Podcast 213: Who’s Tracy adding to her cart? Amanda is not a victim; Something we haven’t seen on Bravo before

Tracy is here and making us laugh from the jump. Go Knicks, and go Bravo and Cocktails – because we’re both having big weeks. Cocktailers knew that Jennifer Lawrence was the one who helped Andy figure out who recorded the audio leak from the Summer House reunion. Lots of people laughed about this and didn’t believe us. But we were right. It was confirmed by Zaddy Andy himself – and we have details about how it all went down. Tracy is adding Kyle Cooke to her cart. Jesse Solomon has worked his way (back) into our hearts. Are we all buying into Amanda’s damsel in distress act? Nope…co-host Amanda has some strongly worded thoughts on this. We’ve got intel on the new Summer House cast…and a theory that you’re not hearing anywhere else. Tracy’s thoughts on In the City…and what we’re seeing for the first time on Bravo. And egg freezing … why it can be life changing.

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Transcript from Episode 213

I mean, ladies, this dick must be good. Okay, this dick is so good that after you have it, it makes you forget that the person attached to it is a manipulative liar. Like, this dick is so good, it makes you screw over your best friend to be selfish and lose all your brand deals. And this dick is so good that after Mother Hubbard tells you that your man is telling people you are obsessed with him and lies about you, you go to Italy and I’m sorry for saying dick so much.

Welcome to Cocktails and Gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tape. We chat reality TV, celebrity blinds, and the hottest tea from bravoandcocktails.com. And as always, it’s all alleged and just for fun. We do not verify our blinds. I’m Bee, and I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s teep. What’s up Cocktailers? Amanda? Our girl Tracy? Wahoo! Hi Bee. Hi, Taylor. It’s hard Tracy. We’re so happy to have you this week.

We’re going to have to discuss the sex on Love Island with you because last week I was like, I haven’t watched it. I don’t know. I did a poll and 80% were like, “Don’t bother because people that watch it are like you don’t need to cover it.” I’m going to tune in here and there. I don’t know. I’m trying so hard you guys because I told you I will do it for two weeks. So now what I’m fighting myself doing is watching it on my peacock app on my phone and just kind of fast forwarding every little bit.

And then I’m still only four episodes in because I’m just not into it. Well, your resident horn dog, as you so wonderfully called me, and I wear that badge with honor. I’m only one episode behind. I usually watch it during the day, so I have to watch last night’s today. But we could definitely discuss. Should we save it for bonus? Yeah. Even people who are like Love Island people are saying this season isn’t as good. I think that I feel like sometimes it needs time.

Yes. And I’m going to tune in for Siara of course. Duh. And also, can I just say, what a week to be a cocktailer and what a week to be a New Yorker? And if you’re a New York cocktailer, holy shit, people were women. Amanda, last week I spoke to you about how this time of year is stressful because of New York state regions. Tracy knows exactly what I was talking about. I don’t know if you saw the real I share. It was this guy and he was like, you cannot be a proper Knicks fan if you’ve never sat for New York state regions.

And I was like, Oh my God, we just spoke about it. So true. I went to bed, Tracy. I went to bed and I hear screaming in my house. My husband and my son. I was like, what happened? They won by one point. The next. I was like, well, city was vibrating. I honestly, I was out to dinner with my girlfriends. I came home. My husband’s like, the Knicks are losing. I went to bed. I woke up. My husband woke up. He goes, Holy shit. The Knicks won. I’m like, get the fuck out of here.

Yeah. That was my reaction. I think the whole country minus maybe one state is rooting for the next. Like my husband and I, because I was, we were doing something last night and so like, Oh, I don’t know what happened at the game. And so we were watching. He’s like, Holy shit. They lost or they won with they were down. And then they like just with one point with one second. Latina. We watched it together. This is a podcast now guys. Sorry. Yes. Brought to you by Jeff Staps.

I wore a Knicks t-shirt today because my crazy father bought us all mixed t-shirts. Oh, yeah. And I said, of course I’ve worn a jersey. You know, I get. Okay. When we were in college, Jersey dresses, do you guys remember Jersey dresses? Yes. I want you to know that me and my husband wore, I wore the Jersey dress and he wore the Jersey like we should have been job role in J.Lo in a music video. Actually, I think I thought we were. And I don’t think I’ve worn a Jersey since and I wore a t-shirt today, a Knicks t-shirt.

Look, I mean, okay. Well, I can’t remember the last time. I guess it’s 9/11 because in our city and state, you have the bills, the Jets and the Giants. So we’re not united. Then you got the Jets and the Mets. I mean, Yankees and the Mets, not united. Islanders, Rangers, not united. And so this is, I mean, there’s the Brooklyn Nets, but like everybody’s a Knicks fan now. So. Yeah. Oh, so good. Let’s go. Does Jay Z own the Nets. Yeah, he’s partial, partial owner.

I feel like I’ve seen every celebrity at the game except him. He must be so pissed. Truly. Okay. Well, you mentioned it’s been an exciting week because in our neck of the woods, meaning the bravo verse, this has been a very, very exciting week. And then also just for us as be Amanda and Tracy. So a couple of highlights. So you guys know, but we were once again, bravo and cocktails mentioned and highlighted on in the city. We’ll talk more about that in a minute.

But back when the recording of the summer house reunion came out. There was a lot of talk about where it came from. And then Andy Cohen comes out and says, okay, we know where it came from. Well. April 27th. Be made a meme saying that Jennifer Lawrence was the person who helped Andy figure out who on the summer house reunion set. Leaked or recorded the audio that was then leaked. So you girls will remember there are some things that we post that people are like, eh, I’m not sure about this.

