We are such big fans of Dana and are so excited to have her on the show this week. We get her real opinion on what procedures she thinks some of your favorite Bravo and Hollywood stars have gotten. She also answers our questions about getting facelifts in our 40s, and what kind of non-surgical beauty treatments give the best bang for their buck. And of course, we get her opinions on what’s happening on shows like Real Housewives of New Jersey, Vandperpump Rules, and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Check out Dana’s amazing content at @igfamousbydana on Instagram.
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What’s up? Cocktailers and Amanda, hi everybody, and we have an amazing guest today. You have heard us talk about her account and her content a ton. We’re both huge fans. So today we have Dana from at IG famous by Dana on Instagram. How are we talking when we talk about you all the time? Yay, hi. Thank you. I’m so excited to be here. So for any of you guys who are not familiar with Dina, I think most of you are. If you’re not, definitely follow her, but why don’t you just tell us a little bit about your account and your content. I’ve worked in the plastic surgery Med Spa world for a lot of years now, and I started the page because of that. And then I mix in my pop culture, my love for pop cultures. I’m talking about procedures, talking about plastic surgeries. We are trying to see if some of these celebrities and some of these pop culture stars, reality stars, have had work done. So we’re speculating. So that’s really fun. But then I also like to talk about their mess, because they’re so messy, especially the reality stars, so messy, so messy, I know. And I walk those right 100%
and I just asked Dana at the top of the pod before we actually signed on, I was like, Have you been watching jersey? We know there’s no reunion this year. They’re filming something on July 15, so she hasn’t been watching. Dana, tell the people why you haven’t been watching? Yes. So there’s a couple reasons. Actually, I did forget to mention that they’re not having a reunion. One of my favorite things is when they have a reunion. That’s also what made me get a little turned off about the valley, because that’s when I’m reminded of all the things that’s happened. People then apologize or or not, say I stand by what I did, or that’s not what happened. Whatever it is, I just feel like it’s just not as fun without the reunion, because that’s like the ultimate come to Jesus moment. So there’s that with New Jersey. But then also I Teresa. I’ve always been a huge fan. I’ve also always led Melissa. And then they’re going back and forth. At this point, it’s no longer fun. At first it was like, Ooh, like family drama, and now it’s just one of them has to leave the show, or they need to get over or something, because it’s not fun to watch anymore. So it was fun when they were friends, like when they were friends, they were super funny and fun together. I totally agree. A lot of it, I feel, is there they’re very similar. So when they’re together, and they’re great, like they have a lot of the same sense of humor and things like that, and then when they’re not, okay, we don’t need two of you on the show, and this season, I know you’re not watching, but it’s a it’s not even them interacting.
So it’s still been good because of other things. And I guess I like the drama, but I’m sure you’ve seen it memed all over, because I know you follow all US Bravo accounts about Jackie completely switching teams. Did you see any of this? Yes, I also have just been watching, like I actually watched a couple episodes yesterday in preparation for this, and I was picking up the ones that sounded like they’d be the most dramatic. And actually, Trey was like, Did someone just hit someone? I was like, oh, there was definitely a little bit of fiscal altercation. I think someone threw a drink. And it made me think of like with Potomac, when everyone was losing it about what’s her name, I can’t freak Monique. And I was like, Y’all don’t understand one of the best parts about jerseys. They don’t care. They’re like, I will go to jail. I will put my hands on somebody. I will throw something. I’ll throw a table, whatever it is. I’ll do it. Some of them have been to jail. The fight was Jen Aiden and Danielle got into it. Essentially, Jen Aiden did this charity event, her Teresa and Dolores with Danielle, and it was like an unspoken thing that Danielle would just be their soldier. And so now Danielle, this season, is friends with Rachel FUDA, who’s at odds with Teresa. She’s trying to be friends with everyone, so Jen basically is turning on her and looking for a reason to validate her not being friends with her. And she, instead of saying, Ah, man, because you’re not me and Teresa soldier, she accuses her of paying herself or, quote, unquote, stealing from the charity. Oh, and then I think we should actually give data this scenario and ask her what she would do. I hope you don’t mind being put on the spot. Go ahead. So say you have another friend who has a large following, and you have somebody who is giving you free hair extensions and in in in return for posting and them using your lightness and they ask this person, this hair extension. Person asks your friend if they would do it too, but doesn’t give that friend any details. Do you call the friend and say, Hey, I know so and so has asked you to do this. I just wanted to make sure that you know you’re not going to get paid, and to make sure that you’re not going to cause any drama with your usual hair person. Would you do? You do that? What do you do? Honestly, it’s not my business the person who offered the hair extensions. It is their responsibility to say, I’m not paying you for this. I’m not you need a post, whatever it is. If they don’t give them that outline, then that’s on them. So if the other person doesn’t post, doesn’t do whatever, sorry to the hair extension person. You didn’t say that. Now, if they come to me and say, Oh, hey, like your hair, person came and blah, blah, blah, and they now want me to post and I would like you to pay me, I’d be like, nope, not my problem, not my Mikey, not my circus. So I would stay out of it until they brought it to me, and then I would be like,
yeah, it’s not my father. Y’all don’t know how to do this. And vice versa. If your friend with the large following didn’t get paid and then saw her likeness on the website, you would say to her, didn’t you talk about the terms I was involved in that conversation? She gave you the thing. She took pictures of you, and now she’s using your likeness in exchange for free product. So you would stay out of it. I would and if they did come to me and say they didn’t pay me, I would be like, you should know, there’s no such thing as a free lunch. They didn’t give you hair extensions for no reason. They didn’t want to just have it be like, Oh yeah, Dana, wore my hair extensions and I don’t have any pictures. I can’t post anything about it. No, like, when it was offered to you, it is a proposed or am I getting paid? Or what do you expect? And if they don’t, you don’t ask, then you can’t be upset when they do use your pictures, in my opinion, you like I said, no such thing as free lunch. Yeah, I agree with that. And I actually agree with not getting involved. I think that’s smart, and I’m sure not at TV, because I’d be like, not my problem. You’re like, that’s probably what, why we’re not on on Real Housewives, right? We have to talk, we’re going to talk plastic surgery for all of our favorite reality stars. But we know our jersey women are some of them are much more honest than other people in so Dolores. So who’s had work? Who might we be surprised from that cast? I even saw a picture of Jackie recently from her first season, and her face looks significantly different. But it also, if you look at it, looks like it’s probably just like lip filler, cheek filler, like, I don’t think she’s had plastic surgery, per se. So where do we start? I guess we’ll start with Jackie. Since I just mentioned her, have any of them not had a boob job, they all boobs. I’m trying to Margaret, had a lift, if not a full job, boob jobs, aren’t they the I remember you did a post about what the most popular and then what the heaviest satisfaction features are, and that’s up there, right? Yeah, I was actually talking about Dr Ashley Steinberg, so boob job.
