JLo dropped a new album (but the Cocktail Party Crew knew it was coming). Our thoughts on the Wendy/Mia fight on Real Housewives of Potomac. A bit of a tangent about real vs. fake Christmas trees. Ronald Richards and the telenovela that is Erica’s life. Exclusive RHOBH tea about a possible returning castmember. An update on the actual value of the house in Carmel-by-the-Sea bought by Tom Girardi for his previous secretary. And this week we have two deep dives for you. One on Taylor Armstrong and her real name…and another about the Balenciaga ads. It’s so much worse than we realized; and the silence is deafening.


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transcript: Cocktails and Gossip Episode 29

B 0:00
I get what they were going for. And that was Robin and Giselle, this whole thing because Robin intercell, they don’t like anyone to act like they have something big or we saw how they treated when he when she tried to come out with a candlelight.

B 0:12
And the one thing and I think that this is an important discussion, like in general for us to have on the pod is, many of these women have the same opportunities, and some of them are much more successful at capitalizing on that. And as time goes, on housewife see more housewives from other cities succeed.

Amanda 0:38
Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tea. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds, and the hottest tea from bravo and cocktails.com. And as always, is all alleged and just for fun. We do not verify our blinds. Be. And I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tip.

B 1:05
What’s up Cocktailers? Cocktailers how’s it going this week?

B 1:12
It’s going good for me. It’s been

Amanda 1:15
Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving, I had stuffing for breakfast today. Today’s the day after Thanksgiving. It’s Black Friday, I had salami bread, I’m very proud of that. Not

Amanda 1:26
salami bread, I need to know what that is. That sounds delicious. Whatever it was, I have to send you my recipe. It’s my mom’s recipe. It’s the best. Yum. So also this week, so Thanksgiving, obviously huge, but we also launched the membership site this week, and shout out you guys, to the clock tailors. It was a labor of love to create. And we are just so excited to see it grow and to start really building that community that, you know, we keep hearing from cocktail are saying that they want. So you know, we’re here and we’re doing it and just want to say thank you to to everyone who has joined so far or is intending to join. And it’s funny cocktail hours, because like Amanda and I before we hopped on here, we’re just talking about. So we had this vision of what it would be before it went live. And now that it’s live, we’re realizing how many ways we can communicate. And what I’m personally going to be working on this weekend is, you know, doing that, and just when I get an email hopping on and reading the email and sharing my thoughts, and if Amanda can be with me, she will if she can’t, she won’t, it’ll just be me or it’ll just be her. And like just that sense of community where we’re getting the information. And I think that’s the most important piece of our cocktail or community is, you know, we have to wait for the editors to get stuff back to us. And now with our own platform, we don’t and we’re going to upload podcasts immediately. We’re going to upload T immediately, whether it’s a post or whether it’s me hopping on and being like, oh my god JLo just dropped her album, and we had an email 24 hours prior. Amanda? Hmm, yeah, our cocktail party members knew about that early, because that was the only place we could post that. Right. So this is the perfect like situation where you have Jennifer Lopez, she’s, you know, a superstar, you get this information. And you’re a little nervous. But I had a very closely placed source give me the explicit details of the album that was dropping, and I was like, this is the perfect content to put on cocktail party. I knew it was going to be true because of who the source was to be honest. But you know, there’s still that question in your mind. And so that when it was you guys already knew. So it was very cool. And obviously by now we all know she scrubbed her Instagram so immediately, followers are like, what is this? Did she break up with Ben? Is this because of Balenciaga, which is we’re going to talk about that later in the pod, that atrocious situation, what is this? And so immediately I posted and I got some intel that they heard she was dropping music, but nothing really too specific. And then the day before she dropped, I posted that she was dropping not just a single but her album. And it’s this is me now, which is a recreation of her. This is me then. So it’s a 20 year anniversary. And that album was dedicated to Ben and I assume this one is to she actually really cool. She worked with some of Beyonce songwriters, and Jack Harlow is producer rajai. This person who’s you know, closed source as it’s got some really good bops. And it makes sense we remember how annoyed she was when her performance was leaked from her wedding. And that’s because it was a song from the album so everything was adding up with that. So yes, that was very cool.

Amanda 4:58
I love it. I’m gonna put it

Amanda 5:00
On today as I’m finishing playing Christmas, well putting Thanksgiving away and then like decorating for Christmas, so I’m definitely going to check it out or maybe at the gym that I keep threatening to go and do.

B 5:15
Well, meantime, my husband is like, I’m going to start taking the boxes down and I’m like, Okay, well, I’m in the closet and the attics above my head. So you should have done this while I wasn’t home. Yes, you can wait. I can’t upon the cocktails can’t.

B 5:31

B 5:33
take priority over my tree. I hope you know that. Okay. I love it. Amanda, do you do real or fake tree. So we actually have done both. When our kids were really, really little. We opted for fake for a couple of years, just because I had such anxiety about our kids eating pine needles.

Amanda 5:53
And now we’ve gone back to to reel and we usually go is like tall as we can find. What do you do? Oh, you make so my whole entire life. I grew up with real. And my husband grew up with a mix. Like sometimes some years, they would do real some years they had a fake that they used when we got married, we always did real and a couple years ago. And to be fair, you know, we go pick it out together. But he does obviously all the work as far as bringing it in and setting it up. And we go to Florida the week after Christmas. So it’s always that dilemma. We have a flight first thing on the 26th. And then we worry that our house is gonna burn down.

