135. B had quite a scare; Shining a light on taboo subjects; Ozempic rant (it’s not what you think); Why can’t Kyle and Dorit stop fighting?

B had a life or death moment. Beverly Hills continues to go off. Divorce is in the air in Beverly Hills and across the Real Housewives franchises. There are previously taboo conversations being had about divorce, hear our thoughts on why this is so important. Dorit and Kyle’s situations have so many parallels. Why can’t they stop fighting and get along? We have a side rant about Ozempic – you might be surprised to hear our take. We have seen true bravery in sharing some very personal stories this week. Hats off to Erin, Brynn and Mary for letting us in and sharing their stories with us. This is why we love to watch Bravo.

Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tape. We chat reality TV celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from problem cocktails.com and as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’m Bee and I’m Amanda. Let’s get into this week’s tea.
Hey, cocktailers, hi, Amanda. Hi, B Hi, cocktailers. Amanda, I was almost, I almost maybe could have been unalived last night. What? Okay, this is a scary story, and I’m telling it. It ended up not really being scary. Was scary. I’m telling it because it’s a reminder to all of us. So I went out to dinner with my friend, and I go to hop in an Uber, and I looked out at my phone, and I see it was like a sit a black sedan. And to be honest with you, normally, I always check the plate because, like, the Uber or the Lyft shows the plate number, right? And it was freezing and windy, so I just ran to the car, pulled the door open, and this man screamed, get the f out of my car. Now I don’t blame him, because he was looking straight ahead so he didn’t see me. You’re in the middle of Manhattan. He doesn’t know if it’s like a robber or a carjacker. I was like, oh my god, I’m so sorry. I thought you were my Uber I’m sorry. I’m sorry. And he didn’t say anything after that. I guess when he realized that I was like a woman and not a thief or didn’t pose a threat. He just ended it there, but it was really scary. God forbid, if he were not a rational person. So I’m just giving a PSA. It may sound ridiculous, but check the license plate and don’t just like most people probably wouldn’t do that. Would you ever do that? Like you always check right? I
almost always check. But I’ve actually had a similar situation where, when I was out with girlfriends, and we had been out, like, dancing and drinking, and this would have been la la, la La, yeah, eight or nine years ago, so, like, still grown up and had kids by that point, but was after a big night out, put it that way, and we were going in two different Ubers, and the I was not the Uber, the person who called the Uber. And so we got into an Uber and started going, and then realized that we were in the wrong one, and the person kicked us out, and so then they dropped us off, like two blocks from where we were. Oh, God, walk back to get your Uber. Yeah, and then in the dark, which is the whole point of getting an Uber, because you’re, you don’t want to be walking around right clean at night. I do have to know, like, why is a man? Why didn’t he have his two. Were
slot like, and his car was a wreck, like it had all stuff in the back seat. So, like, that should have been a clue. But again, I, like, literally just bolted out of the restaurant, saw that it was a black sedan, which was the car that my Uber said it was. And I think it may have even been the same make. I forget it was a Camry or a Honda Accord, but like, it was either that, like it was one or the other, and my Uber was directly in front of it, same looking car. And my Uber driver was so lovely. I was like, oh my god, I almost just got killed. He’s what I’m like, No, not killed. I’m a dramatic person. The poor man was like, in shock. He’s wait somebody after, you know what I got in the Uber. I like, laid duck down because I don’t know. I was just like, scared.
I was like, can we go? It’s scary when somebody yells at you like that too.
I’m like, so startling, because normally Uber drivers, in my experience, are very lovely people. Hi, how are you? How’s your evening? So like to get in and be like, That’s a fuck. I
was like, I’m just happy that you’re here with us today. Thank you. For many reasons, I live to see another day. Okay, so let’s talk, I think let’s talk Beverly Hills, because we recorded early last week because of Thanksgiving it was there’s been now a couple of episodes, the big conversation between Dori and PK at dinner where he says, I’m single PK and we’re not gonna talk five times anymore. And like portery,
she looked stunned, yeah, by his like, when he made the single PK comment, she definitely looks stunned. But the whole conversation seemed to be like, gobsmacked she You can’t hide that, like authentic sadness that we saw that was like on her face, yeah. And the crazy thing is that this week, we see Mauricio and Kyle have a conversation about him moving out and Kyle and her confessional highlights like we did a short term lease. So it’s only gonna be so it’s not a long term thing. So in six months, we’ll see where. And then you hear her go, oh, but you did buy furniture, so that makes it more long
term. She bought, he bought permanent furniture. He bought the nicest sheets that you could buy that gave me the ick,
okay, when he was like, I bought the most expensive sheets. Like, we know that he’s sleeping with women. Well, is your estranged wife about your expensive sheets? Did that not give you the ick? I Yes. But then I was like, is he saying that because the girls are gonna come spend the night and stay at his house too, and is that why he said that? When Kyle, I don’t even see that happening. Okay, the girl, first of all, their split is amicable. He walks in that house and lays his ass on the couch as if he still lives there. So why would these girls want to stay in his bachelor pad? I don’t even see that as a thing. First of all, most of them are older. Porsche is 16, yeah. And like, at 16, I think that Mauricio would just drop her home. He’d come in the kitchen, open it up, eat it like you eat whatever’s in there, like you still live there, and pop out, like, I don’t see them staying there.