Nose, nose job, bluffs, chin, lipo. Those are, like, consistently, like top five that people do over every year, boob, John’s and left just for people who don’t know that’s the one. That’s the eyelid. Yes, yes, I don’t know. Like looking at Jackie, she’s definitely, she’s had a nose job, that’s for sure. I’m looking at her pictures right now. She’s definitely had a nose job since she literally show, yeah, she’s been on the show. It looks she’s, oh my gosh. Her eyes are lifted. I don’t know if it’s a brow lift from this one picture. I’m not sure if it’s a brow lift or what, but her whole face kind of looks lifted. But I think she looks great. I think, no, they all look great. I think that like someone like Jackie is a good example of people who like improve what they have. She doesn’t look different if you just look at her. But then when you see the first season she was on, you’re like, Oh, my God, she looks it’s a glow up, right? But every single housewife is like this, even the ones you’ve had worked on prior to getting on the show, there’s something about that step between the first season and the second or third season, where I guess they’ve been watching themselves on TV, and they’re like, Oh my God. And not that they look bad, but I guess it’s that whole watching yourself. And there’s just always a huge step between that first and third season, for sure. And then if they’ve been on for a very long time, a really great example is Kyle. When you look at her now and you compare her to her first season, it’s insane. The difference is we knew that she was getting worse and we knew she was getting better, looking more a glow up. But then side by side is when you’re like, wow, the impact.
So I had such good work done? Yeah, he did. So we shall just say, I don’t know, when you ask, Who would we be surprised that did have work done? I don’t think you would be. I would argue that every single person on this show, at least New Jersey, has had something done, even if it is just spillers and stuff. But I would argue most of them have probably had more than just that. And if you just look at boobs alone, like There you go. Can I ask you a question? Of course, I don’t know what you know about this, but I was seeing all over social media for a time. I feel like I see it less now, a lot of women were having their implants taken out because they felt sick from them. Yes, can you tell us a little bit about that? So that’s called breast implant illness. We don’t know the actual occurrence rate right now. It seems pretty rare. Again, we don’t know what causes it. It could be like an autoimmune situation. Anytime we have something placed in our bodies, there’s a chance that our bodies rejected. That’s even getting things like kidneys, if you get like a heart transplant, the average age of a kidney transplant is about 10 years before bodies can may reject it, not always, not even in most, but around that time, for some reason, people’s bodies are like, we don’t know if we love this anymore. I feel like it’s probably about the same with with implants, where, again, we don’t know what causes it anyway. That being said, I feel like it sounded like everyone was removing their implants, but I don’t think everyone was. I think it was just it was so loud and it seemed so new, and we were seeing it everywhere. But it was a, still, a pretty small percentage of people who were removing their implants. That makes sense. And I feel like it probably scared a lot of people who were considering it as well. I know I heard it. I was like, that’s scary, yeah, because the people who were going through the issues, which it is, it’s very debilitating when you do get it, I think that a lot of it was fear mongering. This is definitely going to happen for you. This is definitely they oversold. Like, how frequently it happens, if that makes sense, but a lot of people who already had implants are like, I’ve never had a problem. I’ve had these for 22 years. And so those are both anecdotal things. Neither one of those are rooted in science, whether you had a great experience or a bad experience, and unfortunately, we just don’t have enough science to know what causes it, who’s most at risk. Is there a certain type of implant? Is there a certain type of like, the way that they perform the surgery, like over the muscle, under the muscle, we don’t know yet, unfortunately. So we need a lot more data before we can start to assimilate that. I have to ask your opinion on Rachel fess not Rachel Fessler. Rachel food is nose job. I think she’s gorgeous, but you see a lot of memes and people. And I even saw her on Instagram last season, doing a live and commented, I know I have a bad nose job. It is what it is your thoughts, what you said about Jackie, that she did with what she had. I’ve always said that the best plastic surgery is going to take into account your entire face or your entire body. What are your natural features? What is your natural shape, and just enhancing that, versus completely changing your face. So, for example, with me, like, if someone wanted to do my nose and they wanted to give me that teeny, tiny nose, like Rachel, like a very I don’t know if you guys are going to need to post a picture or something of me, but I have a pretty like boldness nose. I have a rather large.