B 6:32
Do you know what I’m saying? Yeah, because we have a tree. So we have to have like a friend or a neighbor come water and almost So long story short, a couple years ago, we got a really good deal on a balsam Hill, you know, those beautiful ones. Those are gorgeous. And but like I miss it. And so we still like go will pick out like a fresh wreath or whatever. And I don’t know, we keep saying well, this be the year. But again, we’re leaving first day this year. So I think we’re just doing our fake, which looks really good. But I know it’s fake. And I always like to Realtree Yeah, we will pull that guys will pull that what do you do real or fake? And why? Yeah, and I mean, I get it like that worry about the tree drying up like that. That I mean, that’s that’s a real concern. I don’t know, I feel like you can also though just, if you’re going to be gone for a long time, just make sure the lights aren’t on, just turn on, you know, and completely unplug them from the wall. And maybe that would make you feel less worried. But I don’t know, there is that smell. And we always do like greenery on our mantel and do some fresh reads as well, because that that smells so nice. But they’re the day that you have to take them down and lead needles everywhere. It’ll be like, February. And somehow even though I vacuum frequently, I’m still vacuuming up needles. I know. I know. first got married, we lived in a condo. And it was a second floor. So we had like stairs, I swear to you. We were fighting needles in July. And my husband would just like this is ridiculous. You have to have a real tree. Look what we’re dealing with. I’m like, I don’t care. I know I saw on like Shark Tank or something. It was this invention this Christmas tree thing. And it was like I don’t even remember how to explain it. But like you pretty much just like popped it open. I can could even keep your your ornaments and everything on I was like, that’s what I need. Because it’s always yes, my husband ends up bringing in and then we’ll put then like I do all the lights. I do all the ornaments. I kind of thought that like by the time our kids were older that the kids would help. But no, they they do like three and then they walk away and they I know they do it on purpose they put on like all at the bottom. And like in a group and they know that that just annoys me. And so then I’m like just get out of here.

B 8:51
Well, no, but the fake one is so easy because we have a closet in the basement that like it’s stacked like we put it back in, but it just it opens the lights are on it. It’s seamless, and it looks real. It really does the good ones now, I mean, I remember when we were kids, my friends who had fake one, it would be like that awful. You know those really fake looking ones. Yes, they were difficult because you had to put them in like limb by limb. Yes, I remember. I told you remember we probably branch by branch that limb by limb. You’re crazy

Amanda 9:29
I totally was like Yeah, I know exactly what you’re saying. It didn’t even didn’t even like occur to me what you’re saying, but I don’t know you’re kind of solid me on on the fake tree just because doing the lights for me is always the part that I just I dread that I hate that part. I never did it I always made my husband do the lights just because I don’t do a good job but I always I like exclusively decorate my kids helped me a little bit like your kids do and then after they get annoyed and I end up moving them anyway because you know like the important ones have to go in the

B 10:00
Brian and then the nones RS is in front of the window. So the nonsense ones I tend to put on the back like the filler ones because right? Yes, from the window, it looks like you have ornaments, but nobody’s going behind it to see. Right? Yeah, of course the same.

B 10:15
Oh, do you know what I once looked into? And I mean, this was like a real housewife move a company that does it. Because do you ever see those pictures of the professionally done trees? And how? Um, yeah, I mean, we all see it on Instagram, right? Yeah. They wanted like, I don’t know. I think it was like $700. And I haven’t been just like, looked at me very, like, bewildered.

B 10:38
He’s like, he’s like, but what about all of our ornaments that like we’ve collected? And like, What are you talking about? I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that. So yeah, I mean, I kind of feel like, even if I were Lisa Vanderpump, and probably had, you know,

Amanda 10:55
millions of dollars to spend on that sort of thing. I feel like I would still want like a personal tree, right? Like, you would want to have like the decorator tree. And then you would want to have the personal tree that has like, the ornaments that your kids made when they were four, and the personalized ones, the ones that means something to you from trips you’ve taken or whatever. So somehow, I feel like I would still get stuck decorating that tree. Well, I’m sure you can hire people, but like, it’s part of the holiday spirit. It is it is and I like to listen to my Christmas music and my kids are giving me a real hard time because there’s one song I really love. And I have three versions of it on the same way. I would like to immediately know what it is.

Amanda 11:39
It’s called pretty paper by Willie Nelson. It was one that my mom always loved and still does. And I’ll know hear it or is it like very rare.

Amanda 11:50
I don’t know. It’s not one that is like a super common song. But then a lot of people have done it. So like the Lumineers who’ve done it. Kenny Chesney has done it. Dolly Parton who I love country music as we know, so I probably do know it. It’s just not coming, right. And I also like I’m the person who has on the station in New York, it’s 1067 that only plays holiday music. That’s me, you get my car. You’re listening to that until Christmas Day. Sorry, not sorry. Love it. I’m the same way. I am exactly the same way I even because I always used to make like in my 20s back when you could make make CDs. So I would always make a new one every year of Christmas music. Stop aging us. I know. I know. I can’t help it. And so now I have my kids doing a family Christmas playlist, which my son keeps taking two of the three versions of pretty paper.

Amanda 12:47
Oh my god, I love it. Okay, anyway, you guys, do let us know we should actually do a poll on the membership site about what people’s favorite Christmas songs are or on their regular site? Because I think everyone’s got a strong opinion about that. Yes. Okay. So back to actual real housewife, fizzes Potomac. The fight between Wendy and Mia happened this week. It was it was kind of I’m really interested to hear kind of what you what you think about it. So I feel like I can be I want to use the word unbiased because I like me and Wendy equally in that, like, I don’t dislike either of them. I don’t stand either of them. Like I’m sort of like still deciding. But I have to say, from what I watched and my opinion, and people are very split on this. We’ve been seeing it all over the internet. Mia was looking for a fight. You know, and I have heard rumors, guys, that and I believe we posted a little something about this that Giselle and Robin were pushing for me up to make so behind the scenes right, to make an issue out of the Pieter situation. And I think that their reactions kind of indicate while their reactions on camera now you see them in the press trying to backpedal but on camera, their reactions really clearly indicate that they were, you know, pumping me up to do this. Like,

B 14:17
In what world? Is it normal for me to be in Wendy’s business about going into a business with Peter. Mia is not in business with Peter Right? Like let’s say he was one of her business partners, maybe in some way it would be relevant. So why does Wendy

B 14:38
need to speak with me about her business situation with Peter and I know that Mia had this whole thing saying like Peters family, he comes over Okay, first of all, that was so clearly not true. They are very much acquaintances. I do not believe that they’re close family friends and that he’s the first one who met her kid or whatever she tried to say it was very clear

