146. Double Dip Episode: The Becky Minkoff interview: You might see her a little differently. Plus, tea with Tracy on the future of RHONJ and Potomac

B is out of town on vacation this week – so, in her place, we have two guests. First off, Amanda interviews Becky Minkoff. Becky was forthright and honest, and answers all the questions…and yes, we we went there and discussed the situation with the influencer and the unpaid bills. What was really going on with Erin at the reunion? Hint: It had to do with THE PRANK. What did Becky love/dislike about Housewives? If she ever considered going back, which castmates would she want (and not want) to be there. Don’t miss out – we have a feeling you might see her a little differently after you hear this interview. And, we round out the pod with a little tea with Tracy about what our inside sources are telling us about RHONJ, and Amanda puts her on the spot about what is really going on with TJ and Stacy. 

Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tea. We chat reality TV celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from Bravo and cocktails.com and as always, is all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’m B and I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tea.
Hi cocktailers. Welcome to cocktails and gossip. So you’re just hearing my voice right now, because B is not here today. She’s on vacation. So I just wanted to let you know that we have a very, very special guest instead. So we are very excited to welcome Becky Minkoff, fashion designer, entrepreneur, content creator, and, of course, cast member of the most recent season of Roni. Hi, Becky, hello. How are you so great? We’re so glad that you could join us and we’re getting a chance to chat. Let’s do it. Let’s dive into all the things. Okay, so first of all, when we heard that your name was announced as being on the cast last year. I know b and I were very familiar. I think of you as a household name, at least for smart, fashionable women for years and years. Can you tell us why you decided to throw your name in the ring for housewives? I think the thing that really got me thinking about it, there was a few reasons. One of the first things we did was be in front of our consumer and talk to her as early as 2005
we were not above her. We were we were bringing her into this journey as I was, the same age in sex as my customer. And so it wasn’t this transactional relationship. It was like, I’m your friend, and anytime technology has.
Allowed us to continue that dialog. We would jump at the chance, whether it was social media, which, you know, we were first, you know, to try, or crowdsourcing all the ways that we’ve engaged our customer over the years. So when I was looking at the demographic of the people that watch it, all my friends, all these women I admire and love, they love these franchises, they love the show, and I thought this is a way for me to deepen my relationship. I know it’s been said in the press. I only did it for business. That is not the only reason it was to deeper connection. I was also under the impression, from what was pitched to me, that this was going to be a reboot. It was going to be fun, funny, with a little bit of drama, but really showcasing women doing incredible things. And I thought, wow, that would be a really cool thing to have out there eight amazing self made women having our Sex in the City life like that. Sounds fucking fun, absolutely. So that was under the premise that I said, Okay, great. I get to deepen my relationship with my consumer. Yes, of course, it’s great for business. And wow, this could be a really great place where people can, like, see successful women doing awesome stuff, absolutely. So at what point did you realize that maybe things were a little different than you had hoped they would be? Well, what I wanted to get off the roller coaster, and I couldn’t, was probably there, you know, I was as a friend of I was at all cast events and a couple of isolated there was maybe five or 10 smaller things that I was at. And, you know, I would see and feel the building of the drama. And I was like, oh, okay, it’s not gonna be fun and funny. There’s no fun and funny here. This is gonna just be dramatic, and then at that, you know, at that moment, and what I had told producers, I said, I’m not going to change who I am to be on the show, and I’m not going to fight because that’s not how I resolve conflicts, and I’m not going to throw other women under the bus, because I want to empower them. So if you don’t want that, that is totally okay, and I respect your decision. And it was like, we don’t need that from you. We don’t. And I was like, okay, great, then let’s do it. So it was probably the second or third dramatic scene that you’re just like, oh, okay, well, here we go. Let’s, let’s just get out of this alive. Yeah. And then you find yourself in all of these other on these trips. And I can only imagine when you’re in that situation, that you’re feeling like this is not what, definitely not what I signed up for, but also something you’re not comfortable with doing, because you’re I really do see your brand as empowering women, especially entrepreneurs. And before we got started recording today. I was chatting with you about how interesting I find it that you have so many facets, even if you look on different platforms. You know, I was saying the content that you put out on LinkedIn, you know, talking about your with your newsletter, and, you know, much more professional content there towards Instagram and all of that, and then everything you’re doing through female Founder Collective, which is, and you can talk about this as well, that essentially is an organization that’s meant to empower women entrepreneurs. I’m just really curious, like, how did you feel like your experience lined up with this empowerment brand, knowing that pretty early on, you were like, wait a second, this isn’t what I signed up for. So I think that, I mean, clearly, it was all edited out, but I think each time the situation was escalating, I was trying to defuse it, you know. I think, for instance, when Brynn and Uber were first arguing in the Hamptons, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let’s step back. Everybody like, let’s, you know, let everyone finish speaking. And do we need to go for a walk? And I could feel that every time I did that at, you know, whether it was cast and or production, like, no one wanted me to solve the problem. And so for me, I was like, okay, cool, that that’s not wanted here. I’m just gonna say my opinion and and leave it or towards the end in Hamptons, if they could just show you the hours of footage of me cooking for everybody. Because I was like, All right, we have toddlers. I know with my children, they’re either tired or hungry, so let me feed them. So I was in the kitchen, like cooking is like, Okay, I can’t defuse the situation. No one wants that. But here I’m going to serve. So I think that with all the facets that you explained, I try on each platform to give people what they come to that platform for, right? So you’re coming to LinkedIn for business reasons. So let me share with you the nightmare scenarios that women you love and admire have gone through, and also showcase and share women who you’ve never heard of in their nightmares, and maybe you get interested in their business and you want to support them, because I think LinkedIn is really about business, right? And, you know, and then my personal Instagram is, of course, about the brand, but it’s about other stuff I love. It’s about, you know, my family, my workout program, my book, like my podcast. So I think each time you go to a different platform, you’re gonna get a slice of this pie that adds up to the whole of me. And then I.
