123. Larry is back! Momtok and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives; Dr. Nicole and Miami Tea; Nene on TV again?

We have missed Larry @BravobyGays and we are so happy to have him join our chaos. We have a lot to say about Hulu’s The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It involves all of our favorite things to talk about – sex, religion, cheating, backstabbing, drama. We need season 2! In Bravo news, Dr. Nicole and the “will she/won’t she” return conversation has us all on the edge of our seats. B has some great insight on what might be motivating her hesitance to return. And will we be seeing Nene on our screens again? 

Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tape. We chat reality TV celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from bravococktails.com and as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’m B
and I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tea
cocktailers. Amanda, we have our boy Bravo. By gays. Larry, here. What’s up? Amanda and Larry, hi
guys. Hi,
Larry, we have missed you. Where have you been?
I’ve missed you guys so much. I literally, the other day was listening, like, listening to your podcast. I was like, damn, when was the last time I was on to talk to them, why?
And we had such a crazy summer, I almost was like, gonna call you and be like, and I was in the Bahamas. Larry, can you just hop on for me? Oh my god, whenever our girl Tracy, our girl Tracy, who does our podcast ads,
oh yes, yes,
she texts us that week and she’s, Hey, would you want Jen Fessler on? And I’m like, come on the one week, I’m gonna take off. I’m not gonna turn down Jen Fessler. I’m like,
No, that was such a good episode. I’m so glad you guys got her. She was she was fantastic. She’s so cool. Total
side note. What do we think about the fact that Rachel Fessler and Jackie were at the VMAs? Do you think they were all invited and they were oh and Dolores? Okay, forget about Jackie, because we know she’s do you think, or maybe I’m wrong? Do you think that dolo? Because, side note, I have heard absolutely zero about jersey. Like, every single source I have, I think it’s a combination of people that work for the show are just like, completely shook. Are we gonna have a job? I don’t mean like a cast, whoever was leaking it?
Yeah, I would assume, because we saw that Jackie and Jen, their podcast was just renewed, and I forget if they’re like podcast one, I forget what network they’re in, but I assumed they got invited through that.
I think they’re with 2t because they were 2j and jersey or something, right? So what is it? I heart? One,
I heart. You’re right, I heart. So maybe they got invited through that, but then I’m not sure where the dolo factor comes through.
So that Melissa was on her stories, and she said that her and Danielle had an engagement, like a whatever, appearance at a restaurant. But I don’t know. In Melissa’s case, I can see her being like, I’ve done the VMAs a bunch of times, whatever, yeah, but. Yeah, Danielle turning down the vme. So part of me is Melissa probably was invited, but wasn’t going to ditch Danielle because Danielle wasn’t invited. That’s where my head’s at.
I can imagine it’s easy for them to get invited, right? The VMAs are in New York, and they live in Jersey, and they are, like, so big as far as like, reality television goes, so it would make sense to have some pop culture people there. So that would make sense, but I was surprised to only see those three,
yeah, but what a big one to have missed. It looked like it was I didn’t get to watch. I was busy last night, but it looks like it was a good one.
My friend was there. She actually her daughter’s school. Actually her sister’s daughter. So her niece’s school had a raffle, and her niece goes to fancy private school in Manhattan had a raffle. And I don’t know why her sister didn’t want to go, but she was like, can you take my daughter, your niece? And she went. So she was sending me videos like Taylor Swift. So cool. Well, oh, by the way, Amanda, remember how I didn’t know that girl. What’s her name? Chappelle. Rowan. Chapel, yeah. Chapel. Rowan, what a freaking brat. This one is yelling at everybody. What’s her story?
Oh, I don’t know.
I did, yeah. See, I saw a tick tock. So I did see that. She did yell at one of the, like, photographers that were, like, taking pictures on the red carpet. And she was like, No, you someone had said, shut the fuck up. And so she popped off and was like, No, you shut the fuck up. And, like, she got pissed. Oh, they
told her to shut the fuck up.
I know it sounded like they weren’t talking to her, but maybe she misunderstood that and thought that they were but she’s just like, really, she really is on this kick where she is just like, This is my job. I want. No, I like, you guys don’t respect me. She thinks like people are stalking her, which, like, I get she, like, in her mind, she’s just, like a regular she this, she said this in an interview, like, I’m just a regular bitch. You don’t know who I am. So like, why would you be coming to where you think I am? And, like, following me and asking me for pictures? Yeah,
I heard so prior to the VMA red carpet where she cursed at people, there was, like, a bunch of stories about her telling fans, it’ll go away. Stop trying to get pictures. Yeah,
no, they’re all like, that’s, I feel like that.
Is it a stick? Is it like her?
I don’t think so.
She was like, she has been in the business for a long time, and then, like, she full on hit this summer.
How old is she?
