We have a full breakdown on everything we know about the West and Amanda scandal and when we knew it. All the DMs, the source information, the emails to our Send Us Tea inbox, we have it all for you. This podcast was recorded on Tuesday, March 31, just hours after Amanda and West released their statement confirming that they have been hooking up. Buckle up Cocktailers!
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Hear more about:
– Secret hookup between Amanda & West (betrayal of Ciara): The central scandal and friendship betrayal
– Timeline controversy — when did it really start?
– Possible overlap with other relationships
– Betrayal of Kyle (friend + ex-husband dynamic)
– Lack of accountability in their public statement
– Lying or hiding the truth from cast and public
– Impact on careers, brand deals, and public image
– Fallout affecting the show & cast dynamics
B: Cocktails. Amanda statement was released an hour ago. Amanda and I stopped, dropped and rolled to our microphones and headphones, and we’re recording. You’re gonna get an early pod this week, because this shit is bananas.
Speaker 1: Ever like considered starting smoking,
B: having a panic attack all day long, just
Amanda: been insane. You guys, like, in the best way, in the best like the entire our entire side of the internet is galvanized around this whole thing, but it’s been
B: it’s spinners. I would like to apologize to any cocktail or who has had any other interest in the last week. I too bad don’t have the mental or physical capacity to really focus on anything else. So I if I just liked your post and didn’t respond with an answer or a link to Intel, as I normally do, just know that if you ask me again in a few days, I will. I’m just, I my brain can only move at some I’m getting old.
Amanda: It’s just, it’s been, it’s been a lot, but everybody has been so great. I was gonna say, b How are you doing?
B: First of all, I want to shout out all of our sources, all of our cocktails, our friend, who shall remain nameless, that found out through her friend of a friend, that the statement was coming that was an exclusive. Nobody believed it. Every media outlet was like, there’s no statement. Bravo. And cocktails doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Why would they have a statement to the point where I you know how I get Amanda, and I would like you guys to know that I question myself, and Amanda steadies me, and she’s like, No, we trust our sources. This is legit. I saw the Intel. We’re good. And I’m like, Okay, thank you. Yeah, and you guys,
Amanda: there’s a lot of conversations that we have about this. Just like earlier today, we got so sad, but we got that picture of Sierra sitting on the sidewalk crying and talking to somebody, and we’re all talking about we’re not posting this. We have these conversations quite a bit, and the New York Post did post it if we didn’t want to
B: go there. Now, listen, enough, yeah, like it’s crazy. We I don’t need to post a picture of Sierra sitting in real time being upset. We know Sierra is going to be upset. Granted, she looked absolutely gorgeous. How could with that? Said I’m not, I support women, and I’m not doing that, right? We’ve all been there. We’ve all been betrayed and hurt, and I’m not capitalizing on somebody who is a good, genuinely kind person’s pain, right?
Amanda: I’m gonna ask you how, in that
B: way, I guess we are talking about
Amanda: obviously, but I was gonna ask you how you’re doing, but I know how you’re doing. I know you’re tired, but good. Okay, good.
B: It’s like, tiring, but it’s also a lot of fun we have and Amanda and I have so much fun with you guys and discord and DMS like messaging with each other. You guys are the best. And the thing about it is my friends who know that I do this are always like, how do you do it? And I’m like, because it’s not me. I have Amanda, I have Tracy, and I have an army Perry and Perry, and then at all of the cocktails who are like, in it with me, and think things out with me. And I often share, like, people, Stuff People Say in my DMs. And I’m like, Oh my God. What about this? And then we all start talking like, Oh my God. And it pushes, it pushes pusses. It puts the pieces of the puzzle together. So it’s if it were me, Bravo, and cocktails would be a lot more boring and uncool, but it’s a team and cocktails and everybody.
Amanda: It’s so true. So yeah, literally guys, I’m out. So I guess first of all, we are today is Tuesday. We’re recording. We usually record on a Thursday. I don’t
B: think we’ve ever recorded on Wednesdays. We do as our alternate but never a Tuesday
Amanda: cocktail party. Members, you guys usually get the ad free version of this podcast on Friday. We decided, just because there’s even been so much that’s happened since the emergency pod, that we’d go ahead and record early and have cocktail party members get this. We’re hoping it’ll go up by Wednesday, so you guys will get it even two days earlier, and then the ad supported version of this podcast will go at as usual, on Saturday for non members.
B: Oh my god, guys, I just have to share this. I’m going to close my phone because I can’t look at DMS. Lindsay posted a story. Do you know that guy from Love is blind? The liar? Yeah. Who’s with? Beautiful blog. Lindsay wrote the New publicist with a picture of him. I love you.
Amanda: Lindsay Hubbard, I have to look at it. You guys know, I don’t usually like to get off and look at stuff, but I just can’t. I can’t, I can’t not see, oh my god, Alex. It’s Alex, the guy, a soccer player, guy that we couldn’t even get straight, for those of you guys who watch the show, what city he lived in? Like, that much of a liar? Yeah, that’s hilarious.
B: All right, I’m off on that, looking again, okay, yes,
Amanda: for sure, for real, but literally. An hour before this has been like, we’ve literally been like, but then this, then this, then this, and then this, and this is why we’re recording today, because so much has happened. So an hour before we’re supposed to record today, we get the joint statement from Amanda, and Wes confirming everything. I think the best thing to do is, let’s read the statement first, and then let’s kind of go back to tell you how all this went down, at least from all the tea that we’ve gotten.
B: I have it on my phone. Do you want me to read it? Sure. Go for it. Okay, by the way, we told you they’d be making a statement together on Saturday morning, and a lot of people didn’t believe it. But here’s the statement. West posted it to his story, and Amanda posted it to hers. We’ve seen the growing online speculation. So while this is still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity. It was never our intention to purposely hide anything, given the complicated relationship dynamics involved and the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show, we needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We’ve shown up for each other as friends over the years, through all the highs and lows, and what’s developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of a genuine, long standing friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care. As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognize that this has had an impact, impact beyond just us, and never wanted our actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding and respect as we navigate this. So things that jump out at me, they want us to know this is very new. That’s the first thing that jumps out. They are concerned about the way it will be perceived. That’s what jumps out. What also jumps out is they didn’t name the parties that were hurt, specifically Sierra and Kyle and Vanita posted to her story something to the effect of there it is. Imagine making a statement hard, launching a connection, and not even considering apologizing to the person you hurt. But I guess that tracks, oh, and then Dave Portnoy, I’m sorry. I’m just spitting a couple of things before we get into it. Reposted. Dave Portnoy commented and shared the New York Post about the announcement, and said yon chicken fry told me this, it’s Super Bowl, old news, so they’ve been hooking up since Super Bowl. Oh accord, according to this, some people are saying they’ve been hooking up since back to last summer.
