202. EMERGENCY Amanda and West podcast added; RHONJ; Jessie on Call Her Daddy

Guys! Things have been wild this week! We recorded this podcast on Wednesday, a day earlier than usual. And then all h*ll broke loose on Thursday about Amanda and West, so B recorded an emergency podcast on Thursday evening for our Cocktail Party members. Because this is such big tea, we decided to go ahead and add the emergency podcast to the end of this episode so all of you can get the most up-to-date tea. So, you’ll hear Amanda do an intro, then the regular podcast, and then we added the emergency podcast with the most updated info to the end. So, keep in mind when you listen to the pod that there is more updated content at the end.

Thanks to all the Cocktailers who joined our Zoom this week – so much fun! RHONJ is officially officially back. Our thoughts on Marge not coming back and what we think the vibe for the show will be… The latest on the Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota Mortenson situation. And Alex Cooper had Jessie Draper on Call Her Daddy – so many bombshells in the interview. But Cocktailers already knew about the alleged prostitutes. B is putting these Dadtok man on a boat…listen to the pod to hear where, lol. Digging deeper into this week’s Summer House episode, we have thoughts on Kyle Cook’s tantrum and what’s really going on. Are Ciara and Amanda fighting in real time? Our thoughts on Dara, so far.

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Speaker 1: What’s up cocktailers, what’s up Amanda, hi, cocktailers, happy.

Amanda: I feel like we have so much to talk about. First of all, we had such a fun zoom call last night. If you guys, those of you who are subscribers, try to make it just to at least one, because I think then you’ll want to try to make it to all of them. It’s just,

B: it’s so fun. Do you know what I thought of after our zoom call last night? What I’m gonna age us a little bit? Remember, like, middle school when, and I don’t mean like, the mean three way calls, where you would trick your friend, yeah, where you and two friends would be on the call, and you’re all shouting over each other, and then get into it, and somebody brings up another point you hadn’t thought of, and it turns into this spiral. Oh, yeah, that’s like, what our zoom calls are, but like, much more than three people.

Amanda: I always say to me, and it’s no shock that you and I are both sitting where we are, knowing this, but to me, when I was in middle school, high school, getting grounded from the phone was the worst, like, the worst punishment, worse than getting grounded?

B: Grounded? Yes, I don’t even know that was grounded, yeah, because my activities like whatever, like dance or whatever, my mom still sent me to because she was paying for it, so she was grounding me from the after school activities and but

Amanda: yeah, yeah, and that, there’s no shock to any of us on that, yeah, but it did, and I know some people get a little frustrated because everybody’s trying everybody’s trying to talk, and I don’t think it gets like too out of hand, but Right? It’s a little bit chaotic, but in the best way. And we do try to keep

B: it on track so that we’re able to cover multiple things, because we really we reserve an hour, not that we couldn’t sit there all night, yeah, but we don’t want to make it this thing where people feel it’s so long and overwhelmed and they’re gonna miss half of it anyway. So we try to keep it to an hour, because we know everyone has lives, and it’s not so easy to carve out quiet time away from all your life responsibilities for longer than that.

Amanda: And that’s the best part, I think, because as we’re on these calls, we have people who are waiting in the parking lot for their grocery delivery. They’re driving between sports pickups.

B: We had someone this week who DM me, who wakes up, she lives in Australia, so it coincides with six, 7am and her baby usually is up by that point. So she’s like, doing her morning routine on the Zoom, which I’m like, That is so weird, because for me and you, it’s like, early evening. We’re like, done with the day relaxing, and I’m like, Oh, I can’t even picture like starting the day to the zoom, but that’s fun too.

Amanda: I know I totally agree. And like our just our community, it’s, I’m just gonna brag and just say I think our community is the best. Agree. Okay, so let’s start just with all the jersey stuff. Because we had confirmation from you. We actually got confirmation from Bravo, so you posted a reel. I giggled. I knew, because sometimes you and I talk about what we’re hearing and do we post this yet? Do we not? Because sometimes, believe it or not, you guys, we actually do hold back. Sometimes we try. So we try. So you knew that the announcement was coming at some point this week. Of course, confirming what cocktails have known for a very long time, that Theresa, Melissa Delores will be coming back with some newbies. Bravo, finally made that announcement on Tuesday. Of course, fans are

B: going wild. So I did hear something this weekend, and I was home, I was having wine, I posted a reel. I woke up the next and I just I made some song. I forgot what it was, and something like, we’re back, or, I don’t know what it was. I woke up on Sunday, and everyone was going off on this post, and like a dope, I posted a picture with the entire old cast, which doesn’t really make sense. So I should have just posted the three, but I’m gonna blame the Prosecco. I took it down. I was like, You know what? I know that it’s coming any day now, so this will make sense. And so I got a lot of DMS. That was the random reel that you posted. Yes, it was. Listen, I think we’re all thrilled that we’re finally getting somewhere. It’s been two years. I want to discuss Marge so we knew when I saw Marge post officially that she’s not coming back. I was like, Okay, here we go. My Intel was right. We’re gonna get some confirmation this week. I love Marge. I think that Marge played an intrical role. I think she’s been very clear that she will not film with Theresa. She will not be associated in any capacity with Louis. She was not willing to move forward. There was a point. And guys, this is like, over the course of it’s been off for two years, but they’ve been, like, actively figuring it out for over a year. And there was a point where Theresa was not being included. Marge was certainly on the docket with Melissa and Dolores, and they were looking for newbies. We know that test filming twice went terribly. Production wasn’t happy. The network wasn’t happy. So when Theresa decided to make up with Melissa, the network let some time pass, and I think it just made sense for them to go with Teresa. So was it completely marge’s choice? No, we get it. They clearly Marge would have come back without Teresa. Yeah. Yeah, that’s what it is. I do think that Marge potentially could have come back in some capacity with Theresa. I just don’t think it would have made sense. Yeah, what are your thoughts on Marge?