She’s young. She’s like Gen Z, early 20s. Yeah,
but I Yeah. How long could she have been in to see how old she is? No, I
said she’s just been famous for about a month. And I will tell you this, though, because I didn’t
know who she was, but Amanda’s a big fan. And then I have, of course, I love her. Once Amanda sent me to stuff, I was like, Oh, of course, I know her music, but I didn’t know her name. Clearly, I still don’t, but I think it’s funny. But also, you would think some I don’t know. I guess in my mind, you think everybody wants to be famous. What, to be fair, maybe she just likes making music and money and she doesn’t really want to be famous. But I can’t imagine that this is, yeah, that’s like, yelling at people, yeah, I
think that’s the thing. I think she just loves the art of it, and didn’t know what to expect with the fame and, like, I really just found out who she was, like this summer, like, when King Pony Club had like, a like, resurgence, because that song, like, came out a couple years ago, and it literally just blew up that, like, obviously, within the last couple of months. And I know, like in Buffalo, we have this waterfront concert series, and she opened it in like, May or June, and I didn’t know who she was until, like, July, and I was like, Oh, damn it. Like I would have known that if I would have known her before I would open it, because I love her. But then it was, like, a couple months later, I saw this tick tock of a girl that was like, Oh, I just heard chapel Rowan at this bar, like, nearby where I live. And so she went to the bar and found her like, and I think after that happened, she was like, Okay, this is a little much like you guys are, like, trying to locate me. Now that’s weird. Okay.
First of all, I was with Larry when we went to the pillows and beer show. And let me tell you, I can’t imagine being a celebrity, because, granted, we were like, at the show, and everybody, Larry has a podcast. He shows Himself on his Instagram, but there were girls chasing us, and we’re like, oh my god, Larry, tell the truth. And I was like, oh my god, is this what it’s like to be the rock star, so crazy you
are, though I would chase after you too. Larry,
Amanda, I’m not exaggerating. Grant said it wasn’t 1000s of people, but there were like, several groups
of girls sitting after us. Oh my gosh, I cannot imagine, and like, I can only imagine too, because she really has been doing this for like, she’s been trying to make it for a really long time, and then for it to hit so fast, I think must just feel
it blew up in like, I don’t think I’ve seen anybody rise that fast. Yeah,
I agree, like him and her and Zach Ryan, I feel are the two that, like, just blew up. Yeah, over the last couple years, okay, Brian’s been big, no, yeah, but like, he, he hit really hard. He same story, like in my hometown, played a really small venue. I wanted, I liked him back then wanted to go. We were out of town, and then, bam, the stadium tour that we are, like, pre ordering tickets to go to, and he did multiple cities with multiple nights in a row. So it just he, I think social media is really a big reason that a lot of these stars are just blowing up so quickly and going from small venues to the next year a stadium tour. That’s insane. Yeah, it is insane,
isn’t he? The one that’s dating Brianna, Chicken Fried like, the following, I’m sure, like, helps that she has like, millions of followers, yeah,
yeah. And his, I really like his music. Wait a minute. I
think I was thinking of Luke Bryan. I was like, Are
you guys? Okay, okay. Zach Brian, okay. It’s been a long day. Guys, no
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Oh, that sounds good. Oh, my God, I
have one of those cups. Still,
the cups were good, although these cups, by the way, Amanda, I
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was like, we’re not even, we’re not even effing around with the small mugs. We only have the big mugs for, like, coffee cups, just because, same 100%
two Keurigs fit nicely in a cup. Put it to that way,
yeah, I think it’s a 15 ounce. I believe you guys don’t even understand the amount of sleep that I have lost over this merch launch, just because we want it to be so good, and we want it to really feel just like a good representation of this community that we have built. So it has been very much a labor of love. So we are really excited. Yes, yes, we
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We’re gonna, we’re gonna send you some stuff. Larry, you just take a look. We’ll send you, we’ll send you the info. Make sure you have it, and we’ll send you some stuff. Okay, so we’re obviously going to talk all things. Bravo, because we haven’t heard Larry’s opinion on things, which we very much need to know, but we have to touch on Hulu, The Secret Lives of Mormon wives, the whole Mom Talk thing. Like, I feel like this whole show has been right in our crosshairs as far as the kinds of stuff that we find interesting, as cocktails, there’s sex, there’s drinking, there’s piety, there’s religion, there’s just so much. So, E I know you had a little bit of a breakdown that you wanted to share about so too. So
I’m gonna give a breakdown, because I, myself, at the beginning of watching, was so confused that I literally paused the show. I went to the real moms of Bravo’s highlights, because I remember they covered Mom Talk, Hawk to us. Talk, there’s a lot of crossover Hawk to mom. Talk, swinging hard, swinging. Okay, so we have Taylor, Miranda and Camille, who were the OGS they were originally off. The reality show based off of their Tiktok brand, mom talk secret lives of Mormon wives had a slow start because they weren’t sure it was actually gonna get picked up in that time frame, Taylor, Miranda and Camille had a big Fallout, and Miranda and Camille, although they were still offered the show, they allegedly declined because Taylor was going to be on it. The show was picked up after Taylor was arrested for the domestic violence incident with Dakota. So this explains that year long break, because the first episode, she’s saying, I might be pregnant, and then all of a sudden she’s like, very much with child,
yeah, until eight months later, I was like, whoa. What happened?
They were that’s when I piloted, yeah, exactly.
So because of Miranda and Camille declining the show, they had to fill the cast with other Utah Mormon influencers. So this is why the level of Mormonism varies amongst the group. Some of them were already friends before the show. They all, we don’t know if they all knew each other, but it’s why it doesn’t seem so cohesive at first.
Yes, Larry, tell us what you’re thinking so far.
I Oh, I binged the entire thing in one day. I’m obsessed with it. It was literally I like, I could not get enough.