We’ll wait. This was slammed by basically everybody except accounts that we’re friends with. Celebrities were like Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah. Okay. Bravo fans are crazy. Now I was not allowed to share any of the details. So I have permission. I actually got permission this weekend to post on Monday, which I did. So ahead of Andy announcing, I had already made the meme and that was just public. I just put it out there and let everybody go. What is this wacko talking about?

And then this Monday, Andy announced on Tuesday, I gave the details in cocktail party. So if you’re a subscriber, you know, but we’re going to fill everybody in now. Follow this because it’s a lot of friend of a friend. Okay. I was contacted by a friend of a friend of a friend and they told me it was Jennifer Lawrence. They gave me some details and they asked me not to share the details, but I could make the meme just saying it was Jennifer Lawrence who helped Andy.

Then this weekend on Saturday, I get a DM and I was told I can share these details, but wait until Monday. And the details of the second source match the details of the original source. So now two separate people are telling me that. So here it goes. Jennifer is in a book club. Somebody in that book club received a text from the Bravo employee who recorded the audio on the summer house reunion set. Jennifer Lawrence assistant went home, called Jennifer Lawrence, shared it with her.

Jennifer Lawrence picked up her phone called Andy and that is how Andy found out who the Bravo employee who recorded the audio was. So they texted somebody in Jennifer Lawrence’s assistance book club who shared it with Jennifer Lawrence. We got it. Okay. Okay. Now, there’s the person who recorded it, which is the Bravo employee. The leak was first heard on Reddit, not a Bravo account, not myself, not, you know, after the fact everybody rewrites history.

It was leaked to Reddit. We do not know who the leaker was. My guess and the unanimous guess is that the person who recorded it, the Bravo employee who has since been fired, sent it to some friends. Those friends sent it to other people somewhere in that chain of events. Some motherfucker put it on Reddit. I don’t believe it was a cast member. Bravo did a thorough investigation. But I have to tell you, Cocktailers and Amanda and Tracy know because I call them screaming.

This is the thing. I 100% believed it, especially when the second source. I believed it with the first source because it is a follower that I talk to all the time. They would not make it up. Right. I believed it. Obviously even more with the second source, the details matched. I wasn’t sure if Andy would ever confirm it. Because I didn’t know if Jennifer Lawrence would be like, no, I don’t want to get my assistant in trouble. Like, you know, right. So when he actually did confirm it, you girls know I was flipping.

It was so good. Not that we really even were doubting it because we had such good intel, which is why guys like stick with us. We’ve got the good intel. And also Jennifer Lawrence, if you are listening. Oh, please. Hum on the podcast. And just talk, we don’t need to talk about this story anymore. Just come on the podcast and talk gossip with us because she’s a real one and she knows her Bravo. Yes. Jennifer Lawrence is us. She is a diehard fan and believes in the sanctity of a reunion and all things reality.

I have always been obsessed with her. She’s so funny and like so cool. And I love that she was the one that was able to solve it and call Zaddy Andy. And she definitely loved being in the fold. She’s a fan. And to that I say, in J-law, we trust. Yes. I don’t think. I thought it was such a huge scoop. And when I asked the cot tellers, they were like, what about when the queen died? So yeah, obviously we’ve had bigger scoops. But this one was so left field because ourselves included.

Before we were told this, we were like, was it somebody on the cast? Well, you know, so like, right when you hear Jennifer Lawrence, it’s like, wait, we know she’s a super fan, but come again? Okay. So I don’t want to spend the entire pod talking about Summer House for Union. I know most of us are fully engaged. I know I am. I love to be the dead horse though. So I don’t want to bore those of you who don’t. Yeah. And we are hearing from you guys that some people are tired of some people are like, I can’t get enough.

Some people are like, no, I think I want to move on. But because we haven’t had Tracy on since the reunions have started. Just need to hear what your top takeaways are, Casey. Yes. Okay. My top takeaways are obviously Amanda and West showed us all who they are. They are not a confidant. They don’t think of others. And they both had a real opportunity to show remorse and they both missed the landing. Mother Hubbard, in my opinion, was the one who got cameras up because she said she learned nothing.

And I think we could all agree. And well, I’m really excited to see the bonus episode. I’m totally ready to move on from the West and Amanda and focus on the real positive things that came out of the season. One being my absolute obsession with Carl and Lindsey’s evolved friendship. They had to walk through the fire to get here, but it’s so fucking good. And also the Kyle Glowup. We don’t talk enough about the men that can glow up after a breakup. And Kyle Cook looks like season one, Summer House Kyle.

Kyle and let me tell you when I see them on Instagram kissing girls while DJing. I’m like Alexa, add to cart. And if you’re new here, the cart is my vagina. – I hate it. – Okay, add to cart. I said that also when I saw Craig, Austin, and Kyle together, I’m like add to cart, add to cart, add to cart. – Oh, yes. – Yeah, like hard in my cart. But you know– – First of all, I’m choosing Craig over all three. – Oh duh, I’ll take the bottom. You could have the top.

(laughing) And you know, whatever. – Yeah, I’ll take the top ’cause I’m more prude than you and I just love his face. – Great, I can picture his face while I’m down there. And obviously we’ll all watch Sierra go beyond the Bravoverse, like Robessie Page and Jessie’s gonna thrive. I’m totally here for it. And I’m also so here for the newbies, Mia, KJ, and Bailey. I feel like this is such a strong foundation. And I do hope we get to see some Levi ’cause she’s so adorable.

