142. RHONYC’s horrifying ending; Kyle can’t take the heat; SLC reunion

We break down the Real Housewives of New York City finale and process our thoughts on the whole situation. Trigger warning: The subject of sexual assault is discussed during this episode. Kyle continues to have a bad season on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Where does Erika stand on all of this? We continue to love Boz. And on the first episode of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion, we go deeper into Lisa and Bronwyn’s downhill turn in their friendship. Lisa fans, don’t come for Amanda…

Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tape. We chat reality TV celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from bravococktails.com and as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’m B and I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s team. What’s up? Cocktail? Ers, I’m in the frozen tundra, and Amanda is in paradise.
Yeah, I’m in Mexico. No, it’s wonderful. I’m in Mexico with my husband. The weather is not that amazing today, but that’s okay. We still are finding a way to have fun. We went and got Michelle. I’m fresh off a massage on the beach, and now I’m drinking a Paloma with tahini on the rim, chef’s kiss. It’s so good. Okay, everyone’s
gonna yell at me, but what’s Paloma? Paloma? But I can’t is it grapefruit?
It’s grapefruit tequila. And then they usually put their if the grapefruit is really sweet, they don’t need to put in grapefruit soda, but they’ll put a little grapefruit soda. If the grapefruit isn’t as sweet, it’s I
like to get a Greyhound, which is vodka Seltzer and a splash. I always say a whisper. Somebody told me that my DMs once a cocktail or to ask for a whisper. And now, whenever I do it, I basically look like a Bougie bitch, but it’s basically means a splash but a whisper of grapefruit. And I
love that. Yum. Yeah, I love grapefruit. Absolutely adore it. So do
you know what I recently had? And I feel like such a moron, because everyone I say it to is, yeah, they’re in season, Cara oranges. Oh, those are good. Why did I never I must have had them before, right? Because
they’re you had the Sumos too. Those are really delicious. I’ve
just had regular and I was at my sister in law’s house, and of course, she sprinkled them with sugar, which made
them just foolish delicious. So
yes, I’m very if you guys have not had carrot, they look like grapefruits on the inside. Oh, they’re like, bright pink, orange, ish, you
know what else is like a really weird snack, but delicious is pineapple dipped in powdered sugar. Never did. It sounds so weird. It’s so good, though. Okay, I feel like this week has been absolutely nuts, because just the shows have been really good. But then in our little corner of the world Discord
is lit. Yes,
you put out the bat signal. So I guess backing up for those of you guys, we’ll let you in. For those of you guys who are not cocktails. And by the way, we will talk about New York in a minute. Trigger warning. There is going to be some stuff that is really hard to listen to, so we’ll tell you that. But just wanted to start out with the story from this week. You put out the bat signal, and
no, it was I wanted to post about it, but I also wanted to talk about it in real time, like I was like laughing, also frustrated, and so I was. Like, Oh, my God, let me tell the cocktails to head over to discord. So I was like, so if you guys are wondering when you subscribe to us, for those people who like to say that we charge for tea, the cocktail subscription is not just the extra juicy exclusives, right? Of course, that, of course, there’s all stuff that we are giving to you before you hear it anywhere else. But we also have a weekly podcast that’s just for subscribers. We have a monthly zoom call, and then we have our Discord channel. So what is our Discord channel? It’s a live chat with anybody who’s a subscriber and wants to chat. Amanda and I head over there when stuff is popping off, and we chat with you guys. So that’s what Discord is. So I was like, meet me in discord. And it
was so great because we actually got a bunch of people who have been cocktails for a long time, and they’re like, I can’t believe I haven’t been on Discord. Like, and you guys will hear us talk about during the pod, oh, one of the one of the cocktails on Discord said this, and that’s what really, I think cocktail party has really become about is the community, because it’s so great that we’ve had cocktails meet up and just become friends, become like friends on Discord from chatting back and forth, and then become real friends. It’s and so it’s so nice that we have more people who are on there now. So yeah, what happened was B got a D. That was funny because it was essentially just saying, We can’t talk, you can’t talk about this anymore. It was a seasoned assist over DM, which is, yeah, funny, or what is, what is camera? Call it, assistant to seize, Assistant disease. And the guy I said, on I’m like, This guy looks 16. How do we take him seriously? Because also, he was trying to prevent B from posting anymore about Karen’s court case, which, everything that she has posted about Karen’s court case has been from public record, which is hilarious, because as far as I know, you can get in trouble for posting things that are public record.
Guys listen, and I have to tell you, I get these threats here and there, and they’re often humorous, because the reality is, I know very well what I can and can’t post and when I can and can’t use names. I am not an attorney. I didn’t pass the bar, but I know a few things when a teenage talent manager wants to come into my DMs and ask me to stop posting stuff. Now here’s the thing, granted, this is public information. It’s just not out there yet because I happen to have somebody in the Potomac courthouse who’s telling me it so it’s gonna be out there. It just wasn’t in the papers yet. I just blocked the guy. I didn’t even because I’m not going back and forth. If you truly can send me a cease and desist. First of all, we know that the grand Dom’s legal bills are such that she doesn’t need to add to them, for me, particularly on something that will be thrown out.
