207. We’ve all been bamboozled; Jennifer Lawrence, Academy Award winning sleuth; Dr. Dre on the Valley?

We have been bamboozled, hoodwinked, swindled by Steven McBee. Will we even watch the show now that we know different? B got intel that the person who helped Bravo crack the case on who recorded the leaked Summer House audio was no other than Jennifer Lawrence, Academy Award winner and Bravo fan. West Wilson is enduring a family tragedy. We recap the other audio leaks and it just raises more questions. B reads a post that has been circulating called Amanda Batula and the Carrie Bradshaw Accountability Crisis. It gives us a lot to think about. Michelle from the Valley is dating Dr. Dre. What??? We have more info on how they met… and do we think he’d ever be on The Valley?

My feeling is that Amanda overplayed her hand. I think that she thought that fans would ride for her, but the majority are very clearly team Ciara. Heck, they’re even team Kyle. I’m really not sure in what delusional world she thought she could make a joint statement saying, oops, sorry if we hurt anyone, but we like each other, I think so we’re gonna be exploring this. Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re gonna spill the tea. We chat reality TV celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from bravococktails.com and as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’m B and I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tea. What’s up, cocktails? Amanda, we missed you so much. I got so many DMS. I missed Amanda. Oh, you guys, thank you. I missed you. It feels I know we did our cocktail pot, but it feels like there’s something off when we haven’t gotten to fully download everything together. And selfishly, I’m happy there are more leaks. Because even though I discussed the leaks last week with Kate, I’m like, There’s no way you and I can’t talk about it. Oh, of course not. There’s so much. And you guys know, we text a lot too. I was like, the last couple weeks has just felt like crazy, literally, I like, gingerly reach for my phone in the morning, and I’m like, what happened now, it’s really been crazy town. Yeah. So as you guys know, last week and we spoke about the Hulu get real house event, which was amazing, according to all the photos I’ve seen, but also Amanda and Tracy telling us about it.

But I know when the three of us are on the pod together, we get over excited. We’re like puppies. So is there anything that you forgot to share with us? Was what I wanted to say. Oh, anything I forgot? I can’t remember, really, because I’ve talked about this, but I still can’t believe the fact that I had a chance to just have a full conversation with Lisa Vanderpump, and she’s truly gorgeous in person, and was dressed very Lisa Vanderpump. She had a low cut jacket, blazer kind of thing, with a lacy bra under it, and looked fabulous. Had her dog donut, donut. I know donut with Do you know what’s funny? You say that because, as I was showing my husband all the pictures of everything and the videos and interviews that Tracy did, he was most impressed by Lisa Vanderpump. He was like, oh my god, she got an interview with Lisa Vanderpump. I’m like, sure I did truly, yeah. And she was just so very nice and so very open there. I’m trying to think we actually, I can’t remember if we mentioned this, but we met some of the other Vander pomp Villa gentlemen, and they were just so adorable, I definitely felt like I could be all of their mothers. That’s why I say adorable instead of hot, because it just they’re they feel so young. So yeah, but no, it was truly such a beautiful that I was showing one of my friends the picture, some pictures, and we were just talking about the flowers. The flowers alone, it just one of the in one of the little setups had to be $20,000 just for one. I cannot even imagine what the flower budget was for this thing.

But the flower thing I’m saying, and even my friend, works in the entertainment. She does floral she does balloons, she does all of that. And I know what small setups cost, yeah, hundreds of 1000s of dollars. I would guess. I’m looking at this picture, and there’s these gorgeous peonies that are, like, forgotten at the bottom of the pile facing town. And like, just even those peonies, I would be so proud to take three of them and put them in a beautiful I love peonies. I have a lot of peonies now. How, when you go to a wedding or a shower and they have florals and everyone takes theirs from their table on the way home, are people doing no no, but you had to fly. So you can’t really fly with a vase on your lap, I would imagine. And we didn’t stay until the bitter end. We stayed until people were, for the most part, leaving. So I don’t know we didn’t see but I will say to you guys how much I wish that we had known about Michelle from the valley dating Dr Dre when we met Jesse Lally and his girlfriend Lacey last week, because we had such a fun and authentic conversation I would have loved to get just to talk to him about it And just look at his face while we were chatting. It’s just, I swear the Bravo verse is such a strange place to be. And we will even we will talk about Michelle and Dr Dre a little bit. Well, I wanted to say on the subject of Jesse and Lacey last night on Watch What Happens Live, I always watch the clips the next morning, if I don’t get to watch the. Episode, and Janet was asked, Do you think they’re a good couple?

And Janet said, very snarky way, yeah, I think they both have something the other person wants. So I took that to mean Lacey has money and Jessie has reality TV fame. And I was like, and then in my memories, because we have the Bravo and cocktails Facebook page, which, by the way, guys, if you’re if you’re on Facebook, I forget if I ever mentioned this, Amanda taught me how to make it a mirror image. So everything that’s on Instagram, if you want to follow us on Facebook too, and in Facebook, it comes up like memories. And two years ago, I posted about them being together. I didn’t realize they were together that long. And watching them this season, and again, we’ll get to the valley later. But watching them this season, it doesn’t seem like a two year play. It’s odd, like Sheila, you have to remember, we are watching last summer, yeah, and so that was all right, a year and a half though they were together, and I think that, yeah, seeing them together and talking to them, they seem very much an established couple. And I really liked them. I liked them together. I liked them both. So I did too. And you never know. Obviously, Janet’s very good friends with Michelle, so you right, that was a great of course, she’s gonna say something snarky, as any girls girl would, and I’ll give Janet the credit on that. She’s standing up for her friend. Yes, okay, you mentioned the leaks. We’ll talk about that, but first we have to talk about the other reason. I literally was like, What the hell is going on Monday morning?