I love her. She is cute. – Well, I think Jessie, probably in the moment, was really probably a little embarrassed that he had such an emotional reaction on the reunion. But I think it really actually not only helped us all see that he was not aware of what was really going on and how hurt and how real the relationships were to his friendships with Amanda and with Wes. And then within the entire group, how real those were and how upset that he was. – Wait, can’t you do you hear about the extended episode and why he was really upset?

– Yes, so kinda. So I’ll say it quickly. What we did in here, I wish they would have kept in the regular episode, is that Jessie was going through the same thing at the time. One of his best friends was hooking up with his ex-girlfriend and lying to Jessie about it. And Jessie found out it was true. And I would assume Jessie could find it in Wes, right? Tracy? – Yeah. – And so he was hurt for Ciara. He was hurt for Kyle. He felt betrayed as a friend. And he was also going through it.

So not only was he feeling empathy for his friends, but he was like, Wes did to me, did to them what my best friend did to me and like he’s trash. And also even seeing Jessie watch what happens live, this really changed my perspective on Jessie. I loved Jessie, then with the whole Lexi thing, I was like off on Jessie, then I didn’t like the kissy-era thing and I didn’t love that. So, but then now I’m back on Jessie and I watch what happens live. I find Jessie to be very honest.

And he was just like, listen, do I think we’ll be boys again? I mean, I’m not saying I’ll hold this forever, but the trust is gone. We’ll never be what we were. And he’s not gonna ignore Wes or never go have a beer with him. It’ll come to a point where that stuff’s fine, but West, I think that Jessie’s a good person. And I think that you don’t need to show him twice who you are. I think he gets it. And honestly, I think he feels the same way about Amanda.

I also would like to say something else I really respect about the cast is the men did a very good job of focusing on West because regardless of what Amanda did, like I wouldn’t wanna see Jessie or KJ or Carl or Ben go after Amanda just because she is a woman. Maybe I’m sexist, I don’t know. But she also loves the victim role so much that it’s good for them that they didn’t ’cause obviously they’re angry and frustrated with her, but I thought they handled it well.

They showed their disappointment without at all being confrontational with the woman. Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, was Ben even there anymore after Bailey tore him down? And why didn’t we discuss the fact that ’cause Ben said in a Instagram comment on somebody’s thing, he confronted her about lying about the, I wanna fuck Amanda in Italy text message that it never happened and she admitted she made it up. So why did they edit that out? I don’t know, that’s weird.

I would love it. So this, if we could just at some point just have a private conversation with somebody from production just to tell us about some of these decisions because I will say too, I was feeling the same way Lindsey was feeling that we’re not really getting very clear answers or at least we’re not breaking through why all the lying about the timeline because that to me is okay, we know, you guys said it, right? We’ve lied once so now you guys don’t trust us a lie but about this we are being truthful and nobody fricking believes that.

So hey, somebody explained to us what is really going on with that but anyway. – So about next week’s episode where they do the sit downs, I think I agree. Lindsey saying at the end of the reunion, I don’t know anything and God bless whoever gave that woman wine because she just went off her and Mia with a glass of wine in them. Oh God. I also think that production recognized that they’re gonna get more out of them in an intimate setting. Amanda just with Lindsey, West just with Kyle.

The whole beta blocker thing, Ciara and Paige both came out and posted explaining that beta blockers do not make you devoid of emotion. I personally found it so interesting that Amanda was able to cry when she felt stupid, trusting West or when she was confronted but did not shed a tear in regards to Ciara like when she was like attempting to apologize. I know we’ve discussed it but like I said, I just love to be the dead horse because it’s, it’s just, it’s wild to me.

I think a point that was made was when Kyle said to West, like you do know that you’ve isolated Amanda and she has nobody now. Like what are your intentions? Kind of like he’s her dad. The thing about it and I actually screenshot a comment that I saw and I wanna read this ’cause I just think it’s really important that we remind ourselves because Amanda does do a very good job of victimizing herself. This is from Faith and she said, “Amanda Batula is older than West.

“Amanda has been on Bravo for 10 years. “Amanda’s on two shows on air right now “and has worked on other reality shows on the network. “Amanda has a longstanding and well established relationship “with production and the Bravo network. “Amanda is not a victim. “She is a 35 year old woman with full capacity. “She made her own choice and acted on it. “Stop making Amanda seem like a hopeless and innocent child. “Amanda knew West had a girlfriend “but was willing to be his side piece.

“Amanda willingly portrayed Ciara “and chose to sleep with her husband’s friend. “Amanda knew Kyle was confiding to West “about the problems in their marriage “while she was flying to Miami to go on dates with West. “Amanda lied and lied to everyone, “including production, Bravo and the audience.” And so I’m not sure why we all still feel bad for her ’cause I feel like we all do collectively. We say things and then we’re like, “Oh, poor Amanda.” – I don’t.

– Yeah, why are you disagreeing? – I really disagree actually ’cause I don’t think that I have played into at first after we saw the man on the street interview with Kyle where he was saying I’m mostly worried about her because I feel like West has really manipulated her. I started to feel a little bit badly about her then but I don’t, I don’t. And I think the fact that she put some sort of drug, we can just all admit it, right? She put some sort of drug between her feelings and her real feelings and the camera.

I mean, that was a very specific choice as well, a very deliberate choice. I don’t feel bad for her. She’s in her mid 30s, she should know how to be able to pay rent and how to do things and respond to phone calls and texts and emails as we have heard that she’s been like not a professional person to work with. With some of her brand deals. So no, I don’t feel bad for her at all, not one bet. – Yeah, Amanda. I mean, she only, yeah, her Amanda. Amanda only cries when she feels hurt because it’s all about her.