Amanda: Not retirement. I’m sad. I wish there was a world in which we didn’t have to choose. Marge made me laugh. I think more than almost any other housewives. She is definitely one of those housewives that I both love to watch and appreciate her on screen, but also would want to hang out with. I always see her and think I wish she was just my neighbor. Yes, I just wish we didn’t have to choose. But you guys, I don’t I am of sound mind and body when I say this that I am actually looking forward to seeing Theresa again. And you guys heard me say that on the Zoom last night. I’ve never been a big Theresa fan. I was really, honestly, whatever with her. She just was. I didn’t dislike her, but I didn’t. I really didn’t like the way, like the her and Melissa. Stuff started to happen. But I think, I really do, think a lot of it has been Louie. And because I am like, I’m like, I am actually really looking forward to seeing her again. And I never thought I would really utter those words, but here we are. So Marge also said in her post, in her video, we will be seeing her with other stuff, and we know that she’s She even said it in that video she’s filming for another show. I don’t think we’ll stop seeing her. And who knows? There could be a world in which maybe things change and she can come back later. I would never count her out, because I just think she’s so good on TV. I don’t think this is the end, and I don’t think this is a sunset to her career, by any means, but we did get an email that we posted in cocktail so couple weeks before, she officially confirmed that she’s not returning. It said housewife, which refusing to film with OG, a New Jersey housewife was approached to appear as a recurring cast member on housewives spin off show on E alongside several roadie cast members due to her friendships with them and being in a similar age bracket, she declined the offer because she was still being considered for the mini reboot of her original show. However, she currently refuses to film with the OG of New Jersey by multiple attempts by the network to facilitate a reconciliation, she has not been willing to move forward. As a result, her role in the reboot remains uncertain, and the network is moving ahead with the OG before we talk about that, I also wanted to say something else. I also respect the hell out of her for saying, you really mess with my family and things got really scary, and not just going back on her word so that she could have more fame, more time, more time, whatever. Because I do feel like if she caved, I think there could have been a place for her, but I respect the hell out of the fact that she was like, No, this was a hard line for me. Anyway. That was great.

B: So we know she’s currently filming the show. I believe they’re filming in Dominican Republic. It’s a girl’s trip kind of show, but it’s on, oh, I forget. Is it Amazon? Is it Netflix? Maybe Amazon, Brittany, Cartwright, Savannah, Chrisley, Tamar, Braxton, Kenya Moore, so that should be fun. That should be light, I have to say. And of course, we also know that the E G Roney is filming right now. She clearly couldn’t do both, but my guess is that she said no to the Roney OG one before they said to her, all right, Theresa’s coming, so if you’re out, and then she went on this other girls trip. I have often said, for me, I always felt that Marge would fit in better with the New York ladies. I think she has a similar humor. I think she is more cunning than the jersey women. I think the age piece of it obviously. I think that Marge will have a future in reality TV, because she’s a great reality personality. So she’s doing this girls trip. And if the E show with the OGS is successful, I can absolutely see Marge joining next season. Jill’s gone, and they are all friends. Those women do get together, they do events together, they hang out, they get lunch in the city. It would not be weird for Marge to be on a show with Luanne and Sonia and all these women that she has long standing friendships with, right? But regarding jersey and what it’s gonna look like, we know that Kim D was on watch. What Happens Live? Do I think there’s a world in which she’s on an episode, or they do a fashion show and we see Kim D, sure do. I think it’ll ever be anything more than that for Kim D, no, yeah, yeah. I don’t even think it would be a friend of situation. Yeah, I could see, and I want to see, and I want to hear your opinion Kathy with Killy. I think it depends where they’re bringing the focus, because my mind says it’s three newbies, but they’re gonna have to address Melissa and Theresa getting along in some capacity. So they could address that and, like, wrap it up, or they could bring Kathy in and do a whole Kumbaya. I dare say, the highest rated seasons of Jersey were those family Kathy and Rosie and all that. Yeah, what they. They definitely have to do is they have to take a trip to the Bahamas, the Gorgas, the Judy Chase, the new girls. Can go Dolores. They have to see juicy Joe. Maybe Frank could even hop on for that trip, because these are all long term friends. Give us the nostalgia. Speaking of Frank, I don’t know. Do we see him? We’re hearing that filming starts mid April through July. Frankie Jr is getting married in Portugal in August. So I think we’ll see footage at the end of the season, certainly, some pictures, a little home video. I don’t think we’re gonna see a ton of Frank senior. She is engaged to Paulie. Now, a lot of people are saying, Oh, what about Brittany? Frank’s wife? I don’t think she’s really interested. I’ve always heard she’s sweet, but she’s not really interested in the dramatics that would be required on a reality show, right? And that makes sense just from what we’ve seen of her, yeah, I think the kids are going to be featured. I see Melissa and Joe’s kids, certainly Theresa’s kids. Theresa’s going to be have this new restaurant with her friend that she’s opening it with, who, come to think of it, is probably on the cast, right? If she’s a partner in it, and, if not full time, certainly a friend of since she’s the co owner of the restaurant that GIA and Teresa are opening. So Teresa will have enough of a storyline with her new restaurant and her girls and her relationship with her brother without Louis needing to be seen in like a large capacity, I see them standing in the kitchen cooking and then him not going out that night. Let’s hope everyone’s

Amanda: learned their lesson, and by everyone, I mean Louis Theresa, Bravo all of it. We don’t need him. I’m not saying we can’t see him. I’m just saying I don’t think we need him. I think he really wanted to be another housewife. As fans, we never do all of that, just like the whole dad talk thing, we don’t like it. We like the women, and that’s this.

B: And hopefully he picked up on that like you tried it didn’t work out. So you would imagine that he would want to lay in the cut at this point. She makes a lot of money to be on the show. Just let her do that, and you lay back.

Amanda: And I have a strong feeling that Theresa, Melissa Dolores will either make a pact off camera, or even just tell you know that this is something they’re discussing with production, that they let the new cast carry most of the drama, so that they preserve their friendships and their peace. This is not information that we’ve never sincerely been given. I just have feeling that’s going to be the vibe and the approach. And I honestly think that’s a good move, because I think everybody knows that it felt a little scary there for a while that we are going to lose this show. And I think we’ve also seen the longer standing cast members being the one to always create the drama, doesn’t it hits different these days. It did not pay off well for Tamara on OC last season, right? I don’t know, and I’m glad to know that they’re going to be filming soon. I’m hoping that means we get Jersey this year, but I bet we probably won’t get it until after Christmas,

B: and also without large and with the number being three, it’s three. When you have little kids playing in threes, it’s not always great, but in this situation, three actually makes sense, because you have Switzerland in the middle. He is not going to try to Dolores is not going to try to create a divide. If anything, she’ll do the opposite. Yeah. Oh, I know, yeah. And Melissa and Theresa are really making a effort, and I think they’ll want to keep their relationship light, and if anything, lean into whatever these new girls are gonna bring. And there’s a certain sense of which I totally feel like I would have, you know what I did this for 15 years of my life. Them expose their shit.

Amanda: Yeah, exactly. And I think that’s probably the safest place for everybody to play in. Because I think the other thing that I think we touched on a little bit before. Yes, this is a TV show, but there’s real families, real kids, involved in all of this, and it was really hard on their families to have this issue for so long. And I think everyone’s glad that they’re back to a place of peace, agreed, okay, picking back up on all the explosive news of the last week. I know we talked about this at length, but we have more. Why don’t you do a quick summary of the Taylor, Frankie Paul and Dakota. Mortenson, whole sitch.