And this after a pretty minor nose job, but I was 18, is that if I were to have suddenly a very slender than nose the actual skin on my face is thicker. So first of all, it’s not going to settle on the on tiny cut up bones very well. And then it’s going to look like depressed in certain areas where it might look pinched or it’s not supposed to flip up so much. It’s going to make that space like the whole reason why I had a lip lift was that I have a longer Bill trim. It’s going to make that space look even longer. So if you just look at someone else’s nose, oh my god, Megan Fox’s nose is perfect. That’s what I want. And you try to put that on your face, first of all, they can’t ever make it look exactly like that. And then, how is it interacting with the rest of your features? How is it interacting with the with your type of bone and cartilage? Like, where you have bone, where you have cartilage, your skin, etc, and that’s how you have a bad nose job. So it depends on what you’re asking for, and it also can depend on if you’re going to a surgeon who only does cut and paste type noses, like if every single nose job that they do looks a certain way, unless you have the right foundation for that type of nose, like your face, everything, it’s probably not going to look good. Just saying, I actually want to just jump in here too and say because, just because we’re talking about this, do you might not know, but B and I joke all the time, but it’s not like, really a joke, because we’re actually going to do it at some point. We’re both going to get faceless at some point. We are big believers in anybody doing whatever they want to do. So this is by no means meant to be like, sound judgy to anybody. And B just brought that up, because even Rachel’s, yeah, I know I don’t have the best nose job, but I think that is one of the best explanations for and like, some good guidance, I think too for, like, when people like good questions to ask, when they are going, especially with the nose job, because The nose changes the entire character of the face. I
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honestly, anything can change your entire face. People don’t realize it, like when I was getting my lip lift, or when I got my blood, I didn’t get a very severe one because I have hooded eyes, but I didn’t want to it to be completely not hooded. And people didn’t understand that. They were like, why would you even do surgery if you were going to keep your eyes a little hooded. I’m like, what you don’t understand is my eyes are like all this. I don’t have much of a forehead that sticks out. If I get it really severe, I’m gonna look like my eyes are bulging and like, little tiny, incremental changes, like a couple millimeters off here I took 2.3 millimeters off my lip lift, a very subtle nose job. When you look at my before and afters, I look better, like people are like, I just don’t know what you did, or I’ve watched you do these surgeries and didn’t think anything of it. But then when you post your before, that’s what I’m going for. I’m going for myself, but somehow better. So sometimes it is and no disrespect to Rachel, she feels how she feels about her nose. But if she had just maybe take into account like, okay, my nose is a little bulbous on the tip, or it’s a little too long. I don’t know what her before nose look like. I’m just throwing stuff out. Or maybe she has a bump. I want the bump to be less noticeable or less obvious, or straight my nose a little bit, things like that, as opposed to, I want this teeny, tiny nose that I’ve seen on someone else, or I see in this after, I think she’d be a lot happier, and it would go with her face more. And the thing about noses is it’s one of the few procedures that we cannot fix. We got scary. That’s the scary part we can try, but there’s only so much we can do, especially once you make the nose too small, I right, because you can’t build it back. I think an example of a great nose job. And again, I’m assuming, but I pretty sure you’ll confirm, is someone like allegedly, is someone like Jennifer Lopez? Definitely, allegedly with her? Yes, because it doesn’t look like if she never got the nose job, she would like all these people are still gorgeous, and I second Amanda’s point. This is not me passing judgment. I am willing open. I get Botox. I’ve gotten filler. I get a little in my lips. Your lips thin as you get older, you should put a little in your lips like you have celebrity. Obviously, they just get bigger. Naturally, nobody would know. Nobody that knew me at 25 now at 42 would know, because I literally get enough to where I have the lips I had in my 20s. And as you get older, the same way, you lose collagen, you lose right fullness in your lips, all that kind of stuff. But I think Jennifer Lopez, if you look at her before, she didn’t have a perfect like slope on her nose, and now she does, but the overall shape is the same. It was a little bulbous at the tip and a little bit wider. And she did make it just a little bit a little more, a little smaller, and then just change the slip. You’re right, but it wasn’t a crazy, dramatic thing, and that’s a perfectly well done nose job. So I have a question for you, Teresa, so her hairline moved. What do you think? Because she used to get teased about it, and yeah, she would talk about it. And then, then that has changed. So as a fellow three heads, yeah, my three fingers on my forehead, I feel that mine’s not so severe as hers. Yeah, it makes her face look crowded, especially because she has these gorgeous, huge eyes she has, like this really beautiful, wide, large mouth. I mean, that’s a really good way, like in that Julia Roberts, like this wider, beautiful mouth. It crowds her face, so she definitely made a little bit more proportional by changing her hairline. The easiest way to change like the shorn hairline is to literally just laser the hairline back. There are also surgical ways that you can do that. So I’m not sure which way she did that, but the easiest would have been laser. But laser is not totally permanent, and it can’t necessarily there. There’s good there’s really good things you can do for lasering or electrolysis of your hairline. But she also could have surgically pulled it back. I think it looks great. She still has a smaller forehead. It’s not like she gave herself this high or whatever it’s called, like large model forehead, but it definitely changed up their proportions, and it made opened up her face more, which works with her really beautiful large eyes. In my opinion, Teresa is also a good example of somebody who she had a nose job. And prior to her nose job, I would never have been like, Oh, she should get an ocean you know what I’m saying, but I think it looks beautiful on her, like, I think it’s very nicely done. I agree. I actually like all of her work, except for, I think she overdid her lips a little personally, just because she already has such large features and her mouth is wider when you get it more full, it just looks a little much to me. But everyone has different tastes, and that must be her esthetic. But the rest of her work, I think she actually does really great work. And her nose her daughter got nose jobs together around the same time. I believe GIA, yeah, and I love G as nose job. It’s, again, everyone’s taste is a little different, but I think it really again, they all these.