Yeah, by the way, I this actually came up on Discord. I had no idea that she announced she’s leaving the show. I don’t know how I missed
that. Okay, so here’s the thing, somebody, one of you guys a cocktail, sent me a post they saw on Twitter. I think it was a snark account who posted it. So I posted it quickly, and then I went to Karen’s account. I didn’t see it. I went to Twitter, I didn’t see it, so I archived it within five minutes, and people had already picked it up and posted it around Facebook and stuff, and I had my my name on my watermark on it, so then I had to tell everyone, no, I don’t think it’s true. So I do think that we’re ultimately gonna get a statement from Karen like that, that she’s not returning. That’s my guess, but it’s not official yet. And as a matter of fact, what’s funny is that even a couple of publications picked it up. For me, I’m like, I had it up for five minutes, but I guess that people must have Bravo and cocktails in their Google Alerts. So when I post something, they get it right away. That’s flattering. Yeah, when the information is real, it is, I was like, oh, whatever it is, what it is, and that’s why I say I’m the National Enquirer. I’m not the Wall Street Journal
where, yeah, we are not a news location here at Bravo and cocktails Incorporated, yeah, not really. Okay, so, oh, the other cool thing that happened on Discord this week, by the way, was we live chatted on Beverly Hills and New York, and that was a ton of fun. During Beverly Hills, I was driving kids, and so I’m seeing, I’m like, sitting in the parking lot waiting for my doctor daughter’s practice to be over, and I have the worst FOMO, because you guys are all chatting, and I couldn’t watch it with you guys because I was driving children.
I often, because, same as you, I’m often doing practices and that kind of thing, and I can’t watch live, but I was able to, and it’s so freaking cold that I’m an old lady. I ordered my first ever heating blanket so good, except, by the way, don’t go to sleep with it on. I woke up in the middle of the night dripping sweat because I had because it’s so cold, I was like, I have heat. Eat what it’s whatever. Yeah, don’t sleep with it on. But I was under my covers, and I’m like, oh, when we did the backhoe and discord, we had so much fun about that that I was like, oh, let’s live chat. So we’re gonna try to do that more
often. I love that. I, by the way, am completely off topic. But
actually I needed it. Wait, I needed it during New York, by the way, because it was really very the car to watch. And it was actually really nice to have the cocktails to watch it with, because I was by myself watching it, and I was really it was very upsetting, as you guys know, yeah, I
just have this really random question. I want to ask the cocktails and see if anybody knows about this, because I to sleep in a cold room. But I don’t like to be like freezing, freezing, freezing in bed until the temperature warms. And so a friend of mine was telling me about this mattress called Eight Sleep. Eight like the number sleep, and I guess it’s hooked up to water, and it’s not like a water bed, but the water can be heated or cooled, and each side has its own control. So you can set it and then, like, you can also set it so that it senses your body and will, like, bring the temperature down after you’ve been asleep for a certain amount of time, which is supposed to help you get better sleep. So anyway, I’m very like,
are you gonna get electrocuted? I feel like you’re gonna get electrocuted too. I don’t think it sounds like dangerous.
Does anybody have one? If they do, email me and tell me what you think, because they’re extremely expensive and that would be a really rough way to go. I
I’m risk adverse, and I’m telling you no, but listen, if you want to try it
cocktails, tell me what you think. Okay, okay, let us know. Let’s get in to New York. Recapping this episode. It was so much I felt like a ping pong ball being just bounced around back and forth. But I think it makes the most sense to say this first, and b I know you agree with this. I believe Bryn when she says she was sexually assaulted, period. Dot I believe her, and I want we both do. We do yes, and we should set that standard in this conversation that we believe her about that period, but getting back into the show, as you guys know, Brynn and Ubah have really been at each other’s throats this entire trip to Puerto Rico, UBA had went really low by implying that Brynn gave sexual favors to Someone to get on the show. Brynn definitely was poking at UBA throughout the trip too. UBA did try to apologize about the comment, saying she didn’t mean it, but Brynn was pretty, pretty inebriated, I think, by that point, and she wouldn’t let it go, and just kept poking and poking. The other women pulled UBA aside and said, UBA, you can’t keep calling Brynn a whore. You’ve really got to talk to her. It was interesting seeing Raquel, because I think Raquel was all of us where Raquel was like, and really feeling for Brynn, when Brynn was saying, Why can’t a black woman make money? Why can’t a black woman be successful? You know, in reaction to being told Uber implying that she gave sexual favors for being on the show. But after that whole scene, the group breaks into two rooms, and Brynn tells Jessel Raquel and Jenna that Uber knew about her sexual assault, and Brynn had not told the rest of the groups. That was essentially her telling them for the first time, and that because of that’s why Uber’s comments cut really deep, is because Uber knew about this, and the women in the room and all of us watching were really blown away by that, and the women were very overcome by emotion in their confessionals talking about this. And Raquel and Jenna especially expressed disappointment in Uber for having that kind of attack against Brynn, knowing this trauma, they did seem like almost in disbelief that UBA would be acting that way and have it while having that knowledge. So then the cameras go down, and this is really key, because at that point in the night after that, we don’t have actual footage of everything that happened. It’s all just retold by the ladies second hand, and so we hear really everything that happened, either in screen goes black and there’s words on the screen, or the girls are talking in their confessional. I guess Jenna or Jessel went to Uber’s room after cameras go down and tells her what Brynn said. And then Uber loses her mind screaming in the fetal position, and says, May Allah strike me down and kill my firstborn if I did that. And then Brynn and UBA have an ugly fight. So Uber and Jessel go to a hotel for the night. The rest of the women stay at the house. Brynn goes into the room, tells the story about the attack, and then Psy straight up asked her, did UBA No,
because Psy wasn’t. Psy was not in the room when Brynn told the women asked
her, yeah, yeah. So they go when they’re. I’m having this like another conversation. After uma and Jaisal leave, Sai asks her, and Brynn says, Come to think of it, maybe she didn’t clock it. So to go from such a big allegation and then so casually to try to walk it back like he all of us, I think, were feeling like, What the heck just happened? So then the rest of the women immediately think Brynn is lying, lying about
the fact that she told Uber. They all noted in their confessionals that, exactly as Amanda and I noted, that they believe Brynn was the victim of a sexual assault, but her saying that Uber knew, and Uber’s strong reaction saying she didn’t know. And then Bryn saying, oh, you know what? It was a conversation. I was crying and spilling a lot of stuff, so she may have not clocked it. They were like, Wait, did she tell Uber at all? Yeah,
yeah. So to top it all off, the next morning, production kind of pulls Bryn aside to talk to her, and she acts completely normal with them. And I was a little confused by that scene, because it was showing like ceiling cameras and change she’s on, there’s horseback riding and blah, blah. I’m not think she said, I’m a complete psycho like that. I can totally go and do it. But then a minute later, she’s but I want to go home. I was confused about if there was something cut, because it seemed very back and forth. But the long story short, Bryn goes home early, and then production ends the trip early. The episode ends with them filming their main title photo, and things feel super tense because they’re all in glam together. No
before that, when Brynn left, Jessel and Uber come back, and they all sit outside on the patio, and they all basically say to Uber, we believe that, you know, yeah, and they’re just in disbelief about everything that has transpired. And then they get to the photo shoot.