And Kyle is doing some decorating that she’s pointed out. And she’s, it looks like she’s, like, waiting for mo to be like, Why are you making these changes without me? But he is, oh, it looks great. Like, very lost. What about when
he kept laughing in her face?
Yeah, it was weird. It was weird. And I her because she’s still trying to take care of him. She was like, Oh, I’ll order you some sheets and I can get you towels? Because I’ve got plenty of towels. It made me sad for her. I don’t think they’re ever getting back together. I think he grieved the loss and he’s moving on. Yeah, I agree. I think there’s a lot of people who ask if duri and PK might reconcile. I don’t think that one’s gonna happen either. What do you think
I have to tell you something, and it’s not the nicest thing to say, but I always saw dorit. I did think that she loved PK, but I also saw her as somebody who married PK because of his status and financial security I’m seeing now that it’s not that I thought that she was with him 100% for that reason, but I think I’m realizing that she wouldn’t have left him just because of a bankruptcy or just because of financial trouble. She really loved him, and this split is really his call. I think she’d prefer to be a marriage, counseling him, living in the home, and then working on it. Yeah, which I didn’t realize prior to the season. I thought it was they both. She really loved him, though I’ve never questioned like you didn’t. I think bankruptcy would send her out. No, oh, the i.
PK is always one of those people who seems to have something up his sleeve too, and so I don’t think she would have no I don’t think she would have run just because of the bankruptcy, assuming that she felt like they were doing care of Yeah, because I really do believe that she really loved him. And I’ve been thinking a lot about this, because there has been so much divorce talk on housewives across multiple different franchises. And I have to say, I understand where these women, but men, sometimes too are going into these divorces with rose colored glasses on, and I think some of these women almost seem to be burying their heads in the sand when it comes to divorce and money and splitting assets and custody. But I really think it is so important that we’re hearing them talk about this stuff more openly. Potomac, Giselle, Ashley, Karen, sit, Stacy, down. Stacy’s going into that her mediation, and she’s, we are just, we’re very amicable. And when they’re like, but do you have a plan? Do you know where everything is? And she’s like, we’re very amicable. It’s clear that she doesn’t, right? Ashley comes and says I didn’t really know, and I’ve had to learn so much. And Giselle says I knew out where everything was going into this. And then Sutton talks with Kyle to say, hey, you should maybe consider filing. And Kyle’s, oh no, but we already, we’ve already, we’re gonna just, we’ve got everything, and everything’s half and whatever. And Giselle, Ashley and Karen were right, and Sutton are right, because it’s not everybody has this. They and everybody intends to be amicable. But when you start splitting up a 401, K, or you start realizing that you’re not going to have your kids every Thanksgiving, that’s when the conflict really can start to come out, and that’s why I just think it’s so good that we’re hearing this conversation so much more openly, and that these women are making sure their friends are going into these legal proceedings with open eyes. So I thought what Giselle, Ashley and Karen did was such a it was a really good thing for Stacy, and that’s what true friends sometimes need to do. And there’s so many unexpected feelings and situations when it comes to divorce, and everybody’s we’re gonna be amicable, but then they get surprised that families cut off the ex and start talking shit on that person, right? We assume, wait, Kathy Hilton saying to Kyle, you look like you could be Mo’s daughter, and because he’s aged and then shades him about his workout videos on Instagram.
Such good points. And I was thinking that too. It’s funny how in two different cities, it’s almost parallel conversations between like the housewives who have been through it, and know the reality of it, and the ones who are embarking on the long, arduous journey of divorce,
and yeah, and when I say this is not to say guys that like a divorce can’t be amicable throughout. And oftentimes you’ll see them start amicably, then there’s some conflict, when things, when there’s the mediation, whatever, and then still and end up in a good place. So there’s all different kinds of paths and journeys, but it is so important to just have your eyes open to the possibility.
So a cocktail shared a very interesting take that I copied and pasted. So shout out to them. And what she said was, in regards to Kyla Mauricio, she’s, I think she should divorce him and defied assets now, she said that Mauricio has a legal record documenting some lack of professional integrity, not just allegations, but public records filled with his text emails demonstrating a lack of regard for ethics, real estate laws. She says he screwed over the DOJ and paid a settlement. He’s fortunate they didn’t indict him for fraud. So we remember, he had those cases that he settled. He’s been lucky. And this person said, his downfall, it’s possible, because of his high profile, the judiciaries are a great case in point that they use these public figures and use them as an example. It also this person said it illustrates a lack of common sense when it comes to discretion. Just think if Erica had gotten a divorce before Tom got busted, she was sitting comfortably in Bel Air with millions so Kyle’s rolling the dice. And I have to tell you, it made me nervous reading this, because I think as like an ordinary person living my ordinary life. I see them with their multiple properties in Aspen and Beverly Hills and whatever, yeah, and Palm Springs and all that. And I think like they just have so much money that could never happen. But think back it’s
happened, and there’s more than one way to Slice the Pie, right? So just because most. Joe and Kyle, just because the agency is an international, multinational, very big business, it doesn’t mean that would have to be partially sold off, that there could be other ways that an equal or
like, I’m sure they could use something where, okay, he keeps it, but she starts getting a cut of commissions, which means, obviously, if his business goes down, if he’s not selling as much, her commissions would go down. But there are things like that they could do so that he wouldn’t have all of
the real estate and then, like an ongoing payment there. There would could be other ways that you could divide them equitably, I guess was the word I was, like, I don’t envy forensic like accountants and like lawyers that have to do all of this stuff. It seems so
much higher level than my brain would
be able to. I know it’s a lot of math, and I stopped taking math in college. I agree, and I’ve never needed it since. But you’re right. You now, like reading that, hearing you say what the cocktail said. You’re it did. It just gave me the chills.