B 15:00
To me that they know each other, and you know, I appreciate me some Peter Thomas, but he is a thirsty turtle. And he very clearly is trying to insert himself into his storyline and good for him. He wants the press for his businesses. I’m not hating him. I’m not hating on it, I get his angle. Also on two teas in a pod, Cynthia said that it was Peter who pushed her to be on housewives. So that was a piece that we never knew she just recently a couple of weeks ago said that. Yeah, so that really makes sense. So my opinion on it me, I had no business, discussing this with Wendy and especially not like when they’re out to dinner. It was clearly her trying to have a storyline and a scene that revolved around her and I believe that the green eyed bandits pushed her to do it or encouraged it at a minimum. I agree with Wendy, like, Peter is not a close friends of Wendy’s. He’s not a family member. She’s a married woman. He’s a guy that she’s acquainted with that she had a conversation about possibly doing business. There is no reason in the world. She would call him to say she’s in Miami. Yeah, she doesn’t owe him anything. I agree with you on that. And it is the assumption of the other way. Which is it I can’t believe you didn’t tell him which that holds no water with me, like somebody that you might do a business deal. If you’re on a girls trip. I wouldn’t reach out to that person. I’d be like, I’m on a girls trip. No, you know, that’s, I get Wendy’s point. And I think that let’s say Peter was a woman. Let’s say it was Cynthia that she was talking about going into business with and she knew that Cynthia was in Miami, and she was on a girls trip. I can almost see it making sense for her to reach out, right, because it’s another woman. They’re on a girls trip. But a married woman reaching out to a single guy. While she’s partying with a bunch of girls. They wouldn’t be meeting up to talk business to talk about opening a lounge. They’d be meeting up to drink and hang. And to Wendy’s point, she’s a married woman, her and her husband don’t operate like that. I don’t think she would appreciate if Eddie were to go into business with Cynthia say, and reached out to her while he was on a boy’s trip. And they went out drinking together. And he was out drinking with another woman. So I totally get Wendy’s point. Do I think that

B 17:14
when Mia kept going and then Wendy made the comment, because before the drink was thrown, all Wendy said was you listen, maybe you and your husband get down like that, like? In other words, you call up guys. He calls up women, but in my marriage, it doesn’t work like that. Was that a little bit? Did it instigate it a little bit? Well, only if you’re very defensive. Why so defensive? Mia, I struggle on this one, because, well, I sorry, I don’t struggle on this one. I think Mia’s whole point of view is so strange. I don’t blame her for getting mad at Wendy for insinuating what she did, right, which is that she and her husband have a different kind of marriage. But I have a hard time sometimes with Wendy, I feel like she just kind of talks down everybody and uses her education as a way to try to say that she’s better than everybody. And I it really bums me out. Because it would be amazing to have somebody who was very highly educated like that. Not throw that in everyone’s face, but everyone would know it. You know what I mean? And like it just bums me out that to have somebody who is like that. And then who also acts like that. It just it kind of takes her down a notch in my estimation, overall, that she has kind of no modesty about it. And like I said, uses it as a tool to kind of, you know, make people feel less less than I guess. But yeah, I don’t know, the whole thing is is strange. And if Robin and Giselle, I would really hope that they, if they are behind this antagonism session and the wanting to see me go for her, which I believe it could be I at least hope that they were not encouraging the drink throwing or any kind of physicality. I don’t believe that they were I think that Mia went there because she didn’t know how to respond to Wendy. I mean, what she could have said, I mean, me, I should have just dropped it. She kept it going. Like Wendy answered her question. She was like, why would I call another man like stay out of my business like about if I’m going into a business deal with Peter? Right? Me it could have left it there. Right. But I feel that

B 19:31
she, there’s two either she wanted a big show that she knows would get her airtime. Or she really did. Well, we know she wanted a show, which is why she brought it up and she made this nonsense storyline. I think that what she was also trying to point out and what Giselle and Robert who were pushing which certainly wasn’t that they wanted physicality or whatever. I think that they are trying to say that Wendy only had Peter on and talked about this lounge as a storyline for her

B 20:00
And she never had any intention of doing it, which I happen to believe is true. Yeah. But I think that Mia should have just said that, like, she should have just been like, yeah, I get it fine. You don’t want to call him but the reality is, everybody knows you’re not really doing the restaurant with him. Everybody knows you don’t have the funds to do that everyone knows your husband isn’t at all interested. Like it’s BS. And I get you don’t want to break the fourth wall. So just say, you’re just trying to look like a bigger deal than you are by by leading us to believe that you could because you see when sharees says to him, oh, I want to open a champagne bar. Mia goes, Oh, I would take her seriously because her checks will cash. So I get

B 20:37
I get what they were going for that was Robin. And Giselle is whole thing because Robin and Giselle, they don’t like anyone to act like they have something big. Or we saw how they treated Wendy when she tried to come out with a candle line. Yeah, and the one thing and I think that this is an important discussion, like in general for us to have on the pod is, many of these women have the same opportunities. And some of them are much more successful at capitalizing on that. And as time goes, and housewife see more housewives from other cities succeed. There’s almost this thing where Giselle and Robin as an example, want to keep want to put that down. Like, they know that maybe Wendy doesn’t have the capital right now to do it. But because she’s smart, and because her husband’s smart, and it’s their team, they could figure something out. And they could try something that really does make them very wealthy. And right. So I feel like these kinds of storylines are always like kind of like hater squashing it like they want to squash that they want that to not even be a thing, right? Because I think what it is, is I don’t, I mean, I can’t think of other than the podcast, what Giselle is doing outside of the show, and I think there’s this feeling of like, if she’s not on the show, then her, you know, significant stream of income will end for her. And I think there’s some insecurity about that. And that that’s why she is such a hater about the perfume and about the candles and about all of this other stuff. That’s right, I think you’re I think you’re 100%. Right? Right, then try to have a viable like business for yourself. You’re kind of would rather spend your time squashing other people’s hopes and dreams, right? Yeah, I mean, girl channeled that energy into to doing something else and get yourself to a point where you couldn’t be in a truly take it or leave it position when it comes to doing a show. And these women are approached with approached with so many different things, right. And I know this because, as a Bravo fan account, I’m approached with different partnerships and various different things, right. So on a much higher level, they’re approached with things, but the reality of it is, is outside of a sponsorship deal, right? Where I’m dressing in something and posting a link, if I’m a housewife. And I’m approached by in the same way that Kelly Dodd, remember, when she did that energy drink, she had the capital to put into it. Okay, so these women have opportunities that come to them from the show. But if all you have is your salary from the show, and you’re paying your mortgage with that, and everything, and you don’t have the money to put into a business opportunity, you’re kind of limited, right? So you know, the people that go on these shows, with a couple of listen, if you’re very wealthy, you don’t need it. Right. If you don’t have any money, it’s going to be harder. But if you have a few bucks, and you go on a show like this, it provides you opportunities, where you can really turn that few bucks into a real income where you no longer need the housewives. And we’ve seen it happen. You know, we’ve seen many people be very successful. Outside of housewives. Look at look at the summer house crew look at the southern charm crew. I mean, Craig and Paige are great examples of they really took those shows and they capitalize Hannah Berner was only on a couple seasons, but she’s been able now they have an express deal. They have their giggly squad, you know, they took this opportunity. And, you know, she went out with a big scandal and everyone turned against her. But home girl still making money, you know, she really made a business. And I do think their generation has an advantage because they know how social media and all of that works. Both Hannah and Paige actually worked in like, I don’t know if it was for betches or social media, whatever they worked at. Yeah, she did. And so there’s so many opportunities, and to me, I know people have and there are things that I don’t like that Wendy does. I don’t like when she acts like she’s better than other people. You know, just because somebody like Karen is an example who has a different generation than Wendy. I didn’t appreciate that whole I have, you know, different generations. Karen is a very smart woman with people can be smart without having, you know, PhDs. So I don’t appreciate that. But I do think that when he got on this platform as a

