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Show Notes:

07. Who slept with a producer? Who’s in anger management? There isn’t a spin-off?! Housewife switching cities?


Traveling housewives, including two former friends on a PJ together are making us go “Hmmm…”. RHUGT, Denise Richards and Charlie Sheen’s daughter on OnlyFans, the drama around the OG’s housewarming during filming of RHONJ, and B and Amanda play “guess which housewife”. Plus, as always we have exclusive tea you won’t find on or on Instagram at @bravoandcocktails_

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B (00:00):

So now you have fans where they’ll basically tune into the network. I mean, if I’m home and I’m doing laundry or I’m around the house, I just keep Bravo on and whatever’s on is on

B (00:17):

What’s up. Cocktailers welcome to cocktails and Casa, the podcasts where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re gonna spill the tea. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds, and all of the hottest scoop from Bravo and And as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our wines B

Speaker 3 (00:40):

And I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tea

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Amanda (02:52):

So B last week we discussed this whole theory about why everybody is saying, no, this is never gonna happen. You are still holding out hope for Bethany to return to the rumored wheel housewife of New York legacy edition. And then this week on social media, we see Jill and Bethany on a flight together.

B (03:22):

We did see this and I was scrolling through and I saw Bethany’s post. And I was like, this is too good. I mean, this is like exactly what we wanna see <laugh> so I’m looking at the picture and I just see them and I just repost and just get excited that they’re together. Obviously the assumption is it’s a run in, we know that well, okay, so I’ll talk through it and then we’ll get back. So I initially assumed they were both flying back from Florida to New York because we know Bethany goes to Florida, her fiances in-laws live there. And we know that Jill was in Florida visiting her dad for father’s day. So that was my initial assumption. Follower sends me a message that says that’s a private jet. And so it made sense. So I’m thinking they’re in a, and then you see a couple of other people in the background.

B (04:13):

Funny enough, one of them looked like Kyle, it wasn’t Kyle. It was actually a follower’s cousin who I’m waiting to follow up if she has any scoop, but no, so apparently, and I’ve learned more about aviation Amanda in the last few weeks than I ever <laugh> than I ever thought was necessary, but you know, all roads lead back to aviation. So kids, you know, pay attention when you’re learning about Amelia Airhart. So there’s companies, some are called there’s one exo jet or arrow. And so it’s a service. It’s not a PR, it’s a private jet, but you’re sharing it with five to six other people. And the prices, depending on peak season vary. But, you know, it’s significantly more than I would pay for a flight to Florida, but obviously a lot cheaper than my own private flight to Florida. So I’m assuming that it’s a coincidence they’re on this, you know, private jet through one of these companies together.

B (05:12):

But that same night we see Jill in a completely different outfit saying she landed in Westchester from her trip, her father’s day trip to see her parents in Florida. That was not the outfit she was wearing with Bethany. So the picture Bethany posted was not in real time. So I’m not sure where the two of them were together. Of course it’s possible. It was a coincidence. They were on a plane together. It’s also very possible that they were somewhere together. We know Bethany announced she has a new show coming out. And I don’t know, is it possible that Jill is gonna be on the show in some capacity? Is it possible that they were doing something else bra related? I mean, listen, it’s a wacky theory, but I do feel that it’s a strong possibility. I think that Bethany would come back to go up against Kelly, Ben, Simone, Amanda, we all remember listeners. I’m up here, you’re down here. And we all know who’s up here and who’s not now. So I don’t think my theory is as far fetched, as people may think it is,

Amanda (06:29):

Especially because of Beth caption on the post, which just said, what was it like she’s up here or she’s up there. I’m up anyway. It was definitely referring to that whole Kelly argument and on this post, and then you see them. I don’t know. And then my favorite was I saw that Andy Cohen had commented on Instagram about sending his production crew along with some certified checks. And I, of course I laughed out loud and then I prayed a little bit

B (07:03):

<Laugh> and I think that with Kelly Benon, that was a real thorn in Bethany’s side. And I think that she would welcome the opportunity to go toe to toe with her you’re back. You’re this big realtor in Manhattan, but yet you’re not a model. You’re not the big dog at the fashion show. If we’re all, if our old school, Ronnie listeners remember like Kelly knew everybody and she tried to act like Bethany didn’t, although Bethany was in that world too. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> it definitely was. Kelly had the higher rank at that point. That was how it was presented. So I thought that that was very telling again, Bethany is a marketing genius and it could totally be that she heard the buzz that Kelly’s coming back and she wants to tease us and her and Jill happened to be on a PJ together. I just, if it was from Florida, it would be a possibility. I mean, they could, they could have also been flying another time from Florida, but it was fairly recent. I have to think it was a different location. I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t know.

Amanda (08:09):

Well, and then, so real time that post we see, and then shortly after Andy posted that other post with him and Dre and Garel

B (08:23):

Yes. So I was kind of busy that day and I actually was going, sometimes I go through my DMS before I even scroll because, you know, that’s where the T is in my DMS. Right. And somebody sent me a picture that their friends sent them from France and it was Garel Dre and Andy shopping, like they had the Herme shopping bags and I was like, what is this? And then of course, when I went to Instagram, I saw that he had posted stories about them being at the festival and doing a whole Bravo themed. I know you, you can explain this better. Cause it’s it’s media related.