B: So where we’re at now. I’m just gonna give the bullet points we have. Dakota filed an allegation that Taylor again assaulted him in February of this year, 2026 that wasn’t enough for ABC to cancel the bachelorette they were still going forward. He then released a video from the first assault, which she pleaded guilty to and is on parole from. But nobody had seen the video because it was on his phone and nobody had access to it, except maybe the cops, but that would have been sealed. So this video drops to TMZ. The video had a watermark, which means TMZ owns it, which means TMZ purchased it from who either Dakota or somebody Dakota gave it to. Right? Some people speculate Jordan. Some people think that’s why Chase’s Sisters is the one who said Jordan’s gonna get arrested. There’s all these different things floating around. Okay, so where we’re at we know the bachelorette was canceled. We know that Taylor, Frankie Paul is now being investigated for the most recent assault. Was it a parole violation? She has lost custody of her children for the time being. I believe she can’t see them until April 7.

Amanda: I think it’s just the sun. Was just Dakota, not her other two kids.

B: So last night, on our zoom our resident attorney, shout out to Elle. She loves to come to zooms, and she helps us so much understand things. I know

Amanda: she’s She has such a great way of breaking things

B: down in layman’s terms, but

Amanda: also bringing her years and years of experience. Yeah. So one of the things, like, without using these exact words, like, there’s patterns to these kinds of things, and you end up seeing a lot of the same

B: things, outcomes, yeah. So she had a lot of really good points, one of them being, we hadn’t seen the footage from the domestic issue in 2023 but we all knew about it. We knew that Taylor had pled guilty, we knew that she was on parole. Seeing things does change it. You hear something happened, and everybody makes their own version in their head. I don’t think and they rationalize it. I don’t think anyone pictured her throwing a chair in the direction of her daughter crying, potentially being injured. But again, the network decided to go ahead with her as the Bachelorette, because it was a failing series, and she brings millions of viewers. I was gonna watch for the first time basically ever, yeah, but the video obviously changed things. We understand it legally, but Elle’s point was she already paid the price once she served her parole. Now, the other argument that people will make is, and that actually l made is, it would make sense if they were like, listen, let’s pause to investigate these most recent allegations, because they’re just allegations. Dakota could have completely made them up to mess up her show. And so what if they investigated and it wasn’t true. Basically, the network wasn’t canceling it, and so he dropped the video. And it just seems like we all know what secret lives of Mormon wives is about, right? They got on this show because they were swinging and lying and cheating and doing nefarious things, yeah, and

Amanda: it literally started with the whole domestic violence situation. Obviously not the video, but we knew from day one, from the drop, and

B: I guess what happened, right? And I guess the point is, okay, we messed up making her the Bachelorette. But what does that have to do with secret lives? I know they’re on a pause, and we’ll get into all that, but they’re gonna have to bring cameras up, because this is what everybody signed up for, viewers and cast, yeah, yeah.

Amanda: And I think they will, and we’ll talk a little bit more about that, because today, Alex Cooper of call her daddy, interview Jesse, who is now going by Jesse Draper, not takura, which is what you guys remember her annoying husband, Jordan, who I call temu right in Gosling, he looks

B: nothing like, not even The temu version.

Amanda: I don’t know I see I see some take Ryan Gosling, you push his eyes together, really close. Look again. Yikes. Pull his hairline up. I’m being so mean, so mean. I would never say this about a woman and I recognize I’m being

B: a jerk right now. I had so many DMS I reposted a couple of them that were like, Yeah, loved her interview, but we cocktails already knew this, because you had all blind about him with prostitutes cheating, the Marciano thing happened after Jordan had cheated many times. We knew all this.

Amanda: We did. I think there were a lot of actually, there are a lot of details in a lot of context that I thought was really helpful. So yes, they started the conversation with everything that’s been going on with Taylor, like I said, it gave more context to what’s been going on for the last couple weeks. So first of all, Jessie said Dakota and Jordan are best friends, and that Dakota was at her house all the time, and that with her being best friends with Taylor, it caused some real friction. And she said there have actually been two pauses in filming. So we knew of the one. The first was done by production to give everybody some mental health time. The second one was requested by the women, but we knew why. But what Jesse said made so much sense. She was like, it wasn’t that we are trying to they weren’t trying to distance themselves from Taylor. It was that all the women have been hearing things that weren’t public yet at the time, including about the other charges with Taylor, and that everybody was really worried about being on camera and talking about something that wasn’t out yet, inadvertently putting something out there against their friend. Jesse also said that when Taylor got away to film the Bachelorette. Jesse got to see her twice during filming, and that there was a light back in Taylor’s eyes again, and that Taylor had done so much work to improve herself completely stopped drinking alcohol, got all that therapy after the arrest, and Jesse also said she felt certain that Dakota was. The one to leak the video to TMZ, and that

B: he got paid for it. We have Intel saying that he leaked it. He also hired a PR firm one week prior to him making the allegations and then subsequently putting out the video, his PR firm was reportedly very surprised by all the backlash. They thought he would get more sympathy. But I think, and while note, listen, the video was horrific. We discussed it last week. We knew that the show would be canceled. Last week during recording, bachelorette was canceled. But the thing about it is, are we surprised? I don’t know. She’s a mess. Everybody knows this. I just you can’t put a clown in a circus and then wonder why it’s acting like a clown. So I guess that’s my whole thing. Is, collectively to ABC or whomever, what were you expecting her to do as the Bachelorette? We had the post in cocktail party before she went to the Bachelorette, that she hooked up with him right before she went to the Bachelorette. They weren’t they did not cut ties. She did the show as a job, as so many of I’m sure The contestants did it as a job, as a way to get famous, become an influencer, whatever, promote their business, whatever reason, very few of these people in this day and age are looking for love on these shows. Let’s face it,

Amanda: yeah, oh yeah, definitely. Just like we’ve talked about the thing about love is blind. That was so good about it is people really were looking for love, and now it seems like some people are on there looking for clout. And I guess I’ll just say again, you know, you and I both agree about and what we said last week, which is that we hope they both get help, and that they turn their focus away from each other and turn it towards their children. And yes, I really hope that Taylor can just take a bit of a break from everything. I know she’s come on sale because she’s been still on social media, and she’s, what am I supposed to do? Stare at a wall. It might be helpful for her to really just take a full on break. And I hope the money she got paid for bachelorette gives her some time to rest, work on herself, just be there with her children. But so we also knew last week that Jordan of Jesse and Jordan filed for divorce last week. So according to the call her daddy interview from today, which, by the way, we’re recording on a Wednesday, it’s not our usual schedule stuff. It is what it is, Jessie asked for the divorce on March 13, but she did not file because she said there’s a lot of decisions that have to be made when filling out the paperwork. So I guess every state is different. But apparently in Utah, when you file, you have to put in the filing that you propose, who gets what in terms of furniture and fight like finances custody, which is a very significant burden of paperwork before you file, especially

B: because they had a very hostile relationship, and she you’re like in crisis, having to figure out who’s getting the couch. And it

Amanda: doesn’t have to be figured out, but the person who’s filing it needs to propose, that’s what they think. And so Jesse’s I didn’t file yet because I still wanted to think these things through. And they both agreed that they wouldn’t file until they had a chance to tell the kids together.

