183. Teresa and Joe (and Melissa?) reconciling? Steven McBee’s new love; RHOC is mess; Did Heather Gay ever stop hating Lisa Barlow?

Teresa and Joe (her brother, not her ex) seem to be reconciling and we broke the news. B walks us through how everything went down on Saturday. And, we got some additional tea about how things are changing in New Jersey – what do we think this all means for RHONJ? Steven McBee has a new lady in his life. Who do we think is behind the mystery voice on RHOC? Do we think Tamra will continue to be on RHOC? Did Gretchen like the posts? And LIsa Barlow continues to come undone on RHOSLC. We have thoughts about why we think Mary was actually mad at Meredith. And when it comes to Heather Gay vs. Lisa Barlow, we have opinions about why Heather is going so hard at Lisa after they “mended their friendship”. 

What’s up? Cocktails? Amanda, cocktailers, what a week, what a weekend we were on.
I mean, I swear, like the second Daylight Savings hits all hell broke. We have a coin where you hang cocktails, by the way, hi.
We have a couple of things brewing that we’re really like waiting on. Because I’m just gonna say that. I’m gonna just stay tuned.
Yeah, it could be a big one coming. But I am like, I think everybody is tired this week. I think everybody should give each other some grace.
Yes, we’re all tired. We’re all tired,
but I mean, so much going on. I’m so ready to gossip. There’s been some stuff that we have had in cocktail party, and we got some real time Intel, which is so fun. And of course, we share this with the cocktail community and some of this with our larger community, but let’s talk about it.
Honestly, it was great prep for you and I for bravocon, because this is our third Bravo con, the first bravocon, Bravo and cocktails didn’t exist for because we’ve missed a couple years covid. They didn’t do it last year, and my Instagram has been around since November. Wait, oh, we’re in November now of 2019 so that’s six years we’re doing. I’m doing this. And then you joined me in 2020 right?
Yeah, is that what I was trying to remember when I started following you, I think I started following you around. It was maybe the Hella Baldwin stuff is, I think maybe when I found you, I can’t remember. And then we launched the website in what October of was it 21 is that right? Yes, yeah, I think so. I want to say yes. We need the cocktail or historians to remain at the beach.
Yes, but Bravo. Con is always very intense. So much stuff comes in. We want to get it out to you guys, the pictures, the videos, all the tea. So this weekend was like a micro version. If you’re not a subscriber, I’m gonna walk you guys through what happened this weekend, but I do highly recommend that if you’ve ever considered joining, this is the time so much is popping off. Remember, bravo. Con is upon us. People are spilling the beans. Never mind what we’re gonna get on that weekend. And I say that because this is our third one, and it’s insanity every time. I mean, what was. It.
Two years ago, we got video of Shep being out of hand in base. Yeah, so you guys knew about that way before that, they talked about it
on so many hookups, all of that stuff. I mean, Ashley and Luke thing. We had all of that.
We in August, we literally, we have a team standing by. Yes, no, seriously, this weekend,
seriously, full team. We have a team. And listen, I get it like on a personal level, like saying to yourself, Oh, my God, I’m paying for another subscription. We are not offended. You can always cancel at the end of the month or even the next day, the thing with cocktail party. So code My treat. It’s $5 to try us out. You join November 1. You get a full month of access, even if you cancel the next day. So you get from November one till December one, even if you cancel November 2. Use my code My treat. Capitalize with cocktail party. You get all the hottest teas. You get the bonus pod. You get this pod ad free. You get a day early. We have monthly zooms. We have access to our amazing community on Discord, and honestly, we have a very high retention rate because we waste money on so many things. Myself, I am a coffee addict, so I spend way too much on coffee. So I don’t think
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I know, which is, like, a whole other problem in and of itself. But we’ve got some really, oh, and we’ve got some really good intel about the valley. We’re gonna say about it. Yeah, I’m cocktail pod. Yeah. By the way, our cocktail pod last week was, like, really juicy, and people loved it. We really go on, like, total tangents there. And it’s almost, I don’t even remember it, when people are DMing me, I’m like, Oh, God, we did say that.
I think my favorite metaphor for it is what you said, I don’t know, a few weeks ago. You said, when you have a party and then most of the guests leave, and then it’s just your good friends that stay. And that’s, yeah, if the real talk comes out, you sit on the couch, you have your glass of wine, and that’s that is exactly what.
You put your comfy clothes on, and your slippers, and you’re like, okay, yes, it’s much. It’s unfiltered, yo.
Let’s talk about, let’s Yeah. So guys, cocktail Bravo on cocktails.com/join, is where you go to do that. And that five month, or that $5 is for the first month. It does go to the normal price of 750 which is pretty much the normal price of my coffee now. So why don’t you tell us about every how everything went? Because I think sometimes the behind the scenes is just as interesting as the actual tea. So tell us what happened on Saturday.