Did you feel like I had a hard time with the first episode? I got more into it after the second the first. Maybe it was because it was hard, just not knowing who anybody was. But I really struggled, honestly with the first episode. But I kept going, and then I was like, Oh my gosh, this show is so good.
Yeah, the first one, I went into it, and I like, I only knew Taylor, Frankie, Paul, so I didn’t really know any of the other ones. I don’t like, I don’t remember seeing them like, on tick tock, and I live on tick tock. I like, literally, can scroll for hours, but I remember, I always remember seeing Taylor’s videos with those other couples me like this off swinging ones, but not any of the other women, but now, like, they’re all over my FYP, and I want to thank the algorithm for that, because I literally cannot get
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Yeah, you guys know I love to get down a rabbit hole here and there, and this is one I feel like I’m not done yet, like I’ve got a lot more research to do, because I am not really on Tiktok a lot, just for my own, like sake. I’m already such a time waster, like I get shiny object syndrome, and I just can’t, I just can’t be on Tiktok. It’s just too addicting to me. So I had read all the stories before about Mom Talk and stuff that I hadn’t really been seeing the videos. But I am like, Okay, how does this all work? I know that Taylor, Frankie Paul, is the one in the middle of it. There’s this whole swinging thing and like how everything is tied with Mormonism, because I’m always very interested about religions. And so I actually listened to Taylor on the vile files. And if you guys haven’t had a chance to listen, you absolutely should. I thought it was a really great listen. I think Nick asks really good questions, hard questions. I think Taylor was very honest. But what I think is really interesting and be you touched on this is that it feels like there’s a lot of stuff that’s touched on that isn’t really shown on screen. So there’s people that they mention. There’s Taylor who talks about her previous best friend. So that was Miranda and her husband, Chase. Are the two that everybody thinks Taylor is referring to when she is talking to about this soft swinging. And that is who was in the video where she said, like, I said, Are we swingers? And it said 99% 99.9% and it was those two couples. So I don’t think this is like, just congestion. I think they, they definitely, they definitely said so too. And both couples divorced, right? Both, I believe, divorced. Now, a lot of the mom talk dads started a podcast called only dads that I’ve been actually like watching, like I fall, I’m following them on Instagram and like watching their clips, because they’re talking about some of some of their stuff, but I think we actually might just need to do a little graphic to explain who everybody is.
They all look the same. They all have those like extensions. They’re all very pretty. Yeah, they’re very open about the fact that they all get filler and botox because they’re not allowed to have a glass of wine, but they’re allowed to do ketamine and plastic surgery
and laughing gas, so guarded.
And I think, like Whitney, who, of course, we’re gonna get to, I think, yeah, she stuck out because she wanted to, and she wanted to be the queen bee, and she whatever. But she also stuck out because she looks different, with the short hair and the very like porcelain skin, whereas everyone else is, like, spray tanned, and, yes,
and that’s where a lot of the tension, I think, is coming, is with Whitney and Taylor. Whitney also, let me remind you guys, is the one who did the Tick Tock where she’s dancing in a hospital room with her baby son in the crib, who had been in a life or death situation. Conversation with he was so sick with RSV, yeah. So that tells you a lot. I think about her in general, yeah,
and they touched on that on the in the show, yeah, that video specifically, yeah,
yeah. She’s literally like, skip dancing. It’s messed up. But Whitney says to everybody that Taylor’s arrest has affected their earnings, that brands don’t want to work with them, because essentially, Taylor sullied the brand by going to jail. And Whitney keeps saying, we need to get rid of that culture. Whitney also happens to be one of the people who is in the holy or the Mao camp, yeah. And
so then Whitney doesn’t go to Taylor’s baby shower. She doesn’t want to be associated with her. And, to your point, she’s tick talking next to her baby who had been in the NICU. So what’s selling the brand? Like,
yeah and yeah, and then she’s posting, like, sponsorships with vibrators. Like, what that’s like against like, she’s such a hypocrite, I can’t even, not even stand her.
Thank you for bringing that up, because that was why I was enraged by her so fast forwarding, she gives to me a gift of a box full of like fruity cereal, Fruity Pebbles, because, to me, had confided in her that she and her husband had done something in the privacy of their own bedroom involving fruity cereal. Whitney then goes on and tells everybody about it, but then also gives her this box of it, which to me, felt very much like shaming, when Whitney is also saying that she’s trying to be part of the new generation of Mormon women where there is less shame around sex, and she couldn’t say it better, she is a hypocrite.
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a home girl needs to relax because her husband allegedly was on grinder, right? Larry, isn’t this the word? Like she tried to say he was on Tinder? Yeah,
I saw Yeah. I’ve seen in the show she says he was on Tinder, but I’ve seen the tick tocks of people saying, oh, maybe your husband was on grinder, but I don’t know. I have, I
saw a meme that somebody put out there, and it was like, pictures of him, and in every picture, he had a different color hair, and someone was like, oh, maybe he was trying to not be recognized because he’s on grinder, whether he’s on grinder or Tinder. Like, cheating is cheating? Yeah, I don’t believe that men go on those things. Well, first of all, my opinion, if my man is on a dating site, whether he’s just sexting or meeting up with the people, none of it’s good. And whether he’s doing it with men or women, none of it’s good. But back to the point of her shaming Demi about something her and her husband did together. It’s really as your husband’s on dating websites like, literally,
do not throw What’s that saying? Don’t throw stones at glass houses. Because your husband was on Tinder having, like, sexual conversations with other women for years, and you ran away to Hawaii to try to escape it, thinking that you would then you. Come back only to go on a reality television show where it gets exposed. Yeah, you gotta be fucking kidding. Where you knew it was gonna get exposed. You knew it was gonna come up like you were
like, Let’s escape to Hawaii. Oh, wait, Hulu is gonna pick us up. Screw it. Let’s burn the whole house down. Literally,
I can’t and there is just something about this woman that literally drives me absolutely insane.