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because they’re all in the glam. It feels really tense. And the women, when they’re all interviewed, say, now, seeing what had happened, they question whether everything Brynn has said throughout their time was a lie.
Okay, so many thoughts, I find myself feeling like a ping pong bowl, because there’s so many different emotions and ways to process this. So to start, I don’t think it’s any secret that I have said and been saying on the pod for weeks while I like Uber, and I think Uber is a really nice person. She just doesn’t seem to enjoy being on the show. Reality television isn’t for everyone, right? I wouldn’t be able to do it. It’s, I’m not knocking her. We see her this season, really never being to admit any like wrongdoing or making a mistake, right? Everybody makes mistakes. I’ve made at least a dozen today, so, but she digs in. She
She is one of the she’s like a badger, right? He digs in and fights back. Uber so like, just hard to deal with. If you’ve ever dealt with somebody in person like that, I sat on just Brin called her a petulant toddler. I had said on Discord week before last, she just, she acts like a toddler who doesn’t want to go to bed. My
god, yes. That irrational. Yes. Yeah. All any, anybody who had. Kids, or has nieces and nephews know the stage of life that we’re talking about. So just from this episode alone, or from this trip, so the last couple episodes, like how Brynn refused to acknowledge that she had insulted Raquel, and also Psy by shouting repeatedly how dirty and gross the beach in Puerto Rico was, and just not simply saying, I’m sorry. I really, I was really having a moment. I didn’t really, and that is something that anybody can do, right? It is totally possible that Amanda could invite me to her hometown and be like, I’m bringing you to my favorite restaurant, and that I could be sitting there and order a meal that I don’t like and be like, Oh, this is like, this is not good. And later, if a man or this place is not my vibe or whatever. And later, if Amanda was like, you know, B I was really excited to bring you to that place, and you really kept dissing it, right? And I would like take a moment and think about it, and I would be like, I’m really sorry. I’m a little off today not having a great day. It’s not an excuse. And I should have been more sensitive to the fact that this place was important to you, and I wasn’t nice about it,
because Raquel takes so much pride in her heritage and where she grew up, and it felt like Uber was shitting all over it, like
as most people do. And I think that when Raquel said to her Uber, if I went to Somalia, and is that way, I believe it’s Somalia, I don’t want to say the wrong place, and I had that sort of reaction, you would rightfully be insulted, because that’s your home. And it was like, no, if you saw a dead lion, which I thought was funny, because I’m like, the very few places you just stumble upon a dead lion, right? If you saw a deadline, if you saw a dead lion and said it was gross, I would say you’re right, it is gross, and it’s okay. Now we’re not being honest. So that was an example. And of course, not just simply apologizing for saying, maybe Brynn slept with somebody. Get the job on Roni. I understand in the moment she was angry, and we are all guilty of saying things we don’t mean, or coming on too strong if we’re angry. But everybody there was like, Uber like, it’s not cool. Like, you can’t say that. And the girls kept saying, Oh, this is a sensitive spot for Brynn. I’m sorry. I think it’s a sensitive spot for any woman who works hard in her career. And that is said too, yeah, I don’t think that’s specific to any I would be hugely insulted if somebody ever implied that I got to any place that I am because I sucked a dick. So that is across the board, everybody should understand that. So Brynn telling the women that she had shared her sexual assault with Uber, and that was why she was so hurt about the comment to me, if Brynn didn’t tell Uber, that it has to mean that either she just is capable of lying, or I feel like, listen, we know. And when your Bish therapist was here, she actually spoke in some depth about brynn’s trauma as a child and how her trauma was really from birth, and when as an infant, you aren’t met with the basic needs of love and affection and all of those things, it really can wire your brain in a way where the trauma is so deep and it could be that she can’t distinguish between her truth and her lies. After telling them this, she says, Oh, so she said it like I told Uber, like she said it as if she were sitting with Uber. And she said, I want to share something with you. I am the victim of a sexual assault. That’s how she originally said it, right? And then once Uber and Jessel went to the hotel, it turned into, Oh, I was very upset, because I had a loved one who had tried to commit suicide, and I was sharing a lot with Uber in that conversation, and I was so upset, and I was crying, and she was asking if she I wanted her to send me a car to come to her, or if I wanted her to come to me so she maybe she didn’t clock it. Now I just have to say, How does someone not clock rape? And I want to be clear again, I do not have any question as to whether the sexual assault took place. I believe women, and I believe that the sexual assault took place, and I think that when they did, all those flashbacks, all of the situations that Brynn spun all were rooted in truth, whether it was a joke that she reworded to sound serious or an exaggeration. But I’m having a hard time figuring out if Brynn knew that she was lying about telling Ubah, or if she really thought. And I do want to say and again, I don’t mean this in like a shameful way, because I’m certainly have been guilty of it myself. There are times where you’re drinking, especially like they were on vacation drinking all day, right? If she had been drinking when she was upset on the phone with Uber, she may not really remember what she fully said, but that if she hadn’t shared it with anyone but her brother, it just seems like something she would know came out of her mouth. Does that make sense?