Oh my gosh. First of all, I get so excited, but nervous, but like sweating, and I’m texting Amanda and fielding the DM so I got back from doing all the sports stuff, right? Got the kids, got to this sport, that sport, the whole thing. I got home Saturday, I was actually like, I had a day to myself where I was like, I can do laundry in my room with my shows on and chill. So there I am, folding my laundry, checking the DMS, 220 Eastern time. I get a DM that says, hey, b i have quick real time tea for you. A friend is at Willow and wisk in Wyckoff, New Jersey. Theresa is there with Louie. Joe and Melissa are also there. I don’t see any cameras. My sister FaceTime me to show me like legit they’re there right now. So I immediately say to the person, please get a picture. And they say, Hold on. Let me call my sister. Oh no, they’re in the back of the restaurant. She can’t see them anymore. A bunch of you guys messaged me now. Mind you, this was all at 220 I got the message and posted. You guys are all messaging me. B the restaurant closes at three. Like, they got to get this picture fast. So essentially, they obviously bought the restaurant out, or asked the restaurant to do them a solid and let them in a little bit before they’re in the back room. At the time, we were like, maybe cameras are in the back, but I’m told there were no cameras in the back, which makes perfect sense, because the next piece of tea we got, oh, we didn’t even get to that yet. Okay, wait, sorry. So we’re all going wild, and the DMS posting, I’m texting Amanda, we’re on the phone. Then another source reached out to me that goes b this is not the first time that Theresa and Joe have met. Their first meeting was productive, and now spouses are involved. Makes it said, yeah, they said, I’ll add Joe and Theresa met earlier in October in a place that was very special to their parents for about two hours. It was just the two of them, no cameras. So this makes sense, because Sunday morning, I get a message from one of you guys who said, Andy, I was at Andy and Anderson’s show in Boston. He said, they’re giving Jersey time to heal themselves, because it didn’t work out when they hated each other. So here’s what it is. Theresa and Joe met to talk. It went well, all four of them meeting to talk. Clearly, the network is interested, but not interested in them working it out into on camera. They’re probably going to wait until they’ve worked it out, so we’re not going to get to see the. Original conversations. Of course, there’ll be confessionals and there’ll be some sort of discussion on camera about how they meet up, but I guess they’re, like, we have, over the years, done this, and like, we’re not interested in having you hash it out. I’m getting, like, get your shit together, and then we’ll put cameras up right thoughts.
Oh my gosh. Okay. Honestly, I think it’s playing out the way we thought it would right, because first there was test filming in August, September, and we knew at that time, Teresa was not a part of it, but Melissa was then. I believe it was GIA first, who mentioned on a podcast that Theresa might be open to reconciling. And then we hear from Teresa herself, mentioning on a podcast that she would be open to reconciling, because as we thought, Theresa saw the writing on the walls that filming was going to happen without her. I think she also saw that Melissa got the extra show, The Wife Swap show. And I think Theresa probably realized that if this was going to happen, she needed to be the one to open the door to reconciliation. So the timing all makes sense, too. This was Saturday, the first of November. Bravo. Cons happening, I think starting the 12th so I think that the timing all makes sense that there’s going to be some, I would imagine there’s going to be some sort of announcement made at bravocon, either that they’ve reconciled, or that they have reconciled and that they will be filming the show. Something’s going to happen. So for those, for everybody who has wanted to see them reconcile, or wanted to see the ability, their ability to at least film together civilly, Christmas is here early, because I think it is. I think it’s happening. But I think practically, I’m sure that when I say all of these things, I don’t mean to make it sound like For Theresa, is just about the money and it’s just about being on the show. But I would imagine that all of the timing and all of the test filming and bravocon and all that maybe put some time pressure on it so that she also, like I said, I think she probably it made her realize that she probably needed to be the one to open the door so
which is very big for her, because she isn’t usually the one to cave. And I’ll say this, I think a lot of people will say she’s just doing it for the show, and I certainly think there’s an added incentive with that. Said, time does soften things. I think you’ve all been in situations where we’ve been very mad at somebody we loved very much, and we’re very close to and time does make you forget, and it also makes you miss the person, right? So you can be really mad at somebody, and is stubborn as Teresa is, I mean, probably one of the most stubborn people, right? Yeah, and so is Joe. I mean, they’re all, you’re dealing with stubborn people here. So I’m not they have the same genetic
pride, a lot of pride, and
I just think that what time does is it gives you the space to miss the person, and so you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. And that’s what they did, right? And is it going to be the same? No, but it doesn’t have to be the same. And I think peak peace for the sake of their parents are gone, yes, but peace for the sake of what your parents would want. And so who was it? I think it was Melissa on an interview, said that Joey saw was it Adriana? I think the youngest one for at a party or something, and they went over and they like, were like, Oh, hi, and like, peace, for the sake of the kids, because at the end of the day, you can’t make new cousins. You can make new friends, but you can’t make new cousins. And family is important. You have a shared history. So yeah, the show helps. But I think time, and I also think the show was an incentive for Theresa in the fact that she could can convince her husband to allow her to make up with her brother because of the show, I think if she didn’t have an IT, because it seemed to me, and it’s funny, they were replaying the last season, and they showed that scene where they were in Teresa’s bedroom, and he was so mad, and he says, I hope Margaret’s son suffers and you’ll never speak to your brother again. And there was so much anger there, but, like, years, yeah, but years later, even that softens, right? And you’re like, you know what? This was my wife’s career for how many years? And this is how she earns her check. So maybe he wouldn’t have been so willing to say, yeah, go work it out with your brother. But I’m sure the show allowed him the space to be like, Yeah, that makes sense.
