanda 0:56
And I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tea.

B 1:03
What’s up cocktailer’s

Amanda 1:04
Good morning. First of all B How are you feeling today? I know you had a little bit of a day yesterday. Well, it

B 1:12
was my sister in law’s birthday. And we are down in Florida at our condo. So guys, I am in the library because I still can’t. Well, first of all, I did pay for Wi Fi. But the kids are up there. It’s early here. So I just came to the library hoping no one disturbs me because I figured you all didn’t want to hear for kids running around in the background because I have my niece and nephew here with me. I’m good. You know what? I did a lot of day drinking but we got to bed early. And I feel all right.

Amanda 1:42
That’s good. And one day, you know, one day we’ll build the custom podcast studio into your condo.

B 1:51
Right? That will be I mean, or will at least convert the walk in closet.

Amanda 1:57
I am still in the closet. Still in urine in our total mess.

B 2:03
We like

Amanda 2:03
our closet. We do we like the closet. Okay, so All right. We got to start with shorts. On Watch What Happens Live? I mean, I have thoughts. I know you have thoughts? I think Andy had reaction. I mean, it was it was good TV. So why don’t I just for anyone who hasn’t watched it? I’ll just do a quick a quick summary. So he he is on there with like Rob Lowe’s son or something? I don’t know. I mean, the guy barely talks because I mean, it was just like captivating. And I thought was very interesting. Because Andy, really just kind of let him go. He I feel like he usually kind of interrupts and make some play games or no games. It was very like I’m interviewing, like, sit down and tell the truth kind of situation.

B 2:52
By the way I was traveling like when it was on. So I am seeing all these messages come in. And I was like, oh my god, I can’t believe I’ve since seen it. But I’m like, I can’t believe I’m missing this. So I had to like, use my followers. I was like what’s going on? Tell me and like obviously, other accounts that I saw are posting. I was just reposting their stuff because I wasn’t even watching it.

Amanda 3:14
Yeah, I mean, and I didn’t watch it until the day after because I go to bed at 930 it comes on superbly here, where I fall asleep watching TV. So yeah, I mean, I definitely was seeing the posts come in as well. And I was like, Oh, I can’t wait to watch. So he says he comes out and says that he knew about a one night stand with Sandoval and Rochelle in August. When was she knows wedding? It was in August. Okay. So what we don’t know is if this happened before or after? I’m guessing it must have been after the one night CMOS have been after the wedding because that would have been strange if

B 3:58
Well, I don’t know. So here’s the thing with that. And I saw somebody post this or a follower sent this to me. And oh actually a follower sent it. I think I screenshot it and the person said to me, watching the episode makes it obvious to them that she was hooking up with Sandoval, but it was a secret. So they think that she was so like kept pursuing Schwartz to really rub it in his face for him to dump Ariana. Yes. And that makes sense. I mean, I’m of the belief and I’m not changing this belief that it was since Coachella. And I think it’s great that he admitted it was August. I think that he is trying to absolve himself publicly of blame Schwartz, and still not being truthful.

Amanda 4:41
He did a very good job. Okay, let me get more of the summary. There’s just so much to talk about though. And I like I have questions. I have so many questions. Okay. He said he thought it was just an emotional affair, after the one night stand until January. And then in January, Sandoval told Schwartz Notice that he was in love with Rochelle. And that after that, that’s when Sandoval became flagrant and brazen. With the affair. Schwartz says that CNL told him he tried to end the relationship with Ariana multiple times.

B 5:19
I’m just going to jump in here and say I don’t believe that although and this is hot tea Mysore on DuBois. There’s a rumor that at the reunion the first part, Ariana admits that she was aware of Sandoval cheating in the past. I don’t know if we’ll learn was that eight years ago? Was it several times over the course of their nine year relationship? I hope we get those details. I’m sure Andy will ask but that will be interesting to hear.

Amanda 5:46
Yeah, it will be. I heard by the way that they’re going to release an extra long version on the reunion on peacock only, which I think is very, very smart. Whoever’s running peacock is doing a really, really good job. Okay, let’s see here. What else we got? Schwartz says, oh, yeah, we already said that. The mob mentality, I guess against Richelle. And against universal is getting out of control, that he himself is mad at CNN of all for putting him in a compromising position. He then used the word heroin. When he said that Sandoval is addicted to Rachele, he said she is his heroine. So the other funny thing is it starts out because like the last the last time towards kept putting his hand in front of his face. So this time he comes on and he has these like weighted like cuffs on his arms. And he shows them he’s like, because you guys keep telling me that I keep touching my face. So he’s wearing them and then at some point, and he’s like, I’m just gonna take them off. And then he starts touching his face. So like,

B 7:04
on hinged in, honestly, in a way it was it was a throwback to you know, before crisis management and PR teams and social media blew everything up. So it was listen, it was great TV, but what are you doing?

Amanda 7:22
What are you doing and like, it’s your clearly your, your tell, as far as lying goes is touching your face, and it’s like I’m taking these cuffs off so I can get more comfortable and go back to lying as how I interpreted the body language. Right. So Schwartz said he didn’t know about Sandoval and Rochelle When he kissed Rochelle. Ariana, eviscerated Sandoval and Rochelle at the reunion and more Sandoval than Rochelle. And he said that Sandoval had told him he was going to tell Ariana after the reunion, and then he ends was saying like, hey, gifts and of all, you know, after he’d already called him a monster for doing all this. And he said, Well, he’s really he’s really down. You know, give Sandoval a hug if you see him.