Amanda (09:03):

Yes. Well, okay. So F first, before we talk about that, cuz I do have some things to say about that. It felt like real time. I was, I guess I was really busy that day, but we see Jill and Kelly on a jet. We see Garel dere and Andy I’m like what? I texted you. I was like, what is going on? What is happening? I need to know

B (09:25):

NK chestain was there as oh yeah. Cause there was, there was a below deck aspect to this festival.

Amanda (09:31):

Right? Well, looks like at least the Garel jar, Andy Kate Chasteen thing is not related to whatever is going on with Jill and Bethany.

B (09:45):

So we also saw that day. This was all yesterday, the day before we also saw Ramona hanging out with Kelly, Ben Simone.

Amanda (09:53):


B (09:54):

And then after Bethany posted that picture, which may or may not have been in real time. We see, and we know the ladies are in town for the ultimate ex-wife ex Housewives trip to the, you know, Bluestone manner. We see Ramona hanging at her apartment with Jill who lives in the same building and Vicky mm-hmm <affirmative>. So it’s, I mean they want us talking obviously and they want us talking about Roni. You have Ramona with Kelly, then you have Jill and Bethany and then you have Jill and Ramona. So it’s all, it’s all li the stars are aligning

Amanda (10:33):

Well, it’s working ladies, we’re talking about you, but the whole thing that’s going on and forgive me people, I’m gonna say, I know it’s Khan and I’m gonna try to say Khan, but it I’ve also heard for many, many years being in the business can. So it’s C a N N E S. The place in France is what we’re talking about. But what is so interesting is when you and I were texting about this, I’m like, oh, that’s what they’re doing. That makes so much sense. Because if you’ll remember about a month ago, the Housewives did this big musical number in New York. Like it looked like a Vegas show with dancers and stuff. And that was for something called the upfronts. And that fronts is where ever channels and networks try to get advertisers interested in what’s coming up for their shows. Right? Correct. Yep.

Amanda (11:24):

So can con is doing the lions right now? And the con lions is like the, it’s like the Oscars of advertising. That’s where all the best ads get an advertisers get awards. So like think big advertisers like Koch and target and, you know, Proctor and gamble tide, you know, those are the big advertisers. They’re all going over there. It’s a huge party. It lasts for like, you go over there for a week, like Facebook throws a big party. There’s just all this, all this partying. Right. And I think what is so interesting is that, you know, NBC universal is the company that has Bravo and obviously NBC and some other channels. And they, I think it’s very interesting that they are doing this big kind of what they’re calling this Housewives experience. I read this article about it. And what I think is so really sets Bravo apart from really almost any other channel I can think of is people watch what’s on Bravo because they’re network fans almost as much as they are fans of specific show.

Amanda (12:39):

Right? Like I am a big, absolutely. Right. And so I think anyway, that to me is something that really, really sets Bravo apart. It’s why, partly why we talk about it so much. And we, you know, we’re all kind of familiar cuz any Bravo fan will tell you if, you know, they might not be, they might be, you know, real Housewives of, you know, Beverly Hills fans. But if they are folding lottery and doing stuff around the house and the, you know, one of the below deck seasons is on most likely, they’ll kind of still watch it, you know, because they’re fans of the network. So anyway, I just thought that was really interesting. And now also with them expanding with peacock, peacock is kind of starting to looks like to be their kind of proving ground for new shows. Right? So Miami for example, the new season of Miami, they said it’s gonna be on P peacock. But then after it got a lot of popularity and people were watching it, then they put it on Bravo. So I think they’re kind of using this as their place to tell maybe ancillary stories or to try out new content and see. So speaking

B (13:54):

And to your point, I think that that’s why they’ve gone in the direction of these Housewives trips, because they have people that they know. So now you have fans where they’ll basically tune into the network. I mean, if I’m home and I’m doing laundry or I’m around the house, I just keep Brava on and whatever’s on, is on. Right? So now you take it a step further and you have your Atlanta fan who sees, oh, Eva’s gonna be on this housewife trip. So she’s gonna tune in. She may not even watch New Jersey or New York. All of a sudden she sees one of the former ladies or ladies from there. And she next time that city is on, she tunes in for that city because she saw her on the ultimate girls trip mm-hmm <affirmative>. So I think that Bravo absolutely recognizes the power they have in their, you know, cross marketing their cities and interweaving them. I think that Bravo con showed them how popular that was and then COVID hit. And obviously we couldn’t mix people in the same right. Places because of travel restrictions and health restric, you know, all of, all of that, that nobody wants to talk about or remember, or let’s forget everything ever happened with that. Anyway, I see all that to say, Bravo absolutely knows the power they have in cross, you know, cross contaminating <laugh> yeah. Their, their cities and what great TV it makes.

Amanda (15:23):

Yeah. Let’s

B (15:26):


Amanda (15:29):

I mean, first of all, blue stone manner, if real estate could be a housewife, Bluestone manner would be a housewife. I mean it,

B (15:39):

Bluestone manner would be the OG of real estate because that is, I mean, there’s, there’s a few iconic properties,

Amanda (15:45):


B (15:46):

Sonya Morgan’s townhouse, which I was in by the way, I’ll tell that story. If we have some time, that’s a good story we have of course, Lisa Vanderpumps house to me, whenever they do those polls, you know, on Instagram or whatever, where it’s like, which house would you pick? It’s like, yes. Give me a house with like a modern day moat at, with swans. Yes, please.

Amanda (16:07):

Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. Well, so ultimate girls trip ex-wives club is starting. That is it’s starting soon. We won’t say when, cuz we are recording this a little bit before, but we have what Andy is calling the quote unquote dream cast, crossover of Housewives. So let’s talk. Why don’t you share with us who is on this season?