Large, beautiful, like green eyes. It just just stunned, and it allowed that to take center focus. We can’t discuss jersey and nose jobs without Melissa, because we know that the big running thing is that she had five nose jobs, which, I doubt it’s five, but it is more than one, right? Yes, it looks like she just wasn’t happy, like it wasn’t small enough the first time, and then after that, she was trying to fix it. So the thing is, about any plastic surgery, the first one is the easiest to do for any surgeon, and usually the least expensive. From there, each consecutive surgery is more expensive and there are fewer surgeons who perform it. So revision surgeries, like usually, there are very few surgeons that you’ll find who’ll do a third nose job, like they just won’t do it, not just for their own but for another surgeon, definitely, like after another surgeon has touched someone’s nose a couple times. Obviously, rules are a little different for the super wealthy and celebrities, but it’s because each time there, first of all, there’s less cartilage to work with. It’s at this point, this is the shape that your nose is going to be, and there’s very little we can do. You can add volume to your nose, a permanent volume. We do fat graft, or not fat grafting, I’m sorry, cartilage grafting usually from your ribs. It is very expensive, yeah. So we take cartilage from your floating ribs and we can add more to the structure. But again, it’s not a it’s not going to ever be what it was before. So I am more of a do a little less than a little more, but it feels like the first time she felt like it wasn’t as I guess it wasn’t as small and defined as she wanted. But when I look at her before, she didn’t have the type of nose that should be very small and defined. And again, she is literally stunning. I’m not a huge fan of her nose, but again, different esthetic, but she did other stuff right. Like the shape of her face from first season is different, and it is good work. She is gorgeous. She was always pretty, but now she’s definitely blown up. What else is the rest? Just fill her
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No, I I’m looking at her pictures, she has a really good bluff. It looks like and probably eyebrow lift, but definitely the bluff there. So when I look at her first season, she had hooded eyes that were very similar to mine. Her eyes aren’t like they don’t stick out like mine do. So she could go a little bit more. Yeah, she has a great bluff. Allegedly, veneer, you and eyebrow left. Oh, she denies veneers. She says those are her real teeth. And I actually want to get angry bears I’m looking because she always had those big teeth, even when she was first on let me look again, because in this picture, it looks like they’re pushing out on her lips, but it could be that her lips are just that filled. I’m actually going to be working with a really amazing veneer cosmetic dentist here in Houston to learn exactly how it changes your face. Like I’m pretty good at seeing veneers. But how does it change people’s faces? I saw that you I don’t.
If you made a reel, or you made a post where you said you were, like, wanting to get into learning more about veneers, because I feel like as they get more common and more noticeable, like somebody like Carl from summer house, which did you watch summer house this season? Because we have to get into that. If you did,
no, I’m so sorry. I’ve been a really terrible brava fan this year. I don’t know what it is. It’s every single everywhere has just been letting me down, like you have Beverly Hills, who won’t actually show their real drama, like they have so much going on in their lives. And we have to go back and forth on whether this Morgan is is Kyle’s girlfriend or not, which I believe that she was. But when sane stuff is happening in the background and behind the scenes that we’re not allowed to talk about on camera. So that was killing me. Banner pump rules, like the way that they tried to produce it and tell us how we’re we. They knew that we were going to feel and when we ended up not feeling that way, I just felt like it was. I don’t know how to explain that. I know that it’s not fully unscripted, but it felt like they were trying to really make a skill a certain way, and when it didn’t happen, it was just lackluster, and you’re making us all turn on. Ariana, yeah, I felt like they were trying to give. They were trying too hard to give him a redemption art Tom, which is fine to try to set it up, but if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. That’s the point of it being reality and then telling us we’re gonna hate Ariana and Katie, like they’re, they’re gonna be something like, I thought that they were from the way that they were talking about it. Lala was talking about it. I thought Ariana was maybe gonna get a really big head, not once. In fact, she was too humble. In my opinion. I agree so much. You know, I’ve been like, my face, and I’m gonna pretend to get to the beach. I don’t know. I heard Ariana is not coming back, and I hope that she doesn’t, for her sake, how, right? She’s too good for it, and they really did her dirty. And I don’t know why production wanted to give him. I understand the attempt, because Okay, to do such a 180 is great TV. But to your point, when they saw it wasn’t working, when they had to have private sessions with Sheena and Lala clearly convincing them, you know what I’m saying for what, he doesn’t deserve it. And is he such a draw that he brings viewers in, if anything, I think that the viewers back Ariana, and what work has Ariana had dunks? I feel like she hasn’t had much, maybe a little lit, perfect work done. I’ll get to her really quick as I want to say this. And it pains me to say because I was always such a huge Lisa Vanderpump fan. She I think she is the culprit. I think that, first of all, she has a weird affinity for the guys. She forgives them and gives them entirely too much grace, while giving the women very little grace, and that’s so true. I just want to add to that. Go ahead. I didn’t mean to interrupt you. I’m sorry. Go ahead. I’ve been talking a lot. Think of Kristen, right? Kristen has the one situation, and she’s essentially banished from Lisa’s life. James has pulled so much crap, and he is and his mom are having dinner with Lisa, and she welcomes him back with open arms. That is such a good point that I’ve never thought of, even if you think about Stasi, when Jax had cheated on her multiple times, but with Kristen, she was over here trying to talk Stasi, and so maybe forgive him, work through your feelings. Definitely he’s in the wrong. But what were you gonna move with this? Or whatever? I can’t even remember now so many years that she was not on Jack’s side directly, but like, you could tell her goal was for stas to, like, not refuse to film a Jax, yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah, 100% and I think it was just more glaring with the Ariana Tom thing, because not only are they older, but as an audience, we are older, and it was more of a committed relationship and so much of a bigger portrayal. I remember when Ariana first went to her house, right when she found out, and cut to lvps Confessional, and she’s, what do you expect? You have your boyfriend around a gorgeous model? What did you think was gonna happen? It’s we what literally and when she was like, I would hate for if he killed himself and it be on us? No, are you kidding me? First of all, Tom would never kill himself over this. He’s, I think he’s enjoying it. He even enjoys being the villain. I don’t care, but he’d rather be the loved one, but if he’s not, as long as he’s getting attention, he’s happy. But yeah, I just feel like she thinks that Tom both the tons are an extension of her brand, and she always is. She’s not for the girls, let’s say that she’s never for the they are an extension. But the thing is, how many times have her and Ken both said they only own 5% and all this. So it’s, I don’t know, yeah, but I think, do you think Tom Tom and all of that would actually do really well if the show were off, if, for you know, their shows gone for a couple years? Do you think Tom Tom is going to be this super cool West Hollywood place to go? Because right now, I think it’s like a touristy I don’t do people. I’m not from West.
Hollywood. So if you know the answer, if any of your listeners know the answer, do people just go to Tom for fun? Oh, every Friday, or first Friday of the month, we go to Tom? Does anyone do that? I feel like it’s probably a tourist spot, exactly. So if there’s no, if the show’s gone, there’s no tourists to go see Tom. Right? True.