This is blown up in a huge way all of the Steven McBee, the oldest of the sun’s drama with his girlfriend, Allie. What a disappointment this situation is. Seriously okay. So quick recap. Monday morning, as I mentioned, you, woke up to an email saying, Are they together? And then it says, this is weird, because I saw on Instagram at Steven mcbees with his girlfriend, Allie, at stagecoach, yet I spotted her last night. He was nowhere to be found being super flirty with a good looking guy, dancing and holding hands. Is this a close friend, or is she a cheater? So I received this email, and I automatically go to his stories to see what’s Ola doing, and he had already posted a story accusing her of stuff. So I was like, Oh snap. Let me get this email up, because the email was legitimately it came in sometime in the middle of the night, early morning. It was already in my inbox. But I do sleep, so I didn’t it was like in real time all this happened. He posted his story is, I woke up. It was like 5am so he posted to his story about he had received DMS and videos alleging that she was cheating on him, dancing, very sexy, basically similar to what we got in the email. Ali posted then after hours later, first of all, he did a long video where he went into detail. And here’s the thing, yeah, and I like to admit when I’m wrong and when the information comes in. I just reposted his video. I didn’t listen to the whole thing. And it wasn’t until later in the day that one of you guys pointed out that he actually said something like horrible, like horrible, like called, I did not, and this is my own fault, but you’re just trying to get everything up a timely manner.

And so I just, and honestly, the McBee thing was happening at the same time as I was being told about Jennifer Lawrence and Dr Dre and Michelle, so like, all Monday morning. So I just reposted that, and later I got a little heat, and rightfully, I didn’t realize the horrible thing. Oh. So then the guy she was hanging with, who, by the way, is very young, just graduated college and looks even younger, posted to his stories. And was like, by the way, you’re not even dating her. And then he took that down a couple hours later, when Allie, because she was out at the after party, woke up and saw everything, she posted texts from Steven that were really verbally abusive and absolutely horrendous. Later in the day, Kala, his ex, who he met last season, posted texts he had sent her back when they were fighting broken up, also verbally abusive and despicable. So just some details in case you missed this, because Monday was crazy, so Steven went with ally to stage coach this weekend. He left early on Sunday. He said he had to go home to fulfill work obligations. Ally stayed, and then she was accused of cheating at the after party. We got that email that we posted about her intimately dancing with another guy. Steven then posted to his stories. Then a little while later, he apologized for overreacting and posting, but he felt very betrayed. He said the horror, horrible thing, like calling her a whore, a complete mess. Stu Steven then removed, very quickly, removed all her photos, unfollowed and blocked her like all in the early hours, like eight, 9am apparently, according Yeah, apparently early.

It was really early, apparently, according to somebody else, they overheard Steven at and Ally at stagecoach being very lovey dovey talking about their future, saying this was their year. So I did update everything we posted. To say Steven’s DMS and videos that Allie posted were abusive, horrendous. Callers were abusive, horrendous. The show is wrapped. The trailer comes out in May. All the press is starting. It’s May. Tomorrow it’s gonna be May. Okay. So there’s more to the story that I’ll get to in a minute. I have a lot to say, but I will tell you, watching the video, I think, from my bed still that morning, I thought it was so weird that he went on Instagram first thing in the morning so early. This was, I mean, before 6am it was around 6am it was really early. Make, I have kids that I have to get ready for school and take to school. It was and I was still in bed, it was super early, makes a public video tells the world he got these videos in DMS, saying that she was cheating on him, but also admits in the video that he hadn’t even talked to her yet because he’s I called her and she was still at an after party and wouldn’t walk out to go, wouldn’t walk out to talk to me. So this man goes out publicly, telling the world his business before he even had a chance to talk to the person that he supposedly loves. I thought that was so weird. And then when I saw the horrible part on that, I was like, that is, yeah, that is gross. But as you mentioned, Ali woke up the next morning California time, obviously had been out late, so then posts these awful texts from Steven, and as the day went on, Steven then put out more comments saying, I crashed out.

I crashed out. He didn’t even say he was sorry at first, but he was like, I admit I crashed out. So I’m guessing that the online sentiment and probably real life pressure from people in his family that depend on now are depending on the show, possibly even producers. I would imagine a lot of people in his real life are like, You got to apologize, because he put out a statement Wednesday afternoon. I’m going to try to summarize it. He says early Monday morning, he was made aware of this situation, he reacted out of her and betrayal that he says there were other videos and details that he would not share out of respect. He says the context that he’s giving in a statement is not meant to be an excuse, and that he’s ashamed of the messages he sent. He says the criticism he’s receiving is fair, and then he raps with breaking a familial cycle of bad habits, patterns and history starts with one person deciding to make a change. He says, I want to apologize to anyone I have disrespected or spoken to harshly in business friendships or past relationships, and I am committed to doing the work to be a better person. So here is my other thing, okay, better, better statement, right? But when I saw those texts, I was like, There’s no way this is the first time, or that he is so untrusting of her that one night away he this is what he does, just the language that he used be a good woman. I should have known your tits were out for all of stagecoach. There’s just so many things wrong with it.

