117. RHONJ: Is everybody toxic? Marge’s shady flowers; Alexis’ Johnny Aioli press tour continues; Our thoughts on the Vicki lawsuit

Amanda shares a little about her week getting married and about her “oops” that may force cosmetic surgery a little sooner than she thought. Real Housewives of New Jersey has everyone up in arms, and even Andy’s commenting about the show’s future on his radio show. Get out your tiny violins, Cocktailers, we discuss “Teresa’s Big Announcement” and we have thoughts about what Teresa might actually be stressed and upset about. Could it be that maybe everyone is right? Maybe both the ex and Luis are toxic? And we were fully entertained by Marge’s shady flowers…we fully expect that card to be on display in Andy’s clubhouse. We both enjoyed this week’s episode of OC…and give Gina props for choosing her children, even if we don’t believe that’s the full reason Travis is moving out. Alexis’ Johnny J press tour continues…but what in the name of Jesus’ jugs made her think her big revelation would actually make him look better? Vicki’s getting sued, and everyone else seems to be running with that news, but we have a little different outlook. 

Welcome to cocktails and gossip, the podcast where we drink cocktails, but you better believe we’re going to spill the tea. We chat reality TV celebrity blinds and the hottest tea from Bravo and cocktails.com and as always, it’s all alleged. And just for fun, we do not verify our blinds. I’m B
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What’s up, cocktailers, welcome back, miss. Married Amanda, congratulations.
Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay,
so of course I posted that you weren’t gonna be on and everyone’s I can’t believe you didn’t go to her wedding, and it is a family affair,
like nobody was invited. No one. It was literally, we just eloped with our four kids. So my now husband, he’s got two, I’ve got two. We just eloped with the four of us. We didn’t even have anybody do our ceremony. We did it all. Each kid had a role, because it wasn’t like you we were in Costa Rica. You can’t really, I guess you can. There’s, like, a lot of hoops you have to jump through. And so we it was more of a just a ceremonial thing. And, yeah, it was perfectly imperfect. We had plans to do, like, everything, including, like, a beautiful beach picnic dinner with a chef on the beach, and it started pouring, like hard, like jungle hard, because this is like very much where the jungle meets the beach. Where we went was very wild and pretty remote, but there was a break, so we were able to sneak out. We grabbed the photographer, obviously the family. We had two musicians literally trudging through puddles, so we were able to do the ceremony, take our pictures, and then the rain picked back up, so we went back in, changed into our I was like, let’s all just change our swimsuits. We don’t need to stay in this stuff. And then, yes, our amazing chef, Esteban, did our dinner inside this beautiful house that we rented, and so it was honestly in the musicians. We had two musicians in our house playing for us because they were supposed to be out on the beach. But it was great. It was a very action packed week after that full of activities that I knew that you would not approve of, because I have to say you might be a little bit right. I got into the last day, I got into a little surfing accident. So I got hit, like, really hard in the face by my surfboard, like that. This big wave, and it hit me in the face, and I had because I had my mouth open, so I literally bit through my lip.
Oh, my God.
Oh, Amanda, I sure fort not
allowed. Oh, God, you would not really matter if there was rappelling, there was ATV, there was waterfall climbing, lots of things that I feel would make you very nervous. But anyway, I got emergency medical attention, and it’s totally healing, great. I
went to an American doctor yesterday. I can’t even see it, guys, yeah, it was like, really, it was a very
clean cut, and it is healing. The doctor said, I’m good. They gave me a tetanus shot, sent me on my way. It was so funny, though, literally, I’m like, bleeding. My first thought was, oh shit, B is gonna be so mad at me say
I told you. I’m relieved. It’s not a hip, okay? Because I told you, we’re getting to the age where we have to be concerned
about our hip. I know. Yeah, I was also a little bit nervous because I couldn’t talk normal for a day because it was so swollen. But everything’s fine, see, like, Just live your life. Really can’t tell. No, it’s, I think, and I’m gonna go to a cosmetic surgeon in a month and just make sure, if I need it, have the scar fixed, whatever. It’s just like a guys, it looks like a paper cut on her lip, maybe a little bit wider, yeah, and I would imagine that they probably could laser if you wanted to, yeah, so we’re gonna I’m not, I’m really not even that. I’m not that worried about it, yeah, I just more was worried about getting the right kind of fix for it, because they wanted to give me stitches, and I said no, because I was like, I think we can hold it together well enough. Because it was such a clean cut, I’m like, we can help hold it well enough together with that strong bandage tape stuff. I just was like, I was just having no, I was not really excited about having anybody but a cosmetic surgeon really do maybe I’ll just get it all done when we just go down for our facelifts and just have them just do a total checkup. Anyway. Yeah, I pulled that skim back. Miss. I was so bummed, because when I was there, I thought I had all this content downloaded, and for some reason, stuff wasn’t working. But then, like, magically, when I got to the airport to fly home. It was like a pretty long flight back. I was able to get everything, and so I got all caught up on the all the shows, because I felt like I’ve been missing out, because it felt like just keeping up with discord and stuff. There had been so much going on, and it’s true, I feel like OC had jersey, obviously, had been really good. And then I was catching it up on all of the house waste stuff on Tuesday morning, and saw that Andy full on, said on his radio show that jersey might be all new faces. And
then yesterday, so then, of course, myself and every other Bravo fan account posted what he said. He’s trying to play it off like it was a flipping comment to the caller. Yeah, I don’t know. Did he spill the beans? We’re gonna discuss the episode My feeling and let my feelings change. Literally, day to day, Teresa and Louie clearly have a lot going on, and a big part of me says, I don’t see the network wanting to miss out on that, but I also know, based on people I’ve spoke with, that Bravo is really trying to go in a less toxic route. Yeah, not only people say, Oh, because of the lawsuits, is it only because of the lawsuits? Because a lot of them are going to be fruitless, right? These women signed on women men, they have contracts. They agree. It’s not our fault if whatever things happen in their lives, right? But I think the general vibe is that maybe for a while, and it’s not just Bravo, it’s all reality shows, right? I don’t really watch 90 day fiance, but I have Temptation Island reality shows profit on people’s fumbles. Yes, they profit on their successes, but they also profit on the mistakes they make. I do think that they want to go lighthearted, spin off. I do see that. I just don’t think that they’re ever going to completely cut out the people who bring the heat, which is Teresa, her life has always been incredibly up and down, and ultimately, people tune in for that, for the up for the down, for the up for the down.