Think as you compare that to, you know, who I was distilled down to on Roni you didn’t really get any pie. You got, like, someone’s edit of a storyline or an arc that they had. And I think that I would say the closest I was to who I am within that show is probably when I’m telling these off color stories and I’m laughing at myself like I’m not a serious person, and I didn’t think any of the stories I told were that crazy, but maybe other people did. But the humorous side of me, I guess, is maybe the closest you got a sense of from the show you mentioned editing and storylines. And I’m really curious if there was a discussion with production about what parts of your professional life you wanted to talk about on screen, and which you wouldn’t, because it does, at least from knowing what I know about you, I remember ever hearing you talk on Roni about the work that you do through the female Founder Collective, and you know, the work that you do empowering female entrepreneurs. Because I would, I watched the show thinking, if I were brain, I would have done a little less eye rolling and a little more listening when you came in the room. So we actually here’s, here’s. What was really crazy to me is Jaisal and I planned this incredible female Founder Collective event. We had 30 of some of the most incredible women in fashion there, from designers to creators, and we filmed probably for three hours, no drama happened. It was incredible. Gone, not shown Uber. And I did an event with Melissa wood, tepperberg and Fern malice at Museum of ice cream. It was so fucking funny and amazing and inspiring. Gone. We shot with my daughter this part of this photo shoot, an ad campaign, and you got to see our interactions and our dynamic gone dinner with me, Jenna Raquel and Jessel, talking about couples. And like, you got a flashback to that moment, but so many funny stories were told that night. And I’m just like, I did share now. Like, I’m like, it was all there. So that’s what I sort of go like, I’m not sure, like, who I did dirty to get the Edit I got, but I didn’t have a conversation with production. I was literally like, what else do you want of me? Like, I’m here for it. The only thing I’m not gonna show you, and it was not my choice, was my husband was very injured about a week before we started filming, and he said, I’m not gonna come on TV in a wheelchair, but you can get a FaceTime with me. And so that was the only thing that kind of became off limits, was he just didn’t want to go on screen in a wheelchair. And that was it. Everything else was fucking fair game, I mean, and understandably so, I can understand why your husband would feel that way. I don’t know if, bravo, if you’re listening, we’d love to see those scenes, at least I would. They’re all there. If other people would,
maybe they’ll cut to flashbacks, except they’d have to get my agreement. I guess I don’t know. I don’t know how that works, to be honest. Yeah, so for the people who might only have known or seen you through the lens of Real Housewives of New York, what do you want to tell people about who you are that we haven’t seen on screen. I think that I can appreciate what people need to do to create a story. Do I always agree with their creative license? Definitely not. But I’m I’m a very vocal, strong, fun, funny, too, nice, and I guess that’s boring to people person, and that that I did speak my mind, and I did participate, and I it’s just a shame, because I thought it’d be fun for people to see who I really was. And it became like, Oh God, please don’t watch that, because that’s not, that’s not who I am, if that makes sense. No, I definitely think so. And it seems like, Come, you know, watching the show, and having watched the season before, there was kind of a slot for Jessel, right, who is who’s funny, but not always intentionally So, and Brynn, who’s funny, and honey and flirty. And I’m just wondering if maybe the it didn’t feel like there was another spot for the humorous side of you. Yeah. And I also think that I don’t know that being a friend of helped me, because what I learned, and I guess my bad on not asking more questions when I went from full cast member to friend of you know, I literally said, What’s the difference? And they said, you know, we stop at your front door and you’re not part of the like main cast shoots. If I would have known that Raquel needs a certain amount of air time as a new cast member for you to get to know her, so you’re gonna get in her backstory and her marriage and her relationship, and you get to know her. But as a friend of they don’t have the time to do that, right? I maybe I wouldn’t have done it because I was like, Well, if you’re not going to get to know me and I’m just there for like, the Kathy Hilton funny remarks, or the weird remarks, or whatever, like, Huh? You know, maybe that’s not the opportunity. I think this is right. I can see that. So at the reunion, we saw that there was a.
Lot of tension with you, and Erin and B and I kind of talked about this, and felt like there was maybe more into the situation. Is that the case. Can you share with us a little more about that? Yeah, so Erin was dealing with her father’s death, I want to say, around August, September, in which I was very much doing what I felt I should do without crossing boundaries and being annoying, sending her this poem that didn’t matter, checking in on her that dialog continued through into November. We hung out, even right after Halloween, we were hanging out. And then I guess things devolved when she went to bravocon, the Mini bravocon in Miami, I think, in November. She distanced herself from the prank, which I’m happy to take full ownership of something I’m a big girl. But I thought it was weird that it was like we literally did it together. She chimed in with ideas. We have, I have text messages of us talking about it and planning it, and production knew about it. This wasn’t like some secret thing. And I was like, that’s weird, that she’s basically saying she has nothing to do with it. And so I sent a note saying, Thanks, you know, I think they showed it at the reunion, you know, thanks for sending me this push it, putting me in front of the fast moving bus. Then she said, This is meant for a phone call and, you know, not a text. So I thought she meant call her right now. So I called her. I didn’t realize she was about to go back on stage. So we had a very heated exchange that had nothing to do with that prank. What I didn’t know is, at that time, she was also dealing with the emotions of a of a someone really close to you that had passed so I think, I think she was probably targeting me, even though it wasn’t me, I was literally just like, why would you disassociate from this thing we did together? And then, as a retaliation, she went on stage again and then did the whole like, No, I don’t wear it. It’s gifted or whatever. And so when Tuesday came around, and the episodes, we get them on Mondays, and so I didn’t check in with her when it was the episode that was the dedication to her dad, right
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because I was like this woman just trashed my friend like I thought you were my friend. You trash me on the weekend, you distance yourself and make fun of my brand I actually was there for you when your father did pass. I just didn’t I didn’t feel like that’s what friends do to each other. To be honest, I didn’t realize how much that hurt her, that I didn’t check in and she expected me to. I knew something was afoot when I saw her in the hallway and she wouldn’t speak to me before we went on, and then I got what you saw, and it was all news to me that it was like, this is the end of the friendship, right? Because you and Aaron were were friends before. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we’ve been hanging out for the like, since September the year prior, and, you know, we had spent a lot of our summer together. We live, about a mile from each other. And so I was just like, whoa. I was not expecting that. Or if you were upset, why didn’t you tell me, instead of saving it for the reunion, where this is, like, a very public situation that you’re just gonna, like, drop the bomb on me, you know, right? And there was an opportunity to discuss, but also resolve. And I don’t feel like you guys got there, we did not get there, because I think I’m not sure what occurred or what I walked into, clearly, like the whole brand situation was tense, but like there was no it’s almost like I didn’t get a chance to get a word in, and the next question will be asked before we could resolve anything like, I was shocked that Andy, like, almost started it off with, Hey, you and Brynn are good, right? Because I was ready to go there. So I mean, what would you have said in that situation, had he asked that question? Or what would you like to say about that? Now, you mean, with Bryn, with Bryn, that you seem to, you seem to be someone who says that they’re an expert in PR. How’s that going for you? Now, you know you, of all of us, could have actually turned our relationship into, like, let me learn from someone who has figured out success. Or I’m not saying I’m like, Oh, I’m the Oracle, and you’re gonna learn all from me. But like, you picked the wrong person to make an enemy, and you just look stupid for it. Why would you do that? And I, and actually I did nothing to you, like this happened before we even had a chance to connect. And I just think it was a big mistake on her part. Yeah, it’s it really was shocking to me, especially with her being an entrepreneur, her entrepreneur as well, that she didn’t show some, maybe just some deference to the experience you’ve had and the you know, even if it’s just selfishly, the connections that you have and and all of that, it was interesting to me. I think that deep down, she felt like, Ooh, this is gonna make great TV. I’m gonna go fight with Rebecca. And when I was like, oh, Sis, I’m not fighting with you, like, this is not worth my time. I think that drove her crazy. And so I think you can see all season and more stuff that happened, not on camera, that I was like, No, not today, not gonna you don’t get you don’t get this part of me. And so I think it evolved from there. What? Yeah, you wouldn’t take the bait. I would not take the bait. And and it was interesting when I would read like, people would say, Oh, she’s not standing up for herself. I’m like, actually, we need to reframe this, because I don’t even need to engage. It’s actually a waste of my energy to engage with this bullshit, right? I’m glad that you’re getting a chance to say that right now, because it did look you didn’t really get a chance to stand up for yourself or didn’t take it. Yeah, it did look like that. And there were, there were times before that dinner where I had actually already, I had already, I don’t know if I’m allowed to say this, I had already confronted her about it at Aaron’s men’s club event. I was like, why are you talking shit about me? Why are you doing that? You don’t even know me. So it wasn’t like that conversation was new, right? But alas, alas, and you’re getting into.