B 25:00
way to make her family’s stream of income for her kids and herself and her husband better. And I think if she did that she would happily bow out. I don’t think she’s in it for the fame. I think she’s in it for the opportunities it gives her in business. And there are some people who clearly are just in it because they like to be on television. Yeah, I mean, I think they all I don’t know. I honestly too. I just think, ultimately, and I guess we wouldn’t have a show if everybody did this. But, you know, it would be just nice to see people building each other up, especially when it comes to business ventures. Right. But again, we probably wouldn’t we wouldn’t have as good of a show if that were the case. We sent it last week, Heather had a small beauty lab. And now this has afforded her the opportunity to open a second larger location. And when she builds those two businesses with or without Salt Lake City, she’s going to have those businesses so yes, she is, you know, at what we did, so this is interesting. We got an email and just to summarize, because we posted it about under fire. It basically said this Potomac housewife is under fire. She instigated the fight. She’s the one who made it physical. We also have that worked out for Monique. She’s trying to garner sympathy and hinting that she’s stepping away. But in reality, she’s just fearful that she won’t be asked back. So she’s trying to frame it. Like if she’s not that she laughed, cuz she’s also me. This is about me. Obviously, she’s not a fan favorite. Also, she had that whole nonsense about her health that she never addressed. And then she had some things saying her and her husband were locked out of all their business accounts. Yeah. Like everything about her is fraudulent. I don’t understand any of it. I don’t know. And I’m not saying that she shouldn’t be on the show. Because if there’s a storyline there, Let’s expose all this fraudulent stuff. Or yeah, I Mia, despite the this boss lady persona that she puts up, I question it right, I question whether she’s really in there in the books every month, and really looking at all that stuff? And I don’t know. But again, we’ll see. We’ll see what happens with her. And you know, this, that business then being locked out of business that was a few weeks ago, and not during filming. So, right, you know, maybe that didn’t really happen. Maybe that’s something that she’s just doing for GE, you know, to try to stay on the show. So who knows, but what a stupid thing to do. Like, why would all of your businesses be in your husband’s cousin’s name? That sounds something’s weird. Yeah. Okay, sorry. My son keeps texting me. I’ve got to tell him to stop. He’s asking me for apps.

B 27:27
They don’t stop. Okay. All right. So I’ll kick us off into the next. Thank you. I think we covered Potomac. There’s just so many ways to go and I love Potomac. And whether you I liked the ladies or not, I think that they give us good television so that they can all stay. Except Sharise. She can go, but we got some exclusive scoop regarding Tinsley. Amanda? Yes. Which we haven’t been talking about lately. It kind of she kind of dropped off the map. That’s the point. I think that’s why we’re hearing about.

B 28:01
So it’s really interesting is, you know, they’re we’re trying to get a sense of like, what’s going on with legacy. And so Page Six reported saying, Oh, the doors back open for Tinsley and I got a similar email, which I initially posted yesterday, the day before. And then I took it down because my source was like be, that is not true. She was supposed so she was supposed to be on the ultimate girls trip, which we’re going to see soon with Leah. She was going to be her, you know, other party. And the reason that they cut her and it wasn’t her decision, it was the network’s is because she wasn’t willing to discuss what happened with Scott. So she was engaged to Scott and they broke it off. And he was such a major storyline for her on, you know, New York when she was on and also like, what else do you have to share with us? If you’re not discussing that? Like, I’m sure Vicki would have preferred not to discuss getting dumped by Steve, but she did it. Yeah. So basically, she is out of the running for all things unless she decides the only the only caveat would be I don’t know if I’m saying that. Right. What else is new? would be if she, you know, says yes, I will discuss it. I’ll tell you all the gory details. Okay, so, is it possible that she can’t talk about it? Like, could Scott have asked, Could there be some sort of financial agreement or something where she said that she just can’t talk about it? Or go ahead and assume that’s what it is? Yeah. I mean, or I guess it could be so so so, so painful for her that she just can’t, you know, because I mean, we obviously saw her have a lot emotionally invested into the egg retrieval and to doing into her wanting babies and, you know, maybe it is just it couldn’t be that it’s just so so so painful. She just can’t so racy. It could be either I think what I heard was and the source did not say she really wants to

B 30:00
To be back on, but they did say she really likes her name still being floated around and talked about like she likes that. So I can tell you that tea on a holiday weekend is slow. So something tells me that if she phoned up Page Six and gave them a little whatever, they would print it because hey, listen, you got to fill the column somehow. I get it.