Because I because Don’t you see them as too big for that to happen. But yet nobody really is.
You never know. And I think that might be also what Sutton was trying to gently nudge her, yeah. So think about like, maybe you should think about filing, who knows?
And it also, Kathy made it sound like she’s not convinced Kyle would make out as well as Kyle thinks she will. She’s, you brought a lot to your marriage and to his success. I don’t know the way she said it.
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Yeah, but that’s why she really is. She should have 50% just like when we getting back together. What’s the point of not getting divorced? But I couldn’t agree. I honestly it just puts them all in this weird limbo and and I would think I will be I’m sure,
yes, yes, it feels scary you hear your friends telling you their stories. And it also will lead to tension, because you’re thinking you’re putting it off because you don’t want to face the fact that this person may be unfair to you after spending 20 plus years with them and sharing children with them. So you put it off, which I can see why you would want to do that, because it’s upsetting enough that you’re separate, and now you’re going to have to sit there and watch them tell you that you’re not worth what you believe you’re worth. So you put it off, but then you’re leaving that tension there, and you’re not creating space, because once it’s settled right to your point, and once it’s mediated and it’s settled, all parties can truly move forward, and that even means being amicable, like even with Mauricio and Kyle, I know she wants to put on this face that like they’re having the best separation ever. There is the tension in the air that can only be relieved when she gets what’s deserved and it’s settled out, and now we can move forward and be the family that they want to be, which is fantastic, and everything like that, and sometimes do holidays together and CO parent, and all of those things that she says. But like that, part is settled. So the tension and the worry and the Will he screw me? Will he keep up the end of the bargain that like, whether it’s spoken or not, she’s pretty set on 5050, and I just wonder if he’s is set?
Yeah, I haven’t heard him say that. You definitely have not. You definitely have not. We had an email. I just wanted to read this again because it’s been a while. It’s obviously all alleged could be complete and utter nonsense. Here at cocktails and gossip, we like to talk nonsense all day long, but we also really like to put puzzles together with what we’re seeing and with the help of all of you guys. So let me read this email. The this West Coast housewife had no issue turning a blind eye to the many infidelities over the years with straw that broke the camel’s back was the discovery of the secret love child who’s certainly not a baby any longer. To make matters worse, even some estranged family members were aware and assumed she had to know when she actually didn’t. The family divide is stronger than ever. There will never be a divorce, though, because there was no prenup. The community property is so entwined in multinational business that the only way it could be untangled would be to sell the company or take it public. She’s getting whatever she wants. And then it says $3 signs to stay quote, unquote married, and it says, expect to see more private jets and travel a Malibu compound so they don’t have to be under the same roof. She has also agreed to not go public to protect both her children and their livelihoods.
I forgot the Malibu comp compounds. We haven’t heard about yet, if later in the season, a place in Malibu was purchased hot damn. Yeah. And then we also heard a while back that this separation because she found out he had fathered a child with another woman. People say it’s an adult child that has never been that has never been confirmed. One would imagine that in a situation where that is possible, a public figure would attempt to make a situation compensated for the adult child, so that they keep their mouth shut. So if every month you’re getting $20,000 and you’re a regular person, you’re less likely to talk to TMZ, I’m just saying. Right? Yeah. So listen, we don’t write these emails. There’s just a lot of smoke, a lot of talk of heartbreak, a lot of talk of a deep betrayal, and then silence. So could it be just your run of the mill infidelities? Sure, it could. Of course, back to PK and Dorit, which, by the way, when Erica points out that Kyle and zarit are going through the same thing, and we’re seeing it mirror, pretty much mirror image conversations,
and not down to them each getting apartments and like
both of their surprise and disappointments, which are like in real time and being worked through in their heads during their confessionals, realizing at the same time that their separation seemed permanent, but yet, PK and Mauricio are hanging out. They’re having fun, and it does piss me off. It really pissed me off when Kyle said she was texting PK funny memes, and I get it his quote, unquote, sobriety journey, but it’s if you were ever really friends with somebody and you’re going through the same thing. I can’t think of a better way to come back together right then. Now you’re both moms. You’re both experiencing this, and to top it off, your husbands are out together, dropping it like it’s hot in Miami with the summer house boys who are younger than their children, right? Because PK has older adult children, but yeah,
first of all, thanks, Erica, because we agree with you. We said this back on the pod. I was it earlier this year, or even last year, when the news came out about dorit and PK getting separated, but that dorit and Kyle were fighting because it’s still I couldn’t agree with you more, it still feels absolutely nuts to me that they’re fighting instead of supporting each other as they go through very similar situations.