I agree. I do think, though, that things went too far with jersey, which we’ve had a lot of conversations about that, I think people do want an escape, right? And they want to have something that, and it’s felt almost stressful to watch, but also, know some of the stuff that was going on behind the scenes at Jersey, and I think that’s and by the way, I did, was able to listen to last week’s pod while I was out of town. And I think you guys. Were super awesome. I loved real Moms. I’m very bummed that I didn’t get a chance to jump in the conversation, because I loved their input. But I think the reason that they said that they love Dubai is the reason that we like to buy is because it’s lighter shade and it’s that little more of that opportunity to escape, and so I could see Bravo, seeing that we’re all craving that a little bit now. We don’t have to go as far as to like John and Kate Plus eight like bad TLC shows, but it might be nice to go a little on the lighter side. I agree. And then I do think you guys were right by the way, picking up on your conversation from last week that there could be something more going on there, like, why? Really is Teresa’s stomach really in knots? I feel knowing that she’s had they even said that she’s been more stressed lately than she was even before she was going to prison. Do we
need to check even her attorney said that at that meeting, we
need to check on her between the stop the madness post that she put up last week and then sees weird Have you seen the weird clickbait posts that she’s been doing?
Oh yeah, Kim and zolziak does them. I know butter Riata usually
has been above them, and she’s done two in a row in the last week, I just am seriously wondering if she’s okay. I think
people say, How do you make money off them? I think it’s a matter of clicks. I think there’s probably, like, a flat rate she gets for posting it. Yeah, it’s certainly people do it as a money Yeah,
and she’s on vacation. It’s not cheap to go to Greece or wherever it is that she’s going. But there’s been talk about some spin offs for the shows I know you guys talked a little bit about that. We do have this email that I wanted to share. It says a Gorgas spin off is a real possibility. Existing talent, good, looking, fun, large family, like 12 episodes like the Valley for season one, Low risk, low cost. Melissa’s cousins were on Watch What Happens Live, and their wedding was filmed. I think it’s a good chance that it comes to fruition. Bravo wants to move away from the toxic shows. Look what just happened in Atlanta. This is a pivot to a more to be a bit more traditional and wholesome, and it says I would expect to see most of the cast working with the network, regardless of whether the show itself comes back. Think dolo Theresa and Marge First, I
would like to say how excited are we that Phaedra is back in filming.
I think I’ve been thinking about that, and I like that the network and the fans, I think, have been willing to forget she did a really shitty thing, but I think that she’s been on this redemption tour, and I just it’s hard to not to like her. So I am quite excited. I loved watching her on traders. I
hope that she gives us, and I understand housewives is a different platform, and it’s harder to give that fun energy. But I hope she gives us like 80% trader Phaedra, and then like 20% sassy Phaedra, because I think she really shines. She doesn’t need the backhanded Ness. Like light shade is one thing, but we all know she took it too far. I’m sure she knows she took it too far. Yeah, there are still fans who feel she shouldn’t be back. I disagree. I think that everyone deserves a second chance, and it’s years later. So back to the spin off. So the source who told me the show is done, when I say the show is done, Andy’s the one who said maybe all new faces, that is not what I was told the show is, we know it is done. I think it could mean that we keep a couple of people and Andy may have just made that comment in the heat of the moment. Do they do a pause and figure it out? Really cool. Could have been a
warning shot. Oh, you gotta hold your shit together. You gotta figure this out if you still want to be on this on TV with us.