That’s such a good point. I hadn’t even thought about that. I also, though, and I know you felt this way too. I think everybody pretty much wanted to see them reconcile, and who knows if we’ll get all the way to this point. But I liked the days when. Lisa and Theresa were getting along and had fun and were throwing cake and Siggy was getting mad. It was enjoyable. And you could see, like those two, they’re so similar, that’s probably part of why they have clashed, in some ways. So I think all signs are looking really good. I think, as we have guessed in the past that Bravo was letting them, letting all of the housewives that we know and love just stew, Stew on it, and now Andy says letting them heal. But I think that also it’s a letting fans miss them and letting the housewives themselves miss being on TV, so I think it’s very anxiously awaited by everybody. And mark our words, something’s gonna get announced next week. Yes, oh yeah, oh yes. And then, as all of that fell into place over the weekend, we got an email on Monday that I will share with you guys, and it is subject is real households in New Jersey. It says New Jersey is poised to become a New Celebrity Hot Spot thanks to Netflix’s presence, thanks to Netflix’s new $1 billion investment to transform the previously shuttered 292 acre former Fort Monmouth in New Jersey, realtors are already seeing an uptick in property interest and prices as actors, executives, directors, producers are scoping the area ahead of the 2028 completion date. Bravo is already scoping interest of any high powered individuals moving from LA to be a part of the New Jersey reboot, although 2028 seems far away, it’s really only two years. Bravo anticipates getting one more season of New Jersey out by late 2026 early 2027 and then the season after that will be elevated, with some women who are planning to make the move. The women attending bravocon are the only ones that are being considered for next season. Bravo believes if Theresa and Melissa make up, then Margaret and Theresa can too, with Teresa, Melissa Dolores, Margaret and Jen Fessler plus three newbies. Bravo believes it will work if the women are actually connected to the cast. Bravo is interested in Lisa Fortunato, who has been friends with Teresa for years and has even been on the show a few times. Her daughter is the one who is roommates with Brooke Shields, youngest daughter.
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So this email is super interesting. I think what they’re saying is, let’s bring back Theresa, Melissa, dolo Margaret, some newbies. Let that carry us through. And if we’re going to do a full reboot, or if the new ladies don’t work out, we can hone in on all of these high powered Los Angeles folks who are moving to New Jersey again, these things could change. Does Theresa? Do Theresa and Melissa? Are we interested in watching that? Does it work? Do the new girls pop? Does it work so well that they decide to just keep jersey with everybody? We said? Plus newbies, and then do an entirely different show with these la folks, all possible. I mean, the reality is, look at New York. We currently have a summer house spin off filming next gen, New York filming. Soon enough, we’re going to have Ronnie filming, so Jersey can certainly have two shows.
Yeah. I mean, I think the Intel, it seems credible, credible. I did a little research on the new Netflix facility. It’s going to include sound stages and production facilities, and I think the location makes a lot of sense, because it’s within driving distance to Manhattan, so that would increase the talent pool for possible Real Housewives. And I think it’s good news. I think we know that they’ve been taking their time with casting, because they haven’t been able to quite get it right. They were looking at women a lot farther south in New Jersey, things like that.
So yeah, like, I think Cabral, they considered when they were doing test filming and they flopped, but once Theresa threw that Hail Mary on Jeff Lewis, she’s out because they said only people invited to Bravo con will be doing jersey, yeah,
and I looked at where else Netflix has had ancillary kind of facilities, and one of them is in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and apparently, quite a few bigger pieces of land and nicer Real Estate closer to Santa. Fe did get bought up when that happened? So again, this feels pretty credible, guys. Gossip doesn’t sleep, neither do we. Monday morning, bee woke up to a ton of Intel in the DMS, and we also had some other emails. One other quick thing to know, because we have been getting both new cocktails and just new listeners, new people who are just seeing the website for the first time. We have a whole page that just says, Send us tea. We actually moved that button right to the top of the website so it’s super easy to reach. So if you’re on your phone, which the vast majority of you will be at bravocon. If you click the drop down menu at the top right that send us tea thing is right there. It opens a page. There’s a form on there. You can put send us the tea. You can send us videos. You can send us pictures. And don’t forget that no little bit of tea is too small ever because, for example, I mentioned the Shep thing. We got that from a few different angles. We got a video. We got a couple of different people sending us a tea. And so then it helped us put together a bigger a bigger post, and like a little bit more of the story. So and especially with biblecon, we are going to be posting everything, pictures of people, of people being seen out in the wild, any things that are shared or that we over people overhear other people say, like all of we’re going to be sharing. So especially just a lot of people will have FOMO who aren’t there, so then everyone can be in the loop. So just wanted to bring that up because bravocon is coming up. The other thing is, you can put in a whatever email you want, or you can put in your real email and then just say, hey, we don’t share it. We don’t share it’s usually it’s Real Housewives of New jersey@bravo.com which we know is a fake but it’s a real email. We don’t repost the real email. We love it if we get the real email, because then we can write back and ask questions. But if you really want to be truly anonymous, you can put in a 123, at abc.com, and we still get the email, the videos, the pictures that you send, and it’ll stay anonymous. Rant over about that, but like I said, we have a team standing by. We’re ready so Monday morning, B gets a DM that Steve Steven McBee is dating a new girl named Allie. This is obviously coming from somebody who knows them. We know he was rumored to be talking to Sally from southern charm a couple of months ago, but obviously was a quick fling, because a few hours after we posted that Steven was dating this girl. She is an influencer model based in Nashville, then Steve posted, then she posted, and the relationship was hard launched,
and yes, she looks a lot like Kala, his ex girlfriend, beautiful girl. She posted how she loves mama. McBee, both Allie and Casey, his brother’s wife and mother the other brother’s mother of his child, posted that they approve. They love her. We had a cocktail, or who actually saw them together at an event very recently, said they were lovely and sweet. He sought her out on Instagram. You guys, I mean boots on the ground. We love you. They say they’re super cute. They’re aligned as a couple. She comes from a ranching family in Texas, because a lot of you guys were like, What’s with him and these model girls who don’t like farms, actually, she does look like a model. She is a model, but she’s from a ranch in Texas, so some juicy tidbits on her. One girl wrote and said, Allie and I are loose friends. I’m so confused by this. She dated Trevor Knight. I have no idea who that is. I wish you Google that they had a and then had a massive wedding to this Nashville guy named Garrett. They got divorced right after, and right after they made their divorce public, it came out that he had another girl pregnant. So the rumor is that she found out that this girl was pregnant, and that’s why they got divorced.