Us to come here and tell your site as well, which is, is good. So do you have any things that you know you really enjoyed and that you really loved about the experience of being on Roni I think there were a ton. I feel grateful that I get to be friends with Uber and Jessel. I think it was, it was a wild experience to have, like to go on this journey when you’ve achieved a certain level of people know you for one thing, and then I think at the time again, oh, they’ll get to see this other side of me. How fun will that be? I got to play dress up a lot, which was great. And we got to do some really fun things, whether it was the tennis classes, or we did this kickboxing class that, or a self defense class you don’t see. Or we got to, you know, go to Puerto Rico, which was gorgeous, even though the trip itself was a, you know, a nightmare. So there were definitely fun parts of it, and some of the crew is really, they’re really great people. And it wasn’t all terrible.
Were there any things that you would say were maybe your least favorite that you haven’t shared already. I think that as dark as the finale was, nothing captures on camera how much darker it was, and that was just sad. Like when I left the hot tub, I literally said I didn’t fucking sign up for this shit because I was so are we real? Are we really doing is this what we’re gonna do right now. Like, I was just like, oh gosh, yeah, and then you’re rewarded for it with the most views. So this sick cycle, right? So I would say that wasn’t the high of the time. Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, if you were to consider coming back, what would need to happen, or who would need to be on the cast for you to consider returning? Oh, whoa.
We can move on if, if that’s a question that you’re not prepared to answer, I think that things that I would ask for to come back would would never happen. You know, definitely some public apologies by certain people. I would not come back if Brynn was on it. I do think she’s great for TV. So we’ll see what happens there. And I think that the people that told me this was gonna be something different would have to give me, I don’t know, proof that it’s supposed to be different, right? But I think that it’s clearly too late, and I think I have other ideas and projects that will show women in a positive light that I’m already working on. I know these two things take years to get through, but I have some bright opportunities of ways that you can have entertainment, you can showcase women. You can showcase having fun. It doesn’t all have to be about drama. Absolutely, I will tell you too. Just being a business owner myself, I lean very heavily on other women business owners for advice, for I just need a kick in the butt to get started on this project, like all different kinds of things, I think there is so much room, because there’s, as you and I both know, there’s so much more of the Women Helping Women than the women tearing people down. You know that should be highlighted? Yeah, I don’t think you know. The interesting part is, when I put up my statement, the amount of women that replied in the comments like we are. We want to see Women Helping Women, and we want to see women doing well. We wish Bravo would show us this. I think women in America and beyond actually want to see that. And there’s a if you’re a smart production company or producer, there’s an incredible way to showcase that. Just take Paris and Nicole Richie like you were so entertained by them, and they didn’t fight, right? They definitely complemented each other really well. And some of the favorite moments, I think, on the house five shows are when they’re when everyone’s laughing and having a good time, or celebrating one of the women for a new business or an accomplishment. You know, most recently I could think of on Beverly Hills when they were doing the lantern launch, and it was so windy, it just the whole situation just went to crap. But it was so they were all laughing so hard you couldn’t also not laugh so hard at the situation. And that’s, that’s the fun side that I think everybody would like to see more.
Yeah, I just think that it’s infectious, right? And like you can have, and I also think there’s enough drama, real drama, in all of our lives that you could show that without having it be a women fighting, you know, you can have the drama of, I’m working too much. I’m missing my kids performance, or, you know, my Mezcal loom order. You know, the glass broke everywhere. And what are we going to do? Like, there’s definitely, if you if you seek it out, we are not all living happy, perfect lives all the time. And that could be where you get your interest in. Like, oh my god. How they going to pull through? If that makes sense, right? I definitely agree. So if you think of this as kind of an opera.