That’s my opinion. She’s more annoyed at Sierra for being mad at her which is wild and say what you want about Kyle but he takes accountability for not being a great husband but he loves her and he always will. And the fact he wants to make sure that she’s okay makes me sad for him, not for her. And Amanda’s very lucky that she even has him in all of this and most X’s would have turned on her. – Yeah. And I just hope the sit-downs give us closure on things.

I do think the producers will still do some of those amazing present time edits on Amanda during “In the City” so we may even get more insight. I think Lindsey may be in a really tough spot. On one hand, she’s with all of us, right? Team Sierra and on the other, she’s a businesswoman and has a new show where her, Kyle and Amanda are like the anchors. Does she give Amanda Greece next season to keep the peace and obviously by peace, I mean paycheck or does she want not to get the backlash from viewers?

Though Lindsey’s the kind of person I know. She can forgive Amanda and not care what we think ’cause she’s a bad ass bitch and doesn’t care but I’m just very curious how this whole thing’s gonna progress. – Yeah, I’m interested to see too. I think that she gives her some shit, gives her some flack but ultimately comes around because Sierra understands that Lindsey is a businesswoman. Lindsey is a single mother. Lindsey supports herself. Er, Nanny, her assistant like, she’s the breadwinner and then we have sources emailing us, DMing us, telling us that Amanda and West are the real thing.

You guys have seen “The Post” if you’re in “Cocktail”, “The Post” if you’re in “Cocktail”, party. I believe their team wants us to believe that they’re the real deal but everything we saw on that reunion especially when he said something to the effect of, well yeah, if things can go back to how they were in the beginning. Dude, that’s when you guys were sneaking around and he’s got a, he gets off on that, you know? – There is, there’s a thrill. There’s a thrill to that that can’t be replicated unless he goes and doesn’t– – And we all felt the thrill of the beginning.

Even when it’s totally kosher for us to be with somebody, there’s the thrill in meeting them at the bar and having your first this and going to your first game and doing your first this that eventually fades. – Yes, absolutely. So I mentioned this a little bit earlier but Jesse Solomon released his timeline this week. And I think in my head, I had other dates that I would have added to that timeline but I don’t think anybody’s disputing again that this all went on longer than they want than Amanda and Wes are admitting and my question again is why.

But I do have a little bit of a theory and my thought is this, I have a feeling that we saw Wes got handsie with her over the summer and maybe really nothing did happen over the summer. I think at some point there was a drunken hookup. Maybe in the fall and then they were like, oh crap, we cannot do that again and that they really tried not to do that again because they knew, of course they knew how bad this was. And now somehow they have chosen this other attack of touchgrass, we can’t hope that we have this connection kind of message versus a remorseful approach but I think that’s what happened.

I think something like drunk hookup happened and then the feelings. even more started to fall in and then they kind of just gave way to all of it at some point. I’m guessing around New Year’s. I like that. I think that’s very possible. Yes. I mean, I think just West is just in love with the idea of Amanda, like being the damsel in distress. But like when things get really real and that honeymoon stage is over, West will be Westing. Well, and to your point, sorry to interrupt, but yeah, the damsel in distress thing gets really freaking annoying if Amanda is calling West while he’s out with his friend and like, I don’t know how to turn on the hulu.

Can you watch the past word? The light bulbs out in the bathroom. I can’t see that gets really fucking annoying fast. Yeah, and West will start banging on the table just like Kyle Cook being frustrated with his girlfriend and how he’ll be like, Oh, a light bulb will go off. No, I mean, listen, I could be wrong. I have seen real life couples that got together in very negative circumstances and they stayed together and got married and had kids. So this would be a reality first if it worked out.

But obviously we just have to wait and see. I don’t think the odds are forever in their favor. Yeah, no, maybe odds. That’s another Jennifer Lord. Yeah, J. So then the fact that Amanda sat with Lindsay and Lindsay says to her, we saw in the clip, West, like West told me that it was all you you initiated, you’re obsessed with him. And Amanda sitting there crying. Oh my God, I feel so stupid. But they’re getting the word out that they’re happy. That’s what all the sources are telling, right?

They I’ve had that message. Du Bois has had that message. They can tell us the fans, their friends, the family, they’re in love, but we saw the reunion. I don’t know. I I’m ready to wrap it up too. Yeah. So let’s share the I want to be selfish email because this was great. All right, subject line. I want to be selfish. Spill it to problem cocktails.com. Now that we’ve seen the clip of Lindsay and Amanda sit down, I can share some insight. Lindsay shared with Amanda that West told her and others on the cast that Amanda was obsessed with him.

He made it sound like she pursued him and other details that brought Amanda to tears made Amanda feel stupid and blindsided. She seemed to hear Lindsay and agree that West had lied to her yet. As all of us saw, we saw that she went with him to Italy just days later. She told friends I want to be selfish and that she believes this is real love and the happiest she’s ever been making makes sense. Listen, at this point, they’re both trying to make this work.

Amanda, because she needs someone to lean on a man preferably in her case and West because he needs to be on in the city. Simple as that. Yeah. I mean, Amanda isolated herself back to what Kyle was saying. That’s really sweet that Amanda isolated herself and she’ll do it again. If things don’t work out with her and West, she’ll do it again with the next man. Her friends don’t really matter. It’s really about the man in her life. I mean, ladies, this dick must be good.

Okay. This stick is so good that after you have it, it makes you forget that the person attached to it is a manipulative liar. Like this stick is so good. It makes you screw over your best friend to be selfish and lose all your brand deals. And this stick is so good that after mother Hubbard tells you that your man is telling people you are obsessed with him and lies about you, you go to Italy and I’m sorry for saying dick so much. But it must be that good.