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M, okay, that’s why I don’t know him more. Good news, she’s not a gold digger, because somebody else told me that she the ranching family she’s from is very well off. The person said her dad is a billionaire. I don’t know how accurate billionaire is. Perhaps it is accurate. Clearly, she comes from money. Yeah, so they’re currently filming. She’s filming. She’s been spotted by more than one of you filming. So yeah, and now they’re posting, like, every five seconds, yeah, we outed them. And they were like, All right, we’re out. We might as well.
Yeah, the man clearly has a type. She does look a lot like Calla, but it is nice to see that the whole family approves. And then you see that Steven himself says on Instagram that he’s never been so sure about something, so think he’s thinking end game, maybe I should just, should I email him and ask,
ask him to jump on a call with us so we could see him topless. I like him. I want to see I think he definitely has baby fever. If you follow Steve online, he is enamored with his two beautiful nieces, and he’s spending a lot of time with his brothers and their wives. One of them is not technically married. As a matter of fact, his new girlfriend posted a picture, and they were hunting, and Cole’s girlfriend, she put a heart over her finger, and people were like, Oh, he’s hiding a ring. But then others of you said, if there was a lot of blood, they would have blocked that, because I guess that gets flagged on Instagram, so I don’t know. It is possible they’re engaged, though, and not saying anything until the show airs, we’ll see or we’ll post
about it if we got to confirm on that, right? Hey, listen, guys, if you guys are in the streets, if you see Cole’s girlfriend, Casey, that’s Casey, right? Casey is Cole’s friend. If you see her in the streets, please look at her left finger. What a weird thing like, can you imagine too, if they’re engaged, and then she just feels like she can’t wear her ring in public because people will report it. What a strange world we live in. It must be so hard to get used
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I can totally see Steven being ready to settle down, especially because He’s the eldest brother their family’s been through a lot the last couple of years. Yeah, if and honestly, the people that the cocktails who reached out that know his new girlfriend, Allie, said she’s a lovely girl and a really nice, sweet girl, and he seems like such a nice, sweet guy. So I’m very happy for them. And listen, we’ll take all the cute McBee babies and weddings and all
that, and their family has that place in Nashville. So it feels, and it seems to be driving distance between their farm and Nashville, because that you see them doing that drive on the show. So that seems to fit in the place as well. So hopefully, maybe I will email him and ask him, what’s up. I think we should. I think we should. Okay, so you guys know we record on Thursdays, so that means that the Orange County reunion. Is tonight, coming off of the final episode where we get we had the whole fight with Gretchen and Heather, but really it was kind of Gretchen and everyone about those homophobic about liking homophobic posts on Instagram, and then at the very end of the episode, there is a weird kind of disguised voice on a phone calling and talking to I think it was Gina’s phone. The voice is obviously disguised, but the voice says Tamara leaked details about what was going on during the entire filming of the season. The person claim that they are a blogger of some sort. So first,
for those of you that are asking what kind of posts they were that Gretchen allegedly liked, I’ll just share that one of them said that homosexuality opens the door to pedophilia. So that is an example of one of them. So she claims to be an ally, and you can cannot be an ally if you believe that a homosexual person is a pedophile, right? Pedophile? I’m sorry. I just it’s very upsetting to even read again. I We don’t know. She claims she did not like them. We don’t know. I personally found her reaction to be super weird. It could have been shock if she really didn’t do it anyway. I don’t know people are saying that. There’s a lot of evidence over Reddit and in other Twitter and on other areas of the internet. And this has been a thing, and fans have seen it. But when she wasn’t on the show, it wasn’t exactly relevant, but people saw it. Okay, so a lot of you guys were like, that voice at the end of the episode sounded like Slade, and it did. A lot of you also thought it sounded like Jeff Lewis. Here’s the thing that would never get past production, right? They listened to the real voice. They had a sign off. There are things that happen right when you go on air, whether it’s your voice or even just a copy of your website, in our case, but I certainly think it’s possible that it’s somebody that Slade and Gretchen put up to it, because let’s face it, all the women filming knew their content as Gina Cola, which I found that really weird too. Your content, it’s supposed to be your real life, but whatever, they all knew what they filmed. So yeah, it could have been Tamara. It’s possible that Tamara got too big on herself, got messy and whatever. I just don’t see Tamara making such a rookie error where somebody would be able to tattle on her like that, like I don’t believe that piece of it. I don’t believe the blogger piece of it. I’m not gonna sit here and say that Tamara doesn’t talk to people that she hasn’t leaked. I’m not aware of it. If she has Listen, we’re in a very unique situation where we do have our send us tea anonymously. So when I say I don’t know if someone sent me something, I truly don’t know. Yeah, we get emails. They truly could be from anybody. I personally would never say who sends me stuff, because we’re doing this six years. And if I say who sends me stuff, why would anyone ever send me anything again? Like I see people posting DMS between them and Bravo liberties, or any other reality stars. And in my head, I’m like, if you’re a content creator who wants to continue to get the juice and post it, which is fun. Why would anyone send you stuff if you’re gonna post their DMS like I have had hostile exchanges with Bravo liberties, who were so rude and nasty and whatever, and I would never post it. Can’t remember. Freaking business. Nobody’s gonna send me anything. Yeah. So I just find it crazy. So I know that there are bloggers that do it, but it just, it doesn’t seem that camera would fall into that trap. It seems like that part of it was created by slut and encryption. That is new.