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Him. It makes me wonder, because I want to talk about the fight that Kyle and dorit have at the beach, because I went back and re watched the scene, because I was just trying to think about what exactly was Kyle mad about, and I really couldn’t come up with anything except for the witch Richard sister rank, the Richard sister Bravo. Con thing, which was very clearly a joke. Much Ado About Nothing, yeah, and so I go back I watch Kyle’s arguments for while she is mad is it’s ridiculous. Doreen sharing her text. I think that is a legitimate reason for Kyle to be upset. But I felt like dorit had good reasoning for bringing up that text as well, and then Kyle said the other reason that she was mad is because dorit didn’t stand up for Teddy at bravocon. And so you did that poll this week, and I feel like the majority of cocktails seem to agree that Kyle’s fight is not or Kyle’s reasoning for being mad is not making any sense, which is making me wonder, are we in another not about the pasta moment where they’re actually fighting about something that just that’s been going on for a long time and that they are not sharing it on camera?
If we remember last season, Kyle and Mauricio were already separated, but that isn’t how it was filmed. He’s just moved out this season. I don’t think she was. I think she was planning on going with the we’re having a hard time thing, and Sutton and Garcelle very much, brought it to the forefront for forefront. But what my thinking is that I believe that Garcelle and Sutton didn’t know firsthand from Kyle. I think they knew based on the fact that we all knew, right, it was out there, and they live in that world, and they have mutuals and all of that. And so they brought it out. It isn’t as if they betrayed Kyle’s trust. I think that there was an off camera conversation between Kyle and dorit where Kyle let her know that they were separating, or separated, or more than the average person knew, right? And so when dorit asked her questions and went with the what’s going on. It was a direct betrayal, because I told you privately that we were separating. This was not my storyline for this season, and dorit brought it there. And I think the reason dorit is so mad is because when the season ended and dorit almost got the ax and wasn’t brought almost wasn’t brought back on housewives. I think that Kyle was the driving force behind that. I think zarita is mad that she tried to get her fired from housewives. And I think that Kyle is mad because she feels like I told you this privately, so you can’t sit here and speculate with Sutton and Garcelle, because I that I’m separated and I didn’t want to bring this up.
That’s what I think that is. I think that is a really good that that makes sense. That is a really good theory,
and real reason to be mad at somebody for both for both of them, Dorit is definitely pissed about her almost getting filed. Oh yeah, for sure. All know that it’s Kyle’s show
Yes. And I think part of it too must have been that everybody around Kyle was probably like, people aren’t this stupid Kyle, like, right? We you’ve got to talk about it with a little bit more substance, and oh, we’re just having trouble.
And the other thing is, when I say it’s Kyle’s show, Kyle and Garcelle clearly have never been allies, right? But Garcelle is well loved by production and the network, and it isn’t like Kyle can call all the shots, but the difference is that dorit was her friend and was her ally, so when she no longer was it put her in a position to be like she’s not on my team. Get rid of her. I want somebody who rides for me. Do you know what I’m saying? Like I already have to deal with Garcelle and Sutton, because even though she makes nice with Sutton and she’s okay with Garcelle, they are not her allies. They are not were never the force five. So once Dori crossed that line with her, she was out from having the security from Kyle. Yeah, three, which is why she’s got to shout the PK is an alcoholic every five minutes, because they were like, You better show up this season or you’re really out next season.
Whatever it is, she is spitting fire this season. So we got another email that we could read. I don’t know that we need to go. You guys can read it on Bravo and cocktails, but it’s questioning whether PK is sober or not, and I’m just not going to comment on whether he is or he’s not. I think the word sobriety means different things to different people. But it definitely does seem that he has made some big changes in his life for the better, and I think we should give him credit for that. I agree.
And this is where it’s hard listen all of the gossip is hard, but at the end of the day, you put yourself on a reality show, people send emails and we post them, and I agree with you, I’m not. Is that for me to say I don’t hang out with PK? I have no way to know whether or not he’s fully sober, Cali, sober,
whatever sober,
don’t I really don’t know. I think that he looks different, because, like many people, no shame in it. I’m not saying this in a shaming way. He very clearly is on one of the weight loss drugs, lost a lot of weight, and you could see it in the face, especially some people, more so than others. I think as you get older, it’s more noticeable in your face. So I think that attributes like, sorry, totally sober, they lose weight, because if you’re drinking every day of your life, there’s a lot of calories and sugar and what have you. So if you eliminate that, and you don’t replace it with donuts, you would naturally lose some weight. But he has lost a lot of weight, and he’s not mentioning any fitness journey.