B 8:20
He also said about Katy like he praised her on the show, and then in the after show was calling her a monster repeatedly. I mean, what my opinion is, if we’re asking for my opinion, is that crack is wack? I don’t know. If it was about the pasta. I know the pasta is a hell of a drug. I actually posted a funny meme and Kyle cook wrote an whole diatribe about how it’s so hard for them and my response was Kyle you really shouldn’t group yourself in with Tom the Tom’s aren’t you better than them? It actually got picked up by comments by Bravo shout out to them. They’re a fantastic account. They have a great pod. They’re also comments by celebs. They always like repost when Bravo stars comment on like memes or each other’s posts. So when they repost, it’s great for us accounts because they’re a big account and they get us a lot of followers. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Kyle, probably so good. I listened to their podcast. I I think that Kyle was probably on his fifth Loverboy when he wrote that and when he woke up today, and he saw that it was shared by comments by Bravo probably was like shit, why did I do that? Why didn’t I listen to Amanda when she told me just let it go? Listen, I think that first of all, I think it’s interesting, and I’m going to be vague here but I do think it’s interesting that he said she’s like his heroine. I do think that quite honestly Sandoval looks unwell in his face. He doesn’t look healthy. I don’t know. It doesn’t look like a drinking face because that’s usually puffy. So I don’t know Oh, he doesn’t look well. Maybe that’s the route he goes is sober up and come out and say like, I had an addiction and I’m getting help, and maybe that would get him some sort of grace from viewers.

Amanda 10:13
But when you’re saying this, like, are we? Are we double entendre being here? Are we saying like, stop seeing Rochelle, if she’s your heroine? Like, are we saying like, maybe he does have like he is doing like something else. That is not healthy.

B 10:33
Even the clips you see of his concert and stuff, he doesn’t look well. I’m just gonna say it like that. He doesn’t look.

Amanda 10:39
I don’t know. Well, after going through something that’s horrific, too, though. So it’s hard to say. But he like I agree with you that he doesn’t look his eyes kind of look a little hollow. He just looks you know. Yeah.

B 10:53
But he looks stupid. He was spinning flipping the story he was trying to make this is this is short, he was trying to make it to me. He was trying to make it seem like, Okay, I’m finally telling the truth. But he just changed the lies. So I think he knew from the beginning. I think he made out with her. I personally think that he just figured she was a pass around girl. Um, I’m fairly certain that the toms have had quite a few of those over the years pass around girls. That is all I know, is, I believe shorts knew from the beginning. I think that the Tom’s are the same as Jack’s always was, and that it makes sense why Jax was always salty. But also why the why Tom Schwartz always backed up. I think sandals misstep was like condemning Schwartz. I mean, Jack’s publicly a couple times over the years, but he mostly supported him when he was doing the same stuff. And I think he’s damn lucky that Jack’s waited until now to drop it because he certainly could have sooner.

Amanda 11:55
Yeah, I mean, it definitely makes me look at Jack’s a little differently. Okay, I have I have a question. But I want to just say something about Tom first, because I watch the show first. I watched the show first. And then I watched the Watch What Happens Live. And I’m watching Tom. And I’m like, it’s kind of interesting. I don’t know that I’ve ever noticed this about him. He uses some vocabulary. Like, he uses some pretty like big words and poise in that episode. There. He uses words that Katie was like, wait, what? Like provocateur like what does that mean? You know? And is he I just started to wonder, I’m like, is he smarter than he comes? If is he playing a part here? Is he playing the dopey guy on purpose? Because he knows that is what like his persona is because we’ve seen some other people play this part pretty well and have, you know, play a part to a certain extent and, you know, come off pretty well. I don’t know I or it’s using totally interesting.

B 13:06
I mean, it could probably go either way. I mean, he may be a bright guy. I just also think that like even his show, like showing on Watch What Happens Live and him just being honest, I think that there’s a way about him that he does play this dopey, silly guy. But I also think He’s invincible. I think that he could say he’s mad at sandable. He could say he’s concerned about the business. I don’t believe it. I think that when everything’s turned off, he’s saying like, this is just all publicity is good publicity and keep showing my ass and people keep tuning in. And they’re, even if the audience hates us, they’re not going to get rid of us, Tom. So I do think that both of them are that way. I think that. And I think it’s short sighted. Because I think that certainly in the short term, yes, they’ll keep them because it is great right now. But I also think that that’s fine. But once we see this through, I don’t think there’s much of a life for them on the network after this. That’s just my opinion. Like, I think that similar to Jack’s like, you play it until the the finish line, and then Bravo’s like Yeah, but now people hate you too much. So you’re out. Right.

Amanda 14:13
So here’s another question.

B 14:14
They can comprehend that though, I think if they heard that they would be like, she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.

Amanda 14:21
Um, okay, so here’s another question I have for you. So, have you I find myself thinking about this. Because I started to think about, like, where is the line? Right? Because, like, have you ever had I don’t know if you’ve ever had a situation like this, but I have where a very good friend of mine does something that I completely don’t agree with, but you know, that my friend is my friend and I am supportive. And I said, That’s not what I would do, but I love you. You know, I love you no matter what, you know, whether it’s, you know, whatever it is right. And like I As I’m thinking about this, and like, I could see a situation where if I were the friend and like my friend worked was cheating on her husband, right that like, would I tell the husband, and if the best friend, if my best friend is my best friend, I probably am saying to my best friend, like, look, I don’t agree with what you’re doing. I don’t I don’t, you know, like, personally, I don’t think cheating is good. I think if you’re, if you feel the need to cheat, then you should end your marriage and then go do what you want to do. But there would be a line, right? Where it’s like it’s going on, and there’s all these people involved. And you’re also friends with the, you know, with the husband, like, at one point, at some point, you gotta say something, right? Like, are you tell your best friend like, Look, you tell him you tell so and so or I’m going to write.