Amanda 30:23
Yeah, and you’re right. Like she, there’s no way she could go on there and not talk about it. Right. Even Leanne on the or Luann on the first girls trip on that yacht. I mean, they were all asking Lou Ann’s very pointed and what I had to imagine to be very painful questions that Luann answered. And then you’re right, Vicki did the same. And so there’s no way translate could go on and knock it not do it and get away with with not answering those kinds of questions. So Exactly. Yeah. So we’ll see. Okay, so then this week, though, the there was more. I mean, this Gerardi story just keeps unfolding and unfolding. And you know, this week, everybody was talking about the earrings, right? The earrings were even, you know, a character on the season of Beverly Hills. There was so much discussion about it and why America wouldn’t give them back. And Ronald Richards, who we know isn’t he’s the attorney who has a big social media following and seems to have it out for this situation. I think it’s more than just him trying to put out information to the public. I think he’s got some sort of personal issue with Eric, because he’s all he is all over this all the time. But he put out this very interesting and I want to unpack it host about the earrings that she turned in the earrings that and we know that they’re supposedly $750,000 earrings, which Erica said on the show, they’ve been appraised at almost double that she has now been believed to turn them over to the trustee for the bankruptcy months ago. And then if you want to share what he said in the tweet, yeah, so Ronald Richards he tweeted, breaking, we can safely report that the earrings that Erica Gerardi gave to the trustee are not the same earrings on the sales invoice aka as the replacement earrings purchased through a tax fraud by Tom Girardi where he falsely claimed the $750,000 check was a court cost. So he tweeted this.

B 32:38
And the internet is like what every account was like wait and make this makes sense. What the heck does this mean? So TMZ then reported that the $750,000 earrings were estimated at a much lower value and were only expected to actually be sold between 250 and 350,000. According to Ronald, there have been a number of inconsistencies in regard to the apparent burglary that occurred years ago, during which Erica and her estranged spouse cleaned the original pair of earrings he purchased for the Beverly Hills store were stolen. Here are the facts Ronald said. Number one Erica claims under oath she had a burglary in 2006. Number two, Tom claims to the Franchise Tax Board. It was 2007 So now we’re off on the years. Point three. Erica claims Tom bought her replacement earrings in 2007. Under oath point four, the jeweler confirms this under oath his invoice lists to 2004 gi a certificates tied to the earrings he sold. Ronald went on to further confirm that the earrings Erica turned over were not the same ones described on the invoice. Point number five. The earrings Erica ultimately turned over to the trustee are not the same earrings on the invoice. Point Number six, the GI a certificates that were ordered in 2020. To show they are not the same diamonds. Ronald says Erica, please explain what happened. I’m sure this is a good, there’s a good explanation. He then post the actual physical receipts from the jeweler. Okay. I mean, I didn’t see that. It’s incredible. First of all, definitely. It’s some sort of public Vendetta. I mean, he was even trying to purchase her home at some point. This is a legitimate offer.

B 34:38
Almost like he’s obsessed with her and I don’t know if there’s something that we don’t know about or if he’s just out for justice because he’s an attorney and he wants to see justice. I don’t know. What I do know is that this this woman’s life is a tele novella

B 34:56
every week, I mean

B 35:00
I don’t, it doesn’t matter what anyone’s opinion on her is the network. We’ll never get rid of her. How could they? Who will give up? She’s a cash cow. Her story is so interesting. And it’s sad because it’s like, obviously not the storyline she wants and she has absolutely no choice but to go along with the show, because it’s her income now. It’s just insane. To like, remember how she came on living high on the hog and like, it was almost like she was doing the show as a hobby. And now, all of this.

Amanda 35:33
Yeah, I mean, okay. I’m still not 100% Clear is what the implication is, is that what they’re saying is that the earrings got stolen. Then they got newer earrings that were low, what you’re saying is they’ve never actually stolen and they’re trying to like, swap out lower valued earrings. Okay. So they’re saying robbery that was was announced back in that they claimed back in 2006. Didn’t really happen. Right. And maybe they were doing like an insurance claim kind of thing.

B 36:08
Yeah, I mean, these people do get robbed a lot.

Amanda 36:11
Yes, they do. I mean, just you mean just the sororities or just all the housewives, just like all the housewives. I know they do. I was watching something where Erica Jane did the Sainte Marie Claire about jewelry and was showing like she showed the Cartier ring. She showed these hoop earrings that have not been part of any of these discussions. And then she showed those those big diamond studs, it’s definitely like, definitely check it out and look for it, because she literally She shows them and she talks about the robberies. And I don’t know. So you just can’t help but wonder if you know, Erika was just taking a lot of this at face value. I don’t know. It’s who knows if any of us will ever know. It’s such a mixed bag for me. I don’t think she knew about I don’t believe she knew about any of the legal stuff and whatever Ponzi scheme he was running with clients. Do I think it’s impossible to believe that Tom may have said to her? Listen, babe, I can get away with this insurance claim right here. Just what? I can see that? I don’t think I’m not saying she would rob from victims and burn and do all that Ponzi stuff. Do? I think she’s above a little insurance fraud now? Certainly not.

Amanda 37:27
I think Well, I think we’ll see. Okay, so since we’re talking Beverly Hills, Andy confirmed this week, what the cocktail hours have known for a few weeks because we posted this just a while back, saying that Beverly Hills will not be filming. Because you know, they usually film right around Thanksgiving through the holidays, but that they will be taking, and he confirmed that they will be taken a couple of months to sort things out. And we got an email. Do you want to read it? Sure. Subject. LVP is a no, but BG is a slight possibility. Vanderpump is not returning to Beverly Hills. Those rumors aren’t true. However, Brandy, on the other hand is eager to get back on TV. And producers are very interested to get her messy antics on the show.

B 38:19
I think this is a fantastic idea. For a few reasons. I think. One we would see and I know on the girl’s trip we saw like her acting very chaotic. But as a matter of fact, for Thanksgiving she posted apparently she was home sick. When she posted a picture of her son’s Leanne and her ex husband Edie all together and she said Happy is Happy Thanksgiving to my Modern Family. I’m home sick. So we weren’t able to all be together. But I love you guys. And I think that when we left brandy, obviously she was not in that place. I think it would be fantastic to see that evolution and even to see Leanne and Eddie on and just how, you know, people talk a lot of smack about brandy. And we get what we see on the show. And obviously there’s a lot of drinking on the show and all of that. But in real life, she has made amends with the woman who her husband cheated on her with, right, who is the step mother to her boys. And she did that? Because she’s a mother who wants to be as involved with her boys as she can and recognize that if she was okay with Leann, then she could be welcomed and hopefully that’s what she was hoping and Leann, you know, did that and so she pushed that aside for the betterment of her children. And I think that that would be fantastic to say, I think that she would bring the masses Well, I mean, could you imagine her and Lisa Rana on a team together, could you even imagine the match those two could create? Well, yeah, cuz I mean, neither of them are afraid to say whatever is on their minds. So I you know, I think Brandy is very endearing.