That’s what I think happened, which is unfortunate, because that’s ultimately what killed the show. That could have kept tom tom in business, in my opinion, but yeah, I mean, outside, they’re out of business. I just think that van der pump is a mess, and nobody really knows what’s going to happen. We’ve heard Ariana is not back. I don’t know what it looks like. I’m interested to hear obviously, it’s a cash cow. They’re coming back. Even the idea that they’re not as ridiculous. Do you think that they would just move some of these people over to the valley? Though, initially we thought that, but as time goes, I think the Valley had a really good first season with an established cast. And I’m not saying they wouldn’t, but they’re certainly not looking to pay Sheena and Lala what they were getting paid at Vanderpump. That’s not an option. You know what I mean, because they’re paying the rest of these guys less, even Jackson, Brittany and Kristen, who were established. I’m sure they made a little more than the brand newbies, but they didn’t pay them like they were making on Vanderpump, because they were lucky to be back on TV. So the budget isn’t where Vanderpump budget is, and they did fine without Lala and Sheena, and that will be their bargaining point. I’m sure when they offer them a lot less money to do it, you’re right. I polled my followers. I was like, How are we feeling like now that this is over? I did have a Vanderpump party, the watch party, and it was just, I really liked the reunion, but it did feel like it was over for me, like I wouldn’t be watching the next year. I just was like, I don’t feel like I don’t feel like there’s anything left for me to watch. And I pulled my powers, and I think it was something like 80 something percent that our banner pump fans are not interested in another season. So Yikes. Yeah, like they’re like, they’re over Lala. They’re over Sheena. And especially now that everyone has, like, kids, and they’re married, and then they hate Tom Sandoval. Tom Schwartz says, hit or miss, they Ariana won’t be back. Ariana might not be back. Now, a lot of people don’t believe Katie will come back, and so they’re that. So anyway, it was like some 80 something percent of the people who do watch Vanderpump are like, probably not going to watch next season either. And I was like, oh, so we all feel this way. We feel this kind of way about Vanderpump. We have a cocktail party about Sheena, sorry, Amanda, and yeah, it feels like it’s a hook to get people back on board. But apparently she wrote a tell all and one of my followers, let’s just say we got an inside track that in her memoir is a story, or will be a story, about how Brock had a physical affair, so not just emotional, because we can all like whatever while she was pregnant with summer moon. Now, if this is true, and this is in the book, I have to imagine this is Sheena’s attempt at relevancy. But who do you think that you cheated on her with unless it’s a random in which case, no offense, I don’t care.
I’m gonna go with random. I don’t think it’s Lala. And I also think that, if this is true, why did Sheena talk about it this season, since we were all writing Ariana to show her truth, right? I don’t know. So I’m not saying that I don’t feel bad for Sheena that happened, but, and I like Brock as who he is, but I feel like who he is while we see that he doesn’t take care of his other kids that I don’t know, he doesn’t strike me as a very like loyal and he seems like, I would say, starter has been but she’s been married before. Seems like a starter has been dancing. So if he, with his newfound fame and whatever, slept with some girl in Vegas or whatever, I’d be like, great. Every single one of the guys on this show have done that. I’m not interested in that. But if it were someone that we even casually know on the show, one of the kind of friends of or something, or like Billy Lee, not saying that that happened, sorry. Billy Lee, listening, then I would be interested. I’d be like, Oh, so you guys really don’t care about fucking over your friends. Are you a Sheena fan? I’m just curious. Yes and no, I love her because she is just the Sheena show. Like, all the time, everything is about her. I’ve always thought this about her, but it was made more apparent this year and last year, right? I don’t know, like, I feel like, in her mind everything, like, everything is literally, when I say a show, she’s rehearsing for something, all eyes are going to be on her. This is her moment. Why didn’t she get her moment? Not enough people ask for her autograph. I feel like that’s what’s going on in her head all the time. And I love that for her, but I don’t think I could be friends with someone like that. Personally, I’d be like, please, it’s not about you go sit over there while we figure this out. The adults are going to talk.
That’s the conversation we have a lot on the pod. These reality stars fall into a couple categories, and one of them is they make awesome TV, but they’re brutal, and I would not want to hang out with them. And for me.
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yeah, so like with other people, I feel like they definitely all them produce to some extent, right? Like they want to show what they want to show on TV and what they want to hide or whatever. So I couldn’t figure out if, when she keeps going. Tom was so good to me. Sandoval, he was so good to me. He lent me money that one time. Like he’s always been there for me because he lent me money that one time. And I’m like, Girl, he also laughed when you were getting an assault charge. And like Pete, he I’m sorry, you could lend me a million dollars and that wouldn’t take that wouldn’t take precedence over the fact that you thought it was funny and you stood by the person and whatever, when I was getting charged with assault and getting all that can’t even be at the reunion because of this bullshit. And I’m not saying she did or didn’t hit her, I don’t know, but I’m just saying, like he stood by that and was not on her side at all, that, to me, is way worse and could never, doesn’t I don’t know. I’m like, falling over my words, loaning me money doesn’t cover that. Embrace everything. Yeah, are you kidding me? I don’t know. And I’m just like, does she know she sounds really silly saying this, or does she truly think, oh, no, we have to be friends because he lent me money one time. Okay, I think she was doing what production wanted them to do and give him his redemption arc. And I also think more even than that is that so long as he’s filming, Sheena never wants to be fully on the outs with anybody filming, because she always wants to maximize relevancy and screen time. You’re right. You’re right. Okay, I have a just a general question for you, and not to make it about me, but I’m gonna use me as an example. Make it about you. Sheena,
as a woman in my 40s, like I am afraid to get filler I am so this is somebody I have been doing Botox since I was 29 so it’s not that I’m scared of needles, it’s not that I’m scared of doing things. I’m just scared, and I think partly it might be because of watching reality TV, where I see so much filler. I’m just scared. It could change my appearance. And I also am just hearing so much about people getting it dissolved. Do you think filler as a way to create a more youthful appearance is going out of style? And do you think the trend is going to more actual surgical intervention, like facelifts, lower, faceless brow lifts, bluff, whatever? So a couple of things, the surgery is always going to be there. Surgery and filler do two different things. So I don’t think filler is going out of style. I think being overfilled or trying to change your face with filler is lessening. So if you’re doing it for rejuvenation, which is what it sounds like, Oh my gosh. Are you anonymous? I didn’t even catch your name. You can call me Amanda. Yeah, it’s okay. Not Amanda, bravo. Oh, B, B,
sorry, you can cut that part out. So like how B said she she gets lip filler just to look like what she did when she was youthful. So that is rejuvenation. So there’s, I just forgot the word I talk about all the time. So rejuvenation is just getting back to what you’ve had.