Then after the statement post, he posted a picture of himself holding his niece, one of his nieces, Cole’s daughter, and wrote something obnoxious, yeah, I hope I’m not judged based on my worst moment in my life, but I’ll come out the other end, bet on it, and it’s like, Wait, yeah. Are you sorry? Are you angry that everyone is having a reaction to the verbal abuse you’re spewing at your girlfriend, who you love so much, insulting her clothing, which it’s like pretty sure she was dressed how she’s dressed when you met her. So it wasn’t an issue for you to date her, but now you’re weaponizing it. What attract the thing that attracted you to her, you’re now weaponizing against her like she didn’t all of a sudden, start dating like this at stagecoach, start dressing like this at stagecoach. No, she looked at all of her content, and she definitely, she’s got a phenomenal body, phenomenal and like, she wears more revealing stuff, but she looks amazing. And then all the tea came in. She was married before briefly, and Reddit claims she cheated on her husband, all these things that he was like spewing at her in these texts, not specifically that, but all like the rumors we’ve seen online, he threw back at her basically, essentially calling her a slut, right? And you can’t be trusted, and you’re a slut, and you don’t know how to be a good woman, and you’re not going to have a good life, and you’ll never be a good mother or a good wife, and it’s because she was at a party. And the funny thing was, and we don’t know all the videos, oh, he also said in his statement, which took away from the statement, and I won’t share the rest of the videos I got because she reposted the video, because he had a screenshot, and it was literally her and a crowd dancing, not grinding on anyone, not whatever.

So it was very clearly an overreaction. Very clearly he’s a very jealous boyfriend with her. Seems like he was the same way with kala. I also think that he says all of these things about. Her loving festivals and loving attention. And it’s yes, this is she is an influencer. It’s her job. This is her job. This is who she was when you met her. And if you want what you consider a good woman, then maybe you should find somebody who isn’t a public person and doesn’t make their money modeling on Instagram. Yeah, his his brother, Jesse, also deleted his Instagram, so they were, as a family, likely getting really bad feedback for Jesse to delete his Instagram. Haven’t checked if it’s back up, but as of Tuesday, Wednesday, it was deleted. I didn’t know that. I wonder what he’s hiding. Lord, oh, you guys, we always we believe women. I honestly though thought those text messages were so much worse than I would have guessed. I’m just so disappointed because you and I, we really loved Steven when we had him on the podcast, and we thought he was so charming and yes ma’am and so sweet and so wholesome. I just feel like he had you and I and so much of America fooled. I feel like we’ve been swindled, hoodwinked, bamboozled. It just doesn’t I mean, I’m out of the show now, are you? I don’t think so. I mean, I make all the background, but I don’t feel inclined to give him the ratings. Fuck him. I sure don’t. And I also feel now, based on, again, what his real behavior versus his camera behavior, I just don’t, I don’t trust, I don’t trust I don’t trust it.

And so I don’t really see the point. I don’t, I don’t think I’ll be watching, yeah, there’s enough to watch. Yeah, okay, let’s get to the leaks. The first leaked audio came out last week, and I haven’t actually complimented your work, but it just came out of nowhere. I started, and I just started making other voices. It was like, I really, I really, I crash out on what? I put a microphone in front of me, and I crash out. She’s a thespian. Those of you that haven’t listened to the emergency pod, because it is for subscribers, I read the leak, and so Amanda transcribed it, and Perry, I don’t know which one we ended up posting. They both rushed to transcribe it when it was leaked, and they put Amanda Sierra so everybody so I kept taking on the voice of or attempting to take on the voice of the person who was saying the line. It was so funny, but okay, so that was the first leak came out last week. And then over the weekend, there had been a couple more. I will talk about that in a second. But we also knew Bravo was investigating. And a few days later, I can’t remember now timeline when everything happened, but Bravo determined that it was a Bravo employee and not a cast member who recorded what was then leaked by we think somebody else. So I posted a meme, and I’m going to do my best to explain it to you guys, because everybody is like, what do you mean? Jennifer Lawrence, okay, so the meme said it was a fan, the fan that Andy was referring to on his podcast when he made a big deal about a fan helping find out who recorded at the reunion was Jennifer Lawrence.

So I can’t give you details beyond that, and I really hope that Andy does mention it. My guess is the next time she’s on watch, what happens live, they’re going to have a laugh about it. Here is what I need to clear up. Jennifer Lawrence did not help with who leaked it, because the assumption at this point is we know the Bravo told us, and we told you in cocktail party the night before that, the investigation determined a Bravo employee on set recorded the leaks. That employee then texted it, emailed it, what have you, to some of their friends. Likely those friends sent it to other friends, even though I’m sure the employee who recorded said, don’t send this to anyone. Nobody listens. Somehow, some way this recording got leaked on the Internet when Andy on his show thanked the fan. Okay, so Andy on the show did thank Bravo fan accounts for not posting the audio. He said, thank you to the Bravo accounts that didn’t but he specifically thanked a Bravo fan for helping him figure out who recorded it. That fan was Jennifer Lawrence. I wish I could get into detail, and at some point maybe I will be able to, but I’m asked not to do so now, just know that it is the person who also told me the results of the investigation which were also true, right? This person knows things. I I just need to have to know how this sausage was made, like how she got on the case, what the clues were, how they nabbed the suspect. Because as all of this was going on, as I mentioned, there were other leaks that also got shared on the internet, but Wes has been silent, so we’re not surprised about this, because for those of you guys who.