To have a last word so to speak. What else would you like to say just about this whole experience? And you know, you didn’t have a lot of an opportunity to say much at all on the reunion. No, no, I didn’t. This is what I would say. I know everyone is tired of this prank, but I do want to just talk through the thought process and my naivety in going in, which was the idea was to show the girls who Bryn was. I knew who she was by that time, everyone else seemed to believe all her bullshit, and it was causing a lot of problems. And so it was really not like, this is a prank we’re gonna play on the audience. It was, this is what we’re gonna do to show everyone what she does. Production knew about this. They were laughing. They thought it was fantastic. So for me, as the naive little lamb getting sent out to slaughter, I go, Oh, the audience is gonna be in on this. We’re not tricking them. We’re tricking Brynn. Then everyone’s gonna wake up to her lies and we can stop fighting about dumb shit, because she’s she creates it. So it was just odd that it was like, Oh, wait, it’s all my fault that everyone was tricked, like I didn’t edit it that way. I wasn’t the executive producer who saw it and then said, I hate pranks. Do you know what I mean? So I was just like, Huh? That’s that didn’t turn out as I expected. And I can guarantee you, if the audience had been brought in on it, and it wasn’t called a prank, it was more of like a, let’s find the liar. Like, I think people would have appreciated it in a different way. I could be wrong. Would you say that the point where things went left was that Erin told Bryn what was going? Oh, 100% that didn’t help. It made the whole thing pointless, basically. And I would also say, and something I didn’t get to say to Erin, like, if you knew that this was leading me down a bad path, why did you do it, you know, why did you participate in it? You know, like Jessel shared on a podcast recently with Tinks, if I had brought that to Jaisal, she would have been like, this is a bad idea, and it’s gonna bite you in the ass. And so why wouldn’t a real friend and or a veteran of these experiences be like, Ooh, no, let’s not do that. That doesn’t make sense. Such a good point. So before we kind of wrap, I definitely want to hear we want to hear about, you know what you’re doing now, but what do you see as the future for you? What’s next? I think it’s really doubling down on everything you’ve seen come out since I quit. I’m definitely really pushing my book fearless. It is not some book you read and then you’re instantly fear free. It’s 22 rules that I’ve wear, tested over and over again, that you’re still scared, but you take that leap anyways, whether it’s career relationship, you know, moving up in corporate America. And then I have my podcast, which I get to interview tons of incredible entrepreneurs. It’s working at female Founder Collective, and all the events and education we give to women who really start their careers with a passion, but then they have that oh shit moment of like, I didn’t know I had to know that, so we kind of bridged that gap. There’s so many of those. Do you know I still have them? So many still have them. I’m still looking at contracts, and I’m like, I have no idea what this says. And does it matter? I don’t know I’m gonna sign it.
I can only imagine. I mean, just like even things like filing your company’s quarterly updates with your Secretary of State, oh yes, all kinds of just, just little things that are annoying as crap. So annoying figure out, so annoying you have to do. I know I like, I took some financial advice from Instagram. I was like, Oh, great. I can pay my kids up to $12,000 per year. And then I told my bookkeeper. She’s like, Yeah, you have to put them on payroll. Like, you can’t. They’re not 1090 nines. I was like, oh, cool, cool. I wish someone would have told me that before I, like, started paying my children for no reason.
That’s really funny.
Well, your book is called fearless. It’s available at Amazon and probably all other book bookstores as well. Yeah, it’s Barnes and Noble. It’s target. If you want to seek out women owned bookstores, there’s a great one called Cities bookstore, but yeah, and I think it’s, it’s not just throwing you. It’s told through actual, real, cringe worthy experiences that happened to me, and what I learned in those moments that you’re like, oh my god, I can’t believe she’s sharing this. That makes me really well, I’ll send it to you. We have that. We both love that, and then we know we can follow you on at Becky Minkoff on Instagram, and then your and then also your Rebecca at Rebecca Minkoff account is your fashion, yeah. And then Tiktok is at Rebecca Minkoff. And that’s kind of a mixture of both. It’s some brand, but it’s also like dumb videos and just having fun. And then your podcast is called.
Super women with Rebecca Minkoff, that’s wonderful. Well, thank you so much for coming on to cocktails and gossip. You know, there was one other thing that, and I didn’t meet. I actually had this in my notes that I wanted to ask if you would like to share. We had reshared something on Instagram about an influencer, oh, Catherine who, yeah, yeah, yes, who had said that you didn’t pay as agreed for a campaign. And I know you reached out to be on Instagram to clarify, and we love to try to share both sides. Is that something you would want to talk about? What happened? Yeah, well, the latest update is she and I are in touch. I got the invoices from her. Then I reached out to the agency, and I just got the answer today. Do I pay her? Do I pay the agency? She doesn’t even know this yet, and then we’re going to be taking care of it as soon as humanly possible. The difficulty being the current owners of my company did not acquire this makes sense. We sold the company in 2022 they don’t like to pay for things that weren’t bills that that they didn’t have. That makes sense. Yeah, sure that wasn’t a liability on their books when they bought corrupt company, yes. So yeah, I’m going to be taking care of it. I just have to work that out. And what happened is, I’m sure you as a business owner, know, sometimes you get behind sometimes, you know, just to give you big examples, and again, I’m not trying to say woe is me by any stretch of the imagination. We had a department store that that year not pay us $400,000
and they went bankrupt, and it was like good luck. And so when, when you have that kind of stuff happen, it’s a ripple effect. You don’t get paid. You have people that owe you money, then you get slowed down on payments, I think, with her timing, with owing her the bill, and then COVID happening, and then my business plummeting by 70% it was like the rug was ripped out. You know, we were just trying to, like, pay for our website to keep going at certain moments. So it’s no excuse.
I am by no means perfect, but I think when you understand the ebbs and flows of business, that that stuff, unfortunately can happen, and I’m going to be rectifying it with her and agency, it just might not, you know, it’s not gonna happen tomorrow, but it’s gonna, it’s gonna happen. I mean, I think that’s that’s fantastic, and myself as a business owner, I definitely can see how that would happen. And something for those of you guys listening, who you guys might not know this, but especially brands and Becky, you can speak to this way better than I can, but there’s a lot of large outlays of cash that you’re having to do just to get your materials or get, you know, buckles sourced from, you know, whoever your supplier is, and you’re putting all that out before, you’re not seeing sales on those products for 689, months, 15 months, yeah, and so there can often be a really big deficit In your budget while you’re waiting to get paid for the things you’ve already invested in as a brand. Yeah, and I think you could probably interview 100 different founders, and everyone has or entrepreneurs, business owners, and everyone has been on both sides of that coin. And again, unacceptable, but it happened, and I’m working really hard to figure it out with her and get her sorted out and fix it, because I don’t like stuff like that. And again, like, people are like, How did I not know about this? Well, I had a CFO, I was running a brand, and I don’t, I don’t check all the bills. Do you know what I mean? Like, I also am not looking at, like, if, if I were to look at the accounts payable or accounts receivable, or have any say in that arena in terms of, like, how to structure things like that is not stuff I’m admittedly not good at. You know, I’m good at creation design, so someone else was looking at it and it got missed, right? And smart business owners build a team around them to with experts on the things that maybe they aren’t as good at or they don’t like doing So yet again, that’s a you know, I can 100% see where that is, but I think I also respect the heck out of the fact that you are working to rectify that. So thank you for sharing that story with us, and thanks for being on cocktails and gossip. Thanks for having me. Is there anything that I should have shared that I didn’t, since this is the last word, I’m I’m sun setting, my Roni, my Roni talking points. So with we know, we get a lot of Intel into what’s going on behind the scenes. And we’ve been hearing that there’s still casting things going on for Roni, that nothing is really set. Whose story would you, besides your own, which I know you have made the choice to not share that on that platform anymore? But who else’s story? Or what other facets of these other women’s lives? Are you thinking that we might want to see more of or that we should see more.