I will say this, though, in her defense, a little bit, when she was speaking with her mom in the and her younger sister in the kitchen, I did find it very eye opening. Women on this show. They’re not children. Some of them are in their early 20s, and then it’s also weird, like, some of them are 22 some of them are 30, but they’re all stunted a little bit. Yeah, they were very sheltered. They all married very young, had kids very young. I think it’s very far into the average viewer like myself or you two. So it’s, and I think Kate Casey said this, it’s like watching Teen Mom combined with housewives. So it does make me feel sorry for Whitney when she’s sitting and she’s telling her mom I didn’t know anything about sex like my wedding night. You know what I’m saying? There was no experience. There was no reference point for anything. And these girls were getting married at 1819 they didn’t. They never did the things that single, 18 and 19 and 2021, year old girls do. And then here comes marrying somebody who may or may not be gay. Here comes soft, swinging, here comes all of these things that they experiment with as married women, because they never had a chance to be young single women. They went from child to married woman and mom,
yeah, and that’s what, that’s what kind of fascinates me about the Mormon culture. I just something about it is just so freaking weird, like the and they get me and, you know what? Like, not even to like, bash on Mormons or whatever, like your religious beliefs, or your religious beliefs, but I am gonna speculate, because, like, you’re on the show, so whatever. But they all like, got married and like, to their husbands and had babies so young, and the only thing that I can think of is the fact that they were so curious to, like, experiment with sex and see what it was like. So that’s why they jumped into these marriages, not knowing what the hell was going on. Because you can’t do that unless you are married, and now they are just stuck in these relationships. I was listening to giggly squad, and Paige and Hannah were talking about this, and Paige compared it to, like, falling in love with, like, your kidnapper, almost. Yeah, we’re just like, now they’re so far into these relationships, but they’re judging everyone else for what they’re doing, but they honestly have no experience of their own.
First of all, back to the Whitney thing. I don’t believe for a minute she has the same access, like Mormons have access to Google, like, right Google sex. I just was like, I don’t believe this. I believe that her parents didn’t tell her anything about sex, but I don’t believe that she didn’t know how to have sex, like I would imagine if, as people are saying, which I have no knowledge of, but you know, if you’re trying to have sex with somebody who is not heterosexual, I could imagine that could cause some issues, but Right? I think what is very interesting is it’s, I think this is a very clear, it’s a patriarchy, right? Like, yeah, I was so uncomfortable about that whole baby blessing.
Oh my god. It was so cringe. It was awful, because
not even saying I’m not inviting you, like whatever, that’s just normal, like reality TV style, but the fact that this is the baby, and this is Jen’s baby, and she cannot get up and be a part of this ceremony because she is a woman, and only the men carry the priesthood, or whatever the F fat is, yeah. So there’s people who are not even related to this baby getting up and being a part of this ceremony while Jen and all the women have to sit down, and I was so uncomfortable with that. It’s
so uncomfortable. And we know from Salt Lake City and from Heather sharing and Whitney from Salt Lake City sharing, that these women are basically they know from the time they’re young children. We are Mormon. These are our rules. If you break them, goodbye, say goodbye to Mommy, say goodbye to daddy, say goodbye to brothers and sisters, because we’re all going to disown you. So then you have these women jumping through hoops and like taking laughing gas as they’re getting Botox, because if they were to drink a beer with their friends, they would be excommunicated. What like drinking so much soda is, yeah, like, is that why Lisa Barlow always has the soda? I guess so. That is the first time it clicked for me, because you can’t drink coffee. Caffeine is caffeine. Drugs are drugs. Ketamine is still. Crack, yeah?
Like, how can you not drink coffee, but you can do ketamine therapy? That makes no sense to me. Why?