Have not heard. Unfortunately, he has been dealing with something else, very intense. Long story short, his cousin named Dakota was arrested and charged for murder, for murdering his grandmother, and that is West’s grandfather’s wife, so step grandmother, but it sounds like she’s been in his life. They were married 50 years. So, yeah, yeah, she’s 75 that means the Grandfather must have had children. Wes, father and sister young. And then I don’t know if he was a widow. I don’t know if he remarried, but they in the obituary, which I will not repost, obviously, but they’re standing in front of a cake that says 50 years married, and she’s 75 so doing the math, she was about 25 when they married. West’s entire life. This step grandmother has been in his life. We don’t know how close they were, obviously, but yeah, according to TMZ, A witness said that Dakota was quietly sitting in the same room as Gail Wilson, who was killed for 30 minutes before he allegedly shot her because they had been fighting over Dakota not helping with charges, he was arrested chores. Oh, what did I say? Charges? My assumption is maybe this cousin lived with the grandfather and step grandmother. Because Why is she complaining about chores unless they have like, a dinner, and he didn’t help clean up. But sounds like maybe he lived there. He was apparently arrested without incident, had the holster on him at the time. Just awful. This is absolutely tragic, horrific, really a life altering event for somebody to learn that, and we don’t know the relationship between Wes and his step grandmother or West and his first cousin.

But regardless, they all live in Missouri, where he’s from, and it is his first cousin, whether you see the person all the time or not, it is a lot to absorb, and this was the night before the reunion. Now I don’t know the details. Is there a possibility that somehow West’s family kept this from him until after the reunion, and we may hear him speak about it at some point, and we were listen. We’re all unhappy with West, but sympathy is condolences are due, and you guys West and his cousin are his cousin’s 28 West is 31 I don’t see unless there was some sort of family issue in the family and they grew up together. That’s who you play with. That family get togethers is your cousins. I will want, would like to point out that in the obituary, all the cousins were named, and West has a first cousin named Sierra. She spells it differently, but I found that a little ironic, I gotta tell you. Oh, that is wild. Yeah. Prayers to the entire Wilson family. Prayers for his poor grandmother, step grandmother, just disturbing and awful. I just I can’t imagine getting news like that and then going into a reunion when you know you are on the menu and you’re going to be grilled for 10 hours. I If he did know the news, I have to hand it to him for even showing up to the reunion. It obviously does not give him a hall pass for his previous behavior. But just such a terrible situation. Okay, back to the leaked audio. I don’t know that I can ever do the justice to the situation that you did be, but we will read some of this.

Bailey says, physically, I physically, with my own eyes, saw you one night kissing and making out with Kyle and then leaving with West Amanda joke, I jokingly kissed Kyle. Kyle says she kissed me on the lips, which was weird, because I was dumbstruck that she was there. She says I jokingly kissed Kyle. Kyle, she kissed me on the lips. I think I just replaced that. Sorry. Bailey says it was multiple kisses and I was talking to That’s crazy to me. Sierra says, When was that? Lindsay says, February 28 Sierra, oh, but then, because you’re married, then you’re with your husband. Amanda, can you stop saying that? Yeah. Amanda also said, but that wasn’t like an intimate, romantic, it was jokey. Jokey, yeah, Sierra, and then you left with West. Sierra says, Wait, but you are married. That was your husband. You were Amanda. Guys, let’s see, I’m just skipping through some of these parts that are, like, unintelligible. Amanda Kyle’s making out with other people. Sierra Katie’s been my best friend since third grade. Andy, so then Kyle, so the kiss was after Sierra, I guess she’s a much better friend. I hope so. So what Sarah is saying is, yeah. So before that, somebody said, How would you feel if Katie was hooking up with Kyle and she goes, can’t compare it. Katie’s been my best friend since third grade. Yeah, Kyle, so I walked in. You were coming from another bar we walked into, you know it was me, Jesse, and a bunch of our friends. Wes and Amanda were sitting next. Each other in a big Andy says this was when Bailey, March, Jesse, February 28 Amanda, we didn’t make out I was drunk.

We were being silly. Kyle, she walked up to me like she was surprised to see me. We kissed on the lips. I was like, I’m gonna go order $300 worth of food, and because we’re all going back to us, he was too bad, too fucked up to even speak. Literally, Bailey, when I got there, there was kissing and flirting. Jesse, yeah, and that was the first time I asked Amanda, are you hooking up with West so then Lindsay’s out. Watch What Happens Live, and she says her iconic line of, imagine using your husband as a decoy for your boyfriend. We don’t know. So here are the options. She was kissing Kyle to throw the scent off of her with West because everybody bumped into them at the bar, not knowing they were hanging out. I’m like, Wait, what are Amanda and West doing here? Why didn’t they invite anyone else? Or she was kissing Kyle to make West jealous, because they have some weird perversion. West was seeing other people they get off on I just okay. So that was actually my first thought, because watching the show this week, seeing Amanda’s on the actual show, not Watch What Happens Live, seeing Amanda’s reactions, they were super weird, obviously, on the text thread, and then in person, she was she acted jealous. And then did anybody else notice she wore a tight red dress? Yeah, soft bar opening that she knew okay. She knew us was going to be there. When have we ever seen her do that she years? Ever wear since early seasons? I don’t ever see her wear it bright colors and nothing tight is never the look that I was like.

This feels to me like I am trying to get your attention and shift you back off of Sierra, because I know what happened last weekend, and I don’t like it, whether or not it means that she and Wes had already hooked up. I just think that dress women, we know women, and that dress and her behavior were because of jealousy, and she was trying to make him jealous too. Can I say something also? Yes, when she was talking to Jesse, and Jesse was telling her, she says, Wes needs to be careful, because I don’t know if Sierra can handle a friendship. So prior to this whole situation, we may have thought she was looking out for Ciara, but really what she was doing was saying he had to deal with two years of dealing with the backlash from fans. So if he starts like she wanted to, she wanted Jesse. I’m sure she would give that message to west, but she wanted Jesse to double, double down on that message. You know what? Cool off. Yes, be friends with each other, but don’t be hanging out and going on dates, because the second you make out with somebody or whatever, she’s going to be interested in you again, and the fans are going to hate you again. She wanted to put that narrative. She wanted to scare west into. She is in such a clear panic when everyone she’s hearing from Kyle, because you notice, on the walk her and Sierra took in the city, Amanda never bothered to ask Sierra anything either. She knew it from West. She didn’t want to hear it. She’s completely self absorbed, whatever it is, but it’s just I thought to myself, that scene on the boat when Kyle was talking about the texts, and then when she called and said, Where’s Sierra?