B (16:37):

So we have from Beverly Hills Taylor Armstrong and Brandy Glenville from New York city, the one, the only Jills ADA from Atlanta, Eva and Fedra from OC, Tamara and Vicky. I just, I, so I wanna say this and I don’t mean this as an Intel because all of these women in their own right. Are iconic, but they’re also very thirsty. And the reason I say that is not because I, I don’t mean that they’re thirsty in a general way. I mean that all of them were on the Housewives for a long time, but it’s been a long time. So, and they’re all dynamic personalities. I mean, I’m looking at this list and I’m trying to see who the common one is. You know how we always have a common one like in Jersey, it’s Melissa GOK in Atlanta. Maybe it’s candy when she’s not fired up. Yeah. So we always have a common one. I don’t, I can’t think of a common one. I mean maybe Eva is. I mean, if we’re gonna say Eva’s the common one, that’s really

Amanda (17:39):

<Laugh> I know.

B (17:40):

Or Taylor

Amanda (17:42):

Taylor’s the breaker, the breaker upper of fights, right? Yes. And then PRA Dorinda, well, NoDa is not

B (17:53):

Dorinda is anything, but come

Amanda (17:55):

Fedra is queen of the one liners and the more like the silent, but deadly jabs. Right? Like she’s not gonna probably yell, but she’s gonna say some stuff. She

B (18:09):

Also manipulates other people. I mean, yes. That’s, that’s the reason she’s not on Atlanta. We all remember that she manipulated Porsche right into which, I mean Porsche’s got her own mind and I’m just saying she is a puppet master. Yeah. F is a puppet master. We have Tamara and Vicky. I mean, Tamara is such a perfect housewife and <laugh> and Vicky is so easily set off and Tamara, although they’re friends knows how to make good TV, she’ll keep herself in it, but she’ll start it. And it’s so the first girl show.

Amanda (18:46):

Yeah. Tell us what you’re hearing. I wanna know. Cause I know you’re hearing some stuff

B (18:50):

I’m hearing that it’s a completely different vibe. The first girls’ trip was really a nice trip. There were some things like there was Ramona’s being obnoxious and the girls being annoyed, but it was mostly like no big deal. I mean, we had Cynthia who was overly sensitive. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>, I’ll be honest. I think that Cynthia May have recognized that she wasn’t being asked back or maybe even new. And I think there was some of that playing into it. Mm-Hmm

Amanda (19:13):


B (19:14):

But it was mostly just a nice trip where we got to see all the women like together and kind of meshing together and all these different personalities. This is going to be chaotic. It’s gonna be the mess that we know and love. You have Vicky insulting, a historical mansion. I mean <laugh> and she’s still defending herself. There was an interview with et and she’s like, it is in the middle of nowhere. It is old and Bryce SA whatever Sadler, Sandler, excuse me, was like, okay, like Vicky, it’s a historical mansion. And she’s like in the middle of nowhere and historical means old and Tam’s sitting next to her like, but do you understand why Doda may have been offended? So then she’s like, so then he goes and you sent her a thousand texts. She said, Vicky’s like a thousand texts. What are you talking about? Who has time? I don’t have time to send a thousand texts. So Tam’s like, gimme your phone. So she starts reading the text, which we’re not in the thousands, but they were in the, you know, hundreds <laugh> and she, she says to her Vicky says to Doda, I’ve worked hard my whole life and I was never gifted anything.

Amanda (20:20):


B (20:20):

Geez. So then it flips to do’s interview with the same guy from et and Dorinda says gifted, anything. My husband died. Who else would it go to?

Amanda (20:30):


B (20:30):

My gosh, which is a good point. And it just reminds you that Vicky will throw a bomb and defend it. And like, not apologize, she’ll give up. Well, but like she was coming for her. She was clearly being shady, but she won’t admit it. And I mean, Dorin is the wrong one.

Amanda (20:49):

I mean, are Vicky and Ramona, I feel like they do a lot of the same stuff.

B (20:53):

The parallels are incredible.

Amanda (20:55):

Right. It’s so

B (20:57):

As you’re talking and west coast version of each other,

Amanda (20:59):

I know, cause it just sounds like something Ramona would do. And then Ramona would be like, I, what, what did I say? That’s wrong? <Laugh>

B (21:06):

Ramona almost gives a better fake apology. Like I don’t believe she means it, but Vicky really doubles down. Yeah. It’s just, it’s old and it’s in the middle of nowhere.

Amanda (21:14):

She digs her heels in. I am really curious to hear how Tamara behaves, because I think Tamara is one of those people who is so she’s like a really good, she’s a good friend. I think to her friends, I think she is no shrinking violet. So if somebody starts something with her, then she’s like Uhuh, she will drink and she will party. So I’m just really like, I’m so excited to see her on TV. So I’m really curious to kind of see what happens. And Tamara is also really good at kind of storing up, which again, we love her for

B (21:52):

Tammy’s there to make good TV. Tamara’s not there to make friends. So, you know, that’s why her podcast is so successful. And you know, that’s why we spoke about it last week. And it’s funny after we, after we spoke about it, I heard other people say that. So that’s basically confirmed that little tidbit we had that she wasn’t being asked back because of the podcast, because she’s so controversial and mm-hmm, <affirmative>, she’s willing to say what other people shy away from and she’s that way in confrontations too. I mean, she’ll say it and it’ll be the truth. And she probably isn’t supposed to say it <laugh> and that’s why she was such a gem at the end of OC. It got a little bit aggressive. And I think that she is somebody who can take constructive criticism and work it through mm-hmm <affirmative> so I think she’s gonna give us, I think, and it’s I think it’s only six episodes or something like that. Yeah. So, but it’s jam packed, made everybody cry according to both Vicky and Tamara,