B 15:54
So here’s the thing. And this is, fortunately, I haven’t had a friend who shared that, like, unfair with me. So I think that if a friend comes to you, and they’re like, be Listen, like, I stepped out, I made a mistake and confides in you. And it’s over. And it’s done. It’s a totally separate thing than you being aware of an active situation. And if it’s somebody that you don’t see, I think it’s easier, okay, as an example, if it’s one of my friends from college who lives in a different state, right? And she, and we are, we are, you know, do a girl’s weekend. And she confides this in me, and it’s still going on. And now like, I may or may not even really know her husband, right? Because they got married. And we always lived in separate states. And so it wasn’t like, it’s somebody I know from college as well. And so I don’t have a connection, and I’m not in their lives every day. I think that and even though this is probably bad to say, I think that I would be able to kind of just, I probably would still say to them, like, I kind of don’t want to hear about this, like I don’t agree with it. And just don’t talk to me about it, because like, but I think that I probably wouldn’t feel compelled to out my friends. Whereas if it was a friend who is in my neighborhood, and let’s say our kids are friends, and we go to things together, and we do date nights as couples, I think that I would say to my friend, like, if it was an active thing, I would say to them, like, I don’t want to know about it. And if I knew it was still going on? I don’t know, I don’t I’ve never been in this situation, I probably would stop hanging out with them.

Amanda 17:30
So you’re saying you would not go on a ski trip to Big Bear with them?

B 17:35
Exactly. Exactly. I mean, what do you like? Well, okay, first of all, I certainly wouldn’t go out to dinner with her under the guise of a girls night, and then she’s meeting up with him. I wouldn’t do that under any circumstance for any friend in any capacity, because I wouldn’t want to be privy to that. But even more so like, I probably would distance myself from them as a couple. I don’t know that I would tell because ultimately, I don’t I don’t, that’s not really my business to tell, I can only do what I can do, which is not agree with it and separate myself.

Amanda 18:06
What do you think Tom Schwartz should have done? Assuming that at what he said on Watch What Happens Live is true. And that he knew about the one night stand that he thought it was an emotional affair, and then he knew it was flagrant starting in January, what do you think shorts should have done?

B 18:24
I think at a minimum, he should not have been socializing with Raquel and Tom, while they were cheating. At a minimum. I mean, they’re business partners. So they can’t he can’t distance himself completely. But I do think that he should not have gone away with them. I do think that he should not have hung out with them. Um, so yeah,

Amanda 18:44
I just, I mean, I just wonder like, because in my in my opinion, I think I would say, like, look like you tell her or, or I’m going to like, this is not okay. You know, you’re you’re hurting a lot of people here. This is, you know, this is not the friend that I know.

B 19:02
And here’s the thing. So Amanda, let’s add the layer that we haven’t added to this. So now, not only is my friend having an affair, and I’m friends with a couple and we socialize, but the person she’s having an affair with is the ex husband of another mutual friend. Because Jake, because Raquel is also James’s ex fiance. And so she’s having an affair. And on top of that, the husbands are very tight. So so let’s call her Mary is married to John. And she’s cheating with Joe and John and Joe are best buddies. They golf together every weekend. And they’re also best buddies with her ex fiance, Mike. So in this case, it would be different because yeah, like I’m gonna probably tell because you’re freaking cheating with our friend. Because this scenario you and I just worked through, right. I was picturing a stranger Which is different. I don’t care what anybody says it’s a double betrayal. Is it an equally double? No, I think that and we heard he said Ariana was harder on Sandoval. And she should be, that’s the person who was committed to her. You know, but with that said, it’s not like, my friend, Mary is having an affair with the trainer at a gym that none of us go to, and is in three towns away, and nobody knows this guy, right? Different. Well, now deal shitty, but different. Because

Amanda 20:29
like that, I don’t feel like and that’s kind of where I was, too, because I’m like, I just, I feel like you can be a good friend. And you can be a supportive friend, and say, Look, I love you no matter what, but like, You got to fucking do something. This is not okay. Right? Like, you’ve got to do something like this,

B 20:48
I think you can be a supportive friend and say to them, like, morally, like, I disagree with what you’re doing. And I think you should stop. And if they don’t stop, you can say to yourself, and you don’t need to say to the person, I don’t want somebody in my life. And this is how I would feel. I don’t need to be close friends with somebody who was willing to treat their husband, their friends like this, and lie to them and live a double life, that for me, that is not somebody that I value in any way. And when someone shows you who they are, as the great Maya Angelou said, Believe them the first time, and to much smaller degrees, I have exited friendships, because they did things that I just, you know, it’s not always a conversation, it could just be like, wow, you know, it. And that’s, that’s, that’s everybody’s own decision and how people protect their own piece and what they value, you know,

Amanda 21:45
it’s just there are there are so many layers to this onion, and with them having these businesses together. And Tom Schwartz also said on the on the watch what happens like that people have been vandalizing the restaurant, and that kind of stuff. And it’s like, and he’s like, I don’t know

B 22:02
about any of that. We haven’t seen it. And from what we know, the crowds are there. So

Amanda 22:06
yeah, I’m sure like the curiosity. We talked about,

B 22:10
you know, listen, and again, when you’re a public person, like even myself, like if I posted something that had an undertone of, I don’t know, racism, I’m just making this up. And like, a lot of my followers turned on me and unfollowed me, that would be warranted because I posted something that is out of line with the persona that I’ve represented myself to be. And now that they see that side of me, they don’t want to be associated. I mean, we see it all the time with public figures and scandals, right. So Will Smith look at Will Smith. I mean, I was a fan of Will Smith, since I’m a kid, loved his music is his corny rock music loved Fresh Prince of Bel Air loves everything he’s ever done, when he smacked Chris Rock across the face like that. I’ll never look at him in the same. There’s nothing he could say or do to me. It showed me who he is. And not a fan won’t support I’m not interested.