We all love jersey. Jersey has always had very high ratings. None of us want it to be over. Last night, they did a Bravo pop up in Manhattan, and Danielle, Rachel Dolores, Margaret and the newbie, Kayla, who owns eat clean bro, who was very much just in the background this season. We’re all there. Melissa wasn’t. But I’m looking at the pictures and I’m like, is Bravo sending a message? Are they saying, Hey, look at this. The entire cast gets along. Now we can add Melissa to that, with the exception of Jen and Teresa, yeah. And I think if it was anyone but Teresa, it would be so easy to just cut the person. Like, how it would be easy to just cut Jen Aiden, not that she hasn’t given to the show, but we can move on. Yeah, for some reason it does seem like the network is hesitant, because clearly they could just cut Teresa, but I know other OGS have left. I think it would be weird for Jersey to proceed without her. I think that they would need and listen. As long as Margaret is, there’s always going to be some. Starring, but I do think that they would need to add a couple of people on to make it a little spicy. Yeah,
I were you surprised to see Danielle in those pictures? I
was I think that what we always say to be true is true. I think that maybe Bravo thought the audience reaction to Danielle was going to be worse. I think the whole Twitter drama and learning and seeing that these accounts have been out there saying what the next episode is going to show, and the only way they could know that is from Teresa and Jen’s cam and it all coming true. I think it took the heat off Danielle. I think that their original plan was for Danielle and Rachel to be the future and build around that. And I think they’re seeing with these appearances and things where that could go. I think it’s anybody’s game right now, and I think that’s why Teresa is doing the calling for peace and all of that. Maybe that’s her last ditch effort. Yeah,
she’s all clearly doing what they can. She went on Kelly Ripa, not just the TV show, but on her podcast as well. Teresa did. I think they are all trying to be like but look how much talk my appearance gets and how much additional press. We’ve said this so many times, but they would be wise to at least come to some sort of peace, at least the way they were before. Yeah,
but Melissa said, I’m Watch What Happens Live. That’s not happening. Teresa said on Kelly, rip his pod, that’s not happening.
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another thing that I learned this week, you and I were talking about making a Manhattan with Brooks and Gia and others, and we were saying that maybe Teresa’s pivot is becoming the LVP of that show. I was told that while Teresa has been filming the LVP Mama Bear person is Meredith, and that Meredith is filming in that capacity, the Making it in Manhattan show will at the end of Salt Lake City, like their last episode. I guess it’ll be on right after that. It’ll intro us. And I think there’s a future for that to become something bigger and different, too, with both generations. I think Bravo. Fans have said for a long time they love the kids, and I think it would be cool and appropriate to have candy pop up with Riley, to have Meredith be there with Brooks, and we know Brooks’s sister, Chloe. Not a cast member, but has been filming to have Teresa there with Gia. And if the show continues, then Melania is graduating college and or in the summer, is staying with Gia in the city. There are I think that’s a really good idea. I think it’s a good future. I think Bravo is going to skew younger. I think it’s smart to incorporate the people that we know and love, which are the housewives. Yeah,
I agree. I totally and I think regarding jersey, I believe I even said this a few weeks ago. Have I been liking everything about the season? No, am I ready to say goodbye to them all also? No, a pause could be just what they needed. Okay, we do have to talk about the episode, because it really was. It was wild. Teresa May hates this big I have this announcement. You’re gonna know what’s really been going on. I want you to come over for this meeting with my attorney for this what is going to be this huge revelation everybody she makes this seem like everyone’s gonna freak out when I tell you what’s really been going on, but I think I just felt like the little tiny violins playing in my mind when we actually saw it happen. Because
what stuck out to me the most forget about what Teresa said. What stuck out to me the most was when Dolores said, I want my friend back. Said to GIA, she is not herself. I have never seen her this stressed out. Like,
think that’s coded for I feel like Louie is really messing or, yeah, I think that’s her coded way of saying, this is actually, I’m worried about her because of Louie Dolores isn’t
angry at Marge about it. Listen, Marge spoke to the exes. Okay, yeah, Louis and Teresa investigated the entire class cast with Bo deetal. He admitted that himself. He doesn’t admit but Margaret is insistent that, and Jen Fessler says she saw the evidence now that Louie called Margaret’s son at work, Jen and Teresa befriended marge’s ex friend Laura, they are all guilty of doing what Marge did. And every woman at that table said, we’ve all done that. Everyone’s done this to each other. They all did it an effort to expose each other backhanded things. It wasn’t a revelation. She also produced no proof that Marge did anything but talk to her. She was invited to the deposit deposition, but she didn’t go, which means she wasn’t mandated to go, because it was up to her if she wanted to share if Marge was a friend of Teresa’s, she would have gone to say, Yes, this ex has contacted me and asked me and blah, blah, blah, blah, but she didn’t, because Marge is allowed to speak to whomever she wants to, as is the ex. The EX is allowed to befriend somebody on the chaos. There’s no law precluding her from that. The real issue is the fact that Teresa is making this about Margaret. It’s not about Margaret. It’s about Louis’ ex who is trying to get a restraining order. It’s about Louis’ ex asserting that he hired two people to pose as therapy patients when in fact they were working for him and bodied to get dirt or whatever on his ex. If I were Teresa, I would wonder why my husband is so concerned about his ex fiance. Is that what’s making her sick to her stomach? Is she wondering why? Like, I understand, listen, if my ex is x, if my fiance or husband, the ex is so crazy, she gets a restraining order. That can happen, of course, you fight it. You don’t want on record that you have that. If you haven’t done it, of course you fight it. However, she’s evidence that these people were hired by him. So if I’m Teresa, I’m like, wait a minute, I understand your ex is crazy, but like, why did you then hire people to go to her therapy practice? And I’m sure she did say that, and I’m sure his explanation was because I wanted to prove it’s her, not me, and it’s no that is not how law abiding up and up, yeah, citizens behave.