Amanda: But Well, I think the two big questions that really come out of this now that will be of discussion are when, meaning, when did this start?
B: And whatnot, they’re gonna deny it was any earlier than, like, February.
Amanda: And then what next? Right? Because the summer, what happens this summer? I was just thinking about this. I’m like, Amanda, like you literally sat on the emergency pod, Amanda, don’t blow up your glow up, right? And she just done and did it. And yeah, what brands are gonna be going for her?
B: Now, if she do ask people in my DMs who say this isn’t terrible. They have a connection. He’s not with Sierra. She’s divorcing Kyle. I don’t think that’ll be the majority of people. I think there will be a section of people. I mean, they’re both
Amanda: single, sure that’s where I don’t think of this.
B: If you’re Amanda and you don’t prioritize your friendship with Sierra, because whatever, regardless of the fact that her and West, we know hooked up in December, and maybe after that, we know, I know they hooked up around US Open. I know they hooked up December, okay, regardless of whether they did or didn’t. We all know Sierra has a thing for West, whether it is reciprocated by him or not. She holds. Candle for him. Yeah, we know that. Amanda knows that. So this connection with West meant more to her than her friendship with Sierra. She made that choice because that is a choice you make. Okay, now it is, is this just a hookup? Which is what West crew is telling me, like he didn’t intend for this to be a relationship, but once they got caught, they had to say something, and they’re saying that they think Amanda wants more, but Amanda’s always wanted more because she’s always had a man, okay,
Amanda: but tell me this, if Amanda and West are not still dating this summer. Do you see them being on summer house at all? I don’t. I think the only lot of people be on it, simple
B: fire, Amanda and West and everyone else proceed.
Amanda: I think that’s a very big possibility. I think they know their only shots is if they’re still together and still, I don’t think Sierra will film no
B: with so then people are saying Sierra can just go to the spin off, and Amanda and Wes can stay on summer house.
Amanda: I don’t, I don’t see that either. We’ll talk more about this, but the implications of this are so much bigger, I think, for this show, because of the show’s format, of people living together, right? And the way that it’s it’s set like and it’s very clear the cast is taking sides. We saw it in all the reaction pics, and we’re going to get into all of this, you guys, but we feel like we just like B and I haven’t even really had a chance to talk about how what all this is going to mean, and I think those are going to be the two big questions everyone’s talking about, when did it start? And what happens next?
B: Exactly? So what we’re going to do now is we’re gonna walk through everything we’ve had so we may go back a little bit and then get to where we are right now. Yeah, yeah. Well, just because it makes sense for all of us, myself included, to go through all of the Intel, right and then talk about where we’re at now, right? But first we have to welcome all of our new cocktail is Welcome, guys,
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B: Yes. Okay, so you guys know, last week, when we recorded on Wednesday, Amanda and I were firm in the fact that we didn’t believe that West and Amanda were Amanda betool. I hate that you guys have the same name. It confuses me. I can only imagine some of our listeners. But then shortly thereafter, recording, we got some information that changed drastically what we thought, right? So let’s walk through this, everybody.
Amanda: Let’s do it. So obviously we will admit, guys, when we are wrong. We were wrong. I think a lot of people can identify with how we are feeling, because nobody wanted it to be we didn’t want to be right. We definitely didn’t want to be right. But B and I, behind the scenes, we thought maybe Kyle was making it up to deflect from his bad behavior. Because remember, last week was, as Andy said, his worst episode, Kyle’s worst episode in 10 years. And then we thought Amanda would never cross that line. But like be said, We got evidence we couldn’t ignore. We realized we had to bring you all into the fold immediately, which is why we put out the emergency pod on Thursday, and the tea just kept coming, coming, coming, coming in. So we’ll take it from the top. We mentioned this on last week’s pod. We had heard that the girls meaning Amanda Betula and. Sierra were in Palm Springs in the area that they were doing a brand deal with Amazon and Ollie, the supplement brand. They were not only scheduled to do an Amazon lot Amazon live together, but previous they had done a big, professionally produced video promotion for this joint appearance. So this is such a big thing that Amazon and Ollie were like, Let’s get a crew. Let’s let’s get wardrobe, makeup, all of us, let’s shoot this promo for this live, because this live is going to be so big. Okay, so it’s not just something that was scheduled. This was heavily promoted and invested into instead of the joint live, they did separate lives. And that was the first big that was the first big piece of intel that made us really start to question things. And then we pointed out that they were both in the same location, but they weren’t hanging out. We saw that there were some other posts about them, not filming or not not being together, not doing the live together. Sierra’s makeup artist liked the post, which also made our eyebrows raise, but we’re like, Well, no, maybe Sierra’s just mad because Amanda’s been hanging with us. At that point, this is when we started to really raise our eyebrows. I guess I’ll say, yeah.
B: So at this point, our antennas were up, but I really I just couldn’t, I couldn’t see Amanda doing that to Sierra again because, like I said, not that they were married, but because my best friend doesn’t need to be married to be emotionally invested and connected to somebody. And that is what would stop me, not a certificate from because you could make the argument that some people are married and split and are amicable and actually would be fine with you know what? I mean, Liara clearly wouldn’t be fine with it. So someone, Oh, the other thing was the timeline, right? Because I was saying to Amanda, listen, Amanda, I have, like, evidence that they hooked up around the US, yes, and in December at one of those influencer dinners. So I’m sure there were other times in between, but those are the two times that I sources confirmed for me. They were at Super Bowl together, which now Dave port and I was coming out saying chicken fry. Told him that. So it is quite possible that at Super Bowl West, hooked up with Sierra, and around the same time, was making out and kissing Amanda in bars, because that’s how it started. Oh yeah, you know, yeah. By Thursday afternoon, I got intel that changed my mind in a big way about whether or not they had hooked up. But I still I you guys heard the emergency pod, so I’m not gonna regurgitate what was said. It was just a lot. I’m like, okay, they probably hooked up, but, you know, I
Amanda: you like, we’re very careful. Essentially, you said it’s not, it’s starting to be harder to ignore. Yes, what? What is it likely that it’s like story if they didn’t hook up, because all the evidence is starting to point that they did.