Actually, it really does, because she did say she’s, I was I called you by because I had a loved one, a loved family member who committed suicide, and she’s, I was screaming and crying. And so it has made me wonder, could that have been like either Brynn was in such an emotional. State and thought she had talked about it, but didn’t, or was Uber. Maybe she was Uber on the phone with her for an hour and a half and also checking email or something, and didn’t. I could see a scenario where
that would have but here’s my thing. This is my thing. Let’s say that’s the case, and certainly it is. We all know that we multitask and we do a million things, and nobody zoned out more than me and all that. Okay, let’s say she, let’s say she really didn’t hear it, right? Because a clock, it sounds like inconsiderate. Let’s say she didn’t hear it. Wouldn’t Bryn, and at the time, they were very good friends. There was no issue there. And even if they weren’t friends, isn’t that something that somebody revisits with a person? Yes, and that isn’t that something where, when you were calm and you and I were getting lunch one day, I’d say, Amanda, I don’t know if you want to talk about this or not, but I just, I just want to know that I’m thinking of you, and I if there’s any, if I could be of any support with what you shared with me about Do you know what I’m saying?
Because that’s what real friends do, and they in a quieter time they Well, Boba
might be erratic and she may be stubborn and she may, when she’s angry be irrational, but certainly she’s a good, loyal friend, which is why she was so upset to be accused of knowing when she didn’t know. Yeah,
I’ve been thinking a lot about this and like, where my feelings about this whole situation stand, and I have had this overwhelming empathy towards Brynn ever since she told the story about her upbringing and the fact that a lot of times her diapers didn’t get changed, and truly awful situation that she grew up in, I really I’ve always loved her, even this season when she’s acted up. And like I said, I could see a situation where UBA didn’t register, or Brynn thought she said something, but in her own emotional state, or she had been drinking or something, I can see that. But my issue stands here. Let’s say Brynn, in her mind, does believe that UBA knew why Brynn would then weaponize that in front of all the women that, to me, was the cardinal sin. If Brynn had truly been feeling this way, why wouldn’t she have privately confronted UBA even?
What about when they were outside? What about when they were on the patio and Uber apologized, and then they got into the semantics of what was said, and they ended up not resolving it. Why didn’t Bryn say then I told you about my like, the way she said to the women, she said, and I told Uber about my sexual assault. Why would she make that comment? Why wouldn’t she say to Uber, then that I keep going back to that moment, because I like, and again, drinking is involved, right? She did. She hasn’t changed because Uber doesn’t drink, yeah, and but
instead, she performatively announced this to almost everyone but Uber, and that’s really what put the nail in the COVID for me.
Yeah, it is as if, even if it was she knew that the woman, the women, already thought what Uber was doing was wrong, because it was wrong to be clear, it is wrong to say that your friend got her job by sleeping with somebody Okay, when you don’t know that to be true, totally shitty. But knowing that your friend was sexually assaulted and saying that is egregious. So I think Cy said it well when she said, Brynn may have lied growing up to protect herself, but now as an adult, when you bring other people into it becomes a dangerous thing to do, because that whole Never mind the fact that it’s on national television, and we would all judge Uber, but the whole group of women who are friends with Uber absolutely and did change, like Raquel said, I can’t even look at Uber, right? She clearly, Bryn has trauma, and it’s very much a part of her present day life. No woman child should go through what Brynn has, but bringing other people into it hurt people, and it’s if I’m her friend, it is hard because I do have an empathy for her, and I don’t know her, so I can only imagine the women who have had good times with her, and know all of her good qualities and have empathy for her, but at the same time, seeing what she did to Uber the other women have to recognize how danger it is to be close to someone like that. Yeah, the capacity, whether she’s knowingly doing it or it’s just part of her trauma, and she can’t help it, it can put you in a bad spot to be close to somebody who has that capacity?