I think we got to look at just so they always say, follow the money. We have to look at who would stand to benefit from this happening at the you know this. Keep in mind this was happening after filming, so they somehow brought the cameras back. And the person who would stand to benefit the most would be Gretchen, in my mind. And then I think a couple of the other women, I don’t see Jen, doing this, maybe a couple of the other women would stand to benefit in some way. And I’m not saying that means that it was Gretchen and Slade. I’m just saying when you look at it, you follow the trail, you got to think about who would stand to benefit the most, and it would probably be her, although I have to say, Why is nobody asking if it was one of us?
Because people know that we would never do that
there wasn’t Listen, the only thing that ever has been posted for us has been posts from our website. But I we have never, I have never posted an exchange between me and a Bravo liberty. Nor would I ever whether I like the person or not. I just, first of all, I have to tell you the truth. I find it so tacky when people post DMS between people. I don’t know, I guess I’m old fashioned, first of all. And any of you guys who have ever sent me an ET, I never post without permission, right? So if you send me stuff, and you don’t know how hard it is, I get such good stuff sense sometimes, and they’re like, but you can’t tell anybody. See, like we have cocktails, who hook up with people. Sometimes they come to the zoom so again, if you’re a cocktail or come to the zooms and they talk about it, but they’re like, please don’t post it. I don’t want them to see it, and I get it, and I always respect the witches wishes. And there have been times where people are nasty and rude. And listen, it’s not that I don’t vent to my husband or call Amanda and be like or text it to her, and Amanda writes back, fuck them, but I’m not gonna post it for all 169,000 of our followers. That’s crazy, and that’s stupid, and it’s just it’s not appropriate.
I mean, I think this could be one of could be a two things are true. Could be true situation. Do I think that Tamara leaked things that happen behind the scenes to a blogger or to bloggers? Yes, I do. I think they all do. I think they all do. I do. I think it’s possible that Gretchen liked those posts. I mean, it’s possible, but I think it could have been an accident. And I actually thought her reaction at the time was like, if, I mean, if somebody said, Did you like a post from 2021 that talked about X, Y and Z, I’m sure you would have a minute of being like, Wait, hold on, a second. Wait, what? And it could have been, it could have been about that her does not honest, like her kind of going back in her memory. I don’t know. I think Gretchen is smarter than that to a certain extent. It’s really hard to say. There are so many twists and turns this whole thing. And then we got an email. So as you do, as we do, subject Tamara’s takedown, a lot of people are speculating the final moments of the Real Housewives of Orange County, final finale that painted Tamara in a bad light. The anonymous color wasn’t said, and it wasn’t Jeff Lewis. It actually was a credible source that was verified by production. At first it wasn’t going to be used, but the person gave Production loads of actual proof that couldn’t be used on the show because it pertained to contractual regulations, which gave producers all that they needed to know it was legit. So they decided to include the phone call in the finale. Tamara knows she was caught, because both production and the network came down hard on her after the person exposed her as being a major
league Okay, so here’s where it gets interesting, because then I get a message that says, the thing is, 32 flavors producers know exactly who Gretchen is. I the source. This is the source. The person messaging me unfollowed her years ago for posting hard, for posting this kind of content. It’s nothing new or even remotely shocking. They have wanted a conservative Christian voice to draw more from that OC Newport Beach demographic. Remember when even Gina and Emily supported a right wing Save the Children fundraising campaign, and Tamara has been doing this for years, bloggers, random people on Instagram. Remember when she helped people call in to Watch What Happens Live to humiliate Kelly? Remember when she sent a boob pic of Vicky, she’s been sloppy a lot, but the difference is production suddenly exposed it. That’s the only change. So why it seems like a way to send a message or get out of a contract? Tamara violated her non disclosure clause and is in breach of her contract. Katie got set up the same way for the same thing. Telling cast inside info was one thing Gretchen did this. Telling an outsider is a breach 32 flavors isn’t playing anymore. So this actually makes the most sense to me. No one is surprised that people leak. I don’t believe that Tamara would leak. I already went over that, so obviously, but it’s possible that she got cocky or pissed off. God knows she’s impulsive, right, hence quitting every five minutes. But it just seems to me that this long term relationship with this one blogger, and what’s in it for the blogger, because once you expose her, whether your voice is muffled or not, your name is going to get out, and no housewife is ever going to use you for anything again. And even if it doesn’t get out as publicly, all these housewives talk to each other, so I haven’t heard that Tamara’s out, but we have always heard when she came back that it was a three season contract. I think they do 20 big. So I, personally, I wasn’t. It’s not on my radar the Tamara gets cut. Yeah, I mean, it’s like a lot of season 20.
It’s, it’s a milestone for all of the house wave shows, not just Orange County. It’s a big deal.