Yeah, he has not, he is not on or around the vicinity of gym equipment, as Instagram famous by David, I love that, like we’ve said, and you’ve said, pretty much everyone celebrities or Jane and John down the street who look thinner than they have before, they’re most likely on some kind of GLP one medication. And I think should just say, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. The more we read about these drugs, people are saying they either stop drinking or they don’t drink as much as they did before Olympic I was talking to somebody else who was telling me that her sister’s endometriosis pain has gone because she’s been on a semaglutide people are able to go off blood pressure meds, you lose weight, your cholesterol, can go down all of these things that put you at risk for other diseases. And yeah, it’s I just Yeah, and I just, I don’t know why there is still such a negative stigma about it. I am not currently on something, but I would like to say I will, just like I talk about getting a facelift, I will take it in the future. Should I decide that I want to
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I have I know people in my life whose doctors have recommended it because their weight was causing other health issues, a variety for everyone’s different and since going on it, it has helped them with those issues, blood pressure, cholesterol, blood work, numbers, like all of those things. Yeah, drinking peace. I have even heard people who are smokers or vapors or whatever. It helps some people with that. Listen you watch, when you watch the commercials, and it’s take XYZ pill and you’ll stop having migraines. But you may have you may Shit, shit darts have restless leg syndrome that or they like, obviously, talk to your doctor. Guys, we I am not in a position more is I love Amanda, and she is an attorney on the internet. But we are not medical doctors. This is not us saying run out there to let the local med spa and inject it in your ass, or wherever you inject it, it’s Yeah, but talk to your doctor and whatever. And I’m not judging PK or anyone else who does it under the guidance of a doctor and whatever. Yeah, I agree. But yeah,
the other thing too with PK that occurred to me, because it does, his face really does look more sunken in it, but a lot of people in their daily drinkers will look a little swollen, and so we’re not dying, and they’ll look a little red. And like I said 20 minutes ago, not really. I think it does seem like he’s making some better when more healthier decisions, and we should give him credit for that. Yes, agree. Okay, so what else? Oh, back to the whole divorce topic. It definitely does seem Sutton gently talked to Kyle Kathy, I would say a little less gently is nudging her. It definitely seems like some of the people around Kyle are really trying to encourage her to file. And I think
they’re seeing what our cocktail or pointed out. And I really agreed with all those points, I have to be honest, having not been through divorce myself, I was oh, because they have so much money, they’re not going to get divorced. That makes sense if there’s if they’re gonna live separately and whatever. But now I’m looking at it like, huh, and it reminded me of Dolores his boyfriend, Paulie, and his wife, who he has been separated from for 14 years, but never divorced, and we always felt that, Oh, my God. So I don’t know if you ever heard this rumor, certainly I never repeated it. There is some really cockamamie rumor that him and his wife own whorehouses. Oh, my goodness. I don’t know what that even means. Guys, I do not believe that they live in New Jersey. That would be outed quite quickly. Come on, stop it. But I do believe that him and his wife own, whether it be properties together or his business together, and she’s taken care of monthly. She’s fine with the arrangement, and he’s fine with the arrangement because it allows him to keep all his monies where he wants them and just pay her monthly and whatever. So there are people who stay married for that reason. It does depending on and again, let’s say it’s rental properties, right? If you and I are married and we own a building and we’re both on the deed, and we’re both on the mortgage, and whatever it is, then I guess we’re okay. Is that necessarily nefarious? Is my point? It’s not,
but you don’t want to be having shared assets with an ex. But again, I think that Kyle, I just don’t think Kyle is there? I don’t think, I think she’s been holding on to some hope. I don’t think, I don’t think the word divorce was coming out, because I don’t think she was there. I think she was on board with a separation. But I think maybe in her head she felt,
maybe she felt like he would really fight to be with her, and she’s able to forgive whatever this heartbreak and betrayal she speaks of is, yeah, I would agree. I just want to say quickly, speaking of Dolores, ex David, the guy who’s the doctor, is dating a woman named Annie, and so a bunch of my jersey followers sent me her Instagram story. So this woman runs a Facebook Bergen County’s mom’s page. She has a small following on Instagram, where she tries to be an influencer. She posted a video of David announcing their relationship. She had a ring on, but it was not on her wedding hand, and it apparently was not an engagement announcement, but it was just an announcement. Just an announcement that this is my boyfriend, and she tagged Real Housewife on New Jersey. How awkward Do you think their Thanksgiving was? And then when I reposted it, she took the tag away.
I saw that pose, and I am just like, I’m like, I. Questioned it immediately, because if David married Dolores, yes, he ever gonna get married? Because Dolores, there is, you don’t get better than Dolores.
And this girl, she’s a pretty girl, she looks like Dolores. And I don’t know the girl, but she has all these public pages where she’s showing herself and tagging Rojas rights of New Jersey. So came on my radar, and people who went to high school with her say that she’s definitely always wanted to be on housewives. And listen, if you’re tagging it, remind me of Leslie bedor Shannon’s ex, David also David Shannon’s ex, David bador, his wife, would do similar, and was trying to get on Orange County, they weren’t interested. And another thing, okay? Another thing, a cocktail. Or sent me, you guys are on one this week.
I love it when your voice gets like, a little quieter. I’m like, What are we about to hear?