Yeah, absolutely. I just don’t see any coming back from this for Bryn with any of those women, not just UBA, but all of the women. I just don’t, I don’t see Bryn having a relationship with them moving forward. I
wanted to share because I received a lot of DMS, and I sadly received too many DMS, one is too many, but I received more than one from those of you that are survivors of sexual assault, and one of you said something that I thought was worth sharing the cocktail, or said, as a survivor, there’s no way she told Uber every time we retell the story, we relive it, we remember everything about that moment, including choosing who to tell our story to. Do. You can’t just say this to any friend, unfortunately, and this is by far, not something Uber would forget, which, again, isn’t the same as not hearing it because she was crying and incoherent, especially given the time frame. Unfortunately, this now becomes a slap in the face, and this person says she doesn’t believe that Uber made this up. Nobody would want this scarlet letter on them. We all, I think, collectively, agree with that. But the cocktail said she has lied all season long, and then wrapped UBA into this false narrative of being this kind of person, which, believe me, they do exist, but it’s clear Uber did not know and is not malicious, and I agree with that. It now taints the question to the public of was she or wasn’t she about Brynn, which is a tale as old as time, and a big reason why it’s hard for women to move forward happy this cast supported Uber, but you know, feeling sorry, it took you feeling sorry for Brynn. You’re feeling disappointed for Brynn, and then you’re like, feeling guilty that you’re feeling disappointed in Bryn. Because you’re like, what if she really thinks she told her? Yeah, it’s very complicated.
I like that perspective, though I do hate and the cocktail is right that it brings question to Bryn story, which is, and unfortunately, many women’s stories, which is, like I said, you and I both 100% believe that Bryn was sexually assaulted, but unfortunately, the way that she’s handled this whole situation, cut her credibility down. Tom Lucero, for me,
we come from a generation of women who had to deal with, if not them, their friends, saying, I don’t know. I didn’t really say no. I was so drunk, we all know what I’m talking about. Okay, so it’s very heavy. It’s very heavy for all of us. So then when production and editing went back, and they showed all the different little situations that Brynn took something and spun it, you say, was Uber acting more intense towards Brynn because she felt she kept saying she was being gaslit. She was also saying it to Erin, like her whole pigeon thing was this her saying that she kept saying, Brynn puts words in your mouth, and then she Bryn says things and beats you. And then when you say something, she spins it in her narrative. And when they showed all those flashbacks, it showed that when I posted this to stories, oh, this is what I wanted to say, a follower pointed out something important someone needs. They said someone needs to call out the fact that when she was with her brother in the park, when they were discussing her sexual assault, Brynn and her brother on camera, she told him, no one else knew. Yeah, they said, rewind to the episode where she tells her brother in the park. No one else knows. When I posted that to my stories, some of you said maybe she told Brynn after the conversation with her brother, but it can’t be guys, because when Brynn told the women, she said it was after Bravo Khan. There was no Bravo Khan in 2024 so she told her this before this season started filming, Brynn also just came out with a Rolling Stone article in which she stated she text her brother that she had told Uber, so it’s not adding, it’s not adding, it’s not adding up.
Nothing gets by the cocktails that cocktail is right, which is, unfortunately, another point on the board against Bryn story about UBA. Erin made a comment on a post and had a very strong opinion on brynn’s Rolling Stone article where she doubled down. Bryn said that she and Erin are like sisters, and then Erin said, we haven’t spoken to her, nor have any of the women. Again, we’re clearly gonna see some changes in Roni. I don’t see a way that Brynn comes back.
I have some exclusive Bravo and cocktail scoop. So one of my sources actually reached out to me, because I don’t know if you guys remember this. I forget if I posted. I know I definitely said it on either here or the cocktail pod. Bryn was slated to be on love hotel. She was replaced with Ashley. When we spoke about that, the source told me that they’re assuming that Brynn must be dating someone and doesn’t. Isn’t doing it because of that, Brynn hasn’t announced a boyfriend or anything. The person reached back out to say that after seeing the season finale, assuming she was removed from love hotel because this was all around the same time, and I guess Bravo was like, All right, we got to put this on ice, like, paused her in a way, to figure out different, but giving Leah McSweeney, yeah, yes, I agree. As far as where does Ronnie go, I think there’s a world where Uber actually comes back as a result of this, depending on how Bravo feels about it. Oh, she was a victim of being accused of knowing that. I don’t know if Uber wants to come back. She’s living in Connecticut with the billionaire boyfriend. I think Raquel, Aaron Psy, Jessel, even Jenna. It’s possible. I don’t know what they’re gonna do, guys. I don’t think we see Brynn. I don’t think brynn’s back on Bravo.
No, I agree. I don’t think uval wants to be on the show. I really don’t need her back. I really would like to see Raquel Aaron Cy redeemed herself for me, Jessel. Just because Jessel brings I would like to see Jenna. I really thought Jenny had some really good points of view. I would love to see somebody new and fabulous come in and mixed up. But I want to say, buy it a Becky Minkoff as. Well, and
like Becky Minkoff, I think fine. I just don’t think she’s for reality TV, and that’s okay. Yeah, yeah,
okay, let’s talk. Beverly Hills, what another that’s been, just like some Barden burden episodes Lately, they’ve been, it’s been, they’ve been really good. So okay, where are we? Okay? So Kyle is very much finding herself Act into hoarder, and she is not handling it well. I first want to just call out her dress at this party. First
of all, I liked her dress, and I said it in the discord chat, and then everybody else on this on the show was making fun of it, and I was like, whatever. Maybe it is 2004 but I like it.
It looks like fast fashion, something that would somebody would wear to a club.
I believe I did wear it in 2004 to a club, gold belt and all I it
was supposed to be like, Come comfy, but cute dress code. So it just really stood out. But anyway,
which story pointed
out? I know that your casual outfit, I know, oh, it was on fire. It was, like, down to her belly button cut, like, way low cut. I was like, this is it’s a rare misstep for Kyle. We’ll put it that way. She usually has, I think I really usually like her fashion. So it was called the serenity soiree Bose was hosting.
First of all, can I just say, as I said in the discord chat, oh my god, I love Bose his house. And then I’m like, everyone’s Oh, her poor house burnt out. I was like, Oh, my God, that’s right,
her Malibu house, not her Hancock Park House.