Out that maybe we haven’t gotten to yet, and you don’t have to name names. Yeah. I mean, I really am interested. I guess each woman I have a different interest. I would really love to understand from Raquel. Like, what makes good art versus bad? There was a scene not in the in it, where we go to my new house that I purchased near Aaron’s, and I’m like, Oh, my God, Raquel, I’m mortified. All the art is, like, stuff I bought ’em artsy.com or whatever. Like, please don’t judge me. But I wouldn’t even know what makes that good or not. Other than, Oh, I like that. You know, I’d love to understand her process. I’d love to see more about Psy and being a creator. People think you just take a fucking pretty picture. It is so much work. So like, how does she decide what partnership to take. Why? How much time you know, what’s her team like? There could be a whole almost like Rachel Zoe interaction with her and her team that would I would love to see, I think, what Jenna’s doing now with her advising of these brands. I would love to see what it’s like to take a brand and build it and brand the company. I said to Jessel, I was like, you should have your own show, and it should be called Jessel and the city and like, Let’s just follow you and your fucking fabulous life and your crazy kids, and then Uber if she was willing to share all of her, you know, what’s that like? How is she sort of shaping her new model, you know, not her new model, her modeling career. So I just think there’s so much interesting stuff that I’m like, oh my god, let’s show that. Yeah, I completely agree, the Mercedes Benz dream days are back with offers on vehicles like the 2020 5e Class C le coupe, C class and EQE sedan. Hurry and now through July 31 visit your local authorized dealer or learn more at MB usa.com/dream
I’ve been really curious, actually, with Jenna about her son, because I am divorced, and my children also live with their dad, and they go back and forth. And that, to me, is something I would be really interested to understand more about how that’s worked. And you know, you obviously don’t want to get into any situation where you’re giving away information that you you know, that your child doesn’t want, but just, you know, even just understanding like, oh, like, I miss them when they’re gone, or, you know, I’m having to negotiate an extra dinner, or trying to see him more before he leaves for college, and just understanding more of that story, I agree would be really and don’t we all want to know what Bryn does. Wouldn’t it be cool to see what her work actually is? I mean, talk about like I got shit for not sharing. We don’t. I still don’t know what she does. So it’s like, I’d love to see what that is and how she works. Yeah, I agree. I think I felt like the explanation she gave on the show last year was sufficient. I think I understood. You know that, essentially, she’s a marketer, and she she helps brands and creators with ideas and relationships and that sort of thing. But we know that she’s doing this app, and it’s a dating app, but it would be interesting to see more of that. I agree with you. It did definitely feel like, even though she did explain it last season, maybe she could have realized that there are still a lot of questions and that she could show more. Yeah. I mean, even if you look at like, what does it take to bring a product to life? So she mentioned in one of the episodes she worked with my husband 100 years ago on, I don’t know, is Neutrogena or something like, what’s that like to do the photo shoot, bring it to light, concept it, bring it to market. You can, you can still show an exciting part of that, if that’s what you’re shooting for brands, absolutely, to show the concept on paper, and then what it looks like to come to life is one of the most fun parts of looking back at marketing and success is is showing where the germ of an idea, kind of the root of an idea came. I completely agree with you on that. Well maybe, maybe someone at Bravo is listening, and they’ll, they’ll take all these ideas, and we’ll get to, we’ll get to enjoy it. We, we definitely hope so, because we have pretty much weekly suggestions to them here on call? Have they ever taken them and you’re like, yes, that was my idea.
Let me think about this. There have been casting choices or discontinuation of casting that we have kind of talked about, but I think, I think often our opinions are, where a lot of we don’t always agree on everything, but I think a lot of viewers feel the same way, like, for example, bringing Tamara back, bringing Gretchen back on OC there were definitely two things that we had talked about quite a bit, but I think a lot of the I think a lot of the viewers felt the same way. So are you happy that Gretchen is coming back?
I have not always been the biggest Gretchen fan, but I think it’s gonna be great TV. What do you think? Well, since you like to gossip, I just think it’s gonna I mean, speaking from someone who I know, who’s on the show like they’re.
Or, you know, feelings about it. And if what has been done to some of these people is true, like you are just you are setting something up to explode. But I’m sure that makes incredible TV. So I see why it was done. But I also sometimes feel like, what’s too far, you know, but maybe in TV land, in reality TV Land, nothing is too far. I don’t know. That’s the lesson I learned. Nothing is too far. No one is safe. I’ll tell you that much. Yeah, I’ve spoken to a lot of the women from many of the franchises. I’m like, You’re the queen. They did what to you? And I’m like, Well, I guess I, you know, I don’t feel so bad for what happened to me, because they did it to their their queen, you know, yeah, I think bringing Gretchen back is purposely to create drama, and that’s pretty much the same reason. Makes total sense. Yeah, I would agree with you. I would agree with you on that. And, you know, I think it says a lot about you to come and with humility and talk about this and not in a defensive way. And just to say, this is where I thought we were going to be, this is where we ended up being. This is how I reacted, but this is how it was shown. It’s it’s really good to hear more about your story and your experience and how all this well. Thank you for allowing me to share it. You know, there, there are definitely platforms that I don’t trust to share it on, and I felt comfortable with you and be and you guys have been incredibly warm, and you know, also like calling me out on anything that you saw. So I’m glad you know your listeners get to hear potentially a different side of the story. So are we, and I think we’re really excited to share this for everyone, to take a listen to and and hear what everyone thinks. We’ll be happy to share that with you later, if you’d like, yeah, I would love to.
Well, thanks again. Becky, it was great talking to you and looking forward to seeing a lot of amazing things for you in the future. Well, thanks for having me on and stay tuned, maybe, maybe something coming to a screen near you in 2028
Oh, can’t wait to see about that. Thanks again.