Amanda (22:48):


B (22:49):

You have to imagine it’s a lot of pressure. Right? Right. So it’s one thing to go to Turks and CAOs and stay in a luxury resort. That’s nobody’s responsibility when it’s your own home, even though I’m sure Bravo obviously is paying for cleaning crew and, and Butler’s or, or whatever it is, it’s still your home. There’s still a sense that especially Dorinda we know likes to make it nice. <Laugh> yeah. And she’s, she’s an entertainer and she’s entertaining women who are there to make a splash. So I could just picture her after, you know, two martinis putting them in their place.

Amanda (23:20):

Well, I read that. I read and it might have been from you actually that Dorinda cried halfway through and she realized she was only halfway through <laugh> yes. The whole situation. And I can only imagine how seeing those personalities in your space for that long. Yikes.

B (23:40):

Has anyone checked on the Bluestone manner? <Laugh> is it still there? Did it still standing

Amanda (23:45):

Your God? I hope so. I hope so. If people mess with Bluestone, like they’re gonna, they’re, they’re messing with a lot of us fans because we all love that Bluestone is historic and think it’s iconic.

B (23:58):

So we’re, so we’re getting that. And we’re also getting Southern charm and I want to, I don’t even wanna speak on Southern char until it airs. We’re getting a lot of people back. We’re getting Naomi back who left in quite the, you know, kind of like, I don’t need you way. Right. But you see, you see in the preview, she kind of, you know, eats a little Crow for that because you have to similar to what Stasi did when she left and came back. I do know that Naomi hooks up with Whitney. Did I tell you that

Amanda (24:30):

I happened to know that from talking to you? Yes.

B (24:35):

So <laugh>, I ha I, and I, you know, the Charleston’s a small city and it’s funny cuz I hear a lot of things and it’s not from the cast. It’s like it’s small, they’re in public places. There’s a lot of drinking and people see and hear things and they are very happy to send it in to me. So she hooks up with Whitney, which she’s dating someone else. Now I, I guess it was a fling, but we’re gonna see it. And I think it hasn’t been in any of the, in any of the previews, but I know it happened and I can’t imagine that they won’t show that.

Amanda (25:07):

Well, we, I have some friends who live in Charleston, I’m gonna leave it at that. But I don’t know if we’ve ever talked about this or if this has even been something that has been discussed widely on the show, but for every one guy in Charleston, there’s something like 10 women. It’s this really? Because

B (25:30):

It’s like, yes, worse than Manhattan.

Amanda (25:31):

You know what? I shouldn’t even be talking about the stat before I looked it up. But as we were talking about this, I’m like, you know what I’m thinking? Like, why would Naomi do that? And I’m like, oh, I forgot because of this. It’s because of this crazy statistic. That is also partly why these boys like live in never, never land and don’t have to grow up is because there is always another young lady who’s cuter. And there’s, I mean, if you’ve ever been to Charleston, like the women, there are absolutely gorgeous. So there’s a women’s school there. And anyway, I forget why all the contributing factors are for that, but that is a big part of it. And I think that’s a big part of why these guys get away with so much crap. Well is because there are women.

B (26:21):

Yeah, absolutely. But in Naomi’s case, I think there was a little something more to it. What I heard and again, this is not verified. This is a rumor. Was that production. She didn’t just kind of like flip off the cash. She flipped off production and you know, production. They’ve had the same crew for years and years. And what I heard is seeing is how Whitney is a producer that had something to do with it. Gotcha. Because she was intense. I I think also, and I don’t blame her for this. I’m sure I would wanna be back on it for this too. We know that the ex-boyfriend Maul, he cheated on her. And one of the reasons she left the show is because he really didn’t want her to be on it. So I think the reason she wanted to get back on it so bad was like a F you to him.

Amanda (27:07):

Thank you. Yeah.

B (27:08):

More than like her own desire. So I think she just was willing to do what she had to do to get back on it worked. Let’s let’s do what they show us.

Amanda (27:18):

Yes, I am. So looking forward to that being on,

B (27:22):

But I feel like we have to wait until it airs and we see like the full episode to like have a real discourse on it. Totally. And I’m gonna have so many opinions and yeah.

Amanda (27:34):

Yeah. Well, let’s talk, let’s let’s change subjects because there’s been something that’s been kind of going crazy on social media and now I’m even seeing it being reported in more kind of mainstream on my like news feed on the internet, as far as this kind of stuff I don’t usually see. So Denise Richards from real Housewives of Beverly Hills used to be married to Charlie sheen. And as we know, they have their daughters and their daughter Sammy just turned 18 and posted that she is now on only fans.