And then when she immediately went into I can’t believe he said, best night ever. Then one night I wasn’t there. I said to myself, self, if this hadn’t become public, would we be looking at this with suspicion, or would we still just think everything was hunky dory, Kathy Hilton style, and just think, Oh, they’re all just such an intimate friend group. I don’t know. Maybe it could have been a totally innocent thing, isolated, right? I would be so bummed if my friends were all in the Hamptons, and I didn’t go and they had the best night out. I would be bummed from a FOMO reason not because so it could be, but my heart broke for him when he said, This is my text thread with Amanda, Hi, baby. I just landed. Hi. I just got to the hotel. Okay, I’m heading back. Okay, just finished my set. Gonna, gonna head back to the hotel and no response that, plus the no sex for years, I was like this. It makes me see the whole situation so very differently, it does. But I want to say this, we’re judging it in light of the fact that we believe she was cheating on him, if not physically, which I believe it was physical, definitely emotionally. But if she hadn’t been having an affair with West, we would look at that and say, You know what, she finally was in a place where, how many years did she sit around in that bedroom, pacing, calling him and him not pick up? So again, without the affair, we would have seen the sad disintegration of their marriage, I’m gonna disagree. I think the cheating really kind of has nothing to do with it, in this case with the Kyle.

I’m not saying I wouldn’t feel bad for him, but I would see it as proof that their marriage was ending was bad because she was giving him what she had received. For so many years, which is still the case. I mean, yeah, like, and it wasn’t okay when he did it to her. And I think there’s an immaturity there. I remember it was the season that Lindsay and Kyle, Lindsay and Carl were engaged, and where they were fighting, and so it got overshadowed because of their engagement breakup. But I distinctly remember they were at, it’s when they had that conversation. And she was like, you called an Uber. And he’s, it was a lift. Remember they were on like a dock, and Amanda and Kyle were talking. And I remember this because this really stuck with me. And Kyle and Amanda were struggling in their marriages. They really have always and Kyle was like, but I want to go to cup. And this was before she started therapy on her own and got on medication. He’s I really want to go to couples therapy. And she was like, No, I don’t want to. If you want therapy, you go. I don’t want to go to couples therapy. And I remember just thinking at the time, I wish she would go. That’s a very immature answer. You’re in a marriage. It is struggling. You guys need help, and your spouse is willing to go for that help, and you’re shutting it down, like, where do you go from here? So then I know this summer she said she would, and whatever, but that always stuck with me, and I do think maybe marriage counseling wouldn’t have helped, but I think we can blame Kyle for so much simple as that.

But I do think that more so than Amanda, Kyle wanted to salvage it. Kyle wanted us work on a solution. She just never really wanted to. Yeah, it seems like she still just wanted to litigate stuff that happened before they even got married, and that is pretty problematic. So I haven’t actually listened to the other leaked recordings. I’ve obviously just read the transcripts. Do you think when Bailey said there was kissing and flirting? Does she mean Amanda and West were kissing in front of everyone at this brunch. I don’t think that she means that Amanda was kissing everyone at this brunch, because they would specifically say that, or that would have been cited. But I did think it was interesting when Jesse said it was the first time he asked Amanda and West, because I think Kyle said West was so drunk. So I think Jesse must have seen something that led him to believe something Bailey. I think it’s Bailey who said it. No, Jesse said Jesse first time I asked them. So I think Bailey and Jesse either weren’t as drunk as everybody else, or were paying better attention. And I somehow think Kyle missed it. I really believe Kyle missed it. I don’t believe I see a lot of people saying from last night’s episode, oh, Kyle was picking up on it. Kyle really wasn’t picking up on it. I do think this was around the time that Kyle started shouting in bars, Wes is fucking my wife. Because I think that they saw each they saw them there. And I think there was weirdness with them. And I think that she kissed Kyle, which was weird, and even under those circumstances, could be viewed as, okay, she’s trying to be like, don’t worry.

I’m kissing Kyle, so I’m not but then she did leave with West, and there’s so much drinking involved, and we also there’s the rumors of the cocaine. So, yeah, yeah, Inter, I just, I really can’t wait to watch this reunion. I saw a post where somebody said I would pay X amount of money. I forget how much you said, to be able to just watch an unedited 10 hour of the whole reunion. And I think they attacked Peacock, and peacock responded with a little the looky eyes. So we’ll see what happens. So what I picked up on the leaks that I heard, because it’s it is different when you hear the tone of voice, I think so it’ll be interesting when you hear it. Amanda is mad in the audio. My feeling is that Amanda overplayed her hand. I think that she thought that fans would ride for her, but the majority are very clearly team Ciara. Heck, they’re even team Kyle. I’m really not sure in what delusional world she thought she could make a joint statement saying, oops, sorry if we hurt anyone, but we like each other, I think so. We’re going to be exploring this, and then post and say, guys, for my mental health, I got to get back on the internet. And popped out at the Yankees bar. Was overheard telling fans that they could touch about fans not telling them straight to them people could touch grass. It’s not that big of a deal. We’re both single. I really think she thought maybe that’s what the bread crumbing us was about. Maybe she thought they would soft launch it. And so when it got announced, it was like, listen, we’re just exploring this.