Cocktail ers, it’s a double dip week because B is on vacation. You just heard the interview with Becky Minkoff, but now we get to talk Bravo. Tea with Tracy. Tea with Tracy. I like that. Hi, Tracy. Hi, hi, Amanda. Hi, cocktail ers, we miss you. B we do I don’t think she misses us, though. No,
she’s somewhere fabulous. She talks to me this morning. She’s like, I’m in the countryside. I hope this goes through. I’m like, Oh, girl, good for you. Oh God, I want to be on the countryside. I know I really want to hear about this trip, because I think I need, I need to copy it, perhaps same. So guys, don’t worry. Just because B is on vacation does not mean that she’s taking a vacation and that we’re not taking a vacation from getting all the tea. So we have been in contact with her. As you guys know, we get a lot of stuff through the send us tea button and all of that. So we have lots of good stuff for you. First of all, just wanted to quickly remind cocktail party members that we are having our zoom on Wednesday the 26th at 7pm eastern the email invite went out this week. There’s a post on cocktail party as well, so just look for those. Hope you can all join us. For those of you who might not be cocktails yet, it’s the Zooms are super fun, and I think they just keep getting better and better. Yes, okay, so this is time is over. I wanted to start out with the Bravo news that’s been all over mine. Tracy, I’m sure it’s been all over your socials this week. Let’s start with what we’ve been hearing about, Real Housewives of New Jersey, and then we’ll also share what we’re hearing directly from our sources. Tracy, you want to read the the excerpts? Yes. So according to reality blurb, an insider claims that three cast members have been confirmed, one of which is reportedly being eyed for their own spin off. It says the three women Bravo has engaged are Melissa Gorga, Teresa judais and Dolores Catania, an insider, revealed to ok magazine on February 17, the other women, Margaret, Joseph Danielle, Cabral and Rachel FUDA were not given reaction notice retention notices at this time, Bravo was not pursuing them for a spot on jersey or any other side projects, and that Rachel FUDA was a strong contender for season 15, but her controversial husband John FUDA got in the way of her potential comeback. Bravo found her husband difficult to deal with behind the scenes, and didn’t feel it was worth the headache the in.
Insider explained, as for Melissa, they added, Bravo loves the dynamic her husband, Joe Gorga, brings to the show. They find him funny and think viewers enjoy watching him do shots and interact with the other men. The source continued, This isn’t something they wanted to let go just yet. And the article insider then says, as far as where the women will wind up at this point, it’s looking like Jersey will be led by Melissa and Dolores and Teresa will be given a spin off they shared, while fans still want to likely see both Melissa and Teresa on jersey. There isn’t a world where that has a chance of happening due to where things stood last season and continue to stand today. Yeah. Okay, so couple things about this. We here’s what we are hearing directly from our own quote, unquote insight sources to steal the verbiage from this article. And this is all allegedly, of course. And guys, you know, things change, but we have some pretty good sources on this. So the three women, Teresa, Melissa and dolo, that have been given retention notices. What that means is they’re being held and paid for the net by the network, so they can’t go and do any other projects for any other networks. But what we’re hearing is that Theresa is likely looking at a spin off with her daughters, but where we’re gonna diverge from what that article said is with dolo and Melissa, it could look like a jersey reboot, like Miami, where they could be
OGS with a new cast, or it could be them being on another show, like crappy Lake, Melissa and traders, etc.
You know, I think what this is is Bravo is buying more time because they don’t have exact plans yet. It’s spring saving season at Honda Santa Monica drive a brand new 2025, civic sport, or HRV for just 239, a month. Or upgrade to the Accord SE for only 285, a month, plus tax easy credit. You got it best prices in LA right here, hundreds of new and used vehicles ready to roll. But hurry these offers end soon. Come see us at 1301 Santa Monica Boulevard, or visit Honda Santa monica.com
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So the big difference here is that reality blurb article says that Melissa and Dolores will lead the new Real Housewives of New Jersey. What we know is that could be a possibility, but by no means have any decisions been yet made about that and that, again, those retention contracts don’t necessarily mean that they’ll be on New Jersey. What do you think about all this? Tracy, yeah, so much to unpack. But from that, I’m very happy that you’re dolo and Melissa are in some sort of contract. I do like the idea of them both being the OGS of Jersey. It just feels light and good and fun. You know, you have dolo. She’s that old school Jersey Italian woman that takes zero crap from anyone, but she’s also lovable and fun to watch. And we love her family, Avi. And then you have Melissa and Joe. They bring the looks, the party vibe. They are our tie to the past. We love their short house, their new house. We love drunk Joe. And, you know, with Melissa’s new sprinkle cookie biz, she definitely has more story to tell. And these two are like perfect Jersey anchors, and whoever joins the cast with them, it’ll be an easier pill to swallow for the viewers. So I am hoping it’s true. If it is, I’ll miss Margaret and messy fessy. So could I we throw them in a few episodes, or on the traders or something. You know, I agree. I have been going through since, you know, hearing, you know, reading these articles and then hearing some of the stuff that we get from inside sources. I’ve been looking at everybody’s Instagrams. And what’s interesting is, and maybe this is a little bit just for the gram, but Melissa, Jen Fessler, Margaret, Rachel FUDA, Dolores, in and out. But they they are together very frequently, and post together very frequently. And so I would really be bummed if we lost some of this, some of them, I guess I have another question for you. Yeah, do you feel there can be a jersey? I think you just said this, but I am going to put you on the spot. Do you feel like there can be a jersey without Theresa? Yeah. I mean, definitely. I mean, listen, there’s so many, like, cheers made it without Diane, 902 and no, made it without Brenda. Rest in peace and but the Connors made it without Roseanne. So yeah, Jersey will definitely make it without Theresa, you know, like she’s way more likable on other shows anyway, like when she was on House of Villains.