B: Seems like the right thing to do.

Amanda: No kidding, of course, and but that did not stop team move. Ryan Gosling, because he heard, he got wind that she was coming on the podcast, ran to the courthouse, filed for divorce. Jesse said, I don’t She’s, I don’t even know what he put for any of that stuff. She’s, I’m really curious, actually, to see he also tried to file a restraining order so that she couldn’t speak about him. Restraining Order didn’t happen. I will just say, though, just strictly my own opinion, because I actually really like Jessie. She’s very smart. I also think that knowing that she wanted to go on call her daddy, because she had that booked for a couple of weeks. She probably didn’t want to file before she did that, because when you do file, you also sign paperwork promising not to harass or verbally physically harm the other party. So she might have actually known that and purposely not filed yet so that she could go out and talk. But again, it doesn’t change the fact that he went out and did it, and has it’s become this huge public thing. They still haven’t told their kids. Jesse and Timu have a six year old and a three year old, so hopefully they’ve been shielded from this news. But Timu had a child from another marriage who was 13, and Jesse is worried about that kid, because kids, yeah, you hear,

B: you get the alerts on your phone. These are the Tick Tock king and queen.

Amanda: If their kid doesn’t have a phone, like telling him, well, yeah, like just he’s a gross man, like he and Dakota deserve each other, in my opinion, 100%

B: and you are the company you keep, is what I was raised by my parents. So that makes sense. Back in June, when the whole Marciano cheating scandal came out, we had a very good source tell us that Jordan also cheats and has throughout their relationship. And not only does he cheat, but he cheats with prostitutes and escorts. So somebody sent me a source, a. Secret Lives of Mormon wife. Source sent me in my DM. They said we got Intel this week. Saw your post from June about Jesse’s husband also cheating on her. I haven’t said anything, because his group of guy friends and co workers in parentheses, losers and scammers are known to be shady. They cheat with DNA, with NDAs, like they’re a rod or something. In other words, they make girls sign them. Jesse is gonna level up and lose that guy. And the person said, we’re talking prostitutes, allegedly, let’s see what she shares on the podcast. But she could blow this up, and she seems like she shared it all.

Amanda: Yeah, she did. I mean, she did. She said. The crazy thing is, she said she knew about the escorts, sex parties slash orgies, that she was given proof of this after filming Season One, but before either before she went to the villa right, and that she confronted him and he denied

B: it, she feels that finding about the cheating may have influenced her to kiss Marciano. Yeah, no shit. That’s human nature. This week, Sheena spoke on her pod, and she was saying, and I remember, I remember this from when we because she was hanging out with Sheena all over LA and Sheena was like, I thought Jesse and Jordan just had an open marriage and arrangement, and so did Marciano, because

Amanda: one of those kisses was a very public makeup that we got the tea on, that she was with Sheena, and that it was out

B: in public. So now we know that. Okay, maybe it wasn’t officially open, but she was getting back at him, and didn’t care if he saw it, because she knew what he was up

Amanda: to, and she was very says again and again, I shouldn’t have done it. It was wrong of me. I we did not have an open relationship. I messed up so she wasn’t coming out see he did it first, and that’s why it was okay. That is, was not her demeanor whatsoever.

B: So I really wait. I just want to say one thing, Oh, what the whole dad talk is toxic and disgusting, and like I said, on the Zoom. And I want everybody to hear this, those of you that weren’t on the Zoom, what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna send them all to the warrior camp with Louie and get these fucking guys off our screen. Yeah, like I can so see them in a boat shouting, it’s just, it’s, that’s the future. Oh my

Amanda: god, I love it so much, guys. I really encourage you to listen to call her daddy to that podcast, because there’s so many more details that were just shocking about Jordan’s emotional abuse and the fact that he did not work. They had a full time nanny. He played golf all day while she worked, but then would be emotionally abusive by him saying you’re not here for the family and for the kids. I can’t

B: just enjoy your country club lifestyle that your wife’s affording for you while she runs a business with 50 employees.

Amanda: Seriously, but we do keep getting emails saying there’s going to be other spin offs that we did here, that they were casting in OC we’ve heard I’ve heard Phoenix,

B: we’ve heard Vegas,

Amanda: Vegas somewhere in Texas too. But we’re hearing that Jen Affleck and her husband Zach, would be heading up a spin off there in the OCU somewhere.

B: Fan reaction to this was not great. A lot of you guys DM me and you were like, Why Jen definitely not a favor to be a headliner. Yeah. We did also hear that Whitney would be getting a spin off. To me, Whitney makes so much more sense. I’m wonder. Yes, I’m thinking it’s probably too complicated, because she’s on Broadway right now, and we know it’s how are you going to film while you’re dancing on Broadway every night, sometimes twice a day? Yeah, I think it would be amazing if they were able to get some footage, like towards the end of her Broadway run, which I know they’ve extended because selling out, yeah, and then just do the show with her and her family. And like, she gonna go back to Salt Lake City? Is she gonna go to California? I feel like she’s got a huge future ahead of her. She’s like, the married Ariana Maddox, like she’s blowing up and while bachelorettes cancels guys, I do not see Hulu stopping from capitalizing on these women as a whole. They’ll give it a beat. They’re on a break. The audience is invested, and it’s a reality show. We grew up on this shit. We grew up on Sammy and Ronnie, so I’m sending dad talk on a boat like I’m putting them on an island. They’re going to the warrior camp, but we all hate them yet. Does it make sense, if we don’t hear their perspective at all? I don’t know. Do we have to have them on minimally trigger warning? Okay, the next 10 minutes, the loser guys are gonna come on and say their piece. So it makes sense. I don’t want

Amanda: to sound like we’re like men haters on reality TV. It’s just not them, not them like I think there’s plenty of other very interesting men.

B: Summerhouse does it very well?

Amanda: Yeah, exactly. The valley

B: does it very well, yes,

Amanda: but I’m not into I’m just not these dudes, bon voyage on your boat. Dad talks. Even Jesse admitted on the podcast that all the women. And think it’s dad talk is cringe as well. So even the women think that, and it’s not because some of them are very happily married women who are still saying that. What do you think about the rumors about Maura Higgins, most recently, of traders, being eyed as the next Bachelorette?

B: Perfect. Listen. We also heard she’s being eyed for ladies of London. I love Maura Higgins. She is gorgeous. I love her little personality. She’s funny, she’s cute. She’s got an amazing accent. When she says she Tinks. Seriously, let’s get her let’s do it. I will tune in for Miss Mora Higgins, yeah.