B: Right? Yeah. And then somebody posted something about a neighbor getting a picture through Amanda’s window. Now that was not me, but I saw it floating around. So then just yesterday we get there was a totally, there’s a total other player in this named Shailene, and we’ll get to that, but included in the tea that we got about her and west, the person who sent it to me, who’s friends with the whole crew, said there was a picture through a window, and it was actually in his apartment, because the angle of it one of the other friends. So it’s like a game of telephone, but like, that’s how he caught and got caught, and had to speak to Shailene about it, kind of thing. And again, we’ll get to that later. So at this point, I’m thinking, all right, they hooked up. We knew so around the same time, we found out Sierra is not speaking to Amanda. They are fighting like this is a big deal. We realized that it was a huge promo, like my Amanda just mentioned, and Sierra was given information that West and Amanda Bella had hooked up, yes, so this was Friday afternoon. We’re like, Okay, this is legit.
Amanda: Friday afternoon was once we got, also separate confirmation for sure that Amanda and Sierra were not speaking.
B: Yes exactly.
Amanda: So I won’t forget the moment on Thursday would be and I are going back and forth, both in shock that things seemed true. No but then we got another trusted source who reached out and said they could easily shut this down, but they haven’t. I can tell you, people at the network are seeking receipts, as is present production. All hands on deck. Expect an insane reunion. Summer House usually films their reunion in mid April. So it’s coming up.
B: It’s about three and a half weeks a day, three and a half weeks away, give or take, a couple days the reunion. That’s as things stand now, right? I mean, they could push, they could push that, right? They may want, they they may want it hot and heavy. I’m pretty sure they did something like that with scandal, yeah. And then, of course, people start sending in some petty stuff. A lot of people pointed out that b I know that you think she’s a girl’s girl, and you think she’s like you and you’re Amanda, but we’ve never met single Amanda. We met Amanda when she was Kyle’s hook up, then became his girlfriend, then became the fiance and then wife. We’ve never known her single, so there’s no way for us to know how she is with her friends guys, right? And a lot of you guys pointed out the season that a girl named Jules was on, and she was particularly mean to her. So a lot of comments around we got we got some stuff in our DMS and emails talking about how she’s a bitch, and she was a bitch in college and all this and all that, like petty these kinds of things, petty opinions, right? And, you know, to be clear, and I always say this, there are people in my life who could say the same about me. I mean, people’s opinion is based on their experience with you, and I haven’t been nice to every single person I’ve ever met. So I’m not, like, that’s not Bible, it’s just opinions, but quite a few of then, then page’s brother, Gary.
Amanda: Yeah, you guys, like, we’re still, like, going through all this, because so much has happened. So Gary Paige’s brother
B: is, no, I love the DM that I got said, apparently, Paige has a brother. I’m like, You don’t listen to get
Amanda: your spot. Gary, fix the wife he has. He’s not on television. He’s never been on anything. Paige will talk about him because he’s our family member, right? But right. He’s a Normie, and he has a group chat with his friends, just like probably every one of you guys listening does, too in the group chat, we were told Paige’s brother confirmed that it was true to his friends, that was Friday.
B: So keep in mind, guys, Ciara spends Thanksgiving with Paige’s family. They’re together, hanging many times on social over the years, I remember seeing pictures of Sierra Paige. Paige’s brother, Gary, Craig. I myself go to Saratoga. It’s upstate. It’s like, probably a half an hour from where Paige lives upstate. It’s a very famous horse race track, super cool, like upper echelon area to it they go there. So Gary and Sierra are friends. Okay, it’s clear to me that Gary wouldn’t be happy with West and Amanda doing this to Sierra, because he’s friends with Sierra. So to me, this was a smoking gun, and it doesn’t make sense for somebody out of the blue to make up that page’s brother who, to Amanda’s point, not a reality star, does not speak out. You don’t see any page six quotes about Gary de Sorbo. Like never heard of the guy, so much so that the Intel said, apparently Paige has a brother. So everybody commented, oh, my god, Gary fixed the Wi Fi because for his name to be in it this. And I know it’s silly, but when we’re putting pieces of puzzles together, because I’ve now been doing this for six years, this stood out to me as credible, because if it was somebody like, Hmm, let me think of somebody super thirsty. Jen Aiden entering the chat, I’d be like, Oh, she just wants her name mentioned in an article. Yeah, exactly. So Gary fix, the Wi Fi is only telling somebody that if it’s true. Right to that point, Paige did comment because Hannah just did a brand deal and she said something about the internet surprising us these days. Apparently, Amanda and Hannah both did the same brain deal, but not together, but I guess they were released at the same time, and Paige was like, I guess we know whose side Hannah’s on, obviously kidding, because she doesn’t like Amanda and less so now, meaning Hannah. I don’t believe Paige will say much publicly right now, maybe once it’s confirmed and she’s asked about it, but she has a show coming out on Netflix. She is a huge brand. I don’t think she’s gonna publicly weigh in and get herself involved in the fray, because there will be people when this come out who side with Amanda. I think we’ll see that more so than Raquel, because West wasn’t quote. Unquote her boyfriend. And because Wes and Amanda, Amanda are both quote, unquote single, I think that there will be people, if I had to do the split, I’d say 7030 whereas I think Sandoval was probably like 8515 you know what I mean, Amanda will probably have 30% of people who have themselves been in similar situations. Because, let’s face it, when we side with people, we do it based on what we’re used to, what we would do in a situation, or compare it to situations we’ve been in, right? And I’m not passing judgment. That’s just the reality.