We’re just hooking up, but West and Sierra are not together. Yeah, they hooked up after the summer this year, but we haven’t been together. I’m going through a divorce. We’re both single, and we like each other, and I really think that she’s shocked and angry that she lost all her brand deals, all this fan backlash, and she’s mad at her cast for holding her accountable, because she certainly doesn’t sound sorry. She sounds angry. She sounds annoyed, but sympathetic is, yes, defensive, the line about it not being the same, because Katie is her best friend from third grade, shows an entitlement like no other. So just an offhand thought, as we’re talking through all of this, as we’re all still trying to figure out the timeline. Has anyone gone through bravocon footage and pictures? Because somebody really should. We knew as cocktails that Amanda and Kyle were separated and were talking about it, but it was not publicly known, and they definitely had not confirmed it publicly. If you guys will remember, back at bravocon days, there was no mention of the divorce or separation or any of that yet. So I just wonder, did Amanda and West feel emboldened if they were hooking up back then because the public, who aren’t cocktails, didn’t know about them being over. Yeah, and let’s think back to whose hand she was holding the entire time Sierra’s and let’s think back to the fact that we have a confirm that Sierra and West hooked up in December, which is a month after bravocon. So the layers of betrayal and deception are so real, and we all know that because we’ve all been following this.

But there’s so many things that come in, and you guys are on the website, you read it all, but something that stood out to me is a cocktail or who was her and Katie’s neighbor, they grew up on the same block said that Amanda took one of her good friend’s ex boyfriends to prom, and the good friend wasn’t happy about it, like this entitled victim. Which brings me to something that I saw posted from Reddit, and it was posted on your mom’s and I really was like, wow, so I’m gonna read it for you guys. Okay, Amanda Betula and the Carrie Bradshaw accountability crisis, there is a very specific kind of adult woman who makes adult choices, creates adult consequences, and then somehow still gets treated like a fragile, romantic heroine who just needs to be understood. Carrie Bradshaw lived there for decades. Amanda has been renting in the same building. And I think part of why this feels so obvious now is because Sarah, Jessica Parker has done such a spectacular job shitting all over the nostalgia a lot of us collectively carried for Sex in the City. Wow. A lot of the content, I kind of don’t love the SJP slander, but I think it I love Sex in the City. I’ll read it, and then we’ll discuss a lot of the content was and still is relevant, but the spell has broken around Carrie as a character on re watch, she is less whimsical, romantic chaos, Goblin, and more grown woman who repeatedly destroys her own life, hurts people, narrates around it, and still gets rescued from the worst consequences of her own decisions.

This tracks with Amanda’s public image right now. For years, Amanda was protect, protected by the chaos around her Kyle was loud, embarrassing, drunk, immature and easy to blame. Paige, Lindsay, Sierra, Danielle and the rest of the cast were more dynamic, more polarizing, more entertaining, more obviously messy. Amanda got to sit in the middle of that looking tired, pretty wounded and reasonable by comparison, that comparison did a lot of heavy lifting. In light of recent events, the question becomes, was Amanda actually the reasonable one, or was she just quieter? Was she mature, or did she benefit from being surrounded by louder dysfunction. Was she sympathetic, or was Kyle absorbing so much of the heat that nobody looked too closely at her? Carrie was surrounded by women who were funnier, sharper, more interesting and often more self aware. The show told us that she was the center, so we accepted her as the center. Amanda has benefited from a similar narrative ecosystem. She did not need to be the most compelling person in the room, because the room was already doing the work for her, and now the lighting has changed Savage. I’m like true about Carrie too, and I love Carrie, and I see the inaccuracies and everything, but yeah, I agree. I and I do think I don’t love the, yeah, I’m with you. I don’t love the Sarah Jessica Parker nailing but, but there are things that I think that when I watch it, listen so true. When you and I were watching Sex in the City, we were in our early 20s, Carrie was in her mid to late 30s, and I’m sorry, I am a person who does believe we should evolve and grow, and with age should come wisdom.

And so I personally feel like when I was watching that, I was watching it from the headspace of a college kid, which is what I was, and then, yeah, early 20s, whereas if I had been the same age as Carrie Bradshaw, I probably would have found it a little more stunted than I did as a 21 year old. Yeah, it is really funny, because this person says Carrie was told, we are essentially told that she was the center, so we accepted her as that. And I’m like, it’s funny that you say that, because I never identified with Carrie. The most, like I had parts of all the rest of them that I really, truly loved, but Carrie was always that weird enigma to me, because I was like, Why does she act like this? But I always liked her so much, yeah. But back to Amanda. I think this person is really nailed it, right? Because it was a by comparison thing. But then you take the comparison away, and then and see her on her own, we don’t really know, and we don’t and the things that we’re finding out and the ways that we’re seeing her behave post split are not good. I don’t know. Maybe, just maybe, we were all right all along, when we said and felt that married couples really shouldn’t be in share houses with I don’t know, was Amanda always this way. Are we being too harsh? Are we rewriting history? Or is this a result of her living in an alternative reality universe for 10 years and being in a bad relationship and then marriage and her acting out, and she wasn’t always this way. But then I go back to the stuff we’re told from high school about taking the ex boyfriend, and I’m sorry, you know how I feel.