Amanda: And to wrap up that whole conversation, she seems to be in a very mentally stable, strong yes position, yeah. So Andy had said. Andy Cohen had said on his radio show ahead of summer house of this week’s episode that this was Kyle Kirks. Kyle cooks that this is his worst episode and the run of the show, I have to agree. I have a lot of thoughts about this. It’s just disturbing and awful to hear him say the things that he said to Amanda. I wouldn’t say out of the clear blue sky for reasons. We’ll talk about it in a minute. But it is awful and disgusting, and nobody likes that, and I think he deserves the backlash.

B: So I saw an Instagram reel this week, and it when I saw the scene with Kyle, it reminded me of the Instagram reel, and I think it’s something we try to teach our children, which is that all feelings are welcome, but all behaviors are not welcome. And no one can deny watching summer house this season, that this marriage has disintegrated, to where we can see that Kyle really does feel lonely. He does not feel connected to his wife. I can see when he says she says she’s in a funk, but there you are hanging out with everybody, not me. I do believe that he really feels this way, but what he’s not at all thinking about is how he got to this place, and it’s a much more complicated issue than her just being a bitch and wanting to hang out with other people, right? Yeah, for him to walk over and say, Fuck you. He was drunk. He wanted to DJ everybody else. Wanted to hang out outside. West did an amazing job of standing up for Amanda and really trying to neutralize the situation, he recognized that everyone had been drinking. He was like, just say you’re sorry. Let’s call it a night. Let’s and then Kyle Colter, a stupid fucking bitch in the bathroom. Yeah, I

Amanda: agree on the shout out to Wes. He told Kyle apologize multiple times. You’ve got to apologize. And he did it in a way though that was gentle but firm, and Kyle, at least at the time, didn’t get mad at West for getting involved. And you can see that West really cares about Amanda, and steadfastly stood up for her to everyone, not that anybody was defending Kyle over her, but saying she did nothing to deserve that, and flat out, Kyle was wrong. I think

B: so we watch Amanda really the whole cast, they were all like, Wait, so she’s just now gonna act like that didn’t happen last night and just do his birthday party. This is very normalized behavior for her. Yeah, I do also see in Amanda, it seems like she carries guilt, because I think when they first got together, the sun rose and sat around Kyle cook for her. And over the years, due to his actions, due to not compromising, still staying out, starting a DJ career, all these things, like not giving an inch, she has become apathetic towards him, and she physically recoils from him. She doesn’t seem to want to be around him. And he obviously feels that, and he feels it too late. He should have seen the signs and actively worked for it not to get to this place that would be a healthy way to manage it. Yeah, but for some reason, I do see her carrying some sort of guilt, and you even see it in how well she’s handling this breakup. Because I think she feels like I know he does all these things, but then like I am mean to him, and it’s we all can see that the split was the best choice. What did you think of Sierra talking to West and Jesse and just being like, they need to separate? Like, I know we all know that they were separated this summer. Whether or not the cast knew it, I don’t know. Was Sierra telling on them? Was, did they not know?

Amanda: Yeah, that’s the question. Because had we not and meaning like us, as in cocktails known the tea that they were already living in separate rooms last summer. Honestly, I would have been absolutely shocked and like angered, perhaps, to hear a Sierra say that I just it is not something you say,

B: which is what Jesse said, Yeah, I don’t really want to talk about my friend’s marriage,

Amanda: but it’s not something you say if it’s something that’s if it’s not something that’s already happening, and that’s where I’m like, I think Sierra knew. I think Amanda and Kyle knew. I don’t know that the others knew. If you look through back at the season, through that lens, things start to make a lot more sense. And I I’ve said this a million times, and. You’ve said it a million times with divorce, women decide they’ve mourn the marriage before they even file, and then men more in it after the divorce. Essentially, they are barely keeping it together for the cameras this season, Amanda cannot hide her distaste, and I don’t want to say malice,

B: but it’s almost apathy, like

Amanda: she does, very much apathy, but also rolling her eyes at him and reacting to all these things and even the comments on this is a test of my patients, just like they’ll all those little digs. She can’t hide it. And I really look at the summer, the season, as Kyle thinks he’s got this chance to make the marriage work this summer, and can’t understand why Amanda doesn’t seem to be trying to Yes. And I think that the confessional where Kyle says, in this last episode, I have given Amanda all these big, concrete reasons to be mad. I drink too much, stay out too late, I curse at her. I all the things that he says. But then he’s with Amanda. It’s so many little things that are harder to pin down in isolation, and he’s pretty much admitted they’re they’ve been staying together because of everything they have on the line, lover boy, the show, all of it. If there was ever a time to break the fourth wall, I think Kyle’s too much of a professional. But he could have done it, and it would have made sense. And it is sad to me to see him have this slow realization that things aren’t going to work and that it’s too little too late, because Amanda has already gotten off that fence. Mentally, she was finished with that marriage last summer.

B: Yes, she even said in the Marie Claire article, she said, for me, I already knew that it was not going to work, so I was just focusing on the other relationships in the house and trying not to ruin everyone’s summer by constantly fighting.

Amanda: And that’s that is what’s sad is that Kyle didn’t see that, and Kyle was really just coming to grips with it. And so that’s where I’m like, it makes sense that Sierra said that, had she said that in isolation and these things weren’t already moving, it would have been very out of character of her, but also very inappropriate. But in this case, knowing what we know, it makes sense, and it’s just a little bit sad to see the relationship break up. I’m not by any means saying that Kyle was in the right I think it’s just one of those things. It’s still just, even though we can all see that it wasn’t working. And Kyle had valid points about saying, like, all of these little things, but what Kyle wasn’t seeing as the bigger picture was that, which is that Amanda was already done. Yeah. And so

B: that brings us to the rumor with so this episode, we see West stick up for Amanda, and I think we see it more. I think we’re going to see it more. And we know that post the split being public, Amanda is hanging out with West and his group of friends a lot, and that started the rumor that they hook up. And that led to us getting DMS, where on more than one occasion, Kyle, when asked, has said that he believes it. Most recently at a party, he said that West is fucking my wife. So watching west on Watch What Happens Live, and watching west on this episode, what it really showed me was, while we don’t see Wes outright bashing Kyle, he is Team Amanda. I feel like what we’re seeing as an audience is that Kyle is angry that West isn’t staying neutral. So far, we have seen Jesse stay neutral so far. We have seen Carl stay neutral so far, whereas West, and especially last night on Watch What Happens Live, is taking Amanda’s side. I think that West and Amanda have a close relationship. I also think it’s possible that Kyle may have convinced himself that they hook up because Kyle can’t see why West would choose a woman over a friend unless they were right

Amanda: and Kyle maybe Kyle’s gotten somebody who’s gotten in his head in the DMS, who is I don’t think it’s true, but that doesn’t mean somebody isn’t out there telling them it is. The thing

B: for me is I don’t see Seattle. I don’t see Amanda doing this to Sierra. That’s the thing for me. And here’s especially why guys and this is breaking news. I got some intel today that West and Sierra did hook up this summer, towards the end of the season. I’m assuming we’re gonna see it. And not only that, they hooked up after the season, which after the season would be full. I find it really hard to believe that Amanda would go there and watch what happens live. People weren’t really satisfied with Wes answer, but he very clearly said, That’s my very good friend. He said something like, she’s done that with other people, I guess, meaning hooked up. No.