No, her Malibu. It was just so gorgeous that house. Oh, that wasn’t the one that
burned down. I don’t think so. I think they were at her Hancock Park House, because Erica lives in Hancock Park too. We saw in the first episode, she was like, Oh, I’m so glad I have a neighbor, and they show Hancock Park in the show, but Kyle’s under fire the second she walks in to that party, Bose actually asks her to read the test the text. Kyle cries, but reads it, and then she can’t understand why everyone thinks it’s such a big deal to tell another person’s husband, she won’t repeat anything that they talk about. And then she switches lanes, and she’s Oh, no. What I meant is I in the text to him is that I won’t say anything on camera that we’ve talked about. And then essentially, a lot of stuff happens. But essentially, then Kyle storms out in her propped robe, holding her fast fashion dress,
which, in Amanda’s case, the back row better than the fast fashion dress, which Kyle’s having her worst season to date. She simply looks like a fool. Yeah, screaming and crying about the text messages, Kyle, you lied. Do not tell the woman they should be ashamed of themselves. They are holding you accountable. She’s not used
to it. No, she is not used to having her feet held
to the fire you liked and said the texts were memes when, sorry you lied and said the texts were memes when, in fact, you told PK his secrets were safe with you. You tried to gaslit a calm dorit that he’s never shared anything with you. But dorit pointed out in her confessional that PK, when they were still together, admitted to confiding in Kyle like after him and Mauricio went out to dinner, and if they were in a fight, I don’t think Kyle cares if dorit knows that she’s lying. I think that she doesn’t want the audience to know. Doesn’t want the other women to know. I also really didn’t appreciate when they were outside and dorit was really staying calm and sharing with her PK and I are having a lot of trouble the way he would speak to me and Kyle, like says in the confessional. And I think even to Dorit, I don’t know that PK, I can’t imagine him being like that. It’s, excuse me, what gaslighting? Yeah, are you saying that dorit is lying about what took place in her marriage? Because such a girl’s girl, really, who? Really?
Yeah, I agree.
What do you think about Erica? Because I feel like Erica’s role in this has been really interesting, because we’ve seen her really stick her neck out for Kyle when they’re in a group setting, but then not so much when she’s either in a smaller group, when Kyle isn’t there, or in one on ones with the other women.
I think that Erica believes that dorit is more in the right I think that Erica won’t be honest with Kyle. Kyle tried to have dorit fired. Erica needs her Beverly Hills check, and if she goes away from Kyle, she’s scared it will jeopardize her spot on the show. And furthermore, I don’t think it’s Erica’s responsibility to go against Kyle. I really don’t. I think that Erica is listening to dorit. I think she’s saying to Dorit, listen. You think these things. I don’t have definite proof. She basically says to her in the spot, if I had definite proof, I wouldn’t agree with it. But this isn’t really my fight. Would dorit do it for Erica if dorit were Erica? Okay? And the situation was reversed, and Kyle tried to get Erica off the show, and Erica was there by the skin of her teeth, and Erica was mad about texts, and in the grand scheme of things, lower level issues. Now. To be confused with ramona’s lower level in the Hamptons. Would dorit do it for Erica? No, she wouldn’t. Nobody would. None of them would. At the end of the day, people’s loyalty lies with the show, and Kyle is the show for now. Let’s see how it goes, because the fans are turning and things change.
And I’ve actually tried to put myself a little bit in Erica’s shoes, because I actually think about like, how would I handle this in real life? And I have been in situations right, where you’re in a group of friends and two, two or more people are having a conflict, and you see your friend do something that’s not right. If that were me, I wouldn’t jump on the bandwagon in the group of friends. I would, I would first of all just try to defuse the conflict a little bit, but then privately, I would say to my friend, I don’t think that you acted right, but I’m not. I don’t want to see you getting torn down in the whole group, but I do. I don’t agree with what you did, but I’ve always got your back what Erica
is doing, but you want to know what, even Moreover, I want you to put yourself in a situation your supervisor and your friend have an issue, and that’s what it is like they nobody is equal to Kyle. Okay?
Is that a real thing? Does she have a higher level, like production credit or something, or is it just Kyle is the queen me, and we all know it. I
think that Kyle is an OG. Kyle was on the show before I everybody else. And I just know, because my sources always say to me, it’s Kyle’s show. They love Kyle, but then again, they did have dorit back against her wishes. But look what dorit has brought. I told you that my source said dorit WAS TOLD YOU BETTER effing bring it. And she really is, yeah, and she’s going against Kyle bringing it. So like she so I just feel if Erica had to go against Kyle for herself, the way to read is having to. She would, because she’d have to, because you have to defend yourself, yeah, but is Eric. And again, I like Erica. Again, I do. First of all, I loved Erica when she came on the show, obviously, when there was all the muddiness of the lawsuit and what she knew, not the lawsuit, but like the criminal activity of her husband and what she knew and what she didn’t know, and the ugliness of all of that, certainly we all she fell out of our favor. I’m back to liking her. But at the end of the day, Erica cares about Erica. Yeah, yeah.