Yes, we get older, we evolve, but your core character is your core character. I did things when I was a teenager, when I was a young person, that certainly I wouldn’t do now, but I never there are just some things that you don’t do. Yeah, absolutely. So I just found that very interesting. Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I think that it was really it makes me think about everything a little bit differently. Okay, so let’s shift back to the valley and go back to the whole Michelle and Dr Dre situation. So here we are again. It’s Monday morning. It was a day. Photos confirmed. Photos confirmed that we posted in cocktail before any picture came out. Side note that Michelle and Dr Dre were together. We then got intel that they were first spotted together at Chateau Marmont in May 2025 which checks out because Michelle broke up with Aaron in the spring of 2025 so she would have been newly single. It’s not clear whether they’ve been together since then, or, I think more likely, they hung out a few times. Maybe it’s picking up a little steam. Now, I do have to say, and I don’t remember knowing about this, but immediately when I posted this, you guys were like, B, Dr Dre has a lot of claims from his ex girlfriends, his ex wife, that he is physically abusive. So initially, my thought was good for her. Dr Dre is a rap icon. He’s rich, he’s famous, he’s older. I think he’s cute. But now hearing that I’m like, Wait, why? Like, abuse allegations, so that makes me extremely nervous. I hope for her sake, it’s not true, but it just seems like a lot of people were saying that I don’t want to speak bad on Dr Dre’s name.

He is very rich and powerful, and those are just allegations that are in print elsewhere that we have not printed. We are just repeating what is said by his ex partners. I had not heard that either. I really hope that if the allegations are true, that the sing with Michelle and Dr Dre isn’t serious. So apparently, they had been partying together for a while and were introduced by her friend Ashley, who is the General Manager of aftermath records, which is Dr Dre’s label. I have a feeling like they’re there for a good time, not a long time. Yeah, I just don’t see this as a long term situation. It was funny yesterday on Ryan Bailey’s podcast, he had me on. We had so much fun. We’re definitely gonna have him on Amanda. He’s so great. I like Grace takes you. Posted something of his today, and I was like, that’s such a good point. Now I’m just blanking on what? And he shouts, shouts out us in our pod all the time, and we appreciate it very much. We shout him out on here as well. So he said to me, do you think, Dr Dre I’m like, listen, I would be crazier things have happened, but I would be shocked. I could see if they’re dating next season, all of a sudden, Michelle is driving a Range Rover and living in a fancy condo, a la la la la and Randall, but I don’t believe that he will film. No, there’s no way. There’s no I mean, does he like? Does he like pick her up from a barbecue in the valley, and do we see him through the window? Maybe there’s no no. I You guys, okay, if we’re thinking back to back in the days where I just did not believe the lesson, Amanda, this is even further down the spectrum of there’s no way.

It’s just not, no, I do have to tell you something that will bring you great joy. Oh, Sheena said somewhere at some point that Dr Dre is one of her whole passes. I mean, has anyone checked on Sheena? Anyone even bothered we had. At the Dancing with the Stars announcement. We have her, I don’t even know if her Michelle are talking. I don’t know. I know you’re a little behind on the valley, but I wanted to close up because we don’t have enough time to get all the way into Rhode Island. So we’ll save that for next week, because when we go Rhode Island, we’re really gonna have to, oh, it’s so good. Cut it up. Valley’s a little slow this season, so I’m not surprised you’re a little behind because you’re not rushing. You’re not rushing to watch it the last couple seasons, where it was very exciting. So it was, it was really, it’s not even that, because I would definitely would have watched it last night, but my husband really likes to watch that show, and he was out last night, and so I didn’t want to watch it without him. Had it been, had I been more, I would never get more than one behind. And anyway, I was, I thought about watching it this morning, because then I was like, Oh, I really should have watched it, but it has been slow. Here’s the thing, and you’ve seen this because you’re pretty much up to date this point, the only people talking to Janet are Lala and Britney, right? And Michelle, so the three of them, like all these group events she’s not at, and then they’re really icing her out.

So is the Janet bashing? Because in this episode, we see them all, she gets brought up, and they’re all bashing her, and then she shows up to the party, and she pulls Zach aside, and he’s very clearly, like, we know what goes on, because we’re watching a reality show. So he made up with her last year and then sided with Danny and Nia. But you do get the sense of a mob mentality, right? So there’s power in numbers. So she’s outnumbered, and whereas if Zach was outnumbered, he might be more inclined to make up, he was giving her a really hard time and really made her work for it. And at the end of the conversation, they were joking a little bit, and moving forward, we’ll see. I don’t think that lasts is the Janet ice out making us sympathetic to her? I definitely think so, because I feel like anytime somebody is just continually left out, and I immediately feel protective of them, even with Janet, it’s but in real life, if Janet did so, we have to put it like all together, because in real life, if Janet did what she did, and it was to Danny and yet, see, here’s the thing, she went overboard. And that actually is what Zach part of what he said to reason, the language that you use is so crazy and okay, he should not have grabbed Jasmine’s fiance, but Janet made it the whole focus, and made it so much like he was like a sexual predator, and so that was going too far. So we can understand why Nia and Danny don’t want anything to do with her, but if Jasmine and her fiance, whose name always escapes me.

Can forgive Danny, certainly they can forgive Janet. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, he’s sexually assaulted. Like, yeah, I guess you’re right. That really doesn’t have anything to do with jasmine and her fiance, like she was, like, trying to stick up for them. I don’t know. It’s just, it’s hard. Because, on the one hand, I understand that, like, Kristen just doesn’t want, like, they just don’t want to be friends with her. Be friends with her, so they’re trying to get her off the shell. But I don’t think it’s gonna work. And so let me tell you a little story from my personal life. I’m gonna try to give without a lot of identifying identifiers. So in the larger group of friends. We were all at a thing, at a get together, and one one woman, and then and a man, like married to different people, started having a disagreement, and it was really just about like stupid things. But then it escalated. Wait, so two men started having a woman and a man. They’re not married to each other, they’re within the same so there’s already your friend comfortable because it’s like opposite, because they’re like, fighting is, yeah. And then it was one of those things where, obviously drinking had been happening, right? But it one of them said something just so awful to the other person. Was it the man saying it to the woman? Or was it the woman saying it to the man? I don’t want to say just because I don’t want to give it was it was, I have to, you’re right, it was a woman saying it to the man, okay?