Amanda: He you said other this rumor has started about her hooking up with other people as well because of being pictured in social media

B: with them, I want to say something we’ve Wes is 31 years old, and watching him, I watch what happens live and the way that he champions. Friends, women, in this case, Amanda. I really enjoy it with that. Said, every one of us, including West, knows that Sierra has more than a crush on him. He broke up with her. We were we first, I think we were all pissed off, and then we came around and we were like, he was honest. He doesn’t want to settle down now, being told that he hooked up with her at the end of the summer and then in the fall, and knowing that now they’re just friends, and once again, he said he doesn’t want anything serious. It’s got me looking at West sideways, because I don’t love that for him. I don’t love that for him. I think I guess it’s hard, right? Because he does like Sierra too. But you know what she wants? She’s clear about what she wants. She wants a monogamous relationship that leads to marriage and children, and she really would want it with you. And so why are you hooking up with her? You are this wonderful stand up guy who’s so empathetic and wonderful to women I don’t know it was like, hypocritical.

Amanda: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think that he does know what he’s doing, an issue head around. He shouldn’t let his dick sexual urges speak for him in this case, because he knows better. And that’s the thing is, like he freaking knows better, and it doesn’t feel good knowing that he has no intentions of having the other seriously, people

B: are wondering why Sierra and Amanda haven’t been liking and commenting on each other’s posts. I can do one better for you. Amanda was in Palm Springs for a brand deal, and Sierra was in the same place, and they weren’t hanging out, and they didn’t post together. I have to tell you, I am not saying Amanda and West are hooking up, right, but knowing that Amanda knowing that Sierra and West did hook up in the summer, and they did hook up after the summer. Sierra is my girl. I’m Amanda. Like, maybe I hang out with a different group of people. So maybe Sierra does feel some kind of way with Amanda, and not directly, because they’re hooking up, but because it’s a boundary of, like, I wouldn’t go immerse myself with Kyle’s friend group. That wouldn’t be cool. And like, I know you’re friends with West, but technically, Sierra’s friends with Kyle too, and you should be mad at West. I know you’re happy he stuck up for you, but you should be mad at West for what he did to me by hooking up with me again and then not wanting to be with me. So you being out with him every night of the week. Yeah, I’m good on hanging out with you in Palm Springs and commenting on your posts. It’s not like they’re not friends, but

Amanda: she’s not happy you are. So Right? I definitely would not like it if you be went out with my ex and not just publicly out and about, but posting about it on social media. So I think there’s definitely something there. I don’t think Amanda and West are hooking up, though. Just I really,

B: I would. I’ll take the L if we’re wrong, but I’m standing with

Amanda: they’re not. Yeah. Then we have Dara. I keep calling her Dara, but it’s Dara hearing them talk on watch what happened,

B: Dara and Katie and then Dara is from ladies

Amanda: of London. Dara is ladies and London, but so just give us that bit of forgiveness you guys usually give us. We try our best. Yeah, I can’t quite figure out what I think of her. I’m trying to just give her a real chance to see if she’s genuine. It seems that Bailey may have been a little jealous of her, and whether she did it on purpose or not, has caused some trouble in the house, because Bailey told Lindsay, who told KJ that the first weekend that they were that Dara was in the house. She was Dara was in the room with Ben for an hour and then left in a different outfit. KJ was upset to hear that he is acting awkward. AF to her, God, bless that man. He has no chill. He didn’t even hug her when she got there. He just kept carrying on with his refrigerator organizing. Then a little bit later, he confronted her with it. She says, straight up, it is not that is not factual. I would admit it to you, if we have been talking for an hour, there’s no crime in that. It just did not happen. She’s that it’s not something that is based on reality. It’s nonsense.

B: So I believe, like Dara said, that isn’t accurate, but yeah, we said last week, and I don’t want to repeat it, but we believe that we know that Ben had a girlfriend the entire time, so he, even though he’s presenting himself as single, Dara knew that he was not available to date. I am not saying that she didn’t have interest in KJ, I think she did. I do think Bailey is hung up on Ben and has this little crush, and everyone’s drinking and you see her go in the room and you don’t really pay attention. I’m not necessarily saying that Bailey even did it maliciously. It’s a game of telephone, but we do see clips of Bailey and dara’s now I’m like, I keep thinking how I’m gonna say the name. I know we do see clips of them confronting each other, and it looks juicy. Yeah. So they were recently doing a promo, and Lindsay was asked, like some of the cast, who’s on the show to get famous. And she said, Dara. Yeah. I. And I was happy they addressed it on Watch What Happens Live. And West was like, listen, I invited Dara to the to the house, and Andy said, nobody’s on reality television because they don’t want to be famous, right? So do I think that Dara may have manipulated her way into the house by getting hot and heavy with KJ her knowing he was so into her. Sure, it’s possible, but there’s a lot of people, Lindsay, included, who would have done the same to get on a hot reality show. Doesn’t make her a terrible person. She’s an influencer. She does makeup tutorials. She wants in on this life. This was her shot. She took it. I do believe that the post was shared in cocktail party about her being overheard at a cafe in New York City saying, KJ, yelled at her and they had split. And I believe all that’s true. I think we’ll hear about it next season. Clearly, she’s working it out with him. So aren’t they

Amanda: together now? Yes, just friends.

B: No, because she was at Watch What Happens Live when KJ was the guest and she was in the audience, and KJ is like, I love her, and I don’t. Is she doing it to secure a contract? So she definitely has a bed in the House next season. It seems a lot to date somebody from let’s call it February, because we know they were split in November.

Amanda: Seasonally convenient. Yeah, I

B: don’t know. And I guess we’ll find out. If we go to this season and she right away breaks up with him and cites all the crazy stuff when she, meantime, has been dating him after for months, then we’ll know what’s that?

Amanda: John Mayer song, St Patrick’s Day. Oh, I don’t know. It’s about how people will stay together until just for the winter, for cuffing season, essentially, yes, and then break up at St Patrick’s Day. And it’s the opposite for summer house.