No, no, but if there are kids in the car, oh, yeah, by the way, she is reaching another reliable source, told me that she is reaching out to several people for brand deals and she is getting completely ghosted. Yeah, I’m not surprised. House of villains, Amanda. Yeah, that’s very true. House of victims. That’s the last stop before your reality career dies. It’s true. Okay, so we’ve got an email with a casting update. Let me read it and we can talk about it.

So from Summer House email or subject, good news. It says, due to the scandal and Sierra, Amanda and West not returning. The plan is for Kyle and Lindsey to only be on in the city. That plan has been put on hold for one more year. Bravo knows the show cannot go on this season with missing meaning Summer House missing five major players. So expect to see Kyle and Lindsey filming this summer. Sierra will pop in for the occasional scene or a weekend, but it’s up in the air due to her schedule and it will be last minute filming scenes with her.

Kyle, Lindsey, Carl, Jesse, Mia, Bailey, KJ are all back with four more newbies. Filming starts in three weeks. So expect to hear rumors of who’s joining soon. Can you leave it’s already summer again? Casting producers have been told by Bravo. They would definitely like to have a friend of Jesse’s and a friend of Mia’s join the cast as they are being seen as the heads of the house for the next few seasons, especially once Kyle and Lindsey are officially gone must be single.

And this year production is being extra strict about it. Okay, so we’re going to break down the details. So first thing I personally noticed was no Dara. So we’ve all known the Dara and KJ unexpectedly broke up. They were at an event after the first reunion aired. And then KJ wrote something to his stories basically indicating they had broken up. I was at the Hulu event for not suitable for work. They were supposed to be there. This is the night after they had broken up.

They were not there. They haven’t posted pictures together. We all assumed that they were still broke up. But Jesse confirmed on Tuesday nights watch what happens live. He was like, yeah, they’re split. And everyone’s like, wait, they really are. And he’s like, wait, is this not public? Yeah, no, they’re split. Okay, it’s public now. Because it’s been a few weeks. And like we’ve all kind of forgot about it. Yeah. Here’s the thing. KJ is very good friends with Mia and Ciara.

And we know from seasons past, it is much harder to find good guys on this cast that the audience clicks with that brings something to the table. So unfortunately, if production has to choose between the two, although Mia and Ciara like Dara, and I’m sure that they’re not like picking sides in the breakup, you know what I’m saying? Like, yeah, they’re clearly friends with KJ more so. So Ciara and Mia are going to say KJ production is going to say KJ because could always find an interesting girl.

It’s much harder to find interesting guys that click. It sucks because I really like Dara, especially after the reunion. She delivered that to West. So good. Listen, this is an email. It’s not verified. And we’re also sitting on June 11th. And these decisions get made right up until and KJ and Dara have broken up and made up before. So there are four newbie slots. If those two make up, they will pop out somebody, pop her back in. And honestly, the thing about it that I go back and forth is because of KJ’s mental health.

Yeah. But otherwise, having them in a tumultuous situation is always good TV. I’m just saying, she’ll even if they’re never ever getting back together, I could see an opportunity for them to still invite Dara to maybe on weekends if KJ is not there or maybe they can figure it out. I think everybody is probably very protective of KJ’s mental health to your point B. But I really liked her. I thought she was great during the season. And then on their union, I actually like her content as well.

One thing actually, I’m really surprised. So you guys might be hearing this for the first time because nobody else seems to be saying this. I, but they are considering Mija. Yes, I have heard people say that I haven’t, I don’t have a confirm on that, but it makes sense. She clearly likes the camera. Yeah, on the reunion phone and the camera likes her. She’s gorgeous. Yes. She’s now become friends with the cast and Bravo fans love a revenge arc. So yes, we do.

I have a strong feeling about this. So you guys heard it here first. Mija will be on summer house. I had in my opinion. I love it. I’m here for that. Let’s have all West X’s on there. And they’ll all thrive. Yes. I feel good about the cast. I feel like they’re totally avoiding a van der flop. And the show will live on because we have these strong people like Mija, KJ and Bailey. I’m too very sad about Dara. But I’m hoping after the reunion Smackdown she gave, they can find a way to fit her in.

So there’s some TikTok circulating that West was fired from Bravo. Shout out to all you guys who tagged me and said, I’ll believe this when Bravo and cocktails posted. I have no confirm that West is fired from Bravo. This email says he’s not coming back to summer house. So Homeboy has got to make it work with Amanda to get him on in the city. Now this email doesn’t specifically say Amanda’s on in the city. Kyle has a lot of pull. I’m sure Kyle’s going to push for her because we have watched Kyle go to bat for her, support her, want her to do well.

She isn’t making money from brand deals. So he’s going to want her to get a check. Also, it should make for an interesting season too. Because I’m sure we’re going to be watching Amanda confronting cheating rumors from one from Kyle to now West. I’m sure God willing we’ll be getting blinds and hopefully we’ll be on second season of in the city. Whether they be about Shileen or whatever New Girl is in the mix with West. Carl will be back. Lindsay will be back.

Kyle will be back. If not for this scandal, they would all just be relegated to in the city. And two checks is better than one. So it’s always the case the scandal never works out for the woman. No, who does it? But it works out for the woman’s funds that she betrays. Totally. I mean, do you think it’s out of the realm of possibilities that we see West and Amanda’s relationship on the second season of in the city and we don’t hate it? We all know that West has charisma.

And if they can show them working as a couple and winning over the audience, that would be like a crazy curveball mind fuck. And what I mean, obviously West would be like the driving factor of that. But Amanda’s reaction to his quirkiness might be endearing. Am I okay? I don’t know. I don’t know that I literally just based on her on the couch at the ryan saying stop making mouth noises. Don’t eat that cookie. I don’t know how into seeing more of this relationship.