Amanda: Yeah, and again, like the worst thing you did, shouldn’t define you as a person, but I do agree that this is bad, bad, bad, but this is not scanned of all level in my mind, because they were both single. It’s just it’s really, really crappy girl code,
B: I want to add something before we continue. And it’s something that we will eventually know when Sierra does an interview, if she wants to do an interview and give this information, we may know we may not things that would change the situation. Something that would change the situation is before this became a huge rumor, or maybe even at the beginning, right when it first made its entrance into the public if Amanda had reached out to Sierra and had a very uncomfortable conversation and was like, Listen, I don’t even know if this is going to go anywhere, but this rumor that you’re seeing on dumois, we did make out like we’re not dating. It’s not this huge thing that they’re making it, 26:37 but we did essentially what Jesse did, exactly.
B: Well, it would be after the fact, but yes, we did make out. I don’t believe that Sierra would be okay with it. I think that Sierra would probably be upset and not speak to Amanda after that, just knowing her personality from the show. But I do feel that there would be a way that Amanda could handle this with care. Listen, the disrespect is the disrespect, and Sierra is going to proceed from that as she wants, but there is a difference to me. If they lied about it, said it wasn’t happening, Sierra believed them and then found out it was true. There’s a difference there. It’s different,
Amanda: yeah, I agree, yeah, I agree, yeah, yeah. If West and Amanda lied to Sierra, like they did, you know the entire world, and watch what happens live.
B: Yeah, and to and even though I never really that answer, didn’t sell me. He did lie, but it wasn’t believable, because he’s a bad liar, and I don’t know he’s got that complexion where he turns red.
Amanda: Well, I do agree with you, by the way. I There’s no way Paige is getting involved publicly. I doubt she will ever, ever comment on it, because I think Paige is not just trying to I think she has completely moved on. And yes, these people are her friends, and Sarah is her real life good friend. But I don’t see Paige getting involved publicly, privately, however, I would imagine Amanda’s probably like scared shitless, because I think Paige defending her friend against I think Paige is gonna,
B: is gonna remain. I think Paige 100% takes Sierra’s side? Yes, 100% I don’t. I think what this has shown us is Amanda isn’t exactly who we think she is. Because if you’re scared shitless, you don’t do it. That’s true. 28:30 That’s a really good point. These are all the
B: like, that’s a really other thing. Yeah, if you’re really scared, if you really care about your reputation, and and, yeah, you know. And again, I know 30% of you don’t agree with me, but I personally would side with Sierra if I were in the friend group. If I were Sierra, depending on how it was brought to me, I’d never speak to the person again if they were honest with me. I think that there could be a path forward in the future, because I’m not really someone who holds a grudge. And once I had time to process and moved on and was dating and whatever, I could potentially, like, film with the person, or even be at group events with the if it okay, I don’t film anything. So I could be, if she was in my girl group, we I would go to the girl dinners and whatever, and like, I could chat with her, but that person would be x from, like anything intimate, my inner circle, your dad, yeah, yeah.
Amanda: Okay, so I think we got through Thursday and Friday now moving to Saturday morning. Did we go? Because I haven’t I’m not sure. Did we? What day is it?
B: Where are we? What’s my name,
Amanda: so B wakes up to a DM is like a red alert. It says, I have huge tea West and Amanda. I can’t tell you full details yet without giving the person away, but they’re fully dating, like fully dating. And this was, I think, a kind. Incredible, a credible person, based on who they were, correct,
B: yes, yes. So yes. So the person sends this to me, and I wake up. So she sent it to me, so I see it. I woke up to pee. Sorry, guys. I don’t mean to be crude, but it was like 5am like I had no intention of staying awake. It was a Saturday morning, after all, and I see this, and I’m like, You got to be freaking kidding me. And she had sent it to me at like, 1030 right? Because I went to sleep early. So I was like, Oh man, why didn’t I stay up later? I could have had this whole scoop. So I write her back, but now I’m like, You know what? This isn’t she’s not going to send anything in yet. So I laid back down just to give you guys an idea of what happens when I get stuff and I set an alarm for like, 730 she still hadn’t written me back. So now, because this has happened before, guys where somebody will send me something really good, and then I never hear from them, or if I do, they’re just like, I’m sorry I was drunk. I can’t share or whatever. And I’m like, damn it. But sure enough, 8am she wrote back, and she was like, yes, Wes and Amanda are fully dating. The source is reliable one. This is what she said to me, once it’s public, I can tell you and send you the screenshot I got, but expect, expect a statement from either both or him soon. So that’s how we found out that West boy was working with his PR team. Because, you know, he’s a big deal now, and well, he
Amanda: needs to watch, please. He needs a PR team.
B: Yeah, he kind of please, like, we’ll get into my feelings on him, because, believe me, and again, it is whatever responsibility I’m placing on Amanda, I’m placing just as much on West. West is Kyle’s friend, and whatever anybody thinks about Kyle, Kyle was always good to west. Kyle was married to Amanda, and it is very fucked up for West to do that to Kyle, whatever our opinions are on Kyle’s marriage, Kyle and Amanda’s marriage, and Kyle’s treatment of Amanda up until recently, when they were all flirty, flirty this season, West didn’t have two words to say to Kyle about treating his wife better, so we’re just going to leave that right there. West betrayed his friend Kyle too. And you guys showed on the ropes of reality TV
Amanda: and everything else. You guys know, we are always very like it.
B: You know anti men Well,
Amanda: the women tend to always get the heat in these situations, and the men are just as culpable. I think part of why we keep talking about Amanda, we’ve known her longer, too, like we’ve known her longer we and we thought we knew her. And remember the thing I said to you after we’re like, oh, God, this is true. I’m like, I’m just so disappointed in them both, right?
B: So at this point, I was told that Wes and Amanda were both in California. This is again Saturday morning. I did see posts around the internet that they were spotted at a bar or a restaurant having dinner, Kissing in public. I haven’t seen a picture. Yeah, I would like to say I find it curious, as all of these rumors are heavily swirling that they could be in a busy bar in LA canoodling and nobody got a picture. Again, I believe I believed the Intel as far as them being together and them making a statement, but I am willing to bet that they were holed up in a hotel somewhere, or are holed up somewhere with their management or West management team trying to figure out what the hell to do and how to spin this so they don’t lose their careers. I just think it’s more likely than them kikiing In a bar, because we’d get a picture of that. I got 75 angles of Sierra crying on a corner today, but Amanda and West were making out in a bar in LA, LA and I have not won yet.