B: People listen. KJ has publicly said he has borderline personality disorder. Yeah, I actually miss posted I had written bipolar and I corrected it. I had a couple of psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors in my DMs explaining to me that borderline personality, it’s not genetic. It’s actually something that can be caused through trauma and abuse and like complicated relationships as a child and through intensive therapy, you could work through it. And KJ is a doll. He’s just such a sweetheart. I’m loving him. I think we’re all very protective of him, and so we’re assuming the worst from Dara. But that’s not necessarily true, yeah, so I’m gonna, I’m gonna give Dara a break for the time being. Now, if Dara dumps him weekend too, we know what she was up to.

Amanda: I am just gonna say this. I really hope that she’s being genuine, because KJ is a delicate, sweet flower of a man, yes, and he deserves somebody who understands him and even embraces it that, but even more, if we keep seeing like what we’re seeing of him, this man is gonna have millions of Bravo fans writing for him unlike we have ever seen. I really think that, assuming we continue to see him be this sweet and vulnerable, Dara could really, she could really be playing with a

B: little fire here. She could be playing with fire here. Yeah, I think she’s got to be very careful. I also wanted to give a little shout out to Carl, because I keep seeing clicks of his podcast. He had Dorinda on. I am really, very impressed. He’s really good. And there are so many podcasts out there, and some people do it better than others, and I absolutely plan on tuning in to Carl Rae’s podcast. I think he’s really good at it. He asked great questions. He isn’t judgmental. He really has a really good personality for it. Not to take a shot at 2t in a pod, but if I were a Bravo Leb, I would much prefer to go on Carl’s show, from what I’ve seen, yeah, then they

Amanda: make it about him. That’s what I really liked about his show, is that, yes, he relates to things and if the other person brings up things that he’s been through, but he really doesn’t make it about him. And I,

B: and I think originally he was focusing on like recovery, and I certainly think that there’s a space for that, and he should do some episodes like that, but I really like him. By Nick Val, Carl raggy is the one. Yes, I’m down for Carl Radke to get these interviews and to be the guy, because he’s very good at it. And I want to see Carl win. And I don’t know if reality, if he’s he listened, he can always be on the cast, but he’s never going to be the most interesting guy on the show anymore. He was at a time, and that’s no longer for him, and that’s okay.

Amanda: Yeah, peace, big, tan and gray hair. He looked really hot.

B: He did. Carl, so we’re listening, and we love it, and we encourage cocktails to give a listen to Carl’s pod as well, because

Amanda: I really think it’s good. Definitely look at us podcasters, supporting podcasters, even now, I’d send this clip to him.

B: Actually, maybe he could give us a shout out. We love you guys. Thanks, everybody.

— EMERGENCY PODCAST: Amanda and West Update —

B (Emergency Podcast): Cocktail party. What is up? We have an emergency pod. We only do this when we’re in dire straits. Amanda is at a sporting event for one of her children. I’m just gonna break it down. We all know about the Amanda and West rumors, and I want to be very clear. And you guys know this. You guys are cocktails, you guys are VIP. You understand who I am, who Amanda is. I do allow my own bias, how I am, how I view others, based on what I see on TV, to weigh into what I hear and the rumors. I think everybody does that right. So I’m just being honest about it. When you watch a show and you’re invested, you feel like, you know people. So I have said from the jump, I don’t believe the West and Amanda thing. It’s not that. I don’t believe that Wes and Amanda would hook up. And it’s funny, because Amanda and I have had conversations offline about it. I was like, well, if Sierra wasn’t involved, and Amanda was like, Yeah, B we cannot. That changes everything. Like, if, see, yeah, if Sierra wasn’t involved, it’s a totally different ball game, but Ciara is involved. So my hope is that this is a media blitz to get us to watch the spin off, to hook us in. It’s a diversion. And they’ll film The reunion, and it will come out that absolutely nothing is going on beyond friendship. Okay? So I just want to say that we know and we okay. So we spoke about this on our pod that’s coming out tomorrow for you guys, Saturday, for non subscribers, this emergency pod is only for you guys, because it’s cocktails only. We found out yesterday that they’re on this brand deal together, and they’re not hanging out. They’re on an ollie brand deal with Amazon. And I’m like, You know what? They could have different schedules. They were supposed to do Amazon lives together. They did them separately. And I’m like, it could be a money thing. They could be like, Listen, you can make this much if you guys break it up and do it separately. Like, that’s not necessarily that could be a business thing, right? All good. However, while I poo pooed the West and Amanda rumors and you guys have been in my DMs and to the nth degree, I feel like I almost put earmuffs on. Kind of like wedding, no, not wedding crushes, kind of like old school. Remember the movie old school with the earmuffs I was listening to when I was hearing and I take note of what I hear, and so when I get a piece of a puzzle that I can no longer deny, I have to open it up as a possibility, right? And nothing is confirmed until it’s confirmed. So I was given intel on the brand deal you guys are going to hear about that. My thing is Amanda, and I see this on the pod tomorrow. Amanda and Sierra not hanging out. Here’s the thing, Sierra, it could be enough for her to be annoyed with Amanda that she was hanging out so closely with West, right? Because, and only you guys know this, because we posted it just yesterday, but West and Sierra do, in fact, hook up at the end of this season of summer house. They were hooking up subsequently to that so I don’t know when it ended. I just know that it’s not like they hooked up two years ago. And even if they did, we all know that Sierra is very invested in West. She likes him a lot. She would like to be with him, right? He is off limits for her best friend, period. So I don’t know if West and Sierra saw each other three weeks ago, they would have still hooked up. It could be like that. I do know, though, that. So the source that told me this guy’s is a little suspicious, because they were like, he made it clear they’re just friends. So on the one hand, this person was telling me that the hookup wasn’t true, but on the other hand, they were like, Oh no, no. Sierra and West are just friends. I’ll leave it. There you have Ciara, who rode for her girl throughout her marriage, her separation, she stood next to her bravocon held her hand all weekend. We knew they were split. They didn’t confirm it until after, but Ciara held it down for Amanda. So whether Amanda just got really drunk and made out with him or just hung out with him too much. I don’t think Sierra will ever be able to look past it, just not. I don’t want to use the word ever. Sierra is going to be mad at Amanda just for hanging out so closely with him. She wouldn’t do that with Kyle, right? She’s friends with West Amanda. Sierra’s friends with Kyle. They’re a group of friends that would be like Sierra going to all Kyle’s DJ events, because now we know the facts, and we know that Sierra and Wes were hooking up this summer. So this is recent. So why is Amanda all over the city with him and his friend? Even if you’re not hooking up, you’re with his group of friends, Ciara is not there, and now all these rumors are starting, and you still don’t stop. You may have stopped posting about it, but we know we’re all detectives. We see the outfits from where they’re posting, and they’re at the same bar in all of us. So she’s out having a grand old time three Martini nights with Sierra’s guy. I mean, they’re not monogamous, because he doesn’t want to be, but it’s who Sierra is into, and Sierra has been into. I wouldn’t appreciate it if I were Sierra, and we know that Sierra is sensitive, and Sierra has boundaries and so on the pod, what Amanda and I said was, even if West and Amanda are not hooking up, Ciara is probably pissed off that she’s hanging out with. Wes so much that Amanda is hanging out with. Wes so much.