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B (30:20):

Hot topic. So for those of us that didn’t know what only fans was. We saw it mentioned a lot on real Housewives of Miami, right? Because LAR saw there was, that was the big joke that she made so much money on pictures of her feet. Well on only fans, only fans is it can be anything from, you know, pictures of feet that people pay. So it’s a, it’s a, you have to pay to see these things, the

Amanda (30:46):

Subscription site. Yeah. Where you have to pay to see people’s content,

B (30:50):

Right? So sometimes it’s bikini pictures or sexy pictures. And I believe it goes all the way through like real deal pornography. So their daughter started an only fans account. She announced it on her Instagram. She was wearing a bikini in her announcement. The reality is she’s 18. It’s legal. I think that the shock to fans was we remember Denise’s, you know, season with the whole thing hooking up with Brandy. She was very protective because she didn’t want her daughters to hear about it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I think more so than that, Denise and Charlie are Hollywood stars. So when you think Hollywood, the average person thinks they have money. So you think to yourself, why would two Hollywood stars daughter need to earn money on a subscription only fans account in a bikini picture or whatever. So from that perspective, it certainly seems like an odd choice.

B (31:47):

It seems like a rebellious choice because you have to assume if she wants, you know, money to go to the movies with her friends or out to dinner, her parents would provide that. So it’s more of a statement. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> Denise came out and she publicly supported her daughter. And I like, you know, she, I like what she said, because she said, look, I did wild things and I did Playboy. I’m not a prude. I, I support my daughter. If this is the self expression or the something she wants to try, why shouldn’t I let her there’s there’s worse stuff on Instagram or on Twitter or any other social media platform, let her make some money. If that’s what she wants to do, Charlie comes out and he doesn’t support it. And he publicly like blames Denise, I mom shaming, Denise who took care of not only his two daughters with her, but also his other children that he had with Brooke Mueller when the two of them were high as kites and were unable to parent to shame her is so disgusting.

B (32:53):

I mean, his life was just debauchery from drugs and alcohol to the staggering amount of different, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> women he’s been with and all of the unsavory things that have come out about him over the years to pretend that he was some stand up father who gave this good example. I mean, and I always say, children do not do what you say. They do what you do. So how you conduct yourself ultimately, and they have a mother who conducts herself appropriately. So hopefully they don’t fall victim to that. I don’t think an only fan’s account is falling victim to that. But I, I certainly think that him having anything to say in a judgmental way towards his daughter or towards Denise was so out of line it’s bananas.

Amanda (33:41):

Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of thoughts on this too. And especially to kind of echo your thoughts, Charlie sheen, I believe it’s him who is very famous for saying, and the word hookers. I remember him saying, I don’t pay hookers to come. I pay them to leave. <Laugh> like, and that he would so publicly talk about, you know, that, hi, his habit of having sex workers, which I think is a probably better word to put it. But I also think when he said what let’s see, she is 18 years old and she’s living with her mother. This did not occur under my roof that well,

B (34:24):

She’s been living with her mother for her entire life, except yeah. There was a short period of time where she lived with you probably because she was being a teenager and her mother was setting down rules and you were just like, yeah, come live with me. Do whatever you want. Cause yeah, I’m not paying attention cuz I only care about myself.

Amanda (34:43):

Well, don’t say anything at all. Charlie, if you’re gonna come out and say this about your daughter, just don’t say anything at all. I think, and like Denise, I thought handled it so well when she’s like there’s, you know, lots of negative comments. I wish I had the confidence that my 18 year old daughter has. I also can’t be a judgmental of her choices. And like you said, she brought, brought up that she did wild things, which by the way, wild things was so controversial when it came out so controversial. So I mean good for her and you’ve gotta stand up for your daughter. And I just, I, I just, I’m annoyed with Charlie sheen, you know, again, if you don’t like it, I mean, but

B (35:22):

It’s on brand for him. So yeah, we shouldn’t, I don’t know why we’re still surprised by these, you know, these people who are hypocritical and judgemental and they’ve done nothing productive with their own lives.

Amanda (35:36):

<Laugh> <laugh> right. Right. Well, so going back to Housewives gossip, I’m hearing that Louis and Teresa, who we saw move into their house at the end of the season, I’m hearing they had a house warming party.

B (35:54):

Yes. So the great thing about the Instagram age is that if you’re paying attention and you’re a fan, you can follow all of their Instagram accounts while they’re filming and you kind of get a sense of what’s going on mm-hmm <affirmative> so we saw all the guys going out for a boy’s night. Well, not all of them, but like Melissa posted something, I know the new housewife, Danielle posted something like kind of like there, oh, they’re getting ready. They’re going out for a boys’ night. Okay. The next night was the housewarming. So I got a message from a trusted source that told me like Louis and Joey gorg had to blow out last night at boys night and he will not be attending. And I was like, yikes. So they show the house. Then you see them all getting ready to go to the housewarming party.

B (36:43):

But again, you can’t, if someone doesn’t post an Instagram story, it doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t go. Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, sometimes you post, sometimes you don’t post, but whatever happened was enough for Joe not to attend because he was not at the party stuff went down between him and Louie. You know, I, I kind of in my mind go back and forth. I wonder how much is the storyline? How much is really happening? I think we do know though with this family, there is so much muddied water that I’m not sure they’ll ever get back to like base mm-hmm <affirmative>. I think they were there when the prison thing went on, because I think they were all willing to just have tunnel vision and look at what was in front of them and what they had to deal with. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> I don’t know. They can get back there again. I mean, now the kids are older and they have their own opinions with I, which I think makes stuff a lot harder. And you know, now Louis’s a whole new guy in

Amanda (37:39):

It. Well, maybe Louis found out that Joe Gorka paid Ramona to leak the wedding invitation <laugh>

B (37:45):

<Laugh> well, I also, I found out something else, rumored rumored. Oh

Amanda (37:52):


B (37:52):

It’s rumored that there is in anger management. Hmm. I mean, I can really only think of two situations where there would willingly go to anger management. One would be court ordered, which, you know, thanks be to God we know not to be the case and the other would be Louis sanctioned <laugh> right. Because she is not a person with insight that can say, you know, I really need to slow my role. I had a bad season. I, I overreacted to a few simple questions. No, no. She would need somebody to say to her, like you have to stop overreacting and you have to learn how to manage your emotions, but word on the, the street. And I wonder if we’ll see it.