I am. But you know what? Crazier things have happened on Bravo. So I think we could we could see it. I mean, we all got to the point where we started laughing with Tom Sandoval when he was on traders. You know, so okay, I want to talk in the city because we’ve been talking about it. And we haven’t gotten your thoughts yet on it, Tracy. So what are you thinking? Do you like it? Who do you love? Who do you hate? Let’s just break it down. All right, I’m loving it.

I feel like it’s a whole new layer of life that we get to see from our summer house MVPs and being a New Yorker, I love the character of the city and sing all the places they go. And outside of loving Lindsey and Kyle on the show, my absolute famous is way and very real. I love how honest she is about her chaotic life, but at the same time, she’s running this amazing med spa and launching her own skincare line. I also really like Gavin shout out to my short kings.

My husband’s a short king and the shorter they are, the closer their mouth is to your vaginally. I knew it was coming. Yep. I listened. It’s a shorter commute. Look, my Darby there. He’s already there, people. But I think it’s great for him. His bars, one of his bars, Rocco’s, it’s a sports bar. It’s impossible to get a reservation. Yes. So popular. I listen, Gavin, I have so many hot single girlfriends and I need to take them to this bar. So get me a reservation because they need to be where these men are.

I also really like you bond. She seems like a friend that I would have in my mix. And I just like watching her. Kenny, I think he thinks he has this whole reality thing figured out by trying to go after Lindsey. So Jerry’s out on him for me. I have definitely learned my lesson. I know things can change in people I love. I may not like soon and vice versa, but his girlfriend I love. She’s a doll on dry and Lexi. What bad can you say about them? And Danielle, she has a chance to really show us her.

I think the Amanda scandal may work in her favor a tad. Can she make us all come around? Let’s see. But overall, I’m just really grateful to have the show in my rotation. I love your takes. I agree. Most of them. I don’t know that I love Whitney. I agree with Gavin. That’s kind of boring. I will get into that because I’ve been hearing things about good old Whitney. But let’s focus on Danielle. Yeah, discussing our blinds about her breaking up a marriage. So she said on in the city that Owen and his wife were separated for four months.

I can tell you that according to the people we’ve spoken with who are friends with his wife, the wife allegedly says that he cheated on her with Danielle. We see Amanda basically say that next episode. Like, isn’t that what happened? Isn’t exactly what’s written on Bravo and cocktails.com. What happened? You know, you can’t hide this kind of stuff because Amanda Petula and Lindsay Hubbard, they’re reaching out to the wife. And Manhattan’s big, but these circles are small.

He works in the hospitality. They’re from Ireland. There’s a lot of crossover. A lot of Irish folks work in hospitality and get visas to do summer work in the Hamptons and Montauk, which is how Danielle originally met him back in the day before he was married because they knew each other. So likely that’s back when Lindsay and Danielle were hanging out all the time. Likely Lindsay knows who maybe she didn’t know Owen, but she knows people in the circle.

You know what I’m saying? So most women who are cheated on would love to have the opportunity to air their exes out because his mistress is on a national television show. So I believe our intel. Yeah. But now she’s pregnant. So nobody can yell at a pregnant woman. So by the way, this is a little topic, but not really. I read this story this week about a woman. I saw her mugshot. She looks probably made 40s, early 40s, maybe who created an entire binder. And I’m talking the big like four inch kind of binder that and literally it’s on the front of it says things he will do to you.

And it’s done by tab and tabs such as annoying habits, names that he will call you, things that he will refuse to pay for. I was cracking up reading this story that not only did this woman do this, but that she indexed everything and tabbed everything so carefully sends it to the new girlfriend. And then she actually got arrested for it. Stop it. Yeah. Why did she get arrested? For I don’t actually know what the act charges you guys I’ll find the article and I will put it on discord because this and then I’ll still to go fund me to get her pay her pay.

I don’t seriously. She sounds like an event planner. She must be an event planner. I think she’s OCD or a researcher or like librarian or something. But I mean talk about to go going into such detail and to put so much work into hating your ex so much. And then also kind of feeling like I think she probably was like trying to look out for the new girl. But anyway, so something that’s been a little bit on my mind lately that really bothers me is there’s a lot of people who are really big Danielle fans on I don’t see them who.

Well, I can think of I can think of a couple of Bravo creators probably because we know that Danielle leaks Intel because Paige said she leaked Intel about Craig. So if they’re fans of hers Bravo accounts, it’s likely I’m making a guess and you haven’t named anyone. So I’m not like using anyone specifically. But if they ever speak favorable, it’s because she feeds information. You know what? That’s actually makes more sense to me than anything else because I’m like, what is it?

Yeah, she’s messy, but she’s annoying. I think that Danielle is very happy that we got her back on the show. So Danielle, you’re welcome. And also I just like to remind people not that I’m encouraging this sort of thing, but we named her in the blind because I had really good evidence. Otherwise, I can make it very vague so people couldn’t sue us. But if this wasn’t true, there’s no cease and desist for slander because it’s true, babe. We’re international.

We have Irish sources on the legit story. Legit. Yeah. I love it. Okay, what did you guys think about Kenny’s conversation with Andrea? I have thoughts. I was incredibly frustrated. First of all, never mind how sexy Andrea was activated. Alexa Anticard. Yes, immediately. I’ll take the bottom on that one. I mean, like Andrea was saying, you said there was no spark. So I took what you said and I summarized it. And I said, why are we focusing on the word murky? I was like, if there’s not a spark with your girlfriend, then the future is a little murky.