Okay? Because listen to this. Because this is okay. It’s like, upsetting, but it’s also makes a really good point that I didn’t think of so the cocktail or said watching this week’s Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, it dawns on me, you can’t tell me, Dorit would leave her children in that house with the nanny if she was worried about another home invasion. It just makes me further believe that it was set up by PK or someone trying to get after him, and she didn’t know, but has since found out, because this person says, because if it were me, I would never leave my kids there, and I probably would have been out of that house so quickly. I’m just sharing their point of view. Obviously, this is an exclusive or a tip or anything. I just that’s an interesting point of view.
I agree with the moving thing. I think I would have wanted to move too just because of what a traumatic situation and to have to live that house, day in, day out. I do not agree with that. And I don’t agree with that because I fully imagine they have put in all kinds of additional security measures, things like that, after the incident happened. So I think it’s an interesting perspective, but I don’t
agree with it. Yeah, I don’t know that. I do. I just thought it was interesting. Yeah. Okay, so again, this is another tangent, but it’s like all around divorce. Somebody spotted Jason Hoppe at La Guardia Airport in New York City. Yes, I gotta say looking like a zaddy. Okay, I know he’s a dick. And she, yeah, Eilish and and I never, I don’t know when he was on. And this is the thing about men. A lot of guys that are like, okay, looking get more handsome as they get older, and the gray hair comes in and their face ages like,
it’s, yeah, I agree. I always thought he was good looking, yeah. But more so in this picture, I think, I don’t know, he’s got great, like curly silver hair, which is, it is, it’s so unfair
that I also think, man, I and I also think, and this is, I’m just going to say, because you guys know me by now. I also think, as people get older, in general, when people because I think this is men and women, but when people keep themselves fit, a man who was cute at 40, right? Because he was about 40 when he was on the show. 10 years later, a lot of times they get the beer belly, or all the things that happen as men age, and so they lose that sex appeal. So when you see the picture of Jason and that he’s fit and well dressed, you’re like, oh, he takes good care of himself. Does that make sense? What I’m saying? Yeah, what I’m saying is it is easy. And anybody here who is older than 25 or 30 Okay, let’s say anyone here who’s older than 35 knows that as you get older, we I have to put more effort in to look good than I did when I was a 21 year old girl. When I was a 21 year old girl, if I woke up, first of all, I was I didn’t have children, I could wake up, I could go to the gym, I could cook for just myself and what I wanted, and there weren’t chicken nuggets lying around from my kids. And so I had no wrinkles, I had no gray hair. I could take a shower, wash, and go and look great. Now, at 40 and a couple years, I feel like, gotta put a little concealer under my eyes. You know what I’m you know what I’m saying?
Oh, I’m just listening because I’m nodding as you. And I’m not saying that.
I I’m not saying that there’s nothing wrong with aging you. And I joke about Botox and facelifts. And listen, I do those things. I haven’t done a faceless yet, but I also it’s not like. I don’t want to look like I’m 20, I but I want to age well, and I want to look like
you take care of yourself exactly. So I think that’s the thing,
maybe with men too, is it? You get my point, right?
I completely get your point. I also do think there is somewhat of an unfair thing that with men, where they do a lot of men do get more good looking as they get older, they lose the kind of baby face and they like, have a little bit more of
a their bone structure comes in,
yes, yeah. And it’s just, it’s unfair that a lot of men, you. Look even better with silver or gray hair, but it’s true. Okay, so we got to talk about New York, which it does seem, by the way, another little tangent, but it really does see that more people are getting into it because it’s on the same night as Beverly Hills. So for those of you guys who are just starting to watch it. I We door is always open, and we’re happy that you’re here. Because I still to me, it’s one of the shows that I always look forward to seeing every week. So in last week’s Roni Erin shares that she has had so she’s talking with Jenna. She shares that she had an abortion. Jenna shares that she did too. Then Aaron, in a very poignant scene, is sitting down with her dad and says, Hey, Dad, I have a spammer magazine interview coming out, and I want you to know that I had an abortion.
It’s honestly hard for me to even talk about this without it affected me a lot. I was crying the entire time. And to your point, I love, listen, I love somebody did a meme and said Salt Lake City is so silly. It’s almost a cartoon. And I love that. And that has your place. That has its place in my week in my life, I’m enjoying New York. I like, there have been a lot of moments that were deep, and I like it. And I think as a woman, unless you are abstinent, or wait until marriage to have sex, or I guess, listen, I’m a straight woman, so if you are a lesbian and have Okay, there are situations where this doesn’t apply, right? But the most common thread for straight women is that we worry for most of our adult lives about getting pregnant.