Amanda 40:00
I don’t know why but I just have always had kind of a special place in my heart for her. I would love to, I think she is great at bringing the mess and can bring the mess without any alcohol or any kind of substance. You know, she talks about also, like you need to do pot on the show, right? So, you know, maybe cut back on the drinks, but she’s still so capable of bringing that messiness and I am super always really invested in watching her and I’m always invested in cheering her on I would love to see her find, you know, dates and look for love and I think she would have a really interesting story because I think seeing for some reason seeing her dating life feels more exciting to be than watching Sutton’s dating life not that I don’t like certain I do like certain but I just you know, I think it was brandy it would be like fun and sexy and seeing her like get ready for dates and you know, do all of that. So I’m branching isn’t afraid to give us Massey and she isn’t afraid to be humble and honest. And those make the best housewives I agree with you I find her endearing to there are many moments where I cringe for her. But I feel like we always see her then cringe for herself and be like, I self sabotage. I don’t know why I do these things. I’m sorry. Yeah, exactly. And that’s part of it, too. I think of why we find her endearing because she admits her shit. Right. And yeah, so let’s see it. I would love to see it. So Amanda, you have a little deep dive for us this week. Okay, I have a couple actually, we’ll start with Taylor. So I was scrolling on Instagram, this week, and found a couple of things that I thought would be really interesting to share with the cocktails because we know Taylor is on OC now. So she was on ultimate girls trip. And then she would obviously it was one of the OGS on Beverly Hills. So reading around, and I can’t quite remember where which account I was reading on. So I’m sorry, guys, because I would tell you if I remembered I was literally having some insomnia. So it was up in the middle of the night, which is why I didn’t have like a notebook by me to like write it down, which is what I usually do. So this account was calling out Taylor Armstrong, who you know, who we know is now going to be on OC for possibly being a con artist. So here are a couple of the things that I found interesting that I think, you know if if we as a fan, didn’t know about the stuff I thought maybe you guys might not know this either. So Taylor is not her real name. Her name that she was born with was Shana. Lynette Hughes. Before she got married. She also went by Shana Taylor. She had a Ford and Taylor Ford. And apparently before she was married, she went to Russell she would tell people that Ford when she picked up that Ford last name that that had ties to the family who started Ford Motor Company. She is not actually from Oklahoma. She is from Kansas. She did go to high school in Oklahoma, though. So I guess on my watch what happens live, Andy asked her about her name change. And she said that Taylor was her maiden name. And that’s what friends called her. But what’s so funny is next to her yearbook picture, the name Shana Hughes’s there. And then this is where I’m like, where did my memory go on this because I don’t remember this. But this is so juicy. So Taylor, back in the one of the couple of seasons and she was back on, you know, Beverly Hills had said that Adrienne Maloof is her daughter, Kennedy’s godmother, and that she has known Adrienne a long time. Well, then there is also footage of Adrian saying, I’ve known Taylor for three years because our kids go to school together. But not saying like, Oh, we’ve been good friends for a long time or any of that. And it then like there was also I guess a moment on the Beverly Hills reunion where Andy asks Adrian about being Kennedy’s godmother. And it is so awkward, although like looks and like the little like micro just reactions in this like, minute of TV is so good, because when he asked that question, Taylor’s face immediately cringes. And then the camera goes to Adrian and Adrian like hesitates and says, Well, Taylor has asked me to be the godmother, but that’s a lot of responsibility that usually goes to someone in the family. I love Kennedy, but I’m not family.

B 44:58
Oh my god. Okay, so

B 45:00
I don’t remember any of this. But as you’re reading this, and neither of us are knowing about this, I also wanted to point out how much Bravo fan accounts have changed the landscape of housewives. Because if this was current day, the fact that she changed her name would have been investigated by an account and immediately, like, cold out. And wow. Like, yes. Wow, that’s all I can say. To me, I think, although I didn’t know about the specifics, it does not surprise me in the least from the very moment Taylor got on her screen, it was evident that she was a poser. She did not fit in. She didn’t know anyone in this world. And her and her then husband were very much trying to be a part of the world. I think as the season played out, that became much more evident. So yeah, Wow, interesting. I just, it is so funny to me exactly what you said that this has all happened. And we somehow missed it. So thank you to the Bravo that I was looking at in the middle of the night. I’m so sorry. I can’t remember which one it was to figure out who it is. And shout you out. Yeah, my insomnia. That’s the Adrian piece of it is wow. Because if you remember, I remember watching it. And I didn’t really know who Adrian was. But of course, I knew like the Maloof name. And then we know that they owned was at the Palm that they owned in Vegas. And they owned the sports team, which again, I’m not a sports fan, but so I mean, I remember like being like, wow, of all of them. She really, to me was like the Megabox. And so who does tell her try to, like, attach herself to and what better way like that is such an opportunistic thing to do to make your new rich friend your child’s godparents is such an obvious try hard move. Like yes, very manipulative. Of course, friends are often kids godparents. So it doesn’t necessarily have to be family. Like we know that Teresa. Dena is Teresa’s daughter, but they were friends for 20 years and not even to be friends for 20 years. But like a college friend or whatever, yes. Somebody you met a couple of years ago, you have one child. Now this was her fifth child. All right, you do run out of people, right. But your one and only child, you ask somebody that, you know, through school for a couple of years, who just so happens to come from a billionaire family. Mm hmm. Yeah, Fishy, Fishy, Fishy. Very fishy. Anyway, that you thought that was good juice. Okay, so I have another deep dive. But first, I just wanted to update everybody. Because I said that we would look into it on that whole Tom Gerardi Donald always situation. So you’ll remember that couple weeks ago, we talked about Donald alway, who is the new head of the LA field office of the FBI, and that the FBI out of that office is investigating the whole dirty key thing. And that Donald always mother was Tom’s secretary who had a rumored affair with Tom Doherty. And that Tom Gerardi bought, always mother’s house paid a lot of the mortgage for it. And now all the way, Donald all the way the sun is a half owner of this house. The article is all reported that the house was worth 1.2 million, which is what you know, raised a red flag for me. So I’m like, I don’t I don’t think you can buy by the way. So of course I went on Redfin, and Zillow, I forget which one because I use them interchangeably. Yeah, and you were right. You can’t even buy like a shop. The cheapest thing I saw was legitimately like a shack with I don’t even know what the inside looked like because it was being sold as is yeah, it was listed as a one bedroom one bath so it was and it was on a very very small piece of land and it was listed at 1.4 Yeah, everything else was like a small little thing was 3 million and higher. Yes, exactly. I mean, you guys like in Carmela see if you’re not familiar if you haven’t been you should go it’s it’s very quaint and very cute. It’s also very exclusive. They most of the houses there don’t have addresses they just go by the name so it’s like pink house by the sea is a name and there’s no address. There’s no street it’s just they people just are like okay, it’s the pink house by the sea and that that’s literally where the mail goes to is the houses all have that exclusive and it’s that exclusive so yeah, so of course I did some digging I found the house it is a two bedroom I don’t even remember if it’s two bath but two bedrooms small like 1600 square foot I mean not tiny but 1600 square foot house know that was sold in 1985 for 425,000 and