Then Kenny would not allow Andrea to explain himself. He was focusing on one word. Kenny’s behavior is that of somebody who spins things to their advantage. He’s obviously got a high IQ. He’s very good at manipulating. And rather than take ownership of the fact that he started the conversation, he focused on one word. I don’t blame Andrea at all for walking away. He was so good at it. Kenny spinning it and making it seem like Andrea did something wrong that the next day when Gavin Kenny and Whitney were sitting, and I believe that was Rocco’s right, Tracy?

Yeah, I think so. Yup. Discussing it, Gavin turns around and he’s like, wait a minute. You did say there was no spark. And then you watched Whitney give some ridiculous explanation like girl, there’s no way to frame they’re not being a spark. That’s positive, right? But I personally love the way he gives it to Kenny. They showed flashbacks. They’ve been friends forever. He gives him the unfiltered honest truth. I appreciate so much that he did it right in front of Whitney.

So there’s no like, oh, you do this behind my back now. You’re here. You could hear everything I have to say. I think he’s a tell it like it is kind of guy. I don’t believe it. Kenny acts like he shocked. He said like Gavin’s never done this to me. I don’t believe that just based on Gavin seems like what you see is what you get. This is what I’m thinking. I’m honest. And I’m going to tell you. I think Kenny is shocked. He’s giving him his unfiltered honest truth on camera because you know, people go on camera.

Gavin hasn’t been on camera. Kenny hasn’t been on camera. And they’re like in an alliance. They’re boys from college, right? Yeah. But Gavin is doing a fantastic job on his first season. Thumbs up for him. I get the sense because his name was not in the mix for a lead. But I just think that he did so well on camera that as they were cutting the show, Gavin just stayed in it. Because he’s relatable. He’s great. You know, love. I think yeah. Kenny is going to learn a hard way.

What you say, yeah, Cameron will get brought back up with our union. And there’s no way around it. You can’t spin it. If you said you said it and he said it. Yeah, Kenny is going to learn you call Lindsay a minion. She makes a sick TikTok Instagram reel with her and her friends all dresses minions. She’s always going to win. Yeah. That’s true. Yeah. I mean, I feel like we’ve finally come to this era of men, a bravo being real and not blindly having each other’s backs to protect them.

Yes. That is what I love. Gavin. And that’s his real boy. They showed the pictures of them in college. But that is how you have to be in real life. And yeah. Yeah, more Gavin, please. Thank you. Reservation at Rocco’s. Thank you. I had to. It’s a car. It’s art. Oh, no, I find Kenny to be really going to look for every other. But that I’m so annoyed by him too. He’s got a really nice build. Yeah. I’d like to see him with his shirt off. Word. I knew. Research. I think it’s research.

We have to know what Whitney sees here. Because I have some really infuriating intel. So we it’s not exactly clear to me if just Whitney said this or if Kenny and Whitney said it, if they said it directly to Lindsay or if it got back to Lindsay, but what I know and we will see this season, a source tells me that either just Whitney or Whitney and Kenny criticize Lindsay’s being a single mom saying something to the effect of she has it easy because her nanny raises her kid.

When I tell you, I hope this intel is wrong because I will go from feeling like Kenny doesn’t know how reality television works to hating him. Kenny, you were raised by a single mother. Whitney, if it’s you who said it, your boyfriend was raised by a single mother. Yeah. There’s that. Being a single parent is rough. Kenny obviously should know this from his experience. But being a parent is rough too. And I don’t think any of us are here for passing judgment on other people as parents.

Lindsay’s job, because I was thinking about this, I’m like, what could they possibly be doing? Oh, it’s probably because they’re like, Lindsay’s out tonight and she’s got a nanny taking care of JAMA and like, wow, she should be home with her. But you know, people don’t give people as hard of a time for having a nanny during quote unquote normal working hours of nine to five, right? I’ve had them like having childcare. I’ve had them in general, right?

And it’s like, I’m so happy I don’t have to pay for that anymore. Thank you, children for aging. Bob is to be on TV. And while I am very sure that she tries to schedule around her parenting schedule as much as she possibly can, there’s going to be a lot of times that just don’t work for that because they film in the eve. Most of people, they’re filming, they’re not filming during the day because they’re filming at night when these people aren’t doing their other jobs.

So, not for anything. If I had the choice when my kids were young to do my job at night versus day, I’d pick at night because guess what? The baby’s asleep. The baby’s asleep, right? During the day, Lindsay’s with the baby, even if the nanny’s there with her. Listen, I didn’t have the privilege. I wasn’t in a position where I could afford when my kids were little to have that, but if I could To be able to have a nanny to help especially when you have more than one kid would be fantastic But even just like I can run to the supermarket and not have my child eating puffs off of the floor Right, because I’m at least home with them right right.

I mean if that’s Lindsay’s job guys It is her job to be out at night and on camera and filming with these guys And I just wonder if maybe some of those criticisms Wouldn’t happen if she you know only had a nanny helping her during a nine to five work day Yeah, if you have kids or you don’t you should never criticize anyone from how they’re raising their kids It’s obviously it takes a village Even when there’s two parents So that sometimes isn’t still not enough and if you can afford the help you should never feel shame for doing so and it actually Moms and dads who pay for help so they could be in a better mental space to take care of their kids or better parents for it But if you could have do it do it.

I’ve done it I literally On maternity leave because I had postpartum with my first on the second I got a nanny for a monday through friday. So I could feel normal I wanted to get ahead of being like I don’t want to fall into a depression and that literally helped my mental health absolutely About even I really love her personality. I think I don’t know I follow Lindsay obviously as we all do on social media So I don’t know what I was expecting from her, but you know when you see someone’s image all the time yeah, and You know I don’t know why I thought this I really don’t because Lindsay is in a serious person.