Amanda: There was a lot of, we’ll just put it this way. Well, there was a lot of bandwagony content that started to come out Friday and Saturday that was questionable. We’ll just say
B: that question, which always happens. And I just want to say this, if I find Intel to be accurate, or I’ve heard it too, I’ll share it from the person’s account. But when you guys are saying, Did you see this? Did you see it? Yeah, I saw it. I just, I’m not putting that on my stories, because it’s my opinion that it’s not and I’m not always right, but my account is what my opinion and what I judge things to be, and like that, that that LA canoodling in a bar. I didn’t real repost because I didn’t believe it, KJ and Carl being overheard at soft bar last night, confirming everything. It’s possible, but I got news for you. I had three cocktails there in real time, who didn’t, who were standing next to them, and didn’t say that, so it’s possible, but I didn’t repost that because Okay, so now I’m thinking, Wait, they’re in a relationship. But something about this seems crazy, so just to jump ahead a little bit, it is more forgivable for them to say and again, this is my thinking all before the statement. Listen, we didn’t mean to hurt anyone, but we. Fell in love and we were both single. It kind of is what they wanted to say. But they didn’t say they fell in love. They stopped short of that. They said a connection, yeah, because the reality is, it is careless and reckless to do that to both Sierra and Kyle, yes.
Amanda: So yeah. And I guess I do want to just jump in and say, because you were talking about Kyle, I do feel for him. I don’t think it’s fair, like I said, for most of the fan blow back to be pointed at Amanda, it absolutely should be pointed at West as well, and Kyle is valid to feel hurt by both of them, just as Sierra is, just because he was a jerk and just because Kyle and Amanda definitely shouldn’t be together. Amanda was his wife, and Wes was his friend, and that is straight up, not cool, right then, this was the other big thing. This is when things started getting, I think, even more interesting because we got from a reliable source that Wes and a brunette, so the name wasn’t we didn’t mention the name at the time. Well now we can say I leanand we have permission to use her name.
Amanda: So Charlene and West were arguing at 82 Stanton, a bar restaurant. Wes and this girl were deep in a really intense conversation for hours. So I think this would had happened before the weekend. It honestly looked like an argument. When he finally left, she actually went after him. It was pretty wild. He seemed really stressed by the whole thing. She’s been on the scene since pretty much season eight. People have suggested. People have said that they had been hooking up his dad and her brother, or his dad and his brother follow her.
B: So this is where our intel gets really interesting and kind of goes rogue. And I’m thinking to myself, Okay, so clearly he’s involved with this girl. She found out about Amanda, and they’re fighting. But it wasn’t until we got this on Saturday, and it wasn’t until Monday that I got additional intel on this girl who now we know his name is Shailene. Well, we did. The person did say that, but I chose not to put her name. But I received a DM from one of her friends, and the friend said that I had permission to use her name, so I am using it. They said I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop. I have a very close mutual Charlene is the girl that was seen fighting with West in public. She’s been seeing Wes for two years, one of many girls, yes, but definitely his main chick, if you will. She’s in the same social circle on the same kickball team. Is always spotted out with him. She’s in a bunch of Instagram Tiktok posts. Has been named in a ton of stuff on Reddit. She’s been out with his family as recently as February, and they all follow her, I can assure you, it was not casual. He’ll play it off because there’s no way to label, because there was no label, same as he did to Ciara. But I know Charlene is probably hurting hard over this, and like Ciara, she needed this push to officially call it. They were seen having an intense argument last weekend over the rumor. So this was the other thing that we just read and can confirm from our close mutual it was about Amanda. What’s worse is Amanda has hung out with her a number of times, and Shailene confirmed Amanda knew about Shailene and West’s situationship. But obviously Amanda owes Shailene nothing. She owed it to Sierra. All this to say, I know the Sierra army and the cast will have her back 1,000% I hope Shailene feels just as supported. It’s not just that he hooked up with his friend’s ex wife and his ex friends and his ex’s friend, but also hurt a real life relationship with a person deeply ingrained in his life outside the show, you have 110% permission to make this public. You can use charlene’s name, knowing the situation personally, West and Shailene were really invested in each other until very recently.
Amanda: Okay, so, and then we got a little bit more information. It said West did tell shyleen last week. So that is what we are witnessing. What the cocktail I was witnessing at 82 Stanton, but it was before the rumor of the pic through the window came out, and from what she shared, it was through his apartment window, not hers. He said it was a few drunken kisses make outs, no sex, or even sleeping together, no year and by the way, this is charlene’s friend telling us this no year long affair, like some people are reporting, that’s all speculation very well could be minimizing it. So they’re saying West could be minimizing it to soften the blow his relationship with Amanda, yes, to soften the blow to Charlene, although he’s been pretty open with her in the past about things that could come to light, he has no reason to lie if it’s going to come out one way or another. No. Now, if he and Amanda are going to the grave about never having sex, totally separate thing, but apparently, all the kisses have happened at post games with other friends around never a private moment. Charlene is also feeling upset because she had lots of mutuals that witnessed it and didn’t share they have or had a very, a very much Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, kind of thing going on. But they really weren’t seeing anyone else. Of course, some one off hookups. But I will give West credit where it’s due. He was with her pretty much every free moment he had during their time together. He didn’t end it with her. He just laid out all the cards on the table. They’ve been in this spot before where there’s been a discrepancy that the other has found out about and decided to move past it. This one is obviously much more public. He shared with her that he’s not dating Amanda. Doesn’t plan to. Was just acting on impulse. His team could be pushing him to do otherwise, he could very well be lying to Charlene to soften the blow if it ends up coming out that they’re dating. It’s his management team that’s pushing it. His manager and wife are good friends with Charlene, invited to their her to their baby’s birthday, get dinner together, etc, etc. They’re very aware of her, and would be pushing dating Amanda to be more digestible for audiences, versus oops, we did it, you know, like we just hooked up once, kind of thing, he’s gotten himself into a really sticky situation. Both of them have, and now we have seen it from the statement. This is the road they’ve taken that they’re, you know, they caught feelings, and as they say, their feelings have evolved.