No, it’s definitely not. I think this could be a situation where maybe everybody is right. Maybe both Louis and Vanessa are right, that they’re both crazy, because Vanessa did some stuff that raised my eyebrows. Remember, 100% right in her wedding dress.
And I know it, and I know it to be true, that she has reached out to accounts I personally won’t engage. I know it to be true that she has sent people things. I got that warrior video, listen, that was emailed to me. It was not emailed to me from Margaret. I don’t know who sent it. I have absolutely no idea how it got to me. I posted it as we found out more about the situation, I made the decision to not post anything like that and whatever, just because I agree she is not exactly removing herself from it on podcast, talking not naming him, but obviously talking about him. She’s trying to get his business out there so she’s not an innocent party in it. They’re both wrong. From what I’ve seen.
I agree. I think they met. Maybe they were both toxic and sometimes. Two
wrong.
They flock together exactly. I did think it was strange, though, in that whole conversation that Theresa made no mention of the fact that Vanessa her lawsuit. The whole lawsuit was about the fact that bodied sent people to her practice. Don’t you think it’s strange that she didn’t bring that up,
because somehow she wants to make this all about Margaret. And nobody is buying it, because even Margaret speaking to the ex, I understand being married, mad about that, yeah, but how does that affect Louie’s legal issue? It doesn’t. The EX is bringing all these receipts, whatever she gave to Margaret, she’s bringing to the court. The other reality is Jackie was real quiet at that table. My understanding is at the finale, we find out that Jackie initiated the talks with this x, that Jackie had the X to the house. Now Jackie in every right because Theresa tried to expose Evan cheating, which Jackie claims isn’t true. But what I understand is that even when this is exposed, Theresa’s not mad at Jackie. I guess she says, Oh, I did the thing about Evan, so she did that to me. So it’s not Jackie’s fault, it’s not Louie’s fault. It can only be Margaret’s fault. Why? Because Margaret just puts it in your face and she’s not going to back down. And, yeah, she’s not intimidated.
Oh, my God, the flowers. It was perhaps it goes up there in the Hall of Fame, to be Hall of Fame. Yeah, that card, I’m sure, is gonna go into Yeti’s clubhouse. It was the move, and it said Dear, and it was to Teresa and the lawyer, dear Teresa and Jim. Congratulations. What was it on the loss of your
dignity? The loss of
your dignity? Oh, so funny.
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and then we have people DMing me who went on her attorney’s website when Margaret also was like my attorneys on Park Avenue, her attorney. So Amanda is not from the East Coast. Atlantic City is like Vegas, but like, nowhere near as high end. Yeah. So there’s like a strip where it’s like beautiful, fancy hotels, and then everything around it is, like, nitty gritty, yeah? So there’s like, porn shops and like meth clinics, and so she I don’t have any idea if his law office is actually there, but her saying that was hysterical. Of course, fans of the show went to his website, Amanda, as somebody who creates websites. It was basically like a stock website with nothing filled in.
Oh, funny, yeah, I’m very like, first of all,
what attorney is going to want to the house, he looked like he was from central casting for Goodfellas. What is going on? What is going
on. But why would she think that was going to help anything? I don’t know. I just like, I feel like it
was all she had. It was all she built. The whole. Season, wait until I expose it. So then she had to expose something. Maybe she was hoping that something that they submitted, who knows? Maybe they tried to file something on Margaret, and ultimately it didn’t go through. So they were just left with what they gave us was basically everything that Teresa has accused Margaret of being told by James Leonard,
i Something I’ve just seen in life, in general, being in my 40s, but also particularly on housewives, that so much of the drama in life is actually transference of anger or deflection. And I think that you were hinting at this earlier, I think that’s what’s happening with Teresa. I think that with her having been, you know, away, quote, unquote, sent away. I think feeling safe for her has got to be very because, all you know, to have your freedom taken away. That is got to be extremely traumatic, right? And I think that she is perhaps deflecting all this anger at Marge and Joe and Melissa, more specifically, Marge, because she doesn’t want to come to the grips with the fact that the call is actually coming from inside the house. Louis is the problem. And
the reason why she is picking Margaret, and the reason why she went after the food is because, remember, at the reunion, she told Melissa, it’s the last time I’ll see you again. So she really wants to give them no air time at all. She doesn’t want any opportunity for them to, quote, unquote, use her as a storyline. So that is why it’s become I just am interested to see in the preview for the episode, we see Dolores say, oh, Jackie must be shitting her pants, because obviously at that point, Margaret has said to her, Hey, listen. Because Margaret said last episode, Jackie wants to go to this meeting, I am going to let them know Jackie’s role in this. So I think Margaret must have told everyone she speaks to. By the way, I have proof that the only reason I spoke to the ex is because Jackie was talking to her. We were friends at the time, so I key keyed the same way that Jen and Teresa keyed with the ex friend Laura, right? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander? I just don’t understand how Teresa, this is my thing at the table. How does Teresa not turn on Jackie? She doesn’t because she’s sitting there and the only other person she has is Jen, yeah, so she had to ride the wave with Jackie.