Queen’s girls trip, she’s more relaxed. And dare I say, she seems to be smarter,
you know, like she’ll thrive on her own show, and she can focus on our daughters. Yeah, exactly. I get tired of the Queen. Of anything vibe from anybody, nobody is the queen. You know, the show is not yours. Just like Vicki got pretty entitled. I think about OC being hers, I could not agree more. I have never been a huge Theresa fan. I’ve always appreciated her for going TV, but has she’s never been one of those people, that one of those housewives, that I Stan, not that I really stand any of them, because my opinion changes about them. But you know, last week, we talked about, maybe this, two weeks ago, about Danielle Cabral pitching a new show about her family, I am really starting to wonder if there is a future for New Jersey, because we’re also hearing that this Rhode Island housewives is happening and that the network is Looking at it to possibly fill the hole that New Jersey is leaving, because it’s a lot of interwoven family and friends, just like New Jersey was when it started. So I am just wondering this is my own crazy conspiracy theory, if they’re going to try to air Rhode Island and see what kind of viewer reaction it gets, and then make more decisions about New Jersey. Interesting. Listen, if jersey was ever done for me, nothing could ever fill that hole. And, you know, I love trying to fill a hole. Amanda,
but Hi,
make any joke dirty. Tracy, I love it. It’s what I do.
But like I but, and I’m all for a new housewife franchise, and I don’t know anything about Rhode Island, just like Salt Lake City, I didn’t know anything. So I’m ready for that new drama. But I cannot let go of Jersey like you can’t make me do it. Yeah, I think a lot of people feel that way. I feel like nothing or Jersey can’t. I don’t want to continue to watch jersey. It can’t continue the way it did the last season. So some big changes have to be made, and maybe the big change is just Teresa goes on to another show, and we get maybe a little levity and a little lightness back to it, because there’s not as many have, you know, as much heaviness with also with Jen Aiden being gone and being essentially a piranha against everybody else. But the other thing is, so we mentioned the reality blurb article. Well, two days later they came up, came out with another article saying that a lot of the ideas that were written about in that article have been shut down completely. That the other meaning that the other castmates have not been fired. So it’s saying just because they weren’t retained doesn’t mean that they were fired. And to your point, I’m the same way. I really would mourn the loss of Marge and messy fessy I wouldn’t even really miss like, Rachel FUDA, like, she’s just not and then Jen Aiden, like, Oh, forget it, goodbye, see ya never Yeah, yeah, I don’t know. Like, I also like, sorry, go ahead. Oh no, go ahead. I was just gonna say, like, with jersey, what they did with Miami, they should definitely do with jersey, because it’s such a recipe for success the OGS with the newbies, I still really liked Roni, but if you’re having issues already in the second season, you may never want to do that again, especially with like an OG highly loved franchise like jersey, could not agree more. Was actually going to say the exact same thing, that I think Miami did it better, and that New York is really still having a hard time, I think, gaining its footing, and they actually got a lot of bad blow back, even though I thought the season was really good, this last season on New York, a lot of people did it. So yeah, and I guess you and I are both perhaps in the position of having the unpopular opinion, but we both agree that there’s a way forward on New Jersey without Theresa. She’s not the be all and end all in my book, in your book, and if she’s getting her own show, then, like the tree huggers can watch that and focus on that. Yeah, she’ll be way more fun to watch. Yeah. Okay, so I wanted to talk about Teddy Mellencamp, we mentioned her at the top of the show last week, we shared our love and our support for her as she was about to undergo brain surgery to remove two of the five brain tumors found on her brain. So based on what I read from her sister’s Instagram posts and in a couple of places, her surgery was apparently successful. She will be recovering in the home that she and Edwin and the kids have lived in with Edwin and the kids there to help her recover. Apparently, the divorce has also allegedly been put.
On pause, and Teddy announced that she is taking a short sabbatical from the podcast while from her podcast with Tamara to tease in a pod while she recovers. So I mean, this all sounds hopeful, and we definitely continue to send love and healing energy her way. Yeah, like, this has to be such a scary time for her and her whole family, and I’m sure it’s putting a lot in perspective. And I hope Teddy has a speedy recovery, and I’m glad Edwin and her kids are there for her. And I also really love seeing Morgan Wade giving her a shout out at her concert. Like, yeah, yeah, she she was in the room before Teddy was going into surgery. I saw her on that video. So, yeah, I agree. I think that’s great, Tracy, I know you’ve been watching Potomac. Yes, we have it, Sophia, and I haven’t been talking about it as much because, you know, offline, we’ve kind of discussed and maybe we’ve said this on the pod too, but we just felt wrong about giving Karen too much attention after we saw the body cam videos from her arrest. You know, V and I have been very vocal about we I don’t think anybody thinks drinking and driving is a good thing, but giving a platform to somebody who was arrested for drinking and driving was something we were really even uncomfortable about at the beginning of the season, and got more and more uncomfortable as we saw her continue to deflect, and then that was kind of it, after seeing the body cam videos from her arrest, why I do want to wrap up the season and discuss a few things that have happened since we last spoke about Potomac. So we’re going to kind of talk mostly about just the season finale and the first episode of their union. I am just curious, did you laugh as hard as I did at the finale when the dogs all started pooping and the women freaked the F out, I could I literally could hear my voice echoing in my house because I was laughing so loud, Amanda, I almost pitched my panties.
First of all, I felt really bad for those pups. So like, if you didn’t watch, there was a whole event with dogs or DOP dogs, and this DJ Blew this loud fog, smoke horn and literally scared the shit out of all these dogs.
So the dogs are shitting the dance floor. The women are screaming and running away. It was giving jaws in the water. It was giving duty in the pool, a la Caddy Shack. It was as if this, these women saw the most horrific thing in the world, and then like Karen throwing up behind the scenes, like it’s just dog shit Garen, oh my God, it was hilarious. It really was funny to go see her, like, go around the corner and like, puking in the bar trash can. Oh my god. The drama, the drama, but it really it was too funny. I thought Stacy looked absolutely gorgeous in the finale, I thought I didn’t understand. Maybe you did, why the other women were giving her such a hard time about her hair. Well, first of all, Stacy could look gorgeous in a trash bag, so, but I don’t know. Maybe from does it have a callback? I was just thinking, like, to the last episode when she had that short wig and people were like, not loving it. I feel like TJ didn’t love it. But who cares what he thinks, but I don’t forget about this, the wig. Oh yeah,
oh yeah. Like, because she had this short and, like, Ashley was, like, something about her neck and, like, I didn’t understand it. I thought, was it a bad wig? Maybe it looked bad in person, because I thought she looked adorable. I love the wig I have thinking you were saying her hair at the reunion. My bad. So no, I was like, No, that wig. I thought she can look good with a bald cap on. I just think they’re haters, because she’s really, like, on the extra gorgeous spectrum. Yeah, but yeah, going to the reunion a little bit. I feel like there was just a weird vibe with all the girls, especially Giselle, did you watch the first reunion? Oh, yeah. So, like, Giselle saying to Wendy, watch out, because Stacy’s gonna put out her own version of Happy Eddie. Yeah, that was weird. And, like, Stacy seemed confused. Yeah. I was like, Where is this coming from? Like, don’t throw out these random like things and not back it up well and again, not to give more to Karen. But Karen’s absence was a big part of the first part of the reunion, and seeing how all the women have reacted to Karen’s conviction and her upcoming sentencing was very interesting. Wendy has done a complete 180 and is essentially like F Karen Giselle, who has always been that thorn in Karen’s side. It says Karen is my friend. I’m trying to think of who else Kay was, I think still supportive of Karen. It was.