So, right? And so people are wondering why Tamara, I mean, excuse me, Emily and Gina seemingly turned on Tamara so hard at because we haven’t seen the reunion yet, but we’ve heard, and I think they recognize Emily and Gina, that without Shannon, Tamara doesn’t really have anybody. Katie may or may not be back, and that’s a very weak ally. We know Tamara did not have a good reunion, so that’s not looking great. So if Emily and Gina turn on Tamara, Jen is not Jen and Tamara are not on good terms. Gretchen is most likely out regardless, Shannon certainly not standing with her. And truly think that Emily and Gina took this as an opportunity. Needed to try to get rid of Tamara. I mean, you have Heather there, but Heather’s friends with Tamara. But, yeah, I just, I think they keep Tamara for season 20. We know that Vicki will be back in some capacity as well.
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It would really shock me if Emily and Gina took this as an opportunity to get rid of Tama partially because Emily has multiple she’s been on 2t in a pod, many podcast under there, and then she has her own and like they but she’s been publicly an interview slamming Tamara, saying she believes cameras leaked to bloggers in this. So, yeah, I some something. Something fishy is definitely going on. Sometimes, when people get away with something, they do it again, and they do it again. They keep getting away with it, then they start to think they’re invincible, and that can make them sloppy. That’s true. So it could be the that Tamara did get sloppy. I don’t know. Like I said, 20th anniversary is huge. Does now really feel like the right time to get rid of Tamara? I don’t know. Does production use as more of as a this is your final warning kind of thing could be,
yeah, maybe it’ll be done with the leaking, blogging of it all, because that was their whole season. I think we can expect something coming from Tamara and Vicki. They’re talking. They’re both on the ads with Shannon, is what I’ve heard.
So oh, they Vicki is on the outs of Shannon too. I don’t know if it’s full
on outs, to be honest, because I don’t keep up with Vicki that much, but I think it is. I think it is. It’ll be gotta
see who does squash the beef. So
next week, after the reunion, maybe our opinions will change a little. I don’t know. I just I didn’t love this season. First we had the Alexis, then we had the Gretchen. I think we need to. I’ve been saying it all season they do 20 bacon. Pause that shit. Let’s go to San Diego,
or let’s go to Salt Lake City.
Yes, Salt Lake City is, oh my god.
It’s my favorite. It’s my favorite show in general, not just like my favorite reality TV. So Lisa Barlow just throws it out there on the yacht that Todd bronwyn’s husband made out with one of Lisa’s friends while farting the entire time. And she threw
it out there, but it’s something that apparently Lisa told her while they’re all sitting around,
yeah, yeah. And I gotta say, You posted this morning about visualizing this. I had to admit I had I visualized it too. So I guess you and I and our sick minds twin, as the kids say.
I mean, Lisa is so cooked this season. First of all, taking out the farting part, the fact that you’re saying that Todd goes around town just making out with hot women. What?
Yeah, she’s coming undone. She’s
coming undone. And like Angie, the way Angie said it. And then when they were on their excursion on land, and she was like, Listen, I’m sorry about what Lisa did to you, and Roman’s looking at her like, girl, you could have pulled me to the side and told me that I was totally caught off guard. She didn’t even say. She was just like, okay, wild.
And then, in more infidelity news, Brittany brings up a Tiktok talking about Seth. Have. Seeing Seth Meredith’s husband having a mistress. And Meredith, of course, jumps all over it and says, I am in a monogamous marriage. And then she says, your boyfriend, meaning Jared, breaks up with you whenever he just wants to sleep with someone else, yeah,
and you’re just jealous because you can’t hold a man down and you’re vile and you’re disgusting, and she’s and there’s stuff floating around on the internet about everybody’s husband, but I don’t bring it up. I mean, there’s so much of the Seth stuff, but I do, like anybody can make a Tiktok, of course, right? It just keeps coming up. But then it’s like, what came first the chicken or the egg? Do they just keep saying this, because it was said a long time ago, and then the more you say something, people start to believe it. But in the preview for next week’s episode, they are talking about how unhinged Meredith was screaming at Brittany on the flight home. And Meredith is talking to somebody who they don’t show who she’s talking to, and she says, Oh, if that was true, there would have been air Marshall waiting for me.
True. I mean, that is true. Actually screaming.
Have you ever been on a flight where someone was escorted off by cops?
No, but I have been on a fight where I was pretty sure I was sitting next to an Air Marshal. Oh, what is that like? How do you like, big dude, not on his phone, not like, That’s raw dog in the flight, as they call it, yeah, and, like, just, I just had this feeling, like, felt like he wasn’t, like, in a rush to go to the next place. You know what? I mean, he didn’t, well, wait. So is there an Air Marshal on every flight? No, did they do send them through, like, they send them on lots of flights as a way to, I think it’s like, a well known thing, right? I mean, bridesmaids, when Melissa, what’s her name? Like, you’re an Air Marshal. You’re an Air Marshal. And sure turns out, why are they there, though, to, like, in case something pops off. Yeah, I was like, Please patrol. Please patrol my street, not quite daily. And not because there’s anything wrong. It just is a way to show force. I guess
we recently were on a flight, not recently, but like whatever, in the last year. And the you know how, when you buy alcohol at duty free, they made the announcement like, you’re not allowed to consume any alcohol you purchased on a flight, right? So it was a few rows behind me, but apparently, according to word on the flight, once the people were escorted off, was this couple brought bought booze on the duty freight, and they were drinking it, and this the flight attendants asked them to stop, and they, like, refused, or whatever. And we heard a little bit of loudness when you’re in the air, and it’s like all the noise of whatever. I wasn’t really paying attention. I’m sure I had headphones in, but it wasn’t anything crazy, because I would have it wasn’t like people like out of their seats screaming and yelling, yeah, just like some loudness. So we stop, and they make some sort of announcement. Everyone stay seated. We’re having something. And where were you?