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It just hit me so hard, the absolute fear that most sexually active young women live with, the shame it’s the most relatable thing about being a woman if you’re married, the timing of pregnancies, like worrying, oh my god, I just got a promotion if I accidentally get pregnant this month, how am I going to travel? These aren’t things that men have to worry about. I’m not saying that men don’t have to factor in their family planning. Of course they do, but is a uniquely woman’s problem, right? She spends or like a you’re actually active until the day you go through menopause, you have to prevent getting pregnant, or you’d have a herd of kids, God willing, fertility issues, whatever,
right? Yeah. Or if you’re scared of getting you’re you’re scared of getting pregnant. Pregnant by somebody that who wouldn’t if you did get pregnant, that wouldn’t stick around like that is scary, too. Or the thought of, I am 23 years old, and I make $35,000 and live with two roommates. I don’t have a way to provide for a baby. So it is interesting that you put it that way, because you’re completely right that there is an active fear, yes, of getting pregnant, until you decide that you do want to get pregnant, and then that is one of the hardest things. I’ve mentioned this on the pod before, but have sat and cried with so many friends who so desperately did want to have a baby and were having a hard time with their fertility, and it’s just it’s something that is truly on your mind all the time, and
so many of my friends who had issues with fertility would be pissed. Rightfully. I lived with fear all through college, God forbid, my birth control didn’t work, and here I am wanting to have a child and I can’t. There’s
that too, that right? It is, and it is just something that is consistently on your mind as a woman, I do have to say, I think it was such a powerful scene, the courage that it takes to talk about this subject. It is such a subject that there’s a few subjects out there, pregnancy loss, abortion, that just aren’t spoken of very much. And when Erin said that she thinks about that abortion and what could have been every single day to be carrying something around like that with you, and then have the bravery to talk about it, especially in a day and a time when this subject is so controversial and so many laws are changing, I was really blown away by her bravery and
the fact that when she told her mother a year later, her mother shared that she had one and then when she told her dad, 18 years later, her dad said that a woman he was with had one, it was just like a collective sadness and shame and grief that and it
was, I think, especially poignant to knowing that Aaron lost her dad shortly, and he looked sick in that scene, didn’t he? He did, and I ain’t a lovely man. He seemed to be really the way that he was so devoted to her. I wonder if all of his kids, he raised her four
siblings by himself. I know because apparently the mother, whomever she is, took off. She wasn’t an active participant. So I think he was quite a man.
I wonder if she feels relief that she had that conversation with him. I think you have, I would and because he was so accepting, yeah, I
would agree. Wait, I just want to say something a little lighter, since that was heavy. Oh, yes. Aaron just posted. Kristen Cavallari said something about Scott Disick. I don’t know exactly what, cause I didn’t hear it. I think he slid into her DMs or whatever. So Erin’s, I just want to make a video justice for Scott, because I grew up with Scott Disick in Manhattan. Like we traveled in the same circles, and we were friends, and we were at a wedding last year. And I’m like, All roads lead to freaking Bravo. Like, we
grew up with Scott Disick, and then one of my fathers was like, yeah, they went to, I don’t want to say who, but somebody they knows, tennis club together. So they were, like, childhood friends and teenage friends. And probably, I’m probably hooked up because they’re both, yeah, that’s, I do know actually a little bit about what Kristen said, because I think Kristen has really been just letting it all hang out lately about her conspiracy theories, and she has talked very publicly about not liking the Kardashian family. And so she was actually calling out Scott because she was saying it was a very manipulative thing that, after it started to become clear that she was spouting whatever she thinks and that she had said some not so nice things about the Kardashians, that Scott reached out to her and say, Hey, we should really talk. We have so much in common being divorced parents and whatever. And then Aaron Kristen is having none of it because she’s that’s manipulative. They’re just trying to control me through Scott so that’s what the Oh situation is, oh which I’m loving. This with Kristen.
I enjoy Kristen. I always have. I love a proper bitch. She has Erin lychee energy. And Erin said that in the video, she was like, Listen, I don’t personally know Kristen Cavallari, but what I do know I like her. She seems cool. I bet I like if we hung out, I bet I’d like her like, she seems like a cool girl. But since I’m friends with Scott, I have to say he’s a nice guy. His parents, she says she’s he’s lost both his parents. It could be that he reached out to her because they’re both separated from their children’s parents, and they’re both famous, and they have stuff in common, and who knows, maybe he was shooting his shot, whatever. So what I just thought it was. I was like, Oh, my god,
yeah, that is funny. I hadn’t heard that she had done that, and that it’s such a small world
on housewives bro. Right on Watch What Happens Live. Brynn brings up that, first of all, she had a very sad moment, I think that was This Week where she discusses her sexual assault, which, like, poor Bryn, like she’s been through like, way too much, yeah, but she does say that she’s not like she her and Gideon aren’t currently making embryos. She mentions, with Kathy there, that he works for the agency, which I had posted to my stories, that he’s on there, his in the LA office too, like with MJ from Shaws. And by the way, guys, do we mention that Shaz keep going on Jeff Lewis, both Reza and MJ are saying that they’re got something they’re putting together, and they’re hopeful it will be green lit. I don’t know if it’s peacock. I don’t know if it’s Bravo, but I for one, give me MJ, give me Reza. I don’t love Gigi, but she’s good. I think we’re
done seeing them on screen. I agree with you. Yeah, I can see Gigi still being in there. Who knows? Yeah,
I think she’d still be in there. Yeah. I mean, maybe she’s mellowed out with motherhood age. She’s still married. She just got married. Yeah, that was weird too. She got married. Then she took those stories down. I actually haven’t looked into it, so she okay. So this is random. She married a guy. Can’t think of his name, good looking guy who she’s been friends with. That guy’s ex wife is married to Jesse James, who is Sandra Bullock’s ex who cheated on her with all the type two girls. So Jesse James and Gigi husband’s ex wife are married. They just announced their split. The day they announced their split, Gigi took all down all the wedding photos from her and the guy. Honestly, I don’t know if the two are connected. Seemed a little weird, huh? Yeah. So yeah, is she married? Is she not? I really, let’s face it, when your show isn’t filming for a few years, the money dries up. You need some engagement and some traction, and so who knows what’s what? And if she’s on a show, we’ll find out all about
it. Yeah, we definitely will. I did want to just say back to Bryn, because I think another really brave thing was very brave of her to share. I went and read a little bit more about what Brynn had to say about the sexual assault, and it’s heartbreaking. She said that after the she was assaulted, she took hours long showers because she felt like she could never get clean. She went to work the next day and put on a brave face, but she just felt numb for months and that she still needs a next day, but she sees this man in public, I guess he’s like a prominent person, and that she holds her shit together and politely leaves without making a scene, and I’m like, Wow, I can’t help but think about a month or so ago when we had Melissa from at your bitch therapist on and she called brynn’s flirtiness the sexy baby act, because she said she was probably trying to deflect or put a shield around herself because of past trauma, and I’m like, Whoa, Melissa just nailed it on the head.