Amanda 50:00
And now Redfin estimates it to be worth 2.9 million. Well, Mike, that sounds about more, right, because it’s still a small house on a small piece of land, but still, right. So anyway, that you guys would want to know that. Oh my gosh, I just, I,

B 50:16
I know, I should stop being surprised. But I feel like we all still are surprised. It just keeps coming.

Amanda 50:25
All I know is when all of this stuff gets settled, we need Mike White, who does the White Lotus to do the TV show. And it’s got to be a series, it can’t be a movie, there’s just way too much. And it needs to be like the crown right where it like starts back in the 80s. And then it goes to where he meets Erica and then it goes into the future of like, when they’re living high off the hog and we could just see like that what that was like, and we see all the affairs and the Jets and the two jets and then we see Erica and we see her change and okay, I love putting it out there ladies, you know, the dirty John set in the 80s. Which by the way, this is so funny the cocktail is you’re gonna laugh when I say this. So we were posting about shows like that were worth watching or whatever. And someone said dirty John and I shared it and I wrote, oh my god, especially the one with Kevin Bacon. And so, like, did you see this? Rob was like, what? Which one was Kevin Bacon and someone writes B? I think you mean Christian Slater. And I’m like, Oh, right. But like to me and I know they don’t look alike, but they’re like so interchangeable because they’re, they were famous like when I was little like very young and I don’t know, they were kind of I don’t know, famous around the same time to me, they’re interchangeable and everyone it was so I don’t know, I got a kick out of it. And a lot of cocktails got a kick out of it too. But I love stuff set in the 80s so I would love to see Erica in her 80s fashions and all that yes, I agreed and but it has to be like somebody like Mike wait somebody who would do the show really well. So or whoever did dirty John would be good too. Yes that that would they would be good too. And I agree both the dirty John’s were so good. So my treat because we have a third mini deep dive we do. I have to tell you I personally was outraged at that Balenciaga I add I immediately post so I looked on house and habit which if you guys don’t follow she does these very intense deep dives. To be fair, I don’t even understand half of this stuff just goes that deep. I don’t mean about this I mean about her other ones because they get like very political and like honestly very creepy and I don’t even want to understand some of it. But this was so creepy. was worse than creepy. It was deplorable. It was disturbing. This advertisement and so like I just tweeted out like I’m not sure which a list or needs to hear this. But where is like, where when are we going to condemn this ad campaign? Like Balenciaga, they all wear it. I mean, from Kim K to Dori to Garcelle to Nicole Kidman. I mean, everybody’s wearing Balenciaga, and they do this disgusting and you’re gonna get into it. Shout out to Lola and Justin Anderson, who are the only two celebrities I have seen address it. And Lala actually commented on my post and she was like, Thank you for posting this. She posted a lot of her own stuff. As to Justin Anderson. The silence is deafening. It is it’s insane to me. And we’re gonna talk we’ll talk a little bit more about it because you guys, so I didn’t know about it until be posted about and then I start to look into it. I’m like, What is this? This is so crazy. So I’m just going to explain it. And if you guys haven’t, I think a good place to start is if you haven’t looked it up just Google Balenciaga ad and then so you can kind of picture this in your head. And so you’re gonna want to look, there’s two sets, which we’ll talk about, but the first one we’re going to talk about was their first holiday campaign for this year for 2022. It’s disgusting, honestly. So blondes Yaga did they call it their holiday campaign featuring their new line of bags like purses that look like demented teddy bears in s&m gear? Fine. If you’re an adult, anyone aware something like that, but in the ads are small children, like six to eight years old. One of them even drunker. Honestly, yeah. The one that I’m thinking of right now that I’m about. I mean, the girl is like, four. Yeah, four I would say. I agree. This like little girl whose looks like about four lying eight year old makes it any more appropriate? No, it’s just either way. It’s all it’s all just you guys. You just have to see it. One feature is a girl laying facedown on the couch and she looks super out of it. And then she’s surrounded by this room where it looks like either a party is about to take place or just did their champagne glasses, candles and then like, blends Yaga stuff kind of like laid out and then there’s also

Amanda 55:00
Like a beanbag chair and like normal stuffed animals, but then there’s the demented SNM bear bags, so disturbing for me just there because we’re gonna go into like, really, really sick shit. But just there the fact that you have an ad campaign with, you know, toddlers and young children in an atmosphere that it looks like there was a bender

B 55:28
is disturbing. And he’s looked like drugged Yes, she’s and she’s laying face down and out of it. Like no light in her eyes like no engagement like her eyes are open but there’s complexion is almost like that gray look like when a kid is sick or Yeah, right. So yes, that alone, disgusting, awful. I cannot imagine what parent would let their child even be in something like that. And then it’s it goes, it’s gross, it gets worse. So another one shows a little girl standing in front of her Balenciaga branded bed. And then on the floor, next to her feet are the Balenciaga. s&m bear bag. Looks like a dog collar. So there’s some stuff on there that I don’t even know what it is. And it doesn’t. Let’s just say that it doesn’t look appropriate. Period. There was another one the same girl from the first one that I mentioned this time, though. She’s standing on the couch still with that, like dead look in her eye. And in this one, there are papers on the table. And if you zoom in the papers are a court case that has to do with child pornography. What what in the actual serious fuck. So this campaign goes out, there’s immediately backlash about it. So Balenciaga takes it down, which sidenote, and like a million people who work in media, not a million, but a lot of people like, messaged me, and we saw them post publicly. A campaign of this magnitude needs to go through so many checkpoints that it is absolutely an impossibility that the higher ups EPA, Lindsey Agha did not know about this. Right now. Maybe they didn’t take a magnifying glass to look to see what those papers were about, but