One before, and then the other one is where you’re like, actually changing your features. And so if you bring in a picture of what you looked like 1020, years ago, and it’s, you’re never gonna look exactly like that. By the way. You’re not gonna look 20. But if you’re like, I just have a depression right here in my cheeks, but it used to be a little bit more pop. They can do that. It’s not gonna look crazy. But if you’re like, Okay, I’ve always had low cheekbones, and I want really high wings. It’s going to take more filler. And again, changing your face, there’s not to say that it’s a bad thing, because I’ve changed my face a little here or there, but completely changing your faces when you get into that, getting overdone, looking like you have too much going on that being said, like a facelift, for example, we do move some of your soft tissue back to where it was, and do all that when you’re doing a facelift, but you also have all you want. So even if we move the volume back to where it was, it’s still going to be less volume. So you can do filler, you can do fat transfer. Fat transfer is pretty permanent. You will lose it again with age. If you live 2030, years past your facelift, you are going to lose some of that fat again, and things are going to fall again, but otherwise it’s pretty permanent. And so that is an option. If you are doing a facelift, or even without, you can do it’s called a micro fat transfer. And you would just like, where you used to have more fat in your face, you would add it, you know, back to that area. I have a follow up question to that. Go ahead. So for those of us who are starting to see, so we’re not quite there for a facelift yet, but you are starting to see, I don’t want to say jowls, but like, you know what that area next to your chin down? Yeah, resting bitch face is what I call it like, Yes, I it’s pulling my it’s pulling my mouth down a little bit. Yeah. Well, think of a thread. What is your theory on thread? If at 42 you do a thread to postpone the facelift until you’re 48 are you for that, or do you think threads are ineffective? I personally don’t like threads. I think they a lot of times they’re ineffective. When they are effective, it’s only for a couple years, if even and then they can cause like hard scar tissue that makes it more difficult to have a really nice facelift result. Not always. Some people like it just depends. Everyone’s a little different, but honestly, most of that. So people call it lower facelift. But a true facelift is just like from your like jawline to your cheeks up this, not the top third of your forehead. That’s a facelift, but we’ll call it lower facelift, because people don’t really know the difference. Most people, and I’m not saying need, as in, they need to go out and do it, but around 30 to 45 is when we see a lot of this starting to fall. That is actually a really good time to have a facelift. And that’s how you get the really natural looking results. Because if you once you get to a certain point, it’s not that it doesn’t look natural. It’s just that the skin integrity, especially with the I don’t know how to say this, because usually I need to show visuals for people to like, really understand. But it’s just that’s a really great time around 4045, maybe 50, depending on just how great your skin integrity is. To do that facelift, which is a lower facelift, usually the top part of our threads don’t really start to get too much fullness and hanging and stuff until past 50. So then at that point, depending on when you do your the lower part, you might either just do the the top later on, or maybe again, skin your genetics, your skin integrity. Did you end up having a facelift at 30? A lot of celebrities do. Maybe when you’re 5060, you do the bottom again and the top. So it just depends. I don’t know. I’m 34 about to be 35 and I’m like, I’m probably going to have lower but the bottom part by 40, you are the one. So there’s two people who got me asking this, because I never would have considered it 40, that I would even be thinking this, I’m 42 but Sarah, Jessica Parker, and I’ve quoted this a couple times, was on Howard Stern, and she said the reason she never did the facelift was because she missed the good one before 50. So that stuck in my head. Dana’s nodding along. I didn’t know that she said that, but again, it doesn’t mean anyone has to have it. Just need to say that. Yeah, everyone’s running out. Don’t worry, guys, Dana will get us a discount, a group cocktail or discount. But here’s somebody said this to me, and I initially thought, No way. And then I was like, she probably did, and she’s a doctor, and I’m talking about Dr Nicole, the gorgeous, wonderful Dr Nicole. Couple of followers reached out a couple times, and they were like, she definitely did a lower facelift. And I’m like, Are you crazy? She’s not even 40. But now I’m like, so a lot of people have and do, allegedly, you have Jennifer Lopez and Gwen Stefani, who they did. So when people think the ponytail lift, they think it’s just this. The ponytail lift is a full facelift so that lower part midface and the eyes. I can never say his name. Is it? Dr Kao, or is it Dr cow in Beverly Hills, they so they did the ponytail left, allegedly with him in around their 40s. There, I’m not sure who all, because there, there are celebrities that have told me that they’ve done stuff, but then they’re.