B: I have to say this person’s take makes a lot more sense to me than the DM I got, that his management was clearly pushing that they’re in a relationship. Do I think I’m not gonna say that, because I like getting my tea, but I think maybe, well, let me talk to this first. I mean, he’s been spotted with girls over the past few weeks, which is one of the reasons why Amanda and I didn’t believe it to begin with, because he’s out with other girls. He was holding hands with a girl a couple weeks ago. I don’t see West wanting to settle down with anybody. I’m gonna tell you my take, not Sierra, not Amanda, not Shailene. But I do believe, well, I said this before we got the statement. I do believe, I believed he was gonna make a statement. I believe his manager is like, this is really fucked up. This is not good. I remember when scandal went down. Tom Sandoval was advised to date Raquel and make it like they were in love. And that is because people will forgive a love affair. Over time, they could say, Listen, Amanda was single. I was single. It’s not ideal. I know we hurt CR I know we help hurt Kyle. I hope in time everyone can forgive us. But you guys can see, can’t you? We’re clearly in love. To just hook up is careless. And for what if you’re just going to hook up and then go about your business, you know, like, but the way Wes posted to Shailene, it was more so, like, you’re going to find out about this, because Amanda is a really public person, but just so you know, this is like any other fan or random I would hook up with, and Amanda, and I have told you guys West hooks up. So like, I understand that he probably takes Shailene back to mom and dad and to his manager’s birthday party. Shailene is his plus one, but it’s almost like being in an open marriage. West does what he wants. So unless Shailene wants to get used to that, maybe she was used to it, but now that Amanda is so public, I don’t know.
Amanda: I mean, if it is true that it is quote, unquote, very new, like they say in the statement, and it was just hookups that happened after West last hooked up with Sierra. It’s bad. It’s very bad. But in my opinion, not scandal level, because scandoval was literally Tom having an affair with essentially his wife’s good I mean, she was his common law wife, his wife’s good friend under her nose in their house, in their house, while he was fully together with Ariana, Wes and Amanda were technically single. Like I said, bad, bad, very bad. But I don’t think it’s quite on the same level of betrayal. I would say like 90% as bad, though. And I think in this case, like I’ve said, I think this has much bigger implications on the show shows, and on the overall friend group in general. However, if Wes and Amanda were hooking up last summer while Amanda was married to Kyle, then I were at scandal level, if not even worse,
B: I just, I want to get to all the easter eggs we’re seeing in the current season that make that a possible. Ability, which we know they’ll deny, and I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to prove. I just want to say something, as we’re talking through this that I’m thinking of is Amanda never really even took Kyle’s cheating seriously, so everybody has a different barometer of what’s acceptable and unacceptable. So just to kind of, I don’t know if I would call it giving Amanda credit, but she got engaged to him the same weekend she found out he was making out with a girl in a bar. So I will just say that clearly cheating or hooking up isn’t that big of a deal to Amanda. Like it kind of seems that way. She never left Kyle, specifically for any of the times he cheated. Yeah, they left because their marriage disintegrated and the cheating over time factored in, but she still got engaged and married him right after he was making out with somebody, whereas, say, Sierra certainly would
Amanda: not have Yeah. I mean, again, I think about like her there. I think about Charlene, who you know, has just been okay with not defining the relationship, and being with Weston, him hooking up and all of these other things. And I’m like, God, girls, like, you’re worth so much more. All of you, I don’t even know you, Shailene, and I know you’re worth more,
B: yeah, especially if it sounds like she wanted more, because some women are fine with casual things. Samantha Jones is of the world, but it doesn’t sound like Charlene was. It sounds like she was hoping that the day would come where he settled down with her.
Amanda: So back to Easter eggs. I want to talk about what you posted today, because I was like, Holy crap. I never I didn’t think of that when they’re playing spin the bottle this season, and remember where it looked like West kind of mouths, like, Don’t you fucking dare, or something like that. I was something threatening to just to Jesse, so Jesse doesn’t kiss Amanda. Interesting in that same episode, Amanda spins the ballot, lands on Kyle. She and Kyle kiss. That’s when Wes, moves over to sit next to Sierra, and starts acting all like Lovey Dovey, awkwardly. Lovey Dovey, yeah,
B: there’s a lot of easter eggs, which I want to be clear, I have not received anything saying that people know that Wes and Amanda were hooking up anytime prior to the February ish thing that they’re admitting to. I haven’t. I haven’t received anything I know that NT had a blind that people are assuming is Amanda from back in June saying the seasonal star is cheating on her husband. So it’s certainly possible Kyle is on camera this season saying I’ve only seen her once in the last six months because I’m DJing and she doesn’t come. She spends more time with Wes than me when they’re playing spin the bottle. There’s that whole thing that Amanda just named. Amanda makes a very angry face as well when when he’s touching on Sierra. If you’ve been on Instagram or Tiktok, you’ve been following along, there are dozens. There’s at least a dozen easter eggs that have been pointed out and sent to me. I love you. Her laying on a counter and feeding him, very intimate, him grabbing her by the neck. And in the same episode, she was asking, I think, Ben, if he chokes people during sex. A lot of stuff that reminds us of scandal looking back at like when we were watching it, once we knew about Tom and raquel’s affair. So I don’t know if we’re projecting, if they always had a flirty vibe, which, well, we know they had a flirty vibe, but if they didn’t act on it until she was divorced, as they claim, I just got to say, I don’t think Wes wants to settle down, he’s going to really be in for the shock of his life when he realized he may be getting more Instagram followers because people are curious, but that doesn’t translate to people wanting we all see what happened with Sandoval. So he’s gonna really hate losing his public reputation. He makes a lot of money in brand deals. He really likes all this stuff. Oh, I also find that outside of that. He’s a guy who likes to conquer, and once he’s conquered, hedoesn’t stick around. I completely agree. I don’t get, I’ve never gotten the feeling like that. He’s, you know, I don’t know, a couple, like, a month or so ago, and we’re talking about him and Sierra, and if they’ll ever be and I’m like, Well, maybe in the future, but not anytime soon. He just does not seem ready. And how crazy is it? Shout out to our friend, the pop apologist. Sorry, the pop astrologist. We like the pop apologist too, the pop astrologist who said how crazy it is that Amanda is now dating West, who essentially has almost almost the same kind of chart. As Kyle isn’t that crazy.