I guess that explicitly written in their book. Yeah,
this is, like, one of our first, I don’t know, maybe 20 podcasts that we did. We talked about that because, again, I was fascinating. I was like, Wait a second, exactly bees pointing like they can’t have a beer, but they’re doing ketamine, like, What the What Academy. It’s very interesting, and I think that’s what’s making the show so interesting, because we’re seeing so much more about that, and we’re seeing more of the piety and all of that. Then we get to see on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Yes, we hear a lot about people who are ex communicated. And we’re seeing Lisa trying to brand this as Mormon 2.0 and saying that she goes to, she still goes to the temple. But that was the other thing. I think it was Jen, when they go on the little birthday party weekend, had forgotten her garments, which, yes,
can you please refer to her as Jen Affleck, Jen
Affleck and Jen Affleck as she’s like, sitting there freaking out, and it’s okay, but like and, but then you also see, because they are, I believe I have to look them up. I did look them up when we had this conversation before, but you’re definitely not wearing a strapless dress if you’re wearing the garments. And so I’m always looking to see what people who are saying they’re devout Mormons are wearing, to see, are they, could they be wearing the garments under that? And if not, what does that mean? And it’s, there’s so much. It’s so I have to
tell you the thing I can’t wrap my head around with Ben Affleck, second cousin Zach, whom Jen Affleck has never met. She says they show him and his barbarian looking south. They say that he just graduated college, right? It says 27 and then she says, Yes, it was written. He always planned on being a surgeon like his dad. So why did it take him 10 years to graduate college? Is he just starting medical school at 27 you go to college at 18 and like, what? Why does he get out of a four year degree at 27
I’m at a loss. The math ain’t math and on that, yeah,
that totally distracted me. And then when she said that she was going somewhere, he was like, You better really think about your decision, because how are you going to feel? It’s going to be pretty hard for you to raise these two kids by yourself. Threatened to leave her because she was going to go to a what was it? A stripper, Chippendales. Chippendales
while, yeah, while he’s in the casinos gambling away the money that she gave him, that man is probably one of the most vile people I’ve ever seen on reality TV. Oh,
he’s a man and the Mormon and so he, he holds all the power in that, like the men do in that community.
I apologize because I’m not all the way through because Amanda and I were like, we’ll cover the first four and then the next four. But yeah, I have to ask a question. I know that she said her mother was, I believe, from Ecuador, and English wasn’t her first language. So is Jen’s father Mormon? Or did she become Mormon when she got together with the barbarian Zack, she said that she grew up Mormon. Okay, that’s again, none of this is math thing,
yeah. What I did find actually really crazy is that her mother is a cleaning lady in the hospital, that her husband’s father is a surgeon in that’s wild, yeah? Like, how completely different their lives are 100 years,
I don’t know I could go on and on. You guys, there’s so many then
you got Taylor, okay, so we first meet the boyfriend before she’s pregnant, right? The first episode, and they go out to eat, and he’s, I don’t drink. I disapprove of drinking. And she’s, like, leaving it in her professional she’s, I’m getting fucked up tonight. I don’t come to find out he’s an ex drug addict, yeah, what? And, like, the women didn’t explicitly say it so far in the four episodes that I’ve watched, but I know that on social media, a lot of them had said things like during their fights Taylor and his domestic violence situations, they believe that he was under the influence of drugs. Those
two are so toxic, like I would not, I wouldn’t like, doubt it, like, even when they in the first episode where they show, like, the footage of the cops going to arrest her. She was drunk. I can’t imagine he was sober. He doesn’t really cross me as, like, the sober type, like even just looking at him. I’m like, oh, that man. Like he parties. He looks like it 100% Yeah, it is so crazy. I
think it’s safe to say we’ll be seeing more from them. I would imagine they’re filming, oh, right now. And
Demi from Mom Talk, yeah, is married to Angie Harrington from Salt Lake City’s first husband, who, by the way, is a smoke show. He is yes, and there’s a so she’s 16 years younger than him. Him and he is 56 oh,
he’s like 42 Oh, maybe Oh 24 and he’s like 42 Okay,
so the Tick Tock I saw was obviously a joke, but yeah, because I was, I was just gonna say he looked real. He’s really beautiful, like, he’s got, she’s really beautiful too. I just need Yeah, so how small is this Mormon Salt Lake City community that she’s with Angie Harrington’s first husband.
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It’s crazy, right? I, like, literally saw an interview that she did, and she, to me, actually even talked about how she interviewed to be on Salt Lake City. So I can’t, like they do cross over, because even Layla, the one who got divorced, where they went to Vegas for Hilton or she had a divorce party, you guys aren’t there yet? Layla there is Yeah. Layla is the African American, Mormon housewife. Yeah, she’s the youngest one. And and she said in the interview, she said she’s friends with Monica. They all cross. You know what? I mean, it’s all crazy. It’s crazy. And
when there is pressure in the religion to marry other people who are Mormon, then I’m sure, then few generations later, everyone’s knows each other. Everyone’s somehow, like, distantly, distantly related to each other, just like Whitney and Heather.
Oh yeah, how they’re distant cousins? Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I don’t know. We’re I’m watching.
I’m seated. I’m sure they’re getting a second season. I’m sure it’s gonna amp up. They’re gonna bring new girls on the good news for Hulu is that they’re never have to pay any of them too much, because they all look the same. So if one leaves, they could just throw some hand tied extensions on another one and bring them
in. I was shocked to actually see I went on tick tock, and like, looked at all of the girls accounts. They all have over a million followers on tick tock. I was like, I How have I never seen any of that? Wow, because you
have, you just don’t know what you’re looking at. Yeah,
I don’t know. Although
I think Taylor has like, a dip, Taylor and her mother looks so much alike, yeah. Oh, and then when Taylor’s mother goes outside and calls Whitney, like, side note, they weren’t even really friends. We know that right as viewers now, they were just doing the tick tocks together, and it’s like Taylor’s mom is hungry for that fame too. She’s, oh, there’s a camera up. Let me get over
there. Yeah, how awkward for her to call her daughter’s friend and ask why she’s not at the baby shower.
So does it happen in real life now?