Amanda (38:37):


B (38:37):

You know, on this season as a, a rebranding opportunity, maybe, maybe there are deals that, you know, her performance led, you know, when she came out of prison, there was a lot of sympathy there mm-hmm <affirmative> rightfully so. And there was the whole Zen and Nama stay and she had a lot of different partnerships and things like that. And I think when you have an explosive season and you body shame and you know, you do all these sorts of things that really turn brands off mm-hmm <affirmative>, you know, I might not wanna buy the coffee that somebody who’s body shaming and aid shaming, and you know, all that kind of stuff. So this may be more of a rebranding than an actual attempt for help. But I think, I don’t know if we’re gonna see her in anger management. I have to imagine we will. Cause I think it’s part of a rebrand.

Amanda (39:27):

I mean, it should be interesting. I mean, her anger is I would say a big part of really what made her a start to start with. So I don’t know, but, or maybe Louis is really, you know, Louis has really turned, turned to leaf and then, you know, he is really rubbing off on Theresa. I don’t know. Also I keep meaning to ask you on this kind of same topic, Louis has an inspirational like page on Instagram. That’s like inspirational quotes.

B (40:00):

I, and I, I can’t think of the name of it.

Amanda (40:02):

We should, I don’t think we wanna mention it anyway, probably. Right, right. But right.

B (40:07):

Yeah. But yes, he has an Instagram that every day he posts like a quote like that. He makes

Amanda (40:16):


B (40:16):

Oh. And then he puts like his name and it’s an inspirational quote page. Oh.

Amanda (40:21):

So actually his quotes that he has said,

B (40:24):

I think so people have just sent them to me. I think some of them are famous, but like a lot of them are like, you know, authored by him, which I, I, I use authored loosely cuz it’s sort of like quotes we’ve heard, but reword it.

Amanda (40:36):

Right. Okay. All

B (40:37):

Right. So I don’t know where we’re going with that. Maybe a, maybe a coaster line that I could put my cocktail on. I dunno. <Laugh> I dunno.

Amanda (40:46):

Well, you were texting me yesterday that there is some interesting scoop on Chaz what’s going on.

B (40:54):

So this is a, B and C exclusive Bravo and cocktails from my cocktails. So we see, and we all see on Instagram again, MJ, Reza and Gigi filming. So we know they’re filming something. And my understanding was that Shaz was not picked up, but that the three of them were filming for Bravo. That still may be the case, but there is not a contract. It has not been picked up by any network. Last I heard, which was a few days ago, I hope that changes. I think it will. The three of them carried a successful series for a long time. I can’t imagine Bravo. Wouldn’t try it out. As we keep saying, they have peacock now mm-hmm <affirmative> but it’s not, you know, one of my sources share with me that it’s not a green lit show. It’s just something that’s being filmed with a production company right now. So I, I mean, I’m a little confused. Maybe one of them will reach out to me to clarify, but that’s what I’m hearing. And again, you know, these are allegations. I can’t say who told me, but I can say that I’m comfortable with that

Amanda (42:03):


B (42:04):

The kids.

Amanda (42:05):

Well, I think that would make sense if they don’t have a contract yet we perhaps see it on peacock as we’re seeing, that’s sort of the proving ground. So yesterday was the first official day of summer. So that means summer house has gotta be starting filming soon, but we’re seeing them in Europe. What’s going on.

B (42:27):

So the Europe thing, they’re all on separate trips. I know Sierra is in Paris and Paige was with her family in Capri. And then a couple days ago we saw Amanda and Kyle in on the Mai coast in Preo. And I think they’re headed to a friend’s wedding there. So it’s separate trips. I actually think that would be a fantastic idea to like send them to Europe and do like, you know, a fun summer house trip there, but that’s not, what’s currently happening last season. It was the same thing. May Memorial day passes and every follower’s like, why aren’t they filming? They start filming July 4th. I mean, it may be a couple days before that, but that’s their first party. That’s their first weekend. Or at least it was last season. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and this season back in the days, maybe they started Memorial day. I, I sort of remember that, but that’s no longer the case. I, the cast is coming back. I think that we’re gonna see some new faces, but we’re gonna see everybody. We’re gonna see everybody. I’m there.

Amanda (43:24):


B (43:25):

There’s a couple of people I’m not firm on that. Didn’t have as much air time, but we’re gonna see our main, our main folks are all back with us.

Amanda (43:35):

So Lindsay and Carl moved in together. Yes, we have Amanda and Kyle. So we’ll have at least two couples. Do we think Paige will also do we think Paige and Craig, what do we know anything about Craig yet?

B (43:52):

I can’t imagine Paige. Won’t be there. I know she’ll be there. I wonder will Craig do every weekend because obviously they’re, you know, exclusive. Yeah. And it’s a possibility maybe not every weekend. Maybe he’ll, you know, do a few weekends.

Amanda (44:08):

Well it coupled up and yes, we’ve got the tension coming in from last year, which I think will make for some good drama.

B (44:16):

We guys still seeing Oliver too.