And it turned into, then the spouses, especially the guy’s wife, starts yelling at the other girl, and it this is, there was normally people throughout cheating, yeah, within the same large friend group, right? There was no and just so you guys know, no cheating anything. It was really the original argument really happened about something really stupid, like a common misunderstanding. Was just a it was it just had nothing. It wasn’t like a sexual wasn’t that situation, right? Because I know that’s where people’s brains would automatically go, and I really want to be clear that had nothing to do with anything. It was a situation. But then this person just really took it up, like a huge like 500 notches by. Saying she pulled a Janis, yes, but yeah, it’s pulled to Janet. So then after some time, this person apologized at the party or No, God no, it was like it was a whole thing that night, right? It ended very awkwardly for everybody, yes, and how many? So were there? A lot, a lot a lot of people saw this happen. We’ll just put it that way. Talk about anxiety the next day. What I Oh, are you kidding me? Yes. So I guess what I’m trying to say is the so this person who said the awful thing, very genuinely apologized in person to both people. Okay, and as time went through, like everything’s been okay again. It took some time, but everything’s been okay again. And so I look at that situation where I’m like, if this has happened in my actual friend group, and but maybe the difference here is that nobody feels like Janet and Jason have truly, genuinely apologized.

So what I saw from Janet to Zach was it was genuine. Because my feeling is she is saying she’s in therapy. She is saying, I know I need to work. She said in this conversation, I need to work on the fact that I have to always be right the language that I use such harsh language and so but the thing is, what we haven’t seen is Janet willing to extend that apology to Danny and Nia like she still feels what I was saying happened. So I think that’s the it. And honestly, it’s different because it’s he sexual. But I guess the point is now the two couples you mentioned, I doubt that they’re calling each other anytime soon to go out on a double date, but in the larger group, they can be civil. Totally Yeah. And were you better friends with one or the other? I was friends with both, yeah and I was better friends with one than the other, but I was definitely friends with both and trying to mediate, yikes during the whole Yeah, so anyway. But like I said, if they had got, have gotten to a place now where they’re all fine, then, like, in the larger group, and, like, to that point, she just has to say hello and goodbye to Danny and Nia. Like, right? But like, Zach carrying it and it just, I just think it’s people I can’t, I, and I agree with that, but I can’t, I still can’t get over like Kristen flipping out in front of Janet’s son, like I just, I feel like that’s and it’s also hypocritical, because Kristen would absolutely lose her mind if, when Kaya is a toddler, someone does that to her.

I think, yeah, and guys, I am not a Janet apologist by any No, I’m not either. I do not. It is kind Young’s make a right. And I think Kristen’s behavior is abhorrent. I think, honestly, it’s making people feel bad for Janet little by little. And then you also have Danny, who his wife can only cover for him so much, and there’s something about him that’s rubbing me the wrong way this season. Agree? I completely agree. Just something. It’s one of the big things is like the fact that he’s minimizing the fact that his wife is having postpartum depression, yeah, and then joking about having another kid when she is up to her eyeballs and overwhelmed. That’s pretty Dick behavior. Excuse my language, but it is. Yeah, there’s something there that’s icky. And I just think that Janet doesn’t like that. I just the reality shows are interesting because Nia is such a sweet, nice person that it makes her the victim when really, Janet is attacking something her husband, actually, nia’s husband actually did. But also, what’s Nia supposed to do? It’s her husband. So it’s complicated, yeah, but we love you guys as always. Thank you for tuning in, and Rhode Island is already nominated for a Critics Award. So been out. It’s so good a month. Aramila is nominated for a Critics Award. Alan Cummings is nominated for a Critics Award. Rob that cutie from traders is nominated. Heather gay is nominated, which why? Lisa Rena is nominated. Next year, it’s gonna be mark from ladies of London, I love Can I just tell you guys, it’s really coffee, yes, how hard I almost peed my pants.

They’re having they’re at the dinner at the pub that then they find out that Marco has left right, and Micah in her lovely way, she says she’s unwell, and Mark straight faced side. Did she trip? I don’t know why I find that so funny, so funny. He’s so funny. I think he’s gonna be nominated next. He’s so good. I love it. Okay, we love you guys. Till next time bye. You. What’s up? Cocktails, we want to thank you, as always, for listening to cocktails and gossip. Because of you, we’ve hit some amazing milestones, had some hilarious conversations, and have grown a truly amazing community. If you haven’t already followed our podcast, hit the Follow button in the top right of your apple podcast player, the Follow button under the show logo on Spotify, or the subscribe button on Google podcasts, we thrive on you our audience, so make sure to tell all your gossip loving friends about us too. And if you want to get all the tea, join our membership cocktail party by going to Bravo and cocktails.com backslash, join our members get access to the exclusive tea. We post the weekly podcast without ads, plus another additional bonus podcast every week. And of course, members also get to join us on our monthly live cocktail party zoom, where we talk about the latest tea and even share tea that’s just too hot to put in writing. Last, but maybe best, our members get access to the cocktail party discord, where you can chat with Amanda me and all of the other cocktails as well. There are always some great combos and hilarious comments happening in discord.

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