B: Everyone said, I mean, he parties almost more than Kyle, and there’s a lot of talk of him skiing in Manhattan. I’ll leave it there well, so he’s not exactly a calm fellow.
Amanda: I too, doubt that this relationship has real legs. This totally reminds me of Tell me lies when Lucy hooks up with Evan, when they are both technically single, remember? So Lucy hooks up? Yes, her best friend breeze X, Evan hooks up with Lucy, who is his best friend Steven’s ex. Like, life imitates art, art imitates life. Then okay, so then we’re wondering, oh, so there, for a while, there was speculation about West’s friend Aiden. Aiden is the one that we got an email about, saying that she was allegedly hooking up with him. He’s got like doesn’t look like West, but he’s got a similar type of look like must
B: New York City, early
Amanda: 30s, hipster vibe, yeah. And there had been a post, a video posted, where they’re touching hands, all signs pointed to them hooking up. And then we got intel that said, confirming that Amanda never was with Aiden Blake. We thought she was, that people thought she was hooking up with that’s Wes friend, my blank has a work connection, and he’s actually annoyed that he’s being dragged into it. Basically, he was used the way that Schwartz was used in scandoval with Raquel and Tom as a distraction, to distract people away from thinking Amanda and Wes were hooking up. And it worked. It worked for me.
B: I worked for me. I mean, we even got an email about it guys so, like, their PR teams were working baby. So basically, Aiden was the Schwartz. Remember when Schwartz was allegedly interested in Raquel and Katie was pissed off because she said, You can hook up with anyone. Why someone from the friend group? Yeah. So that’s who Aiden was, and if it was something that just got started and wasn’t like, more planned by them, it was quite convenient. Sure was. And West even cited it on watch, what happens live? Like, oh, she’s had, oh, that’s the other thing he said, which is clearly a lie. Now, yeah, that rumor has been about other people. Like, yeah, she does. She’s kissing everybody is kind of like what he was saying. I so they never hooked up, as per Aiden’s co worker. So while shall remain nameless and genderless, so hate everybody in the office Aiden.
Amanda: So okay, while this is going on real time, also on Saturday morning.
B: Oh, Jesus Christ almighty, this almost fucking took me out. I swear to God, not that it’s so shocking, because it’s not, but I was just like, I don’t have time. I felt like that. What was that? Russian girl? I don’t
Amanda: have time for this. I don’t have time for you. Well, we get a DM saying that Kyle left his Charleston show. So he’s in Charleston DJing on Thursday night with Sal and Sally was there, and they were all over each other. Apparently, Sally had been being bitchy to Kyle’s friend until she realized that he was friends with Kyle, and then she started to become, according to this person, wicked nice. I’m guessing this person is from Boston. Love you. Thank you for sending us the tea. They went back, and then it says they went back to another friend’s house after the show, and then Sally and Kyle went home together. Remember, mind you, cocktailers that after was it like, shortly after the Super Bowl that Sally and Kyle had been seen,
B: that was in Manhattan, they were both there for separate Bravo things, and they definitely hooked up that night. They definitely hooked up this night. They’re both single. It’s just tea. People are saying, What about Austin? Well, the next night, Austin was in Chicago, and he banged some girl there because her friend DM me to say, Hey, my friend slept with Austin last night. And everyone’s like, why didn’t you ask? How was it? I don’t know. I apologize next time. I’ll ask. I would
Amanda: never but I guess you guys are right. You got to keep us like, ladies straight, Tracy, excuse
B: me, our girl, Tracy would ask how, of course, she would Amanda and I, are the prudes of the budget? Yes. Okay, where are we? So we’re back to the Easter eggs. I mean, we are focusing on all the easter Okay.
Amanda: All right. So my thought, if this really does go back to last summer, put on your suits of armor, Amanda and West, because this is going to be a long, long rocky road for you, for you both. I mean, it’s going to be rocky no matter what. But if it’s this really goes back to last summer, fans will be out with pitch four. And torches, then Sunday night. So now we’re finally, I just want to say one thing,
B: they live in a house together, so this is even more magnified than scandal, yeah, because those people go home to separate residents, right? Every member of that house is now going to go back and think of things they, sir, heard or saw. And I just want to say I think there’s a good chance that Jesse knows about this. And my man, Jesse will crack under mother fucking pressure. He gets in a room with Lindsay Hubbard. Lindsay Hubbard interrogating him, and Kyle cook. He is fucking cooked. He is cooked. He is cooked. So Amanda and West, I’m letting you know now, if Jesse knows he, don’t want to let them know he knows, because they’re going to be mad at him too. Yeah, you guys, he ain’t gonna lie to Lindsay and Kyle and Sierra and you know what? I’m sure that puts Jesse in a really bad spot. Because honestly, this whole situation makes me look at Jesse like a frickin Boy Scout asking permission to kiss Kyle, unless that was a Schwartz like, diversion, and he knew about it was helping, which I don’t believe that. I don’t believe he would do that.
Amanda: I don’t think so either. But yeah, like, seriously, man. And Wes like, let’s just like, actuallyyou better an April Fool’s joke. People are still asking if, like, it’s first of all, not fucking April Fool’s today. It’s March 31
Amanda: I don’t know all I’m saying. Lindsay Hubbard, you better get to Jesse first. We know you can get the real story out of get to Jesse. But Lindsay, on Sunday night, I think this is the point, the turning point, when everybody is really, really started to believe it, like you and I were like, Thursday, oh crap, Sunday, I think was really when the majority of everybody started to believe, because Lindsay posted a picture hanging out with Sierra, and Then she posted a picture that was showing her shocked, right? It was like a meme of her being shocked, and then Carl posts one of him being shocked, and then KJ posts one of him being shocked, and then Bailey posts and then deletes one of her being shocked. But of course, it got screenshotted, and that’s maybe where people started thinking like, maybe this is an April Fool’s joke. And I think, honestly, people were thinking that because it was starting to get hard to ignore all the evidence, and they didn’t want it to be true. None of us have wanted this to be true, but guys, if you really thought about it, who’s gonna nobody’s gonna mess with their brand deals cancel joint appearances for an elaborate April Fool’s joke. Like, who would the joke be on Kyle? Well, that would be about the meanest thing ever, like the fans. I mean, I would never do that to the fans, because, like, they will turn on them. But, you know, people didn’t want to believe it
B: was true. Well, it’s true. It’s true today. So I can tell you we have, like, newer Intel than we’ve even had an hour ago when Amanda went in quickly to update the note, right? So I am going to read cameras are picking up guys, this is what you want to know, and it is going to be Sierra Kyle and Lindsay. They’re set to film a scene in a few days. So let’s see what comes of that. I I think that right now, Lindsay is pissed because this fucks up her spin off. Yeah, this makes her spin off. Listen, if, if Lindsay can prove that Amanda was cheating with West, it makes her spin off more relevant, because Amanda’s on it, and even though West isn’t on it, or at least not on it full time, people will still tune in to see if they could pick up on whatever the reality is, we’re watching something knowing now this, it’s just, I’ll still watch, oh,
Amanda: and I, I think, I don’t think the stuff that’s in the can, I think that stuff is all safe. I really think it’s the future, what happens this summer and within the city past this, because that’s what really starts to get called into. So do you want to read the
B: email we got in regards to that?