How much do you love Bose? I
just did you see her on watch? What happens? Live? No, I missed it. Oh, my God. Oh, you’re busy going to Mexico. She is, I love Bose. She is unbiased. She is a newbie, completely calling out to read, not to read, completely calling out Kyle along with Garcelle. Watch What Happens Live. She flat out said Amanda that Kyle thinks she’s the queen bee. She’s two faced. All the women except Erica feel Kyle is wrong. She expects special treatment. They’re over it. I don’t know if Boz exactly said that, but she basically was like, Yeah, this is I’m not going for this. You can’t just try to recruit me to your sorority like I’m walking in and I’m judging people based on how I feel about them. Because guess what? Beverly Hills is lucky to have her in the same well that, in the same way that Garcelle never kissed Kyle’s ring, she didn’t need to. She’s a known actress, and to some extent, Sutton, being friends with Garcelle gave her a shield. Remember, Eric is on Kyle’s side, so if Erica were to go against Kyle, nobody else there is backing her the same way that dorit was in a precarious situation, because at the end of the day, she was on Kyle’s side, she was never on Garcelle and Sutton side. Yeah. So she’s really out there on her own now with was there to listen to her and he’ll say to her, yeah, that stinks, but she’s not gonna, you know what I mean, yeah,
she’s not gonna choose dorit over Kyle by any means.
Spas is a boss? Is it Bose? Is it Bose? It’s both. It’s Bose.
Bose. She is not afraid of any of these women. And I truly love that there’s something about a housewife who comes on the show who doesn’t really need the show, yes, and she doesn’t really need the show. And it’s it makes for it just makes it so much more entertaining and refreshing,
honestly. So speaking, since we’re on the topic of Beverly Hills, there was a silly rumor circulating that Lisa Vander prompt is returning to Beverly Hills, so my source told me that producers can’t stand her, and she’s not interested. And then I did hear Andy on radio. Andy say he doesn’t know where this came from. People are just making stuff up at this point, because that is not a thing. So
that’s to me, because I would love to see it. I would love to see it. I just don’t think she’ll ever come back. What would you like to
see it? I love Lisa Vanderpump. Like, yeah. And even, like, after Vanderpump Rules, where, like, she sided with Sandoval, and she’s, we know who she is now, but she’s good TV. She is
herself, like the way that she talks, and has these, like little gentle barbs, calling Kent, calling Britney Jackson’s little Kentucky muffin, and she’s just, I love her. Sure. Okay, so Salt Lake City, let’s chat through quickly the reunion. We’re hearing, not to the meat and potatoes yet, but there’s some stuff happening. Yeah, we’re hearing they’re all coming back and possibly adding one new person. Filming starts in February, so it would be interesting. Meredith, I just, I am increasingly just worrying about her health. I feel like there is some sort of medication that, or some sort of something that is is not agreeing very well with her, and
the lie that they also implied that eating disorder and she got so defensive of it. So there’s just a lot of, yeah, she’s just that truthful about anything, not about her marriage, not about just seems like she’s
a character. She’s hiding. She’s definitely hiding something. For sure, I agree with you, but the ratings and everybody is saying, take a standing ovation for this season, which I agree, because it was so good. So of course, they should be keeping a lot of the same people. We’re hearing that Britney will be back. What did you think of the first part of the reunion? I
think that Lisa is really showing her ass here. What she shared on the after show about Braun winning when it seemed unnecessary, she can say things like, I’m sorry that hurt you, but you shouldn’t have implied that Brynn faked not Brynn. You hear me, Bryn win faked a miscarriage when you know that she told you that the family knew that there was a child, the family sounds very powerful. And although Lisa, at the reunion claims to love their heart and not their power, and we don’t know who the family is. Guys, I know you guys keep asking me, and if I do know it doesn’t sound like a name that I would be willing to type out, see the cease and desist in my DM if you’re wondering why. And I wouldn’t be surprised if so, these people are rich, right? Rich usually means powerful. I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow they’re beneficial to Lisa. What that looks like? I don’t know, because this is just my like, putting the puzzle together, but Lisa taking their side and making her look bad on the show. Lisa cares about Lisa. And what’s in Lisa’s best interest? So these people must, it must be in her best interest to keep them on her good side. Does that look like they’re investors in her businesses? Just powerful and maybe people who could affect her businesses in some way. There’s got to be a reason she’s defending them so strong.
Yeah, I would just say this. I’m telling you, I catch a lot of heat. I do not understand all the fan love for Lisa. It is. It’s very confusing to me. It just seems that she is so shallow, so self absorbed, so status hungry, status focused, like, where are the deeper parts of her? Why do we never get to hear about the bad things that have happened to her? I just, I would like to see a little more dimension out of her. I Sorry. Lisa fans, I said, what I said? I don’t get it.