B 57:21
all curated and looked over. Yeah, bullshit. Oh, yeah. No, the people who created the whole shot all No, but I’m just saying like, if it’s like a higher up who’s just looking they might not have taken a Mac. But regardless, it’s disturbing without knowing what’s on those papers, right? Seeing that environment seeing these kids who have drugged out seeing I mean, the bears are, they’re demented, looking like the eyes aren’t mad, like they look like they’ve been like, beat up like one of the bears has this like lock around its neck, that I guess one of the other ads shows a man with a key around his wrist like it’s so many layers of fucked up without even knowing what’s on those paper. So blenz Yaga takes that down. Then they replace it with another quote unquote holiday campaign, apparently from the same creative director whose name is Demna. Give a Salia. I’m sorry, if I’m saying that wrong. This is where it gets really nuts. Right? Because like, okay, shame on you for the first thing. But then this next one, the new image is a man who was wearing an all black like over striped pin suit suit pinstripe suit and sunglasses. In the background in this like office area is where he’s standing. Looks like a diploma and then some books. So again, you would think because of the backlash of the first campaign, they would look really hard at what is in this room while they didn’t. Or maybe they didn’t they didn’t give a shit because the person’s name on the diploma is John Philip Fisher. And who is that you would ask? Well, John Fisher is an 80 year old man who was accused of sexually abusing his granddaughter for years, starting when she was four years old. And why in the absolute freaking world would this be a name that you would glorify by putting it on visible diploma in a Valencia ad? And I would like to say if you go to Kim Kardashian, oh, that evening, so this is all happening and that evening, Kim Kardashian posted a Tiktok to a song I don’t care. And she was dancing around and apparently I’m not. I don’t really know what Balenciaga sweatsuits look like because obviously I don’t own any, but apparently she was wearing a Balenciaga sweatsuit, so like, that can’t be a coincidence. She has not spoken out none of these stars. Now this is all going on for days at the time of this recording right now. Nobody has spoken out if you go to cams, because everyone’s calling on cam because she’s been

B 1:00:00
Basically, I don’t know if she’s the official spokesperson, but she wears it all the time. She’s always in their ads. I think she’s headlining one of their advertisements. People are writing, we don’t want to hear about what skims you’re dropping, we want you to speak out about Balenciaga. My feeling is, this has to hurt her financially. I mean,

B 1:00:18
why is she not speaking out? What amount of money that can’t imagine, though, that there could be any amount of money that a fashion house would pay her that she couldn’t walk away from? Right? That she’s a billionaire? Like, right, even if they’re paying her $20 million, unless somehow she’s tied into their stock and their whatever, like, unless they made her like an owner behind the scenes, and even still, I don’t give a shit you have how many kids for? And you guys, I don’t know if you’ve? So if you’ll remember from she’s four Yeah, a couple years ago when she wore that thing, and it had the mask all the way up, right. And she was like, completely covered. A lot of their fashion has used like latex face cover mask, things where there’s only a whole like for the mouth. Like, if you start to look at all of it, it’s, it’s just, it just makes my stomach. And you know, what if an adult wants to dress themselves like that, although I don’t find it fashionable, that’s their absolute business, you’re of age or consenting, whatever. Yes. This ad campaign was disturbing just seeing those images, compounded with what we now know about the documents that were there and the diploma from a grandfather who was a child molester. It is disgusting. It is deplorable. And I am I am not a conspiracy theorists and I don’t even want to get into that. But I want to say that something is really freakin wrong that nobody is speaking out about this. Yes. And that’s what I was gonna say to like, the reason we’re using the word conspiracy theory is there’s all this other stuff and you’re welcome to kind of Google it stuff about the books in the background, like just just look it up. But it really makes it’s just it makes me feel ill and I cannot understand the the absolute silence from so many people like Garcelle you were it very, you know, very Wendy has worn it. Like, just come out and say like, I will no longer be wearing Balenciaga. Right. That is, that is so much better than this. Just absolutely nothing being said, silence. It’s nuts. It makes my stomach absolutely sick. I know it makes every one of us are sick over this, and I just for the life of me cannot understand. I really hope that somebody speaks out. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I think canceled culture, there’s a whole thing about it, but I’m sorry, I cannot companies that allow this to go on whether or not they knew like they need to be cancelled, you can’t be having any kind of subtext that is hinting at any kind of child abuse. It’s just disgusting and wrong. And I don’t give a crap, who looked at it, who approved it? Who whatever, like, you’re all responsible for it. And this is in your company’s name, and it’s disgusting.

B 1:03:12
And I think that they should be canceled. Yes. I mean, I don’t even know like, legally can the brand like glorifying pedophilia? Is that not illegal? Because if it’s not it should be? I would imagine it is I have no idea what they’re gonna do. I don’t know which we got an email, we actually we posted it for our cocktail or for our cocktail party won’t even go into specifics. But if you’re a cocktail, you’ll see that email and you’ll know what I’m talking about. But all that ever happens with with things is they just fire somebody, but like, no, there’s more than one person that should be accountable for this. And the brand should have to be accountable for this. Well, in this this creative mind, this creative director like this polling, the FBI needs to be looking into what this guy is doing. Because it just

Amanda 1:04:01
anyway. Okay, well, I think that’s all we have for this week by on such an angry note, but we’re angry about it. Yeah, and everyone should be angry about this, like if our kids are not being protected. And this kind of shit is being glorified, like all of our children are a danger. Absolutely. So that yeah, that’s all I think we have this week. But thanks again, you guys, for those of you who have joined are who are planning on joining the cocktail party crew, we are starting to have a lot of fun over there. And we just appreciate this community that that you guys are so willing to jump into with us. We really do. And as time goes, we’re going to be putting more and more stuff there and now that we’re alive, we hope you guys are enjoying the community where we can chat back and forth. I plan on hopping over there more so this week because you know, we just went

B 1:05:00
Live. So I look forward to chatting with all of you guys. And thanks for tuning in till next time. Thanks guys

Amanda 1:05:14
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B 1:05:53
So thanks for listening, everybody. Bye guys. See you next time.