Yeah. All right. Again, if we never see Jackie on TV. Like I said, I used to like her. Don’t love her anymore. It just feels
she’s not interesting enough to dislike this. I don’t mean to be mean. I don’t Okay. I The
lack of genuineness to me. I just that is where we that is when we lose as fan. That is when we lose interest in housewives, is when there is just such it is just straight up thirst without admitting
Jackie’s case. Though, I think in Jackson, Jackie’s case, the thing about it is, and while we liked her, I never really found her extremely interesting. But the thing that she did have was strong convictions, and presented herself as a very level headed, intelligent woman who stuck by what she believed in, and then to see her do this, it’s a total turncoat. Does not align with who she was, on top of her not being incredibly interesting. It just it’s game over. Even if the show came back, they would bring somebody else on, as they would bring Lena the hairdresser, on before they bore Jackie. Jackie is
done. Andy has hinted at it. The wives, many of them, have actually confirmed we saw at the beginning of the season, the aftermath of the sit down with Dolores, sitting at the table looking like she’s literally been through a very traumatic situation, like she’s in shock. Next week is apparently going to be explosive, but, like, actually explosive, like with broken glass. Yeah, we’ll see if it’s it is Jackie being exposed. I think that will be interesting. I would love to see how Melissa and Teresa start screaming at each other because they’ve really, barely, they haven’t interacted, not face to not yet spoken directly to each other. So that will be interesting. I think hearing that a picture gets thrown, seeing how that all happens, it’ll be good.
So I saw on Twitter, because I go on Twitter and I need to stay off, because it is wild over there. But some of the tree stand accounts are claiming that they that she threw a picture and. Now they’re claiming that Bravo isn’t showing that. I don’t know how they know that. I guess we’re going to find out if she did throw it, and they aren’t airing it. I do believe that they’re trying to protect Danielle, which means maybe there’s a future for her. We don’t know that she threw the picture, and we don’t know what that looks like, because initially we heard that Jen was hit in the face with a cup. And while I’m the first one to say, I do think that it was aggressive. It was not a glass it was not what it originally was said to be, right? It was a plastic paper or whatever. I just listen, Andy has said, period blank, we’re not going forward with this, and they’re not gonna have five spin offs. It’s just not gonna happen. No, it’s not. If they’re not drawing in all together, they’re not gonna draw it in just them. Yeah, I
agree. Would you like to chat? OC, I thought this was quite a good episode, too. Yes, I did as well. Let’s start with Gina and Travis. Tell me what you’re thinking. He moves out.
I find it okay. I find it very confusing, right? I find it confusing because we’re not getting what’s really happening. We put a puzzle together, if you guys have listened the last couple of weeks, the puzzle it involves the ex wife. It involves the courts, and we also heard Gina say. It also involves her children, her feeling like she’s progressing financially. She has stability, she’s able to provide, but Travis isn’t, I guess, reading between the lines. Travis is having to spend a lot of money dealing with his ex in court. My and they’re still together, and my thing is, like reading between the lines, not being told the whole truth. What have you? Gina is in a position where Travis was there for her. Now she’s really moving forward. She has this career, she’s earning on housewives, her lifestyle she’s able to provide for her kids. She decides not to live with him. She doesn’t say it’s because of the court. We’re assuming that, but let’s say it’s her decision. At what point does she break up with him because she doesn’t want him pulling her down? And I have people in my DM saying, but he was there for her. She has three kids who have to come first. So if this ex wife is so difficult, yeah, at what she says, and it’s making their lives so difficult that they can’t live together, be it legally, be it a choice, be it that she wants her kids to have their own bedroom, and he can’t afford to make that happen with her. At what point does a woman walk away for the betterment of is love enough?
If there is such a large obstacle where the person is possibly legally making your life harder. I thought actually what she said about her kids and doing the best for her trying to do the best for her kids, and that it feels like now that she finally has little extra money to do things, it feels wrong if she were to do it just for her children and not for his. And I understood that, because I think I have to really applaud, and I felt like that was some of the first real truth that we’ve heard about, and that’s not an easy thing to say. So
I was thinking, maybe that’s why it’s been so whatever, because obviously she loves these kids, but at the same time, yeah, and
I think that I really want to applaud Gina for really understanding her situation and not being in law land about I can I don’t have to work, or I can afford a $20,000 rent. I really applaud her for being very realistic and for taking her and her own kids future in her hands and really working for that, and I very much respect that, and that’s where this whole fight with her and Jen, I actually I felt before I heard you actually say it. I can’t remember if it was the bonus pod or the regular one, but I was watching that and thinking if Jen just can’t gun her. And said, I am so sorry, Gina, I had no idea that he wasn’t going to pay rent. It was in our he’s supposed to legally and all of that that would have gone a long way. The
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I thought it was actually really big of Gina to covid that way? Yeah, because I honestly, I very much sided with Gina on this one, because I think again, Jen is very much in la la land, and I very much understand Jen’s plight, because I actually have had friends who have gone through divorces and never had a credit card in their own name, didn’t have access to bank accounts, didn’t work, did it when they found themselves in dropped into the real world in their 40s. So I understand what Jen is going through, but at the same time, at Jen is a person and a human, and she should have known to give Gina that call and just say I am very sorry that I put you in this situation. I think that would have gone so far in Gina’s mind.