And so many people are saying that they think that Whitney looks like Catherine from southern charm when she first came on. I see it right, like the very porcelain skin. And I think it’s also the eyelashes, like we’re so used to seeing women with the fake eyelashes these days that Whitney showing like bare faced. And then you remember when Catherine didn’t have makeup on, she has the red blonde eyelashes. So I think it’s that, but I have to say she’s got the energy of Janet from the valley, yes. And she also looks like hilly from the help. Do you guys remember the movie The Help?
Yes. Oh god, I came
out. Yeah, yeah. Who ate the poop pie? She looks like Sarah. I am blanking on her last name, Paul
Shin Sarah Paulson, who also looks like Angie Harrington. Angie Harrington, stapple game.
I can see it. I can see it. You know what? As much as I truly cannot stand Whitney. I think she is like gold for reality TV, like in this type of show, like yes, without her baby, yeah, they she is the necessary. Both. So it’s just weird though, too, because, like, now, obviously the season’s over, I have obviously been scrolling Tiktok, like I said, I think Jen and Zach moved, like, I think they literally moved so I don’t know if she’ll be back. Like, I don’t know what I don’t know. Like, I literally got done watching it, and I was like, Okay. Like, I’m ready for season two tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. Like, how Meredith goes back to Salt Lake City, just
exactly okay. We have some Bravo stuff to talk about. Let’s move on to that. I think that. Let’s see here. Where should we start? Okay. Last week, we mentioned that on the pod that we were hearing that Dr Nicole was leaving and that she was leaving by choice, and teardrops running down our cheeks because it’s been confirmed. Cocktails. Know how B and I are feeling about this, but I would we want to know what your thoughts are. Larry, I
listen. I love Dr Nicole. I honestly, I think she is like a great mold for a housewife. She’s gorgeous, she’s rich, she like, has the family like she can get in the mix with the drama. I love her so much, and I don’t want to see her go. I’m so confused by the news regarding her exit, because Page Six did release that they have that ex. They can exclusively reveal that she is exiting real houses in Miami upon the start of them filming season seven, and then they completely changed their headline within a couple of hours, and then they’ll change the article wording as well, saying, Oh, that like she’s in talks to leave. So that kind of confused me. Do I think she’s coming back? No, sorry,
yeah, no, well, I don’t want to interrupt, but I because I think this is what it is. I think she’s, no, I don’t want to do full time. And I think they’re like, We want you to do full time. And I think that she’s just give me a season or whatever. I think, listen, Dr Nicole is very smart, right? Yeah. And Dr Nicole had her father as her storyline, and that was where the drama came from. And she could roll Poppy out, and that could be her, that could be her mess. Okay? Dr, Nicole is not going to allow her or Anthony to be the mess. Anthony is a professional. Anthony makes a lot of money as an attorney, a lot of money, right? So she doesn’t want any eyeballs too closely on any of that. Okay? She doesn’t want any eyeballs on the fact that they’re not legally married. She I’m not saying there’s anything suspicious about anything. I’m just saying that as a housewife, when you’re full time, they’re gonna dig in, and Poppy’s not there, so they’re going to be looking at her. And I think that she’s taking a step back, because she’s smart to be like what? Let me get my ducks in a row. Let me still pop in with my exosceutical skincare line, which is incredible, by the way, and let me show my face. And so I think that’s where they’re at now. And I think that when they when she turned down full time, I think it came to a halt because they are casting, they are looking for people. I hear there’s a woman who looks very much like her, but I totally think that it’s her wanting to be careful about look at what happens on reality shows. Guys. Yeah, if you don’t need the money, which she doesn’t, what the thing is, you’re gonna give up the platform. And I don’t think she fully wants to give up the platform. So that’s where I think they’re at. I think that she is willing to pop in for lunch, to have them all come to her skincare event. I think she’s all down for all that. I just think she’s not down for the cameras in her house with the baby, with her mom, with her and Anthony with the questions of, now you have two kids? When are you getting married? I just think she’s not down for that.
Yeah, no, and I agree with you. I definitely can see her being a friend. My first thought was she just had the baby, like, what, two months ago. So she’s going to take the time to focus on the baby, and she will definitely be welcomed back. Obviously, we’ve seen people leave in return. And then there was that tick tock floating around that was like, a fan going up. Did you guys see this? There was a fan going up to her, and she was like, I didn’t so sad to see you go. And she was like, nothing is official yet. So I and I think that’s where the wording between the articles from Page Six kind of switch, because she didn’t really, actually confirm she was leaving. You know how these outlets are? They like to run what they want to be the first one to like, get the story out there,
not full time, yeah. But I also think that it’s productions way of being well, no, you need, you know what. You don’t want to talk about stuff you don’t want a full time thing. We’ll call you if there’s if we have time for you, and they’re gonna have time for her. Come on, everybody loves her. Yes, literally, the most consistent outcry of no that I ever saw. Yeah, I don’t know about ever, but in a long time, like people generally love her. So I think we’ll see her. I think it’s disappointing, because, come on, we want to see her new house, Amanda, and I want to see that baby. Oh, my God, I know she’s the cutest. She’s saying, Yes, I
just want, well, I want Miami back so bad, like Dave’s gonna be so good. They haven’t had cameras up in like six months. It feels like great. But
guys so today, Lisa Hochstein posted a picture Lisa Marisol and Alexia, and she writes my day ones, because something tells me that Miss Lars. Hip is not happy that Lisa’s man, Jody, this summer, was hanging out with Marcus as he was skiing with his rent a hoe. Okay, so you’re gonna see some beef between Larsa and Lisa. And I love it. I love when the two of them fight, because it’s just,
this is like, what I love though, because this is how like, like, they used to do it, where, like, they would rap filming, and then they would have a couple months off, because, you know how they say they want them to live their lives, so they have something to film. And I think the past couple of years, we’ve just been so used to getting everything in such a quick turnaround that, like, now that they haven’t filmed in about five or six months, like we’re gonna get actual issues going on, right? So we’re, they’re like, gonna have stuff to talk about, even though we may have already seen headlines about it, it doesn’t matter. They’re still gonna hair it out on the show, and I cannot wait. There’s so many things I want to see. And what a difference
even a few months makes with Lisa and Lenny, right? Lenny called her. She said publicly that he called to apologize to her, and he is publicly to Lisa about the whole affair, and that he’s publicly denouncing Catherine, the mistress, and that is going to be fascinating, I think, to hear more details about
Yeah, and look where that loser ended up single. Yeah,
he got played like a film, literally,
so good.