Amanda 23:04
What do you think Tom Schwartz’s motivation was,

B 23:10
and you know, the next thing is going to be like that. We cancel people. But I’m not saying so I’m just going to touch on that. I’m not saying everybody needs to feel that way about Will Smith. But as that’s how I feel. So I’m not saying to cancel the guy. I’m just saying I’m not no longer interested in him. Sorry. Go ahead. Well, we say

Amanda 23:26
no, no, I agree with you. What do you think Schwartz’s motivation was coming on? Like when he was like, Yes, I will. Yes, I’ll come on Watch What Happens Live. And in his head. What do you think his motivation was? He’s like, I want to go on to like

B 23:46
I honestly don’t know how much thought he put into it. I think that the fact that he went on and said so much shows that listen, they won’t want to keep this train going. Okay. Lala soldes said somewhere that she sold enough send it to Darryl sweatshirts to cover her down payment for her new over a million dollar house. So they are all cashing in on this. And I look at it totally from that lens from these people. He’s relevant. He’s more relevant today than he was last week as people were slowing down talking about him. So I think that’s probably always a reality stars, motivation, and even the nicest ones, even the ones I like, it is what it is, you know, like even was shot as like Shahs of Sunset and I love all of them with the exception of Mike, like when Mike came out and all that bad stuff went down with him. They were they were talking about it on their podcast, and they were going on other people’s pod and why because it may it brings the spotlight on them, which has people buying their products, which has people paying attention, which and we’re going to talk about this later who has put Reza back on a reality show traders and we’re going to talk about another new reality show he’s going on. So you know is he going to talk about Mike Yeah, because ultimately, it makes him relevant. And the best part It’s not his own shit. It’s someone else’s shit. They like as much as they will feel bad for Ariana. Come on, this is great for them like it’s all this exposure without them having to split with somebody or have a drama in their own lives.

Amanda 25:13
Right? Well, and speaking of we have been talking a lot on cocktail party posting a lot on cocktail party, about another cheating scandal. And you’d be the judge, you’d be the one to kind of share what we want to share here versus on cocktail party. But there is, you know, talking about having the spotlight on or off another cheating scandal

B 25:41
cover the lawsuit that is now popping. We posted it a couple of days before and then I said it was going to come out. And sure enough, it did. Which is why I was comfortable posting the documents because they were public documents. The there are legal websites with these documents. So I’ll read one of the emails. There’s a lawsuit against a former West Coast housewife, one of the allegations as there are a few is that her son in law who works for one of her companies pressured another employee for sex. So this is just semantics. But the way that I understand it, Amanda is that the lawsuit isn’t against the Son in law, or the ex housewife themself. The plaintiff is suing the company the plaintiff worked for, which isn’t an ex housewives company, but they are the distributors of the wine. Right? Yeah. So

Amanda 26:26
for anybody who like kind of doesn’t understand that part of the business, the distributors, and winemakers make these exclusive relationships. So if I am like, I’m going to sell Amanda wine, I would go to a distributor and be like, okay, distributor, you have the exclusive rights to distribute my wine in the US or in, you know, Canada, et cetera. So they have these very close partnerships, just so that you guys like, kind of understand why it’s, it’s a pretty, it’s a pretty tight relationship, even if it’s two different companies. Right.

B 27:09
So the employee is suing the very large apparently, the person who originally sent all this to me, works in the biz, and they’re like one of the top people. So she’s suing her employer for fostering a toxic and sexist work environment, and is citing the son in law’s behavior as an example in the lawsuit. So it isn’t exactly that the ex housewife or son in law are being sued rather accompany their partners with is being sued by their own employee. And then per the lawsuit, it does sound like she had something ongoing with the son. She says that she went to his hotel room, this is all in the lawsuit. And it sounds like this went on for a period of time. In my opinion, after reading this, I’m not sure how I feel about the lawsuit itself, the sink, the things described are accurate work with with clients dinners, late nights, I get the feeling that there was a need to roll out the red carpet for the ex housewife and her son in law, however, to be in so many one on one situations like she alleges, and again, these are allegations in a lawsuit. So Could she be making this all up? Yes, I can tell you that her public Instagram does show pictures of her with the son in law actually also with the daughter in law and with the mother in law around the dates that are named in the suit. So she does in fact, she did work for the company. And she did have relationships with them. She says that when the wife and the mother in law weren’t there is when the affair will go on. So and then we posted the actual documents, which I feel like they’re kind of out there. Now. I don’t know if we need to go into all of that. We it is it’s on the site, guys. So if you want to read it, it’s there for you.