Amanda (44:19):

Oh yeah. So we need, we need some single people. Cause we, Sarah, it sounds like Sarah might be single

B (44:25):

Mm-Hmm <affirmative> Danielle’s still with Robert and he’s back out in Mon talk. So they’ll both, you know, he’ll I think do, as he normally does, which is sometimes there sometimes not Luke. I don’t know. I mean, as far as we know, Luke is single. We know Andrea is coupled up, so maybe it’s G I don’t know. We we’re gonna have to see. I, yeah. I think that we can expect a great season because the reunion left us with a lot of strife amongst the cast. And that always gives you good drama. So, you know, they’re also growing up. I don’t wanna say growing up, most of them are in their thirties, if not their late twenties, you know, maybe we’ve moved past that, like hook up with a different person every weekend, but they’re still young couples with the exception of Kyle and Amanda. Nobody’s married. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and nobody has kids. So there’s plenty of room for the partying and the drinking and the strife amongst couples, which will be interesting and could sometimes be more treacherous than <laugh> two people fighting.

Amanda (45:24):


B (45:25):

So, you know, I think that we’ll see a lot of making up initially amongst I would say like Lindsay make and Danielle making up with Paige and Amanda from the reunion, but you know, as drinking, does people continue to hold quiet grudges that drinking brings out. So I think, I think it’s gonna be interesting to say

Amanda (45:49):

Let’s just let’s well, I don’t wanna, I was just gonna say let’s let’s help those people who don’t make any guest appearances this summer <laugh>

B (45:58):


Amanda (45:59):

Right. Like, I don’t think we need to see Austin. Sorry, Austin, but I don’t think we need to see you again this summer on summer house. I’m I think we’ll, we’ll see. Pretty. I

B (46:08):

Almost said they definitely won’t but then I’m like, if they wanna insert some mess. Yes. Maybe they would because <laugh>, we’re, we’re acting as if this is a real summer share house. Right. Obviously he wouldn’t be invited back, but this is being film,

Amanda (46:22):

So yeah. You never know nothing

B (46:25):

Is off

Amanda (46:26):

Nothing’s off the table. So speaking about the table on Beverly Hills, we just saw Sutton and Erica having this like kinda fun and light moment talking about online dating. I mean, yeah. What did you think about that?

B (46:43):

So I have to tell you that I really love to see it for a second. It reminded me of old Erica, who I think we all enjoyed. I mean, she always was icy, but she had this warm part of her. And I think they liked each other. I mean, they went, they had that battle because Sutton really called her out in a way that the other women weren’t prepared or comfortable doing. And Erica isn’t vulnerable enough to say to Sutton, you know, it was, it was a weird time I get, while you did it, she’s not willing to let her guard down enough to do that. But I think that their exchange at the table about Bumble and online dating, there was a warmth there from Erica that Sutton received, I think initially Sutton was still guard up and then she received it. And then you sort of Rena like, oh, it’s so nice.

B (47:36):

You know, Rena doesn’t want Erica to be friendly with Sutton because Rena wants her to be her watchdog. But I think that Sutton, Erica would take an apology from Sutton, but Sutton’s not gonna give it. I mean, we saw that at the beginning, which is why Erica cursed and acted crazy, but they’re both from the south and they had a friendship. And I think that when Erica warmed up at the table on that moment, it allowed Sutton to soften. And I wonder where it goes. And I, you know, we still have a lot of the season to go, Kathy’s coming with all that drama. It was a good look for Erica. I think I’m not even saying it was intentional. I think that Erica sometimes puts on too much of a hard shell for the show. And I think that moment reminded us that like, there’s a reason why Kyle and Garel and all the other will women, don’t just like throw the baby out with the bath of water because she’s got another side to her and she has been through a lot and the argument of what she knew or what she didn’t and all that obviously is still there.

B (48:36):

But yeah, you know, I don’t know. It was a good moment. I think if Erica plays it right, it could be a pivotal moment in the way we see her as viewers. It was a pivotal moment for me now let’s see where it goes. Cuz if it was just that you could forget it. Right. Right.

Amanda (48:51):

Well, I don’t know. I like to see it too, because it, it did kind of remind me, as you were saying of the, the Erica we first met and the little bit of warmth and I human kind of moment. So I thought was great. Okay. So we got, I think a couple of pieces of exclusive tea today. Let’s start out with the scoop about a housewife changing cities.

B (49:22):

This one is good. So from what I’m hearing currently, Bravo is in talks to transfer a housewife from one city to another. I don’t have confirmation on who that is. I have my personal idea, which I will share on who it is, but who do you think it is? Amanda?

Amanda (49:43):

I don’t know. I wanna play this game cuz I think this could be pretty entertaining. Well, one of the people that we know goes back and forth between Beverly Hills or I’m sorry, LA and orange county is Teddy.

B (49:58):


Amanda (49:59):

Right. Is this a current housewife? Somebody who is currently on or do we know that?

B (50:04):

So that is, that was not

Amanda (50:07):

Okay. Not shared,

B (50:08):

Maybe purposefully left out. I so I’ll probably give up.

Amanda (50:13):


B (50:13):

I think, I think it may be somebody who isn’t current. So Teddy, so Teddy with Tamara would be OC, but all the talk about like them not liking the podcast leads me to believe that like that would be like a, mm

Amanda (50:27):

Wait, I have another guess. Could I give another guess?

B (50:29):

Go. Yes.

Amanda (50:31):

Candy moves to Fort Lee, New Jersey <laugh>

B (50:37):


Amanda (50:38):

She’s up in New York

B (50:39):

And hangs out with Melissa and makes Melissa and Teresa make up.