Let’s hope that, as we guessed, that maybe those diamonds he gave her were less of the less expensive sort.
And the most exciting news in a long time is the news of NeNe Leakes have hosting the E after party. Red carpet with Ariana E is owned by NBC, who owns Bravo. Nini would not be invited there unless there was a men’s made. You guys will remember last November I had posted, and I’m not on Twitter much, but when I do go on, I’m constantly getting tagged in what an idiot I am for saying that Nini might come back eat shit because needy hosted the after party, right? So if you’re hosting something, yeah, that’s on under NBC umbrella, there is a chance you will come back and Amanda, as I was hearing this, I went to old posts, and I remembered the email we got about talks about Cynthia and Nini doing a show, like a crappy Lake kind of thing. The two of them doing something like that. I could see them putting her on traders, right?
She would be so good on that.
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I just you guys, I think I just never let here I am eating shit because I never believed it either, because I was like, if you sue the network and you make racism claims about them, I don’t see how there’s any coming back from that, but I agree. So glad to be wrong on this, because she’s
not back on Bravo yet, but I just feel like she will be, because this is a very good indication. Yeah, and
in her post, she did state, like, so happy to be back with my NBC, fam, so she’s back like in it seems to be good graces with the network. Listen, maybe
we heard that there might be a settlement. That was the speculation. Maybe there wasn’t a settlement, but maybe they said to her, Listen, come do this for us. We’ll start giving you top rate. We’ll give you top. Great. We’ll match what we’re giving Portia, we’ll match what we’re giving Phaedra. Housewives is 18 years old. They know who their stars are. Just there’s an a list in Hollywood. There’s an a list in Bravo. And whether you love them or hate them, people like Nini are a list.
I have never been happier to be wrong about something. I think she would be so fun on any of the screens I love. I just think she’s so funny. Yeah,
I’m right there with you. I didn’t think it would ever happen
again, guys, we also hear Kim’s making a cameo. Larry, I don’t know if you watched the real life. I watched a few episodes. She’s just gold. Kim’s also,
I have not,
but I can’t read a couple things, yeah, and then I Yeah, and I didn’t Phaedra just post something like, Kim’s like, Kim, come get your peach. Come pick up the peach or something. So I can see her popping in from a scene. Listen, we know she needs the money. And I just like, I feel like, for the right price, like she would come back, right? She’s going to all, I don’t know if it would be full time or just a friend that was, I don’t think she would want the cameras in her home with all this nonsense that’s going on with Corey, like she would whatever that man’s name is. I can’t imagine her being like, Okay, I’ll come back full time and having cameras in that house. Listen, at this point, I think they have a deal with TMZ, because they’re posting videos from inside that mansion every other week. But if they were to move out and Kim were to live on her own, I could see her coming back full time, because she wouldn’t have to show that. But is that what we want to see? We want to see the dirtiness going on between the two of them. We
want to see a comeback queen, exactly. We may. I don’t think we want to see the police being called on each other, and children cry now, when you’re in the house, come on. Yeah, we want to see things going better for her. We want to hear about some of the dirt, but we don’t want to see, you know, like we need us. We want to see some of that stuff swept under the rug. I think, Oh, I’d want to see it. What do you watch those police videos. I
have watched a couple of them. It is insane. It is insane. It’s
but here’s the thing that I think, that I have always said to Amanda’s point, once you see the network, you’re done. But here’s the thing, as time goes, you hire these new women. And these women, some are great. A lot of them are over producing themselves. A lot of them, the Vicky gumblesons, the Shannon badors, the Teresa Judy Chase, the Nini leaks, the Kim Zooks, those women don’t know how to be normal. They don’t know how the dorindas, the sonias, they are the blueprint like you’re never going to change Sonia. Sonia is in this 1520 years. She still shows up to the watch what happens alive over served with haha. Out this is just a couple months ago. Like, you can’t find people like that everywhere. And I think there has to be some acknowledgement of that on the executives parts. Like, yeah, Nini is crazy. NiNis obnoxious. Nini accused us of being racist and all this. But like, where are we finding another Nini, because they try, you’re
not going to Yeah, yeah,
absolutely. We gotta talk about OC because we haven’t had a chance to talk to you about all of this mess. Very Okay. Alexis and Johnny j are, as you probably have heard us call. Start calling him Johnny aioli God. Relationship has now become an engagement. And I think what everybody is calling out and would love to have, by the way, any of our cocktail or lawyers would really love to hear your guys’s perspective on whether this threatening to send out the videos or she pays up on the lawsuit, could be considered actual extortion, because it feels like it to me, and then Alexis having, like, actual pictures of the wire transfers in her phone. Like, where do you stand on all this? Larry,