I don’t mean serious person You know for some reason And this makes no sense because I myself am a brunette and I’m a clown, but something about her look I just thought she’d be more like stiff, but I love she’s very light-hearted and Dizzy isn’t the right word, but like funny. Yeah, I did not realize she’s 39 I think we can as women ourselves we can all relate. I’ve had so many friends Who got married in their late 30s? Tracy you were in the exact situation her husband I like Nick, but he’s gonna start well now she’s pregnant.

So I’m happy we know that because I was like annoyed with him the last episode You got married at 39 they dated for years. She’s like, what do you mean? You’re not ready like we got married for this dude Yeah, I actually like so I had my first at 42 and my second at 45 So yeah when Yvonne said she was 39 I said to myself I hope she froze her eggs and if not see your doctor And now that we know she’s prevo I’m so happy for her, but yes now that we are on the topic I highly encourage any woman who wants kids who is unsure to freeze their eggs Put that shit on a credit card and pay for it pay it off over time because it’ll save you in the end It’s a good insurance policy.

Even if you get pregnant naturally the first time You have eggs for the second in case the next time’s tougher. I wound up doing So many rounds of IVF and then eventually went down the egg donor route Which I wouldn’t change anything about my journey my kids are amazing I’m so grateful that there are these options that are available to be a mom, but money wise I wish I was in my 20s or 30s I would have froze my eggs. I would have saved a lot of money, but I wouldn’t have My two delicious boys Thank you for sharing that with everybody Tracy of course amanda and I knew but that is beautiful I love hearing about your journey Amanda and I more than one time have said the same exact thing.

So Tracy Tracy does our ads. We need to get an ad with a Person who freeze like a company who freezes eggs because I this is something I really believe in I told amanda a couple years ago on the pod my daughter who I believe was eight or nine at the time I was like that’s for college graduation president Just love it men boys they just have the freedom of their sperm lasts forever And I don’t want I don’t think any woman should have to feel like they’re on some timeline because of that I know I did And I got married at 26 and so for me it was not an issue.

I didn’t have any of those issues but A different life choice. I could have you know and I Agree wholeheartedly and if it was something that was more Available like more like now I feel like Mia Calibre from summer house just announced today. Hey guys. They prayer for me. She started. I think she was retrieving today Oh, no, I just feel yeah, absolutely and I just think that If it was more normalized and I don’t know what insurance covers and everything like that God knows it should cover that Because they’ll save on the back end with fertility.

I would think Yeah, I would have definitely been up there at 22 just because it would have taken the pressure off It does there’s a lot of fertility loans that you could take out now that won’t affect your credit So yeah, I mean if anyone has any questions about IVF or anything you can always reach out to me Yes, I’m happy to help and share and tell you to put ice on it before you take a shot because that changes your life and all the things I know we were gonna talk jersey, but I guess you guys are gonna do that on cocktail We’ll save it.

Yeah, but I just want to say one thing because I’m watching my DMS camp come in amanda And I got an email a while a little while back about malaniya getting arrested for domestic violence char or like I don’t know Yeah, and it’s page lectures posted it. Oh, no Well, listen, I did not post it because I understand that malaniya is 20 However I know her from the show since she’s four And let’s see what it’s in new jersey She’s charged with simple assault and believe it was in may It’s not something I want to post about but you guys are gonna see it Listen, I don’t know what it is.

We’ve all been 20. We’ve all been in bars drinking at 20. It could be something silly a little argument that When you’re famous unfortunately, which she is people are going to take advantage So I’m gonna give her the benefit of the doubts But I hate to see that. Yeah. Yeah, we know also antonia posted yesterday that she got a nose job Oh girl girl. Yeah, and if she Already, I mean, yeah, she had a little bit of a black eye, but her face wasn’t nearly as swollen like it’s looking like she’s already healing up so I’m good for you Anything I am I’m always been a huge proponent of anything that makes you feel better Gorgeous girl pre I’m sure she’ll be just as gorgeous post and if it’s something that she wanted to do good for her I agreed.

Yeah, so thank you Tracy for making us laugh as always my pleasure Sharing that with everybody else because you make us laugh all the time But it’s so nice that you got to make cocktakers. Hopefully laugh today too That’s my dream and thank you for sharing that information about idea because of course I in my DM so often women talk to me about it And I mean so many women in my life have dealt with it and so freaking hard It is it’s a role of post-air.

I love being a woman and I wouldn’t trade it for the world But we have it harder in so many freaking ways. I’m a small anyways. No offense to her well to a Bravo and cocktails Scholarship where we give away an egg Freezing every year. I would love to go. Oh my god That’s getting a tingle thinking. Oh, literally in my cart Let her I am obsessed with that I’m making should I trademark that I can’t write a man And I are going to get dual face lifts and then our daughters who are the same age will get dual egg freezing Oh my god, but I’m gonna come because I want to get my mommy job Well, you could yes and you have boys so you don’t have to freeze the eggs No, you have to freeze the sperm like Craig did yes I never listen let me not let me shut up because I know nothing about freezing sperm sperm gets older too though guys Right.

Yeah, it does and it doesn’t yeah, so good for good for him too good for all of them I We are all about freezing all health here shopping off. Yeah, I fight in a bar. I mean we really we’re like Let’s go next Let’s go next. Oh my god. It is so hot Oh, I love you guys New York is hot, but we are happy and it’s been a long time since we all agreed on everything So I’m happy about that Well, we don’t still don’t agree on everything, but at least we agree on one thing.

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