Amanda: Yes. So this one is subject summer a so fun now Amanda and West new relationship has completely thrown both Summer House and in the city into chaos. Producers originally planned for Sierra West Jesse and the newcomers KJ Ben Mia, Dara, Levi and Bailey to anchor the next era of summer house, while Kyle Amanda and Lindsay would transition to in. The city, Kyle and Amanda separation wasn’t expected to be a major issue, because they could have simply split them across the two shows, but now the entire strategy has fallen apart due to Amanda and West hooking up. Producers are frustrated, and so is the cast. Everything is up in the air.
B: I understand where the network’s coming from. You know what I mean? And I I’m trying to think through what I what I want to do here. I don’t think they’re going to fire West and Amanda, even though that would be the easiest route, or not even I don’t mean fire them like pause their asses, let them sit this season. I don’t know producers plan for Sierra was to anchor, huh? I mean, I guess you could swap out Sierra like, throw Amanda in summer house. It would be interesting if they do fizzle and Amanda needs the check and and goes back to summer house and watch, has to watch West fuck around the way Sierra did. That would Wow. Interesting. That’s a good point. And I just want to say, just from a logical point of view, if I’m Amanda and I’m going through a divorce where I am the angel queen, and everybody is rallying around me. I have such supportive friends, including Sierra. I have a fan base who adores me. I’m getting these deals coming out of my ears, monies I couldn’t dream of. I go and fucking fuck it up to kiss West and make Kyle look good in this divorce. Whatever Kyle is, guys, Amanda was married for him for 10 years and just handed him a Get Out of Jail for free pass. What the fuck even from that standpoint, I would be like, stay away from me. I’m having my Ariana moment. You are a fuck boy. What was she thinking? It is so self destructive. And I know that she struggles with mental health. And clearly, I mean, I know
Amanda: people this is self destruct, complain about the dating situation in Manhattan, but are there truly so few men?
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B: doing fine, isn’t she?
Amanda: I look at these, these folks, and I’m like, I know like that, where that where they stand. There’s so very few people who understand what it’s really like to be them, except for each other, however, like, what talk about Amanda, just like opening the trash door and like throwing everything in there, because she’s got she’s gonna have to really work hard for brand deals. When they were being handed, not handed to her, that’s mean, but like they were being given to her freely before. It’s not going to be like that, because what about her swimwear? Well, and look at what happened, you know, like, people get canceled, and this is the kind of thing. I’m not saying she’s gonna but I’m like, this is the kind of thing that gets people canceled. So how they handle it is really gonna matter 100%
B: and listen, I don’t pray for anybody’s downfall. Never have, never will, but I certainly think that I want to say the word selfish. I mean self destructive, selfish, careless, thoughtless, 1:03:47 self destructive.
B: Did Amanda kill anybody? No? Is West single Yes? Is Amanda single? Yes, but life is about like you’re responsible for your actions. And I think that something that I think is important, I know as a mother, for me to treat my for me to teach my children how you treat people matters. And I’ve seen a lot of Amanda being treated poorly by Kyle over the years and and I think we have to also, you see the self destructive decision she just made. They didn’t come out and say they were madly in love. Okay? They came out and said they had a quote, unquote connection. You know, I had a connection with every guy I made out with in my 20s, too. So I just feel like you have to be responsible for your actions. And I think that Amanda is very comfortable because her husband was clearly verbally abusive to her, okay? I think that it becomes a very complicated thing. I am not a psychiatrist. It becomes a very complicated thing because as a lay person, I look at it at like, be responsible. You can’t always be the victim. We play a role in our life. You know what? Saying like, people say things like, oh, B, you’re so lucky. Your husband’s so supportive. That’s not necessarily luck. I had an expectation and a standard, which I understand not everybody has, because some people do struggle with self esteem and those things. So I understand those issues way into it, but I made decisions in my life that created the life I have. So could my husband have ended up after a few years being an asshole and cheating on me? Yes, and then I would have divorced him. Do you know what I mean? So luck is in large part your decision making and making decisions is hard, and sometimes you have to say no to things, and sometimes you have to walk away from things. But all of those choices shape the life you have, and it’s just not okay for people to because I get the DMS now that are like, be careful what you post Amanda’s mental health. Okay? Well, Amanda’s on a reality show, and Amanda is fucking her best friend’s ex, so people are gonna talk about it. So if that, if her mental health suffers because of that, I feel terrible for her. I don’t think she’s an awful, terrible person, but she has to be accountable for her choices, and she made a bad choice, right?
Amanda: Yeah, I agree with you. You don’t just end up where you are by luck, right? It’s a series of decisions, and you are responsible for your actions, and you know, and nobody’s
B: perfect, and we’ve all made bad choice, right? So all I could say is I hope that whatever she gets out of this, she learns to do better for herself. Yeah, I agree, because I’m telling you, this isn’t going to work. They are not going to get married. He does not love her. He likes to conquer right and move on.
Amanda: That’s who he is. Well, what I’m really curious about now, I’m assuming Bravo had to approve a statement, because as of this morning, we got confirmation from reliable sources that now the entire exclusive has been yes exclusive. Now the entire cast has been put on a gag order and has been tol