Amanda 28:51
So here’s the thing. So I did not go through like every page of the lawsuit like I love to do in this case. Because just it’s been like a crazy week and whatever. But with a lawsuit like this, she’s got to prove that there were that she was somehow encouraged by the company to do some of these things and to to allow things that may not be appropriate. Like having a client invite you back to the hotel room. She’s got to prove the the company was pressuring her to do that. Otherwise, it kind of could sound like they were just sort of having an affair. And now she’s kind of retaliating towards whoever she kind of can. So, you know, again, I think it’ll be interesting. We’ll follow this case, guys, and we’ll keep an eye on like, what’s happening and all of that, but, you know, I think this is what it does sound like, unfortunately, and who knows, you know, where where things will go. But what it does sound like is it does sound like there was an affair. And that there, there was some there was some cheating going on is at least what this person is alleging. And that’s just, uh, you know, I feel I just

B 30:21
and there has been only. So this was last weekend and now we’re recording on Friday. So it’s been like a full five business days four business days, there has been no public statement from the son in law, the daughter in law did actually post like family pictures, which he doesn’t often due to her stories when all of this was being reported. So, I mean, it’s impossible they don’t know about it, because basically every Bravo social media account has reposted this in some version, right. So

Amanda 30:53
well, I saw on Bravo snark side who pretty frequently, yeah, I really enjoy that one. They will pretty frequently repost posts from crazy days and nights. And this was a blind that implied that part of the reason. So listen to this, this is uh, this is quite the conspiracy theory. And you know, I love a conspiracy theory. Part of the reason that scandal broke when it did, and the fact that like more details kind of keep trickling out every few days, that this is all a ruse to keep attention away from the lawsuit. So I find that to be quite far fetched. I think that there was some fortuitous timing around, but I mean, I don’t I don’t think the fact that like, Ariana picking up the phone, so Tom won’t step on it at his concert and then seeing what she saw. I don’t think there’s any way to like, push that to happen in the universe. However, I the fact that little details keep coming out. I mean, I think there could be there could possibly be some strategy to it.

B 32:08
I must. Okay, and hear me out, Amanda. And I’m not saying this is what I believe. But there is another theory, right, that that none of us are talking about? Because I guess we all want this to be what it is, which is a shocking thing. The other theory is, and I was sort of like thinking this in my head, and I figured why not say it out loud. What if Sandoval and Ariana actually broke up a while ago, right? We had heard rumors that they were open relationship broken up, what have you and of course, they always deny that. What if they broke up a while ago? Last season was very boring. I think COVID Saved Vanderpump I don’t even know if they would have been renewed but because of that they got that other season, and then they decided to bring it back. And the season was pretty boring. As a matter of fact, we found out and again, cocktail party T that we found out that they weren’t going to air Sheena’s wedding and she actually is not I forget how I worded it because my source sent it she makes like a daily rate she doesn’t make as much as some of the full time cast members. And again, guys, I’m not sure why because does that make us Sheena? Oh, she didn’t Okay. In any event, they actually ended up filming her wedding and putting it in because it was such a slow, boring season. So with the knowledge of that, what if Ariana and Sandoval broke up anyway? And what if he moved on to Raquel and maybe Ariana wasn’t happy about it? Because even if you are split, you probably don’t want him moving on with somebody your friends worth what if they did all of this because they knew it would get I don’t think anyone could have known this was exploding the way that it did but they figured it would secure them another season and they were broken up anyway. Here’s my thing if that’s true if that theory is true, which guys literally off the top of my head I’m making this up Nobody has told me this is the case. If that were true, were you laughing?

Amanda 34:00
Because I love a conspiracy theory so I’m like tell me more but here’s what

B 34:05
I here’s what I think the the the chink in the armor is going to be the clink in the armor the here’s what I think it’s gonna mess it armor Yeah. chink in the armor. Here’s where things gonna mess up the whole thing. I don’t think that Raquel will be able to withstand the backlash. And I think if that’s the case, when she really is about to get canceled and she really nobody’s like come around and turn it around on her because let’s face it at some point people may forgive Sandoval he could do something he donate to charity people forgive men. Is it fair? No, but it is what it is. So I think she’ll come out and be like this was a fucking storyline. Yes, we were dating but they were broken up. If if this psycho conspiracy theory I just constructed recording this pie is true. She will be the one to give it all up. And then what?

Amanda 34:58
Okay, I love I love the theory. I love a good theory. I just don’t believe it based on the way everything went down, like based on the fact that like, Raquel, Rochelle and Sheena, were on Watch What Happens Live. And then the phone call happens. And then Sheena and Rochelle get in the fight. And like Lala was like, I mean rabid. And you know what I mean? I just, I just don’t think I think it I think it was revealed. I don’t think anybody but Schwartz really and Rochelle and Sandoval knew I think back in January when the root like I do think there was probably some rumors going around. And I do think probably Ariana and Tom had probably broken up or, you know, talked about broke, breaking up and maybe gotten back together. So I think all of those things happen. I just I think what, what’s going on now is that now that scan of all has broken and it was huge. I think there was a huge amount of traffic and money and attention. New people probably joining peacock so that they could watch all the past episodes of Vanderpump. I think now the powers that be at Bravo and peacock and the production companies are like, Oh my god, we’re this is a crazy goldmine. Let’s, let’s time out the way that details get put out. Because we’ve got to ride this wave as long as possible. So we’ll see. I guess we will see. But I agree if any, if your scenario is right, of course, Michelle will be the one to crack because I just I mean,

B 36:45
Sandoval could crack too, but I don’t think he would. Because unless they canceled him from the show.

Amanda 36:55
Yeah, no.

B 36:57
But then, but then you’re not winning anybody back at that point. So oh, now we’re supposed to like you because you lie to us.