Like, please don’t tell anyone. And I felt like this. I’m trying to think of who has said that. I can say, Oh, wait, Teddy Mellencamp, she Exactly, yeah. So she says, neck lift, but she did a neck and she did a facelift. She didn’t touch, I don’t think her top third, but when you do that mid face, that is a facelift. But she did her neck as well. And that was what that jawline that you were talking about, it keeps touching my face, as if anyone’s gonna see this, right here is what she was pulling up, and that is the cheeks and jawline, yeah, like around your mouth, the mid face, the jawline. But then she also did the neck, which, that’s a second procedure. It’s done together, but it’s technically a separate procedure or neck lift, but a lot of people around the time when you’re having that jowling, the softness around your jawline, you’re also having the softness in your neck and our neck, our chest, our hands. That shows age. I’ve been using Retin A on my hands since I was like 28 probably and that I feel has kept my hands, because I can even see the difference between my hands and my forearms because I didn’t do it on my forearms. That’s amazing. You should talk about that, or let me talk about that for you. I don’t know
I did laser on my hands recently, but I’ve been and I’ve been doing retinol, but I revision gave me this neck cream that there’s a lot of like, really great science behind it. Personally, I haven’t used it long enough, and my neck is I’m 34 but I’ve been using it on my hands. And I swear I can feel difference too, like my I’m like, I’m so happy with my hands when the world is
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a recent facelift is Jill’s. Have you seen her facelift? She was very open. She posted all about it. She did the fat grafting, I believe that you’re talking about, yes, because faceless lift, reposition or soft tissue. But if you have the fat loss, which most of us do with age, you need to fix that. Otherwise you just look tight but bony or thin in the face her, I think her facelift looks amazing. Yeah, it’s not even really settled or healed at all. No, not yet, and it’ll just look better, which I’m glad you said that, because a lot of people will be like, she got a facelift, and it looks awful. And I’m like, Yeah, did you guys not remember? I couldn’t even smile for a month,
right? So how long does it take for a facelift to settle? So people are like, okay, downtime for a facelift is actually one to two weeks. So that’s one to two weeks of maybe some bruising when you’re getting your sutures out, things like that. But most people aren’t going to really know two or three. They might just think your face looks a little puffy, maybe. But for it’s like really subtle where you can make all your expressions. You can smile normal. It looks super natural. Usually it’s about six months to a year. So when people like a facelift, takes a year of downtime. It doesn’t like you can go and be at work a week later, no bruising, like, maybe a little bit of swelling that no one notices but you. But when people go, Oh, my God, you look really good. Is like at that six month mark, maybe a little later, depending on how quickly you heal, younger people heal more quickly. So it can even be four months, okay? And then I have it. So I have so many questions for you, if you like, what non surgical procedures are you think the most bang? Because a lot of us lasers have very for interrupting lasers, yeah, okay, tell us, because a lot of us have, you know, maybe some disposable income, but not the time too, for a facelift. Like, tell us, like, just bang for your buckwise, tie more money or both. What kind of lasers I was gonna say, like a CO two laser, or something like Halo, things like that, like your ablative and non ablative fractionals. Those are amazing. But for example, a CO two, like, the downtime is about one to two weeks, and if you’re doing on your.
Face, like, you will be flaky, like, like, bad flaky a week or so later. So if you’re talking about downtime, that’s about the same as a facelift, but that treats something different. It will have some skin tightening and some of that amazingness, but what you’re doing is you’re helping your skin integrity. So the thing is, it’s like surgery and going to the gym, people are like, she didn’t get surgery. She just went to the gym. And I’m like, surgery in the gym do two very different things, dieting, surgery in the gym, all three do different things, and it’s the same with these like facial procedures, so filler or fat grafting or fat transfer to your face, Botox lasers, and like surgical things, like facelifts, they all do very different things. So when I was talking about, oh my god, Kristen Wiig, and she has an amazing alleged facelift, people were like, how could she have possibly had a facelift if she still has wrinkles, it doesn’t address skin integrity. So that’s like, her skin health, your skin, if you have really thin, like crepey skin, you are pulling it, but you can’t pull it so tight that there’s no wrinkles. But the reason why she saw us wrinkles with that is because she maybe didn’t do the lasers, she maybe didn’t do the retinol, she didn’t do those things that would have made her skin a little bit thicker, which thicker skin doesn’t wrinkle as easily. So once you do the facelift, it’s the just the skin elasticity and integrity is better, if that makes sense. Sorry to interrupt, but I want to get this in while we’re on this. Would you recommend doing the lasers before the facelift? Or it doesn’t matter, you can do the facelift and then you can laser. Is there a time that it’s better to see the integrity of the skin pre or post facelift. Prevention is always better. So if you’re already getting to not needing but thinking about a facelift, you probably should have been working on that, like doing your retinols, doing lasers. So usually you do three to five sessions of certain lasers, sometimes one to three, depending like a CO two. You’re not going to do like a session of five. And then there’s maintenance, different types of lasers, micro needling that you’ll do maybe once a year, once or twice a year. That’s like, your just your maintenance of it, if you’ve never had it before. There are lots and lots of surgeons that will encourage you to do a CO two, maybe while you’re doing it. Like they can do it while you’ve done the facelift. So they’re, I don’t know, I can’t remember which one they do first, but like they’re about to cut your face open, they do laser, they do the facelift, and you’ll heal through all of that together. That being said, a CO two actually has a little bit of a longer downtime than surgery. If you’re getting a facelift, might as well do it. It’s a holy grail laser, but it’s never too late. It’s just all prevention for anything is always easier than fixing something like retroactive fixing is always more difficult. So I was like Amanda, I’ve been getting Botox, not since 29 but probably 31 Yeah, and I remember I was getting it one day, and my injector said to me, you’re addressing the wrinkles, but I’m Italian, but I’m half Irish, so I have skin that gets sunspots very easily. We’ll call them freckles, but they’re sunspots. So I did, and I wish I knew which the laser, but I did the laser that like, I guess, IPL, IPL, and it looked like I scrubbed my face really good. There was no Botox, no anything. I looked brighter, fresher, and then I won’t do it. So now, after summer, because I live in New York, even if I wear my sunblock, I try to wear the hat. Listen, I’m a former tanning bag girl, okay, my generation.
But if I do that in the fall, like you look younger just from that laser, just from getting those spots off your face, it’s incredible. Yeah, people don’t realize that there’s more to aging than just wrinkles. So there are other visual ways that we see aging. So first of all, it can be like, the lack of soft tissue or the dropping of soft tissue, and people are like, Oh, Black don’t crack. Like they never have wrinkles. I’m like, Yeah, but they’ll still have tissue that’s fallen, and we still read that as an older face if you have like things that are lengthening, like your eyelids, maybe you’re drooping your lips. I had a longer filtering genetically, but with age, everyone’s filtering gets longer. That’s what looks like when you see older people. Looks like their lips are folding under, rolling under. Their filtering has fallen because of gravity. It’s loosened and age spots, sunspots, marks like that, they just read as older. So you can take care of the wrinkles. But if you’re not addressing your skin health, sunscreen prevention, if you’re not addressing skin health, and that includes discoloration, that includes soft tissue loss or falling, you’re still going to read a little older. Okay, another I wanted to, we wanted to talk more. Bravo with you, but we, I have so many questions. Okay, so eyebrow blindness is something we’re hearing a lot about on social media, which the whole ideas eyebrow blindness. Never heard of it. Okay, so people like have a super blocky eyebrow.