Wow, yeah, oh my god. That is so awful.
It’s awful. So it makes me feel I’ve always been a Brynn fan, even with some of her kind of, some of the stuff going on this season that I haven’t been as crazy about, but I think it gives all of us a window into perhaps why Brynn is the way she is on the laid at her past has really affected her.
Fact that she has to see the guy, oh my god, talk about the chills.
I know. I know, awful, awful. Can you imagine this? No, I can’t not to have all these downer things, but this seems to have a good ending. We didn’t get to talk about Mary and her conversation with Robert. So very heartbreaking. No parent ever wants to see their child struggling. As parents, we really put every single thing we have into our children and to for her to have to hear him say he started experimenting with drugs at 16. I just can’t imagine. And I am very impressed that she actually let us in on this conversation. And it was good to see that Robert was open to getting help, because everybody in that situation around a loved one with an addiction feels completely helpless unless the person with the addiction wants and accepts getting
help and um, watch what happens live. Last night, Mary shared that Robert Jr is doing so good. She said, I am so proud of him. He did go to rehab. He stayed for a month. He completed it. He did an excellent job. He came out a new person. She shared that his wife also went to rehab, and she is still there. Mary also, interestingly, said she wasn’t nervous about telling Robert senior. She said I needed him because he has experienced drugs when he was younger, so he would be able to guide Robert better. Mary this season, it is like she just humanized herself. I think she made. A decision to be a real housewife and to show up and to share and of course, there are things that we don’t love. She has made comments that are bigoted, let’s face it, and we obviously don’t love that. But there are also things about her, like the woman is she is funny. She’s very funny, even, like her facial expressions, like she’s very clear, yeah, so that’s true. Good point. She’s a funny lady, and in a way that it’s this is the thing, it has to be in you. Like I always do, ask me anything. And a while back, not that long ago, the last day, if I remembered, it must have been yesterday, somebody asked me, they’re like, What advice would you give somebody joining the housewives to be a good housewife and for all of us to love them? And I said that, just like stars aren’t born, right? Just like stars aren’t made, there’s a star quality to somebody who becomes a star a housewife. You can’t teach somebody to be Mary Cosby. You can’t teach somebody to be Vicki gumbelson. You can’t teach somebody to be NeNe Leakes, the iconic housewives that we are addicted to watching because we don’t necessarily love them, right? People we want to tune in and watch have a very natural vulnerability that they’re not able to not be themselves. And then you have somebody like Meredith marks, who, in comparison, seems very inauthentic. And I have to be honest with you, I would never go on a housewife show. Number one, no one’s asking. But number two, I would, I know that I would be shielded. I wouldn’t be how I am here. I just don’t, I don’t have it in me to live my life that way on camera with my children and my husband and all of that. I would be. I would try my best to curate, and it would come across phony, and nobody would like it. Yeah,
yeah. You would grit your I would grit my teeth through Yeah, everything when I wouldn’t have a few too many drinks with my girlfriends, because I would be way too nervous about what I would say or
do. Imagine the anxiety. Oh,
I cannot, yeah, no, but this is why we love the housewives who do put it all out there for us, and what a transformation Mary has made this year in the eyes of everybody watching her, absolutely, yeah. It’s good to hear that Robert’s doing better. I hadn’t heard that his wife also went to rehab. But that’s important too, that they’re Yeah, doing better 100%
I’m sorry we guys that this was so heavy this week. But like, bravo. Was heavy this week. It is what
it is. Yeah,
guys, real. You hear
my head cold. By the way, I’m sorry if I sound more nasally than normal.
It’s, it adds a sexy edge to your voice. Oh yeah,
I had this on the Zoom too. Like it came, it went, and it’s back. It’s, you know what it is, because it freaking New York, it’s freezing, then it gets hot, then it gets freezing, like now, if it stays cold, hopefully, probably, this is probably just gonna stay now
until, oh, go call your husband. I’m sure he likes the sexy version of B. I love me. You flatter me. So next time, guys, bye