Amanda 37:05
So by the way, that whole scene where Rachelle comes to Katie’s room, like can you read it? If you and I are like Katie and our Katie and Christina. Oh, my God comes in. Like, I actually thought Katie and Christina were very restrained. I think they could have torn her apart. And it’s like, what in the actual F Rochelle? Like, wow, wow, she’s,

B 37:37
yeah. I don’t know what to make of her. But

Amanda 37:41
maybe maybe there is something that isn’t fully right about her. Maybe that is maybe there is like,

B 37:51
I think she has mental health issues or personality disorder. You know, somebody reached out to me and they, they were like, you know, I’m a very introverted person. And I feel like she comes across as awkward. And I’m like, no, no, you can’t put this on being introverted. introverted. People don’t have year long affairs with their best friends. Partner of 10 years. No, no, no, no.

Amanda 38:15
I don’t have you don’t have morals, right. So

B 38:18
this is not This has nothing to do with like, outgoing and shy versus outgoing or shy. No, no, no, guys, let’s get it together. But the thing is, is like nice, good people don’t want to believe somebody’s capable of that. It’s like whenever I think I’ve said this before, whenever I watch, like a real you know, Dateline about someone getting murdered. I never believe it’s the person who did it. And my husband’s always like, be sup the person is dead. Somebody did it. So it could be that person. And it’s like, always hard for me to imagine because it’s such a, you know, awful disgusting thing. But obviously people do it. So,

Amanda 38:56
yeah, agreed. I always want to see the best in people to to but I also know like the difference between introversion extroversion and morals. Okay, what else do we have? Oh, so do you want to talk about that other

B 39:16
move to Jersey? Let’s look at Jersey because I think I think that that is an out there. Yeah. So

Amanda 39:23
agreed. Okay, let me just go down into my notes. Okay. So, all right. I had to two of my favorite moments from this episode of Jersey. And I want to get your reactions on each so let’s talk about one at a time. First moment. Dolo and Jen, tell everyone at the like coffee ground lunch that Teresa had a vision while meditating about having them as bridesmaids. More looses face. I was like, I, she, you could tell she was trying and she just like could not hold herself back by like, it was like a little bit shock a little bit discuss a little like, what that WTF like it was I’d like somebody’s got to screenshot that and give it a meme because her face said so much without her saying a word. What did you think?

B 40:27
I and I also think that you know, Melissa turned around and like looked at Dolores like, Are you kidding me? She didn’t even have you at the engagement party. I just find it quite convenient that now that Dena isn’t going to be a bridesmaid all of a sudden dolo is asked to be one. And I’m sorry. And you know, I don’t buy the whole Dina didn’t go to the wedding because it was filmed. I’m just going to say I think based on a lot of intel that we’ve received, Theresa, Louis, Dina and her husband we know all hung out. They even traveled. When Teresa and Louie were first together. I believe they were there for their engagement. They flew in Dave’s private jet for Teresa’s lavish, 50th party right after that is when they stopped hanging. Now I’m not clear on if there was a business deal or if Louie proposed a business deal. What I do know is that the men are not fond of each other. Now, I do believe that Teresa and Dena have a loyalty and respect and, and obviously long history with each other and I don’t think that they are mortal enemies. I think that they have brokered some version of peace between themselves. But Dina is a very private person, and she won’t come out and speak on this. So Teresa can make this any way she wants, right? She can do whatever version she wants. And Dina’s not going to say anything. So I mean, I do think that Dolores is sort of, I’m just gonna say it. I think she’s being a bridesmaid for the show. I think it gives her more airtime. I think it gives her more of a storyline again without having to focus on herself. Do I think if this if they were not on a show, and Dolores had a close longtime friends like Teresa who didn’t invite her to her engagement party, who then somebody that she used to be friends with who really she doesn’t like now dropped out of the wedding. The bride asked me and also I do believe that at the time she has to Loris it was to get back at Dina because I do believe they were in a fight at that time. So do I believe that in real life outside of a television show Dolores would accept this? No. Do I think Dolores would attend the wedding? Yes, I think that she would attend would say no, I’m not going to be a bridesmaid. That’s my opinion. As Tamra judge says,

Amanda 42:37
Do you think that Dolores and Jen had to like go and practice in the mirror so they can keep a straight face? On the story about the meditating thing?

B 42:50
I think Dolores did. I think that Jen, I really think that Jen admires and loves Teresa a lot. I know everybody says she’s up her ass. I do believe that initially when she came on the show, there was a piece of her that stuck with Theresa because she felt like she was never going off the show because she’s jersey. And if Jen was her soldier, it would secure her. I do believe that I think in time they do have a very true friendship. And I think well at least Jen, I would say I think Jen really loves Teresa. And I think Teresa really appreciate that she will soldier for her no matter what if she can have a vision in the night. And Jen will believe it. And Jen will tell everyone she had the vision.

Amanda 43:31
Yeah, and that’s one other question. Do you think Jen would be like, would ever speak in L word about Teresa. Do you think she would ever be like, yeah, it’s fucking weird that Louis said that he wears? Yeah, I don’t think so either. And I think dolo does a good job of like walking the line and like staying, you know, like, I don’t know, I don’t know how she does it. She is she does

B 43:57
and I think yeah, and I think that the reason that Teresa hasn’t turned on her, I know that listen, Teresa didn’t ask her to be in the wedding. And I think it’s because she’s not as loyal of a soldier. But she’s and she’s not an OG. But she has been around since the beginning because we know she was going to be cast and she was in like, you know, the scenes with the manos. So I do think there’s a side of Teresa that knows that. Dolores is there of her own right. She’s been there the whole time. So she doesn’t need to pledge allegiance, whereas a new person like Jenna is in yellow Rachel does, right. Does that make sense? Like yeah, so dolo is, is as established in Teresa’s mind. She’s not as big as Teresa. She’s not as big a star and Teresa as mine. But she does feel like well, she can make you know, you know what I’m saying? Does that make sense? Yeah, she can’t boss her around as much and she doesn’t expect to be able to but she does expect loyalty and she does get it you know, so yeah. Okay. I don’t think Jen would ever I think If Teresa made up a complete and total lie about anybody else on the cast and asked Jen to back it up. She would, she would