Interesting? Yeah, I would, could I just say, though, like, you know, Karen and the video and her taking accountability, but then still finding a way to throw shade and not mention Wendy? It’s like,
are you really accountable? Are you just trying to throw shade at Wendy? Because, like, that just really, like, rubbed me the wrong way, the whole the whole Karen, everything rubs me the wrong way. But I was like, come on, gravel, hard for me when somebody has been brought to reckoning, not just with the conviction, not just with the footage, not even just at the the arrest, because she’s had apparently, two other DUIs before I have a real hard time believing somebody if they’ve had this many chances, and now that sentencing is coming up in a week that they are now taking responsibility, I just, I don’t know, yeah, she got caught. What if she didn’t, you know what I mean, yeah, or what if something much worse had happened, which is always my thought when we see these things, you know, God bless poor Archie and Shannon the doors car, yeah, God, thank goodness. You know, no, nobody was was hurt, including the dog. And I know Shannon was was hurt a little bit, and I think Karen was a little bit hurt, but it’s I don’t think I’m ever gonna believe it from her. I really don’t, and I don’t think Bravo. Can ever give her a platform again. I really don’t, unless
something incredibly, unless she changes an incredible amount, I just don’t see it happening. So okay, I want to get your thoughts on something else, because I have a feeling you’ll probably have a probably have a take on this. What are your thoughts on TJ Stacy’s friend boyfriend is there’s, there’s been things floating around. He is being paid by her. Do you think he is a hired man? Do you think he’s pretending to be Stacey’s boyfriend? Maybe for his own gain? Like, what do you what do you think is going on with them? All right, so at the beginning, you know, I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt. However, watching the season, I think he’s really mean to Stacy, like he has made some under the breath comments to her that gave me the ick and like, you don’t even let her get it in sir. Like, like, you’re not even doing her and you’re being rude to her. And like, I’m just so perplexed by these smart, gorgeous women that date these guys that don’t deserve them. I’m not at all surprised if he is using her and like Stacy, throw the stick back in the water and start fishing for better 100%
they have less chemistry than a hen has teeth.
No one’s believing this. And I also like, I’m just gonna be a little stereotypical. I had a real hard time believing that a man in his 40s is not going to take every chance he can to get physical, like just something just seems real. Wrong. There agreed, especially when you get to look at Stacy, throws the rules out the window, right? She’s gorgeous. It is weird. It is weird. Okay, so last thing before we finish up on Potomac. We find out also on this first part of the reunion, that Mia was having her birthday party in I don’t remember if it was like a 40th birthday or it was a big birthday, but anyway, she was having a big birthday party in Miami. Of the cast. She invited Mia or Jassy and Stacy to come, but then, and the story is like kind of muddled, but it sounds like Stacy arrives in Miami, texts Mia to say, Hey, I’m here looking forward to you. Here’s nothing back. Still goes the party at the time that she was told to go and no one was there. Yeah, this was like a roller coaster of truth and lies for Mia. First, she said she didn’t know they were coming. Then Stacy brings out the cell phone receipts for Andy to read. That clearly shows that they wrote, we’re in Yeah. And then she tried to blame it on her party planner. It was kind of all over the place. I think I’ve had it with her in the space of five minutes, in front of Andy. She changed her story about this. So I just can’t imagine inviting somebody to an out of town party and not rolling out the red carpet for them, or at the very least not giving them an itinerary. And then, if you are running late, sending somebody ahead to say, Hey, let me buy you guys drinks. Mia’s running late, and I don’t like to be late to any party, especially not my own. Yeah, Mia was true to her name. She was M I A to her own party,
I mean, and she didn’t. She did, like, apologize to the girls backstage, but she knew she was wrong. Clearly, more is going on with her, you know, but I’m not interested to watch it anymore. It’s very fake. It’s very.
Confusing. Yeah, the web of lies, I think, has finally caught up to her, and it’s kind of eating her alive. Who do you think should come back on Potomac? Okay, so Karen and Mia out. Keep Giselle for sure. And can we just, like mention her outfit glow ups this season, she looked amazing at the reading, she looked amazing. Yeah, and I love me some. Ashley Darby, keep her. Let’s see her date Wendy and Stacy. I’m fine to say too. Kierna and jazzy. You know, they didn’t move the needle for me so much, but I’m happy to give like another season to peel back the onion and learn more. But can we bring back Robin? Seeing her on the traders made me miss her so much on Potomac, I could not agree more. I also saw, I don’t know if you got a chance to see her and Giselle together on Watch What Happens Live. I have to watch it still. Yeah, they just have such a great chemistry and like, I can’t help but think the fact that they gave her that spot and had her come on with Giselle. I have a feeling there’s probably some conversations going on, and this is not something that we’ve heard about, you know, from any sources or anything. I just, you know, I can see how these things work. Couldn’t. Couldn’t agree more, Karen and Mia need to go. I have really changed my mind about Wendy. I really liked her this season. She’s a little much. It would annoy the shit out of me if I had a friend who was so all about herself, but there’s something that’s also just kind of endearing about the way that she is so loyal, and she does. She has great look. I liked I came around about Stacy, especially in the last episode. I really liked her. Hey, and Jesse is same thing I would, I would be interested in seeing more and no more Jacqueline. Obviously, no more Mia. I didn’t even think about Jacqueline. No, I know. I don’t think anybody. I mean, she hasn’t even been on the reunion. Who knows if she’s even gonna be there? Yeah, that’s what’s she gonna do. Just be like, Yeah, whatever Mia says. Yeah, right, yeah. Mia said this. So yeah, forget it. No fun. No thanks. All right. Well, thank you guys. We’re having a shorter portion of this pod because we also had the interview with Becky Minkoff this week. B will be back next week, and Tracy is going to stick around so that we can talk some more gossip on our bonus pod. Yeah, let’s do it. Thanks, everybody. Thanks.
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