so I will say, like I was very much like, looking forward to Alexis coming back, and in the back of my mind, I was like, There’s no way, like this is just like, I just didn’t think it was going to be such a Shannon takedown for some reason. And I’m like, I am. Was absolutely wrong. That’s exactly what she came back for. It is literally all she does is talk about Shannon and John Jansen. I was very much in the mindset of, there’s no way this woman should have to pay him a dime if she’s talked about paying his way for the first couple years of their relationship, it shouldn’t really just be considered a wash all this. I was like, this is really just John Jansen is disgusting, and I still think that he is for what he’s doing, because for someone who did not want to be like in the public eye, he’s very much eating it up and going on red carpets now with Alexis. But I did listen to Carlos king, his podcast, his episode that just came out, I think last week, he had Dave Quinn on. And they don’t think that like it’s any type of like disparagement towards Shannon. They think that like the way that it came. Him across was they Shannon. Dave Quinn had said Shannon is very much like when it comes to her friends. She gives buys them things, and that’s just her. Maybe her love language is either gift giving or spoiling friends, and that’s probably how she came off with John, and now that it’s backfired on her, she’s saying that she shouldn’t have to pay him because of all of that stuff, when, really, in the moment of maybe everything she was buying, it wasn’t really like a tit for tat type of thing. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? What I’m
saying the man sporting her on public on national television? No.
So what I’m saying, what I’m saying is, like, listening to that podcast, it was like, I was like, Oh, wow. I didn’t even think, like, people were thinking that way. So I don’t know what the fuck to think
anymore. I just keep going back to unless there’s a written promissory note or or, I guess there is a certain legal precedent for a handshake agreement to pay back. But if she keeps saying there was nothing of the sort, then I don’t understand why he’s got any ground with this lawsuit. So I keep thinking maybe there’s just another detail that isn’t being shared that we don’t know about, because she seems legitimately perplexed as to why you would want that money back.
Yeah, this is what I was going to say, because remember, she had offered, she said, just pay him what he wants, pay him what he wants. And she just wanted him to sign that non disparagement agreement, yeah, and he wouldn’t sign it. So, like, why wouldn’t you just take the money and go and just sign, like, that disparagement agreement? So that way you’re not talking trash about her, but you obviously didn’t, because you want to be able to talk about this, right? Yes, he’s such an answer, but that’s where they were. Like, she’s been disparaging his name for years, like on, like, that’s where, like, it was. So I got a little bit confused,
but, but guess what? He dated a woman who was on a reality television show. That is his own fault. He didn’t like it. He should have broke up with her years ago, right? So now he’s dating another fucking woman on a reality television show. How’s that gonna work out for you? Johnny J aioli, I just you have this buffoon, Alexis sitting there watching this man treat his girlfriend of years like a thief in the night. Yeah, and extort her on television. And you’re helping him trying to take her down, and he’s sending you like, Okay. Amanda recently was remarried. If you’re dating, you’re now husband, and he’s sending you wire transfers of him and his ex. That’s not off putting, regardless of the circumstances involving you,
I would admit, I’ll just say it out loud like my husband has never said a bad word about his ex, and that, to me, says a lot, right? Like, I can’t even imagine I would be like, Wait, if I’m dating Johnny and he’s just going going on and on about how bad Shannon is. Like, how are you so dumb that you wouldn’t start to think, Oh, my God, he might treat me the same way if we ever break up, and
any normal person would react the way that you’re saying Amanda so, like, I completely agree. We’re also talking about housewives so and I feel like Alexis obviously being a full time housewife in past seasons, really thinking that this is her kind of like time to shine and maybe get back into the spotlight, is going to eat this up, like she is going to think that she really, I think, in her mind, thinks that like, she’s delivering, like these crazy whiners, she’s saying, like she I really think she, like, thinks she is the moment, and I hope she’s watching a bit thinking like, wow, I look like an asshole. But I don’t, and these women are so delighted.
I don’t think, like when she’s sitting there calling herself Lexi and like with the hairdos and she
just whacked. Also, when did she start going by Lexi? We’ve never heard anyone start calling her Lexi until this season. It is. She’s
a night branding everything I
can. It’s too much.
She’s annoying nightmare. She um, she’s on my BC list.
There’s so much. Larry. Larry, are you gonna hang with us for cocktail? Yeah, for sure. All right, guys, we love you. Thank you for listening. If you don’t follow Larry at Bravo by gaze, what are you even doing? Follow him. And I just feel like this was a very chaotic train. I was
like, I’m okay with it. I
love every second
we could go on. And we got so much. We got the valley. We’ll do that all on cocktail because we got to get your thoughts on, yeah, jacks of it all for sure, for sure.
Thank you so much for being here with us. Larry, we literally, I have missed you. I know BS too, but I yeah, it’s just so good to have you know.
I love you girls so much I would, literally, I wish I could come out every week the can
thanks guys till next time.