Amanda 44:58
do it. Oh, you’re okay. My other second my second favorite moment was this coffee crown reader which by the way, guys, like I actually just sharing, you know, just so you know where I’m coming from. I actually believe in I believe in psychics. I believe in tarot card readers, I believe in, you know, like, all of this stuff. I think they actually have the same base gift, but use different mediums, you know, coffee grounds or tarot cards or whatever. I actually have a really crazy story about a coffee, a very good coffee ground reader. Maybe I’ll tell that on the bonus pod when we record that later. But anyway, the looks on the faces. Just you could have just watched that part. I should go back and watch it just with no sound. looks, looks out their faces were so priceless. I would really hope there’s like a whole deleted scene. Maybe they’ll show like on the never before seen just to see the rest of that whole situation.

B 46:01
Oh my god. But you know what it is? It’s like, I love that they were all laughing out loud. And no one was playing along except for Jen. I mean, it was so obvious. And then like when she used the word endorsement, I just cringed it was it was honestly cringe worthy. And I think it also though, I think it was a bad look for journalists. And we all know that they do orchestrate certain things. But it was a bad luck because it was so obviously fabricated. And it clearly highlighted to even the Gen fans that she’s capable and willing to fabricate. You’re supposed to make it look like it’s real.

Amanda 46:35
Jen. Right? Well, like, here’s a question for you. So back to the like, Oh, God, like back in the Vicki and Brooks days where when Brooks was faking cancer, they had that psychic Come on, and say, you know, and he said, like, I don’t think it’s real. I think he’s faking it. Back then I didn’t really believe that it was a setup. But now I kind of do, because I think they kind of we weren’t

B 46:59
as savvy, the fans weren’t as savvy and myself included. I have to be honest. Because now there’s so many accounts that post and point things out that it makes us look at other situations and question whereas that was what, seven, eight years ago, Twitter and Instagram weren’t covering Bravo in the capacity they are now. And we sort of believed that at more face value, even if we questioned it. There wasn’t a there wasn’t a platform for us to sit there and debate it like we are currently doing and like so many other followers or fans of the show do,

Amanda 47:31
right. I’m like, you know, that was a smart way to like, you know, have this psychic, pull out this news versus have Meghan be the one so that they can all be like, Oh, hmm. You know, and so anyway, I just was thinking about that the other day, but this was so blatant, and so bad.

B 47:51
So I mean, it’s good.

Amanda 47:52
It was good TV. I loved it.

B 47:54
It was good TV. It was great. It was great. It was light hearted. It was fun. Listen, it was good. It was very classic housewives. You know, it was good. We I want to touch on pizza gate. I think so many accounts have covered it have covered both sides. Well. So with that said, my feeling on it is what we know to be true is that Louis himself invested 102 or $4,000 and got these ovens. What we don’t know, you know, we can all make our best guess like, Louis went behind the back and change the name. And then Joe didn’t want to put any money in, or the truce or friends will say no, Lou, they only change the name and did the photoshoot after Joe said he wouldn’t take 5% Whatever it is, here’s my thing on their best day, Teresa and her brother are on thin ice. Okay, even when things are good, they never been great. I do not believe that there should be a business between that. Furthermore, if you are going to do business with a relative that you have notoriously fought with for your entire adult life, there should be no discussion, idea sharing or anything without an attorney present drafting a contract in real time period. So like, I find the whole thing ridiculous because of that. And like to me, the details are sort of irrelevant, because it doesn’t make sense to me why they would do this in any capacity. And then let’s say, Okay, well, there are two reality stars and it could make a lot of money and why shouldn’t they? Okay, then the attorney should have been present and everything that should have been done legitimately.

Amanda 49:29
And we talked about this before, like, this is where I was like, I just don’t think it’s adding up and you know, like, there are so many steps to starting a business and we’re how the money goes into places like it matters, right? Like, you know, you don’t just you can’t mix personal and business money. It has to be very clear like you’re putting money into a business account, because then it becomes a business account and then the money you put in is considered you know your contribution And then based on that, and based then based on your contract, right, because if somebody’s doing sweat equity, or it’s their idea, but somebody’s investing more money, you have to have a contract for Well, what does that mean? You know, in terms of ownership percentages, so I don’t know, I just again, like there’s so many steps, I think, I agree. Totally a bad idea. And I also just think the math isn’t math thing regarding going from 100,000. To he lost $250,000 Because of Joe Gorga. Like, there’s just I just don’t, I can’t see the

B 50:33
reason. And yeah, I agree with you. And I think the reason neither side brought it up before is because they realized how stupid they look. Because whether the idea was stolen, whether he put the money in, any person would say to you, whether they are a business owner or not, you don’t go into a business with somebody without a contract, period dot done. So that’s why they didn’t bring it up. Nobody was protecting nobody. Okay. Teresa didn’t want to look stupid, Louis didn’t want to look stupid, Joe didn’t want to look stupid, Melissa didn’t want to look stupid. And then they got into such a beef that it came out. And now they’re trying to blame either side. And to be honest, we may never know, because we weren’t there and there was no attorney present. And, you know, they may really see their versions as different, right? Like Joe may may say to himself, well, I had full intention. It was He was quick to order these ovens. And so I was gonna pay the next shipment. But like, that may really be His truth where Louie sits there and goes, but I paid for it. Do you know what I’m saying? So

Amanda 51:33
but once again, both of them are business owners, and they know how this shit works, right? You don’t just go and like, buy a bunch of pizza ovens. You say like, Okay, we’re gonna put the money in, and then we’re going to use the business account. But in order to have a business account, you have a contract and you you have a I think in New Jersey, you might even have to have a license to have it like, there are so many steps and this is why I totally agree with you that I think they realize they both look stupid. So yeah, I completely completely agree.