What were you? Was this in, within the US flight or No, I You said duty free. So was this coming us or leaving the US?
It may have been coming back from Bahamas last summer. Okay. Yeah, just curious. So they come out. So we’re landing in JFK, though, New York, so they come on the flight, and we’re like, Oh my God. And then the people like, get they must have been loaded. So apparently, what happened was they bought the slicker they refused to listen to the flight attendants. So I guess when you’re in the air, the flight attendants can contact the air marshals or the police, whatever, and they went, I guess, when they refused to stop consuming it to avoid an incident, they just stopped, telling them to stop, and the people just didn’t stop. And they were batshit, wasted and screaming and yelling and, like, screaming at the people. And I’m like, mind you. I mean, I got my kids with me, yeah, and they’re like, What is going on? It was actually really scary, because you realize in a moment like this, like, you’re in very close quarters. So we all are, yeah, if a fight would have really broken out, like, you gotta, like, duck, we were a few rows above, but so they had to, like, like, forcefully remove these people, because it’s very narrow. They couldn’t get the cuffs on. That was, like, a whole freaking thing. More officers came on, and then the weirdest thing was, as we were all disembarking, they were like, standing with them. Like, not they weren’t, like, the people weren’t still shouting at them, but like, we all, like, walked by them as they were being, like, coughed and everything.
Oh, weird you Yeah, they didn’t get escorted to a room or something.
Yeah. And I’m just, like, telling my kids that this is why you have to listen to the rules. They’re like, I mean, this seems extreme, wow.
I mean, but you think about it, right? Because when some people, some people are people who do get unruly when they pass too much, too much to drink. And I will tell you, like I have, I like a cocktail, but I, I am really pretty careful about drinking on planes. I like to go, well, the out to get a little loose, yeah, but I like to go to the club or whatever, and have the the airline club before, and have a drink or two, just because helps with my nerves. But yeah, I just, I’m, like, so scared if I have two drinks that I could get flagged, because you just never know I follow. To a girl I went to high school with who is on Instagram. She is a flight attendant, and she talks about stuff that has happened and that she has to call people on call and get people escorted off. And she talks about how they do keep an eye on and the reason there is that rule about not being able to drink your own liquor is because the flight attendants monitor how much people are drinking, and so ever since I knew about that, I’m like, I, and not that I was, like, getting loaded on flights before, but I’m like, I don’t, it’s just not worth it. Or if something else did happen and I had slower reaction times, what year was it? At you? Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly I. But I also feel, for me, like I’m the same. I have a drink or two before I get on, depending on if it’s a 6am flight, although I’ve been known to have a mimosa.
But I also feel like when I’m up in the air, a little bit of wine, like or a Tito’s goes a very long way, because of the attitude, right? So absolutely, yeah. Now these people were crazy, but that was my and I fly a few times a year, and I’ve never seen that, but it really, it was quite disturbing.
Yeah, that’ll stick with you, though. Then we hear Lisa sent to Mary Cosby about Meredith, not backing her up, which Mary then takes right to Meredith, because you’re not a good friend. Go jump in the ocean. I think you’re boring. Go find a good story you can tell, because right now you’re a snooze. I mean, listen to me, Meredith is a bore to me as well, however, and I love Mary. We all love Mary, but Mary is very fast to forget that Meredith was the only one when she came back to the show. She was the only one who really accepted her and showed her grace, and that was when Mary was getting a lot of heat for her church and the scandal surrounding it. She doesn’t even like Lisa, so Mary like no at Meredith herself. I don’t know. I didn’t mean to interrupt you. I feel like Mary’s anger is more not at Meredith so much as Meredith upholding this alliance that they clearly had, that she and Lisa clearly have, and that Meredith isn’t calling. I think she is. She’s more mad about that than I think she’s, like, really is like, that mad at Meredith for being boring? I think she’s just over it because she’s, we
have this, oh, yeah, just actually friends, right? Like, we’re not actually friends. You’re just going with this because you decided to be allies. She called it after being fake. Yeah, true. Good point. And then we see Angie and Heather warm up to Bronwyn now that they have the common enemy of Lisa, which is actually pretty funny, because it just happens immediately that they’re like all like key King, and they’ve never really been friendly with Bronwyn. I hear Angie even said in an interview. She said, one minute, you can tell someone that they’re sucking their way to the top, and the next day you’re texting them in reference to her friends, with her relationship with bro and when? Because the reality is they’re all turning on Lisa, so that the enemy of my enemy is my friend,
something like that. If you’re keep your enemies clear friends, close your enemies closer.
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I think my opinion, and you guys know, I really enjoy Heather gay. I think Heather’s hatred for Lisa is showing. I don’t think it was ever really hidden that Well, I don’t think Heather really had any deep beef with Bronwyn, but her Heather’s beef with Lisa has been miles deep, and I’m sure there’s a part of. Other. It really bothers her that Lisa has so many die hard fans. So I it, of course, it makes sense to me. I can see that you
know what you’ve said this theory to me before. I guys, I always forget what we say to each other and what we say on here. So don’t mind me, but I know that you feel this way. And I think the part that you just added about Lisa having because Lisa does have fans who don’t care how crazy or obnoxious she is. They love it. They ride for it. They let her be delusional. Yeah, and I think Heather’s generally liked, and people appreciate her on the show, but she doesn’t have that cult following, and I think she was, she’s a legend in her own mind, even the way she talks and lectures them, like, Yeah and like, talks about how they’ve been through so much together. You’ve been through a reality show together.