Didn’t realize that it looks like it did. Am I? Yeah, okay, yeah, or they keep adding and doing more and like they don’t realize. So do you think that there is a similar thing with plastic surgery and filler, right? Because people will do thing after thing and kind of get blind to what their face looks like. Yes. So two things, I always used to encourage patients to have a picture of them before so that they can compare and be like, Oh, wow. Because not just before every procedure, but before their very first procedure, and they can look at it side by side, because sometimes it’s hard to stay grounded to like what you looked like before. I’d have patients who would come in and say, all my lip filler is gone. And I’m like, Girl, no, it’s not. We want to see her before. When they see their before lips, they’re like, that’s how thin My lips were before. I’m like, Yes, that’s how thin your lips were before. And now you think that there’s no lip filler in you, but you have more than enough, and we’re not going to induct you today. Like it’s not gonna happen. And then it’s the hyper focusing on one feature without thinking about the balance of your face. So that goes along with the nose, tiny nose, or I want thick, full lips, or I want especially if you have like, smaller eyes, like more dainty features, maybe, like really light colored eyes and light hair. And you want full you see, these people have, like, full eyebrows, and you’re like, I want that. And it’s like, not going to go with your dainty features, your light hair, your super light eyes, like it’s going to look crazy even if it’s light eyebrows, but if they’re huge and bushy, it might not go. And so when you hyper fixate on one feature and don’t think about how it goes with the rest of your entire face, and not just that, take a step back in your whole body, then, yeah, you’re gonna keep adding to that spot and you’re not seeing the big picture, which you might be messing up, right? I have to bring up, because this is a Bravo podcast, after all, the valley we saw Brittany say she got chin lipo, or under the chin lipo, and then the rest of the season she was in a permanent frown. So obviously, that doctor done fucked up. I mean,
it’s resolved, thankfully. Yeah, it sounds like the doctor hit one of the nerves. So there are nerves that go down the slight into, like your it’s like this your Marionette, and if you hit it, you can paralyze that area, like until it heals. And if you’ve ever hurt like a tendon or other like connective tissue, including nerves. It can take a while. If you’ve ever had tendonitis, it’s like you’re out from running for 10 weeks or something like that. It’s usually not permanent. It’s usually temporary, but sometimes it can be permanent, depending on the severity of the injury to that area. Most really great surgeons are not going to hit that area, but you never know, and that’s why it’s really important that you go to a board certified plastic surgeon. I don’t know who she went to, so I’m not saying that they weren’t, but any doctor, even some nurse practitioners and physician’s assistants, can technically legally do lipo, but it’s a board certified plastic surgeon. Is who I would go to, I posted a reel of Dr Ashley Steinberg doing my sister doing her chin lipo. And you can see I watched all our Yeah, Mark, she looks incredible. Thank you. She marked up every single thing. She made her move her mouth and smile until she could feel exactly where those the connective tissue and the nerves were as she marked that off and made sure she did not touch that area. And she even went aggressive. I mean, like, she took out a lot of fat, so she was, like, pretty aggressive with how much she removed, because it’s what my sister wanted. She wanted a really snap jawline, and it looks amazing, but you have to be careful of that area, and you have to know that who you’re going to can do that. That being said, sometimes our mistakes, sometimes your nerve or your your connective tissue is in a slightly different area than maybe it should be, where our bodies are all a little different. So sometimes shit happens, but you’re going to reduce your chances of that happening if you go to someone who is very experienced, very knowledgeable and board certified. Dana, I could sit here and talk to you about this all day. We will definitely have you back, if you’re willing, absolutely you. Yeah, you are. I saw lots more. Bravo. Oh, I never finished with what I was saying. Is I just feel like this past year or so about Bravo, it’s been a lot of I just don’t feel like they’re giving us what they could be giving us. And so it feels, I don’t know, oh, a damp towel or something. I think you’ll watch. OC, though, right? Yeah, I think so I Yeah. It looks like it’s gonna be good. It does. I’m excited to I asked to say, please make sure you’re following at IG, famous by Dana. Yes, she, you guys, she’s doing the Lord’s work for us, those of us who just opening up this whole world of beauty and plastic surgery and just helping a more informed person going into these things, is is they’re going to be more happy with.
Their results, and anyway, I’ve learned, I agree, I we’ve learned so much from you, and you are, you’re fantastic, and you make it accessible, like by us learning. We know what is what, but it’s also normalizing it. And if a woman doesn’t want to do anything, that’s absolutely wonderful, but I think that there’s so much shame around women wanting to it’s not like the fountain of youth, like I’m happy to age. My life gets better as I get older. But I look, you look at pictures of women in their 40s, 30 years ago, and they look like older women. I look at my friends and I now, and I don’t know, maybe it’s because I’m there, but I look at it and I’m like, we don’t look 30, but look like really well maintained 40 somethings. And I like that. That’s exactly I’ve said. You’re not going to look 20, you’re just going to look really great for your age. And that’s the goal. And I have had followers. I just want to add that they don’t want to have anything done, but they like knowing what can be done and what’s out there, because it makes them not necessarily, I don’t want to say, feel better, but they know that there’s nothing wrong with them, that there’s they’ve thought about in the past. Oh, why am I aging so differently than all of these celebrities and all of these people? And when they find out that it’s because there’s been intervention, and they’re like, oh, so So I’m aging exactly as I’m supposed to, and that if I want to age differently, these are the options, but I don’t want to do that, and that makes me feel like okay with where I am. That makes so much sense. Thank you so much, Dana, and thank you guys for listening till next time. Hello,
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