Sierra wants more from him. She wants to be more than just hookup buddies. I’m sure she’s confide. In her best friend, Amanda, and here comes Amanda, hanging out with him three times a week in every snowstorm here or there, every corner bar for a burger, drinking beers, drinking martinis. But still, I didn’t bring myself to a place where I wanted to believe it, even though I started to have suspicions because I didn’t love West’s answer when he was asked on Andy on Watch What Happens Live, which, by the way, it was hugely softball, Andy said something to the effect of, oh, we know the internet rumors aren’t true, but can you address you and Amanda, he said, she’s single now. Oh, wait, yeah, she’s single now. And I got to show her the streets a bit, if it’s not clear, that’s a very important person to me, and I care about her a lot. That’s a friend. Hope that’s clear. And then he said, she’s single now, and it’s happened to other people she’s hanging out with. I don’t know if he means that she’s hooked up with, or there’s rumors she hooked up with. And then he’s asked, Do you think they’re in a better place, Kyle and Amanda being separated? He said, I think there’s a lightness almost to both of them. I think they both feel lighter, so I think it’s better. Now. For Amanda’s part, she was asked if she’s ready to date, and this is back on February 3, the rumors before the snow day, before all of that. She said, I love my boys, not in that way. Friends forever. You can see my voice inflection starting to change, and the reason for that is that I, like, took notes guys, and I’m, like, trying to because I want to, like, stay on task, because I go off on my tangents, and I don’t have Amanda here to keep me from my tangents. Okay, I think I got it. Okay, so today I got something, and I can’t give exact details, but when I tell you this is, like, happening in real time, this is legit, legit, legit source says, I’m gonna say someone in fashion working with Sierra’s team confirmed that Sierra is making changes to her plans with Amanda with brand deals. They’re referring to the brand deals with Amazon that they’re doing for Ollie in California. I forget which town Ciara was given verbal confirmation that something happened between Amanda and West production is trying to get concrete proof ahead of the reunion, but whatever source told Ciara, she now believes it to be true. So guys, just to be clear, I’m not saying they’re in a relationship. I think that if this was a situation where Amanda and West had too much to drink and did a make out, that would be enough. And we know, because we know Sierra watching her all these seasons, that would be enough for Ciara not to want to see Amanda, for Sierra, to tell Amazon we are filming separate lives. I’m not going to be in the same room as her, and to be very upset. And I feel rightfully so, right? That’s my position. That’s how I am. I wouldn’t touch my best friend’s ex boyfriend from high school. And I’m 44 years old, so you understand where I stand with this. I have to be honest. Wes doesn’t want to settle down with anybody, not Sienna, Sierra, excuse me, not Amanda, not Dara, nobody. And if this is true, not only is Amanda gonna suffer, but he’s gonna get knocked off his high horse, because we’re all loving Him, sticking up for Amanda and being the voice of reason and putting Kyle in his place. And here he is hooking up with Sierra at the end of summer house, which I already didn’t appreciate. And Amanda and I spoke about how, like we thought he was better than that, and he acts like he’s better than that, but he knows that she’s in love with him, and he also knows he’s not ready to be monogamous with her. So why is he leading her on? Already not happy now, if, on top of that, he hooked up with Amanda, and again, I don’t think they’re dating. I don’t even know if I think they did more than make out. Who knows? We may never know. I think we’ll know if, quote, unquote, something happened, but there’ll always be plausible deniability for if you guys can’t tell, I did have a couple of glasses of wine. I was out to eat with my sister in law. When all this went down, I’m gonna take a deep breath and a sip of my water. I’m being so dramatic, and I apologize, but this is like where my headspace is, because this is all like rolling out in real time. Amanda’s leaving a 10 year relationship. Amanda is not herself. Amanda is vulnerable. We don’t know single Amanda. I don’t know if Amanda knows single Amanda. She got together with Kyle when she was in her early 20s. That was 10 years ago. I would really hope that she didn’t do this, but I also don’t approve of her constantly hanging out with him. Sierra and her are not hanging out on their brand deal. Sierra has not liked any of Amanda post, so that’s a telltale sign that Ciara isn’t happy. I really hope the worst case scenario is a drunk make out. But again, how will we know? And also, if you’re willing to kiss him, how do I know you’re not doing more and you’ve already crossed the line? I think it would be so bad for Amanda, because let’s say Amanda’s in love with West, let’s say she’s in love with him. And again, this never happened to me. I don’t want to sound holier than

now, but I wouldn’t allow myself to be in a situation to be that close to somebody who’s off limits, if my best friend loves somebody, they’re off limits to me. And I won’t put myself in a situation the same way as a married woman. I don’t put myself in situations where I would cheat on my husband. It just is what it is. Right? You don’t put yourself in those situations. But. Amanda did. Now, if it’s truly platonic and CR is just mad about them hanging out, they could move past it. If there’s even a kiss, they can’t move past it if there’s even a kiss, what’s the difference between Amanda and Raquel? Did Amanda just blow blow up her glow up her Ariana next level to make out with a fuck boy who isn’t looking to commit to any girl, and God knows, he’s got options. One more gorgeous and wonderful than the next. So that’s where we’re at. I felt the need to hop on here and just hash it out and just kind of work through the thoughts. I have a feeling we’re going to be getting more intel. This is happening in real time. Ciara is finding this out in real time. It is coming to me in real time, and I had stuff that I really, truly ignored, and that’s just me being honest, because I feel that Amanda is better than this. I hope Amanda is better than this, and if I find out Amanda isn’t better than this, it’s going to break my heart, because I will. I’ll feel sorry for her honestly, because I understand she’s vulnerable. I understand she just got out of a marriage, but that is your A one. She held your hand at bravocon While you were going through your hardest time. Even to be so close with West is too much for me, and I’m sure Sierra too. But if you cross the line and kissed him, slept with him, whatever it is that is low down, and you’re going to have a very tough time coming back from that, because very sadly, in this world, women don’t get much grace. Men, we see, we all hate Sandoval, but he’s been on like five shows since nobody’s heard from Raquel. So it isn’t fair that women get treated differently, and we should. That’s what it is. But as a girl’s girl myself, I personally would never look at her the same, and that’s where I’m at. We’ll weigh in. We’ll chat about it together. We certainly will talk about this on next week’s pod. I love you guys, and I hope I wasn’t too scatter brained on here, because I was like, really going off the top. I took some voice notes in my

phone, and I was trying to read them, but they were not legible, so that’s why I had to stop and pause a few times. Bye, guys.