You know what it is. I totally see what you’re saying. I think that it reminds me of Karen huger, the grand Dom, where, when a show comes out, people like the character of a person, and because Salt Lake City is especially campy, and because for so long, like we had real bad guys, like we had a freaking crook, Jen Shah, right? So it was hard to focus on, like Lisa being an issue. People liked her lightness, like in contrast to the darkness that was Jen Shah and but I definitely agree with you, and I think that no housewife who stays on for a long time doesn’t get dragged and like to your point of dimension, like, that’s gonna come or won’t, but it will change people’s opinions on her over time. And I completely see what you mean, especially when you get someone like Bronwyn with dimension and with substance on, okay, but what season
are we on now? Four, five, okay, when is the dimension gonna come out if we batter for five
years? I don’t know if we’re gonna get dimension, but what we will get is a turn in the fan base. Yeah. Think back to a Teresa judiciary, who, at first, everybody adored. She was campy, she was funny, she was like, the stereotypical Italian East Coast housewife, right? Yeah. And over time, as we got to know her, we were like, okay, but and then some people still just rode for her, blindly, as they will for Lisa Barlow, yeah. And some people were like, okay, yes, she makes good TV, but X, Y and Z. And I think that that already has happened to some degree, but I want to touch on this, because I find this really interesting. So the husbands come out, and we only saw them at the end for a few minutes. Immediately, John Barlow and Todd browman’s husband get into it. John tries to highlight bronwy, Brooke, Gwen’s dad’s family onto the show. But Broan points out that Lisa is the one who went into great detail on the after show about the family, the Gwen’s deceased father’s family. Here’s my thing that like is a little puzzling to me. And browman is very bright. She’s very sharp. I really. Enjoy that about her, and I enjoy her, but you’re in Salt Lake City, which we know is a small place, and the circle gets smaller when you’re talking about the people with power in
Salt Lake and Mormons. Yeah,
yes, Bronwyn had to know that it was possible that Lisa knew this family, yeah, if she didn’t actually know, right? She says on the reunion, and she said it like in the show, she had never shown anyone, not even Todd. She has since shown Todd, but up until then, not even Todd Gwen’s father’s picture. But for some reason, she thought it appropriate to show Lisa while filming a show, and this was something she wanted. Bronwyn wanted to keep so private. So it’s almost like Bronwyn wanted the storyline and regrets how it went. Maybe she thought Lisa would immediately jump to her side, or maybe when Todd had such a strong reaction, or perhaps, we don’t know, maybe grant Gwen didn’t like it to it being a storyline. Maybe that’s when she regretted it. Now, I believe me, Lisa isn’t innocent, but I just find it suspicious that this thing that she wanted so private she showed to a cast mate, it doesn’t make sense if these people are powerful and well known, and Lisa has pictures with like celebrities way before she was on Salt Lake City, Lisa does the Sundance Film Festival. Lisa knows everybody, so she knew she was going to know this family. So what gives?
Yeah, no, I think that’s a really good point. I don’t feel the need to drag her over the coals, because I do feel like it could be, you know, that there was a missing snow on her part, and that she it’s part of her story, and it’s an interesting part of her story, but that it got away from her is, I think that’s a really likely possibility, right? And then she was trying to claw it back, or, like you said, Todd caught wind of it. It was like, Why the f would you talk about this? Which is, I could see that happening as well. I did not, and
I personally really like that he’s protective of Gwen. Yeah, I know that people think he’s rough and gruff, and I think that he is, but I also think that it’s very endearing and speaks to the fact that he’s a very good stepfather.
Yeah, I think it’s interesting though. I watched this was a while ago when Whitney was on watch what happened live with her red hair. She told Andy that every after the reunion filming, everybody went out for dinner together, except for Bronwyn.
And he asked Bronwyn last night on watch, what happens live? And she was like, I don’t know. I was just tired, but I hope everyone had fun. Very coy. Maybe Todd didn’t want to go. Did the husbands go?
I don’t think Whitney, I don’t think Whitney said anything about that. I just, I thought it was really interesting, because if even Angie and Lisa, who hate each other and were hate tweeting each other in real life when the season started, maybe there’s something. I think there’s something there. Yeah,
I think so. I thought it was. And at the reunion, Bronwyn really highlighted how she didn’t give a lot of the women a chance, because she just kept trying to get Lisa and her on track, and she wishes she didn’t play so much value on that friendship. And Lisa essentially said, Yeah, I guess she thought we were really good friends, but we were just social friends. So Sorry, not sorry, so and again, maybe when we as we watch the reunion, because we really just touched the surface, stuff is just starting in that first, the first episode of the reunion, maybe we’ll understand more clearly why Bronwyn didn’t go, yeah,
and we’ll see that Meredith is gonna threaten to walk off the set. Can’t wait to see that. I
just because they insinuate that Seth has a side chick. What? You know? What Meredith? If he does, you better talk about it next season, because we’re bored. Yeah, completely. We love you guys this hour flu, I feel I’m sorry that I hate when we have heavy pods, because, yeah, I like them to be light. But we also do have to talk about we don’t have to do anything, but here we are. I
got a lot of texts from friends who are like, I’m really curious to hear what your opinion is on this whole thing. And I was like, I had to really think about it before I had an opinion. Because, again, like, ping pong ball, like it, it took me a little time to
register at all. And, like I said to Amanda, like, before we started recording, it’s always and I love when you guys and you guys are always like, I don’t know why I just rambled that to you, but I really enjoy hearing all the different perspectives, because there are so many ways to look at this. And in some ways, I am a person. It’s easier, I guess, for everybody, but it’s really easier for me when there’s an obvious wrong and an obvious right, it just is, if I punch you in the face. I’m wrong, because I have no business getting physical regardless of what you say to me. Yeah. Like this situation, it’s complicated. We already spoke about it, and I could probably do another hour podcast and spin a whole different way to look at it. That right makes sense to me. So, yeah, so like all of us are gonna have. Have different and it also it comes from our own personal experience, what we’ve been through, what our loved ones have been through, just as women, I think it is the fact that every single woman on that cast felt it is horrific, and I mean that they could feel the pain of what it would be. Because I think almost every women, if they haven’t been they’ve been damn close to it happening to them, and that is a scary reality. And I’m sorry if that just made things dark, but it’s just true.
I’ll never forget, in high school, there was a we went through class and they talked, that was the topic, and what they said is, one in every three women will be sexually assaulted. And we’re sitting, I’m sitting there at lunch with my friends, and I’m looking around the table, and I’m like, oh my god, which, which two of us will it be? And that just really makes it really made it hit home that it’s so unfortunately common anyway. Thank you guys. Till next time