Amanda (50:45):

Yes. So yeah. Or she, or according to Todd, she could commute into New York city from there.

B (50:51):

Right. She could be on legacy <laugh> <laugh>

Amanda (50:56):

Oh my okay. All right. Who’s your guest? Well, wait, like, I mean, it could be like Leah black, right? She is. Where is she gonna go in LA a lot. Right? You see her on Jeff Lewis? Like on in Jeff Lewis’s social.

B (51:10):

Wait, do you know what someone said to me today? Right? Why are Jeff Lewis and Leah black always meeting in Houston.

Amanda (51:17):

Oh, I don’t know. How do we even know that?

B (51:20):

I guess from the pod? I don’t know. I don’t know. Oh, somebody said that to me today. They said it to me in a way, like maybe she’s part of the new network. I don’t know. Oh, but something’s going on in Houston with Jeff Lewis and Leah black.

Amanda (51:32):

So interesting. Okay. Leah

B (51:34):

Black, Leah black is involved in the Bravo family in ways. I don’t see her coming back to Miami. I don’t even think she would wanna come back to Miami. I think it would be, you know, when she was on Miami, she was sort of like the mother hen to the, to the women outside of, of course mama Elsa. But she was like the mother hen of the women. And that role is these women don’t need her for that at this point. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> so she wouldn’t come back full time to Miami.

Amanda (52:00):

But Beverly Hill is what if she, or even OC? I don’t know where like, cuz I see her on. I see her in. I know she has a place in California.

B (52:12):

I’m watching from a fan. I hope it’s not her.

Amanda (52:15):

I don’t know. We’ll see. Okay. So who is, who is your guest?

B (52:20):

So my guess, if I’m being realistic in like what makes sense? Taylor Armstrong lives in OC. Now she’s on the ultimate trip. I mean you could pop her into OC. I think she would fit in better in OC than she ever did in Beverly Hills. And I think that, you know, we all want Tamara, we all want Vicki. We want like that solid person. Maybe that’s Taylor Armstrong

Amanda (52:45):

And you know what we need. I think that’s actually a such a good guess. And I would get behind that decision because I think we’re all hungry for a familiar face on OC, but something new. Right. And they can’t go back to the, oh gosh, what’s her name with the there’s with the crazy mom. But then I’m like, there’s two of them. They can’t go back to, I don’t think they’d go back to Broy and they can’t go back to the girl. What’s her name?

B (53:11):

Oh, they went back towin. I would like

Amanda (53:13):

What’s the other one with the, the brown hair with the

B (53:16):


Amanda (53:16):

Lydia, Lydia. They can’t go back to her again. So I don’t know. I think it would actually kind of make sense. So I hope that’s. I hope that’s right. That or candy going to New Jersey. Yes. Okay. So guys, third piece has to be the last piece because well it’s really what three and a half. But anyway, who’s counting, I’m counting. There are now three pieces of tea that we have not, you will not find on social media. You won’t find on the website. You will only find here by listening to cocktails and gossip.

B (53:51):

So this is an email that I got makes sense to me. So I’m reading it from the boys who done it, email Dallas subject R H O D. Bravo has been slowly talking about real Housewives of Dallas. They have parted ways with the original production company and have enlisted another one led by someone familiar with Housewives. There have been conversations about what a refreshed Dallas would look like. Example outside of Highland park, talking to sports wives, et cetera. Hmm. It’s possible one or two familiar faces may have been approached. I’m sorry. May be approached maybe. So this is like talking stages.

Amanda (54:43):


B (54:44):

I also think production companies love us. So they love to send this to us to kind

Amanda (54:49):

Of <laugh> help sell their shows. Right. <laugh> okay. So I know you and I do not agree about Dallas. I wanna say two or three years ago. It was, I thought the best housewife show that year. I was so into it. I wanna say it was the last year that Leon was on. And I mean it, I thought it was so entertaining. I thought it was just the right amount of crazy and not feeling overly produced. So I would love to see Dallas come back now.

B (55:19):

I liked, I liked Dallas the first couple of seasons.

Amanda (55:22):


B (55:23):

What happened with me was when there was so much scandal behind the scenes. Yeah. And stuff was always like, you know, in the blogs and it never got addressed under the wrong the same way I feel about yeah. Yeah. Same way I feel about Beverly Hills. I wanna hear about that. So like when I watch this like other stuff, it’s like, all right, well that’s okay. But I know there’s really stuff going on. Yeah. I also wanted to say one thing.

Amanda (55:48):


B (55:49):

Two of the people who are dedicated cocktailers this is like a three prong event. Okay. And you know, it’s a little bit of a commitment.

Amanda (55:57):

Well, I think this was such a fun conversation. Love chatting with you. Always

B (56:03):

Love chatting with you.

Amanda (56:06):

All right. Thanks everybody.

B (56:07):

Thank you guys for listening

Amanda (56:09):

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B (56:47):

Thanks Amanda. See you next time guys. I have to share my hangover cure. It’s not really a secret because all of my followers and friends know Ivy

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Amanda (58:08):

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B (58:50):

Has gotten me kicked off Instagram. Yeah.

Amanda (58:52):

Multiple times. Yes. And so now we’re smarter and we just put it at Bravo and cocktail stock when you

B (58:58):

Know better, you

Amanda (58:59):

Do better. <Laugh> so thanks for listening everybody.

B (59:02):

Bye guys. See you next time.