I agree. I agree. I don’t see how Gina and Travis. I know they’re still together. I don’t see how they make it long term. I just don’t, because him and the wife have been separated for many years, and this is still going on. They’re fully not divorced. Once that settles, he’s going to have to recoup and rebuild, and he doesn’t seem to have a hugely successful career, yeah, and unfortunately, I think it’s just a reality that Gina can going not unfortunately, that Gina is going to continue to make more money, that’s wonderful, but at some point it drags you down. Yeah, I
agree, yeah, but I don’t think, I
don’t think she’s looking to be the breadwinner and support six kids instead of her three. I’ll just leave it there. And it doesn’t mean she doesn’t love Travis, and it doesn’t mean she doesn’t love his children, and it doesn’t mean she doesn’t hope it would work out, but what we want and what is are different things. Gina is young and she’s beautiful and she’s got a nice personality, and she’s not going to have trouble meeting someone, and I think she will, and I think that they’ll split.
I agree. I’m with you on that. So I mentioned yesterday I was reading and catching up on Bravo news. I read that Alexis is continuing her Johnny aioli press tour that she went on. I and I apologize, because I love to, I always want to credit people. I want to say it was on behind the velvet rope, that podcast, and she does this whole interview saying that, no, John is not into the spotlight. He actually offered me a full salary of what I would have been paid on the housewives to not join the show. Okay, first
of all, this is not the flex that she thinks. It is no if this is first of all, if this is true, it’s extremely controlling. But also, if this is true, she is so obsessed with this ioli man that she would have taken it right, because she, like, clearly, just wants to be with him. So she’s saying she chose the show over him. I What does John do? I Okay. I never really paid much attention. People keep asking. I was under the impression he was retired. I don’t know, from what is he retired? I
don’t know. I guess I need to do a little mini dive confusing,
because remember, Vicky had that loser boyfriend, Steve, who was a retired police officer. Shout out to police officers. They’re wonderful. But in this case, the guy was a loser and used her. And for some reason, that might be why I think Johnny J doesn’t wake up and go to work. So he also has a pricey rental, and he’s got a boat. So while I don’t think he’s some sort of billionaire too, you know, I think he’s got, I think he’s got a few bucks. What a few bucks means, oh, he’s not poor. He can take you on a nice vacation. You can go out to nice dinners. Do you know Shannon bador? This isn’t he? I haven’t even posted this. Shannon badours, father, who’s still very much alive, is worth $80 million well, I know we knew that she came from money. I believe it’s like real estate stuff, $80 million which begs the question, not that, as an adult, your father should pay for your facelift, but she definitely is a trust fund. So anyway, is odd, yeah, if she doesn’t. So I asked the question, okay, he’s worth 80 million, but her parents are divorced. Is he remarried to somebody who couldn’t? Inherit it. And they said, No, like the money will be Shannon’s, and I believe she has a sibling, unless he gives it to charity or something wacky. But she’s got a good relationship with her dad. There’s no reason to think it wouldn’t go to her if he doesn’t have a spouse. Shannon’s got real money or her family 80 million. That’s debro money once it’s inherited.
Yeah, I need to look and see what’s going on with that website, because I want to see if there’s any I need to get caught up. I’m a Patreon member for Bravo doc, and I’m sure they’ve been covering it, because I need to see the details of that whole John suing her thing. Because not again, like a jerk, though, but
like now seeing what kind of guy John is? Could he have been with Shannon because she’s so wealthy? Quite
possibly. Regardless, Shannon did very well in her divorce. How old
is Alexis? How old is Alexis? Is Alexis like 4852 How old is she? She has a young energy, more
mid 40s. Let’s google it.
That’s just gonna say not that. Listen,
I want this to say this younger. Oh, we had a whole I had a bunch of posts on that because we put that question out a couple weeks ago, and a lot of our OC locals were like, Oh, my God, yes, it’s 60 year old. Men, 40 year old. Here’s the thing. I want to say this very clearly, Shannon is a beautiful woman. Alexis is an attractive woman. I don’t think that if you look at their faces, you’re like, oh, Alexis is so much younger. But Alexis, and because her personality is so she’s 40, I said, develop. Yeah, she has Arrested Development. She’s very like, childlike, yeah. I 47 and Shannon is 60, so she’s significantly younger. I would imagine Johnny j is about 60. I think that Johnny J, I don’t think he’s with her to get it Shannon. I think he certainly likes being on the show, but I think he would be with her regardless, because I think she’s like a sexy 47 year old and he’s a not sexy 60 year old.