Relax, right, right? I think
I and I like Heather, I just find that she takes herself too seriously. Sometimes. Do you agree with that? I think she’s too traumatic
or her. I think she’s, I am the leader, and I think she takes that very seriously too.
Yeah, something about it, yeah, it doesn’t sit with me.
How do you feel about Lisa constantly talking about growing up in New York?
Okay, see, here’s the thing, and I don’t Okay. I can’t wait to hear what you say, and I don’t want to offend. Listen to me. Okay, I love upstate New York. You understand? I got to college in upstate New York. I go there on weekends. It’s a lovely place to vacation when you want to get out of New York City. Okay? So when you say you’re from New York, people assume you’re from one of the five boroughs. They include Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten, Italy, as we call it. They do not include Schenectady, which is where I believe she’s from, and which is a lovely area of upstate New York. It’s like when you’re from Long Island, if you ask one of my friends, I have a lot of friends in Long Island, a lot of people from the boroughs. When they leave the city, they move to Long Island, they move to Westchester, they move to Jersey. They say, I live on Long Island. Or, let’s say you’re out of state, they say, I’m from New York. I live on Long Island. Yeah. People say to me, where are you from? I say New York City, because I live in a borough. So I Lisa is definitely saying with the intent, but it’s, it’s like living in, see, it’s, I don’t know if I can compare it to California, because if I say I’m from California, there’s so many different places, but I don’t know cocktails, you let me know. I just know that as a New Yorker, like New Jersey, you just say you’re from New Jersey, and then people say, what part? But in New York, you say I’m from New York, and then you say the part you’re from. If you are from the city proper, you could just say, I’m from New York. If you’re from somewhere else, you have to say, I even feel like when people say to me, Oh, you’re from the city, I tell them what borough I’m from, because the city implies Manhattan, and I’m not from Manhattan.
I mean, I grew up nowhere near New York. I live nowhere near you New York. If I said, I mean, I’m, I know this, right? If I said I’m going to New York this weekend, the assumption would be New York City, not Buffalo. And I mean, right, it’s a buffalo because, listen, I was there last year, and it’s gorgeous.
Our love. Larry Bravo by gaze is from Buffalo. And guess what? He tells people, I’m from Buffalo, New York. And no shade to our queen page. Happy belated birthday. Yes, she is on vacation with Joe demilio Because they both posted matching palm trees yesterday. I don’t know exactly where, but good for them. She says she’s from New York. She’s from upstate New York. And Lindsay, if you remember, called her out on and she was like, Yeah, I am from Albany, and I’m proud of it. Yeah, because, yeah, because Lindsay always got heat, because they all listen. Nobody on that cast. Not nobody. I believe that Danielle is from the city, Carl’s from Pittsburgh, Kyle’s from Vermont, tulas from Jersey or new Oh. Burner is from Long Island. She grew up in Brooklyn. I think, Oh, wait, you’re right. Excuse me, you’re right. She grew up in Brooklyn, but I think she had a life in Shelter Island, though. Yeah, I listen to her. I think she moved out of Brooklyn when she was in like, fifth or sixth grade, but whatever she did live in Brooklyn. I think I could be wrong. I could be wrong. Let me know if I’m wrong. I don’t think she went to high school in New York City. I could be wrong. I could be wrong Anywho.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter, Lisa, trying to make yourself sound tough, I say just now York is I’m like, I just have been dying to ask you this all week,
yeah, no. Like, I love all of New York, so I just letting you know it’s just
not same. Had a lovely weekend in upstate New York last September. The leaves were already starting beautiful. We flew in and out of buffalo engine had a sports tournament
hour maybe away. So it was upstate, and it was absolutely gorgeous. We saw Niagara Falls, yes, so they’re gorgeous Niagara. And that’s, yeah, Buffalo is from me. That’s eight and a half hours. Yeah, yeah. It’s but right, the lake is so beautiful. It’s gorgeous. Oh, it’s gorgeous. Yeah, upstate New York is absolutely gorgeous,
very hilly and very it was gorgeous.
So and I could live there. I’m not shading it. I’m just saying it’s a wonderful place to live. Yeah, yeah, yeah, makes sense. All right, guys, we love you.
We do. Let’s get pumped up for bravocon. Everybody can’t wait
I and I am Manning my DMs because I need to get an eye exam, waking up in the middle of my night, the night, and checking my phone for these DMS, I swear I see so blurry. I used to have 2020
vision Me too, I’m saying, but mine is more like trying to dry it at night, is I now have, like, glasses in my car for driving.
I don’t have glasses, but you wear glasses normally. No, oh, no.
I just, I went to the eye doctor, and they’re like, you’re not really showing of an issue, but we understand, we know what it’s like, and so they give me this, like, little slight prescription. Or does it help? But I’m not having the issue like yet, where you have to put my phone really far away, like, I’m not having that, the getting older issue like that. It’s, I think it’s more I think I’m getting, like a stick I’m self diagnosing as getting astigmatism from looking a screen all day too,
and looking at screens all day. And these new cars, the lights are so damn bright.
Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, we’re old.
We sound like old ladies. I’m gonna earn it now.
I’m just tired, which my eyes are tired, my bones hurt. We love you guys. Bye.