B 52:07
And you know, a lot of people are saying to me like, Oh, you’re not posting as much jersey. I’m not and it’s purposeful. And I’ll be honest with you. I am very clearly side more with Melissa. I relate to Melissa more I side with Marge more. With that being said, it’s such a toxic environment on social media. With Theresa fans, like we can all agree there are so many accounts that disagree with my Christian grace. No, we disagree about like almost every housewife. But we’re friendly. We share each other’s stuff. We support each other. You know, these these new accounts that only focus on how bad Melissa is. My comeback to that is if she’s so bad and so boring. Why can’t you guys stop talking about her? The ratings are higher than ever. We can all say we’re sick of this feud. They’re not getting rid of her. So long as people are tuning in and people are talking about her. Look how that worked out. They got rid of Rena Rena Rana, why do I say her name wrong? And we’re hearing it’s a struggle bus of a season. The Jersey production team is not going to do that people tune in people talk. The reason that I tried to disengage is because it becomes like people DMing and fighting and really being very aggressive. And it’s like, we’re watching the television show. It’s just a television show. And we’re sharing our opinions. And when that turns to this like really unhinged, negative, gross place, I have to disengage because I just can’t. So I’ll comment about it here. I’ll repost the funny No, no PJs, but I do stay away from it. Because to me, it’s not that serious. And people are making it way too big of a thing.

Amanda 53:42
Well, moving on. So summer house, we can talk maybe well, I wanted to actually bring up that. Yesterday, I saw on Bravo’s Instagram account, that they did a post which led to like an article on the website about Lindsey Hubbard wanting to be a housewife, which I thought was very interesting, right? It was coming from Bravo, the network itself. And my thought was like, huh, do you ever wonder if they sometimes do this specifically and on purpose? To see what people will say in the comments like kind of a social media focus group?

B 54:22
Absolutely. I think certainly, it’s a newer thing they do. I think they’ve also used accounts to gauge you know, people’s interest. And I have to say the fact that they did that shows that they’re very invested in Lindsey as a Bravo, personality. I think she’d make a great housewife. She’s great television. I do not see Bravo giving her up. So I do think that it’s possible. I feel the same way about Paige. She’s another breakout star that whether summerhouse is or isn’t I think that they’re going to want to stay with her in some capacity. Kyle is another great example. We saw him on traders. But then Amanda, I do remember others like MJ and Reza, who were similar presence is with the network, right? And we never really saw the day where they wouldn’t be there in some capacity. And we do know they’re still trying to get stuff greenlit. We do know that Reza was on traders. But interestingly, another network we posted this, this is new news, there will be a show called The Boss, it’s going to be airing on free TV or Amazon. And the people from Bob Bravo or Jill Zarin, Kristen Doughty And Reza, which is like, so freaking random. And then a bunch of other people from bachelorette survivor Love is blind to the challenge. Drag Race 90 Day fiance. I didn’t recognize a lot of them, but they’re big and whatever shows they were on. So I think those shows are great. Because we’ve said it before like with trader, you’re getting all different streams of audience like I’m tuning in for the Bravo people you might be tuning in for 90 Day fiance. We know the challenge is huge people will be tuning in for them. So I do say to myself, do I think that they’re feeling people out? Yes. But the problem is, and I think this is why Lindsey is pushing, she’s pushing a spin off, be it wedding, be it bachelorette party be at a combo of both. Because there is a there is a window of time. And if you don’t get that person in and on something in some way, you lose the audience, and you’re no longer a relevant person. And then you start going to like divorce boot camp, relationship boot camp. You know what I’m saying? Or like this, this show, like, listen, these people are all going to be on the boss. It’s a huge cast. It’s a different network. They’re not making nearly what they were making at the height of whatever shows they were on. Right. But it’s applied for for them and they remain relevant. And it’s smart because they know that their star is fading. I hate to put it like that because they’re great. People. It also makes me laugh how like Kristen Doughty was like, I would never go back on Vanderpump Rules, really, but you’re willing to go on a challenge on free TV. Okay.

Amanda 57:02
Well, and I think maybe, you know, I think Lindsey is just seeing like, her time on summer house is probably coming to an end. You know, and I think she’s, I think, you know, one of the things like in the marketing world, like it’s a joke that like it’s a very common joke about like the cobblers children have no shoes, right like that. marketing firms or marketers are sometimes the worst about marketing themselves. I think Lindsay is a big exception to that because I think she is being doing a very good job at publicizing herself. And, you know, really trying to work into that next move. So, and I wouldn’t be here for it. I think she would be like, I just I’m kind of over her on summerhouse, honestly. But I would love to see her as a housewife

B 57:50
in a different capacity. Definitely. Yeah. So I think there’s another place for her. It’s just I think what I said, striking it while it’s relevant,

Amanda 58:00
right? Well, there’s your focus group Bravo, you’re listening.

B 58:03
Cocktail hours. We love you. I hope that the audio is okay, because I am in a library in my condo because I can’t seem to figure out well, I sort of figured out the Wi Fi but I couldn’t figure out where to put all the children. So we love you guys for tuning in. And till next time.

Amanda 58:20
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B 59:09
Bye guys. See you next time.