Yeah, I think you’re on to something there with champ. But I do think that men in their 60s, because I think he’s 61 or 62 do not you don’t keep dating somebody because of their money. I don’t so I do think they I think they had something real. I think that they are both Shannon. I don’t think anymore is, but Shannon and John were both heavy drinkers and would fight big time when they were drunk. And I think that is ultimately why they broke up. I don’t think Shannon probably sees it that way, because I don’t think Shannon has fully come to terms with her drinking, but that’s my estimation.
Yeah, you know what I’m wondering. I don’t remember, because listen, all the housewives in the OC have a cocktail, right? But I don’t remember Alexis doesn’t stick out to me as somebody who, like, like, Tamara and Vicky and Chad would get after it. I don’t remember that with I don’t remember, yeah, I
remember seeing her even tipsy, really, yeah? So I agree, yeah. Maybe
it works better that way, because she’s like, not getting drunk and fighting with John whatever. I just think, I think the whole idea that Alexis is trying to make it like, ahead of the show airing, she very much was like, I’m on the show, but I’m not pushing this Johnny J thing, like, we just happened to be dating. Yeah, you’re with a new group of women, because although she was friendly with some of them. She didn’t hang out with them. And you’re just out of the gate talking about your sex life. That’s obvious you’re trying to and I find it funny, because I think the energy I would expect to come from Alexis as a 47 year old dating a 60 year old whose ex is 60, have to trap if anything, I find myself seeing Alexis as very intimidated by Shannon. I agree.
I don’t think, in a debate, that Alexis could hold her own, and I think Alexis knows that I don’t find her to be particularly intelligent. I think Shannon is pretty smart, but
I don’t even mean that. Obviously I agree with that, but what I mean is intimidated by her relationship with John. Oh, like it bothers her that they were to get because, let’s face it, Alexis can say what she wants, but John was with Shannon for a number of years. And to your point, you don’t stay with somebody for a number of years just because someday down the line, their father might die and you might inherit money. So obviously, there was a relationship there, and that bothers Alexis,
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Katie, the new housewife. We are starting to get to know her a little bit better. She seems to have a not so great history already with Heather, so that, I think is going to be a bit of a source of drama. Sutton came and did a cameo, which I loved. I just, I love Sutton. It’s, I’m always so happy. I she’s just, she’s definitely up there for me with one of the favorite housewives. So very interesting. And
I thought it’s funny, because I know first season when Sutton came on the scene, I was like, No. And by the middle of the season, I was like, I love this wacko.
I think I like her for some of the same reasons. I liked, I always liked Shannon. She’s a little she’s very quirky. And I think I enjoy Sutton’s wits, I think she is not. She’s flawed. Just like all the other housewives, she just, she it’s just, it was hap I was happy to see her on the screen. Funny enough that her ex husband, Sutton’s ex husband, that Gina’s ex husband, okay?
And I would just like to point out that I love that they introed it as if they knew each other that way. That would be as if Jeff Bezos knows me because I’m an Amazon affiliate. Okay, let’s back it all the way up. They know each other through housewives, and coincidentally, Gina’s husband was a mid level executive at the company that Sutton’s house. Like they must have 1000s of employees. Yes,
it’s a huge company. Yeah, I forget the name of it. I found
it very funny that they were like, and it’s so funny, our husbands worked. You did not work together. Stop it. They did not work together.
I did think it was cool though, that Sutton did knew Gina and was referring people to her for real estate. I love seeing women help, giving other women help, instead of looking at everybody as competition, something
that I want to say as well about housewives that so much right, that women from other cities click with other women, and they very much support. They do appearances together. They do podcasts together. They refer for business. And this is a great example, but that happens all the time, and it just goes to show that being on the same cash should have to fight and be catty and everything else, because by and large, women from other cities fully support each other.
Most of them, yes. Some are known for not for being rude, but mostly, yes, I have to go back. And I ran out of time because I was looking to try to figure out which episode it was. I want to say it was right around November. So I think it was right around bravocon time that we did a little mini dive into Katie because I don’t know if you noticed this, she glazed over her family situation a little bit, but her oldest daughter lives with her and her new husband and the child that they Have together. She has another son or no, another daughter, I believe, who another child who lives in Atlanta, full time with her ex and I went through in that episode just a little bit more detail, because I. It was messy. They had there was a lot of mess, and there was a lot of back and forth. They had their own court filings. We went into some of that. I’ve got to figure out which episode we’ll link it this week. Yeah,
we definitely will link that, because this was before we knew Katie. It was just so she
definitely closed over it a bit and really mostly focused on the new the new that her new husband, and that’s their new family scenario.
And if she last passed the first season, it will come out, and she will be encouraged by production to bring it out, because we already know that this season, they found her boring, which is why we’re going to see her picking a fight. I know we’re watching her talk about Heather. I have a post that I’ll repost, that she goes after Gina because she feels like she can take her on, whereas probably Heather, maybe Heather swats her away, and then she goes after Gina. I guess that remains to be seen as it plays out. Because this is just intel we got from filming from our lovely OC sources. We love you, not on the cast that people who live there. But yeah, I think that I remember, and I don’t remember all the details. It was a messy divorce with her first husband. There’s a reason why some children live with her, some don’t. And should she remain on the show? They’re gonna get into that meat and potatoes. There’ll be no way for her not to.
Yes, I totally agree quickly,
this Vicki lawsuit. Yeah, okay, I didn’t even repost this. Do you want to give the little summary? I tried to find it, and so you give a little summary? Yes,
Vicky, essentially, we know that guys that she runs an insurance company, but it’s a lot of life insurance and some investment kind of things she is being sued for elder abuse. Then let me read just a couple of details. This woman’s name is Diane field there, and Diane is suing Vicky and a company, a life insurance company. The woman is saying that she and her husband George, invested 90% of their joint network in stocks and mutual funds with a firm in Orange County. They were able to, apparently, work live off their work, salaries and pensions, and did not need to take money out of those accounts. But in 2002 George, who is 85 was injured in a bike accident. Diane took over control of the finances. They had about $6 million the money was held in an investment account, and Diane met with Vicky. Vicky suggested that they put her their money into something, an annuity, that would help lower her income, quote, unquote, lower her income taxes. So she put it into this company that is also being sued, indexed annuity. And Diane is saying this had her enter into harmful deals. Vicki’s lawyer came out and said the claims against Vicki are false. Vicki has always acted professionally and with integrity. She’s never engaged in any fraudulent conduct, nor misrepresented any terms of any policy. She vehemently denies these false allegation. The suit was dismissed months later, but I guess the loss, wait, no, the lawsuit, no, the lawsuit by Diane does remain active.
I’m just gonna say the reason I didn’t even repost this is because number one, Vicki gunvalson has had a successful business for 30 years, 20 years, many years, she’s been a public figure for almost 20 years. We have never heard of any fraudulent situation. Absolutely, if there was, we would have I don’t think Vicky’s gonna wake up at a 60 year old as a 60 year old woman and say, I’m going to start robbing my clients. I’m no financial or investment Wiz. I do know at the base that when you invest money, some products, some vehicles, are safer than others, some are more risky. We all know that. It sounds to me like maybe this woman didn’t do her homework went along with something, perhaps her husband, who passed away, was more knowledgeable. Whatever the case may be, it just sounds to me like she put something in a annuity or plan that was not a also remember mortgage rates, the same way that mortgage rates were really low. So we’re like, yeah, fixed rates, right where now, with mortgage rates being higher, you can get like a money market or a safe account, whatever, at 7% that was not happening a few years ago. So people were having to put their monies into vehicles that were more risky in order to try to make. Interest, sounds to me like that’s what she did. There’s nothing illegal. I’m going to go ahead and guess that she signed off on it and or her husband did, and that’s what it is.
While I have no knowledge of the particular annuity that they’re talking about, annuities actually tend to be the safest investment. It’s not like putting your money in the stock market, which technically, as I always tell my kids, because my kids now are doing some little stock investing on their little green light app, it could technically go to zero when you invest money. If the company goes bankrupt, your money can go to zero. Annuities are generally not the same. So I’m wondering if perhaps ladies mad that she didn’t invest it in the stock market and make what the S, p5 100 would have made, which had been much bigger in terms of return, versus an annuity, which is, you know, a fixed
I too have invested in safe things, and then seeing what the rates were, yeah, and regretted it. There’s nobody to sue, so
we don’t know that’s what the issue is. We don’t really know exactly what the details are, but I’m with you on this. I think Vicky is and we do know too guys that like when there are people who represent or suggest certain funds that they often will get some kind of payment for that. We know that and they unless they’re working as a fiduciary, which is different than a just general financial planner. Fiduciaries have don’t they don’t make money based on where you put your money, but financial planners often do. But anybody who takes a little time to do some research into this stuff should know the difference. So again, I’m with you on that.
I can list at least 10 off the top of my head criticisms of Vicki gumbleson How she conducts her business would not be one of them. I would personally feel totally comfortable investing life insurance, whatever, with her, because I think that she is smart and I think that she does a good job. If she didn’t, she wouldn’t be as successful and in business for as long. And it annoyed me seeing the story go around, because anybody can sue anybody for anything? Yep. And in this case, it’s a woman who we know takes, we all take pride in our business, but who we know. Every year, when she was on the show, she was like, top broker, top this, top that you don’t get that because you’re scamming people. You get that because of hard work. Yeah. And it’s bullshit that somebody can just sue you. And the narrative becomes she’s crooked, because there are people who just run around with that narrative now. And I would like to say over here at cocktails and gossip, Bravo and cocktails, we are not on that train. We believe Vicki is guilty of a lot of things, but she’s a fantastic businesswoman from everything we’ve ever known.
Yeah, you don’t, yeah, you don’t have that long of a career. 100% I just I don’t believe it either.
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